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Grumbling about coaches
« on: November 06, 2011, 01:26:55 pm »
I constantly read on these boards where people criticize and gripe about coaches.   I for one am not one to gripe, but i'm frankly tired of people constantly blaming the coaches for every loss.  Have any of you ever really looked at what the coaches are working with?  Really take a close look, most of the time you will see that teams who don't win often most of the time don't have much if any talent. (no one or two decent playecrs isn't having talent)  A coach can only do so much with what they have to work with.  Most all coaches i've been around work extremely hard to prepare their teams and give them the best opportunity to succeed.  It's not an easy profession with constant complaints about playing time, lack of resources, lack of support, low pay (at your smaller schools).  I think people forget that coaches are human and like all of us make mistakes, but at the sametime do their job to the best of their ability.  Also, remember they are coaching KIDS, not college or pro athletes, a lot of which are more worried about a lot of other things besides sports.  So before you get on here pointing fingers or gossiping in your town really take a second to look at the situation instead of looking for a scapegoat for why your team did not win.

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2011, 07:48:22 am »
AMEN Brother.

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2011, 10:59:45 am »
I constantly read on these boards where people criticize and gripe about coaches.   I for one am not one to gripe, but i'm frankly tired of people constantly blaming the coaches for every loss.  Have any of you ever really looked at what the coaches are working with?  Really take a close look, most of the time you will see that teams who don't win often most of the time don't have much if any talent. (no one or two decent playecrs isn't having talent)  A coach can only do so much with what they have to work with.  Most all coaches i've been around work extremely hard to prepare their teams and give them the best opportunity to succeed.  It's not an easy profession with constant complaints about playing time, lack of resources, lack of support, low pay (at your smaller schools).  I think people forget that coaches are human and like all of us make mistakes, but at the sametime do their job to the best of their ability.  Also, remember they are coaching KIDS, not college or pro athletes, a lot of which are more worried about a lot of other things besides sports.  So before you get on here pointing fingers or gossiping in your town really take a second to look at the situation instead of looking for a scapegoat for why your team did not win.

Great post!

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2011, 11:56:34 am »
+1, great post!

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2011, 12:28:52 pm »
+1 for sure.....For some reason every person thinks that they can be a coach.....if you are going to criticize a coach try walking a mile in their shoes first.

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2011, 11:59:42 am »
Thank you, Brock.  Well said!

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2011, 09:19:13 pm »
Coaching is the easiest job on the planet because it's the job that everyone on the planet knows how to do.  Coaching is the hardest job on the planet because it's the job that everyone on the planet knows how to do.

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2012, 10:55:35 am »
IT comes with the any public job, folks fuss and complain bout the Preacher, the Coach, the Teacher the Judge and the elected officals and don't forget the Police.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2012, 09:50:00 am by Lions84 »

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2012, 01:21:30 pm »
Glad to see level headed people still exist.  I find it offensive when people like UNCLE IVAN post things about people they may not even know that challenge their abilities as a coach.  When he says things like " an ape with a meth addiction could coach a team with that talent to 10 wins," he demeans not only the coach he is referring to, but the entire profession.
IVAN was referring the head coach at Camden Fairview.  Over the last 2 seasons his teams have lost 4 games.  Two of them to the 3 time reigning 6a state champs El Dorado and the other two to the 2 time reigning 5a state champs Greenwood. 

Meanwhile, he starts threads to praise other coaches and they post back.

I wonder if 27 Trap would support the statement above that Uncle Ivan made?  I have never met 27 Trap, but my guess is that UNCLE IVAN's comment would disgust him just as much as it does me.
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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2012, 09:23:24 pm »
Glad to see level headed people still exist.  I find it offensive when people like UNCLE IVAN post things about people they may not even know that challenge their abilities as a coach.  When he says things like " an ape with a meth addiction could coach a team with that talent to 10 wins," he demeans not only the coach he is referring to, but the entire profession.
IVAN was referring the head coach at Camden Fairview.  Over the last 2 seasons his teams have lost 4 games.  Two of them to the 3 time reigning 6a state champs El Dorado and the other two to the 2 time reigning 5a state champs Greenwood. 

Meanwhile, he starts threads to praise other coaches and they post back.

I wonder if 27 Trap would support the statement above that Uncle Ivan made?  I have never met 27 Trap, but my guess is that UNCLE IVAN's comment would disgust him just as much as it does me.

Bless your heart.
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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2012, 08:30:31 am »
Glad to see level headed people still exist.  I find it offensive when people like UNCLE IVAN post things about people they may not even know that challenge their abilities as a coach.  When he says things like " an ape with a meth addiction could coach a team with that talent to 10 wins," he demeans not only the coach he is referring to, but the entire profession.
IVAN was referring the head coach at Camden Fairview.  Over the last 2 seasons his teams have lost 4 games.  Two of them to the 3 time reigning 6a state champs El Dorado and the other two to the 2 time reigning 5a state champs Greenwood. 

Meanwhile, he starts threads to praise other coaches and they post back.

I wonder if 27 Trap would support the statement above that Uncle Ivan made?  I have never met 27 Trap, but my guess is that UNCLE IVAN's comment would disgust him just as much as it does me.

Nice post.

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2012, 11:55:26 am »
I constantly read on these boards where people criticize and gripe about coaches.   I for one am not one to gripe, but i'm frankly tired of people constantly blaming the coaches for every loss.  Have any of you ever really looked at what the coaches are working with?  Really take a close look, most of the time you will see that teams who don't win often most of the time don't have much if any talent. (no one or two decent playecrs isn't having talent)  A coach can only do so much with what they have to work with.  Most all coaches i've been around work extremely hard to prepare their teams and give them the best opportunity to succeed.  It's not an easy profession with constant complaints about playing time, lack of resources, lack of support, low pay (at your smaller schools).  I think people forget that coaches are human and like all of us make mistakes, but at the sametime do their job to the best of their ability.  Also, remember they are coaching KIDS, not college or pro athletes, a lot of which are more worried about a lot of other things besides sports.  So before you get on here pointing fingers or gossiping in your town really take a second to look at the situation instead of looking for a scapegoat for why your team did not win.

Very Good Post!!!

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2012, 11:57:30 am »
One thing others seem to forget are that coaches are also Husbands and Fathers and there families listen to the BS that people say everytime things dont go right.   

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2012, 01:21:37 pm »
I constantly read on these boards where people criticize and gripe about coaches.   I for one am not one to gripe, but i'm frankly tired of people constantly blaming the coaches for every loss.  Have any of you ever really looked at what the coaches are working with?  Really take a close look, most of the time you will see that teams who don't win often most of the time don't have much if any talent. (no one or two decent playecrs isn't having talent)  A coach can only do so much with what they have to work with.  Most all coaches i've been around work extremely hard to prepare their teams and give them the best opportunity to succeed.  It's not an easy profession with constant complaints about playing time, lack of resources, lack of support, low pay (at your smaller schools).  I think people forget that coaches are human and like all of us make mistakes, but at the sametime do their job to the best of their ability.  Also, remember they are coaching KIDS, not college or pro athletes, a lot of which are more worried about a lot of other things besides sports.  So before you get on here pointing fingers or gossiping in your town really take a second to look at the situation instead of looking for a scapegoat for why your team did not win.

My guess is you're not from Nashville

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2012, 01:23:30 pm »
One thing others seem to forget are that coaches are also Husbands and Fathers and there families listen to the BS that people say everytime things dont go right.   

Thats very true Sarge......People dont hesitate to think about a Coach's wife or kids sitting in the stands listening to the stuff they say

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2012, 09:14:13 am »
Folks get this mob mentality. You are seeing it in the big leagues now more than ever. People pay their hard earned money and think they can act however they want. It's hard to have a family outing to a sporting event anymore.

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2012, 09:36:59 am »
Yes it really is......you can't go just enjoy a football game without some genius in the stands who thinks they could do better.....I'd like to see some of those people get on the sideline and try to make those decisions with only 25 seconds between each play haha......probably would shut a few of them up

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2012, 09:58:15 am »
Yes it really is......you can't go just enjoy a football game without some genius in the stands who thinks they could do better.....I'd like to see some of those people get on the sideline and try to make those decisions with only 25 seconds between each play haha......probably would shut a few of them up

I would like for the coaches to go and be at those ppl jobs and scream and yell and call them names etc and see how they liked it.

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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2012, 11:45:47 am »
Gee, read every response and apply it to officials, rather than coaches. See any similarities?  ::)

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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2012, 12:37:40 pm »
Gee, read every response and apply it to officials, rather than coaches. See any similarities?  ::)
+1 refs too haha

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2012, 12:45:12 pm »
IT comes with the any pubic job, folks fuss and complain bout the Preacher, the Coach, the Teacher the Judge and the elected officals and don't forget the Police.
I just spit iced tea all over my desk! Got to quit eating lunch and reading FF at the same time.

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2012, 01:21:55 pm »
Yes it really is......you can't go just enjoy a football game without some genius in the stands who thinks they could do better.....I'd like to see some of those people get on the sideline and try to make those decisions with only 25 seconds between each play haha......probably would shut a few of them up

I would like for the coaches to go and be at those ppl jobs and scream and yell and call them names etc and see how they liked it.

Be a better coach and you won't be criticized. It's that simple.

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2012, 07:57:56 pm »
What is your definition of better?

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2012, 09:29:06 am »
Yes it really is......you can't go just enjoy a football game without some genius in the stands who thinks they could do better.....I'd like to see some of those people get on the sideline and try to make those decisions with only 25 seconds between each play haha......probably would shut a few of them up

I would like for the coaches to go and be at those ppl jobs and scream and yell and call them names etc and see how they liked it.

Be a better coach and you won't be criticized. It's that simple.
not true

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2012, 09:50:35 am »
IT comes with the any pubic job, folks fuss and complain bout the Preacher, the Coach, the Teacher the Judge and the elected officals and don't forget the Police.
I just spit iced tea all over my desk! Got to quit eating lunch and reading FF at the same time.

Sorry bout the Typo Rulesman.

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2012, 09:56:28 am »
Yes it really is......you can't go just enjoy a football game without some genius in the stands who thinks they could do better.....I'd like to see some of those people get on the sideline and try to make those decisions with only 25 seconds between each play haha......probably would shut a few of them up

I would like for the coaches to go and be at those ppl jobs and scream and yell and call them names etc and see how they liked it.

Be a better coach and you won't be criticized. It's that simple.
Its not that simple.  I promise you people complain about the best coaches in the state.  Just ask Lunney, Reed, Dawson, etc.

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2012, 10:17:55 am »
Yes it really is......you can't go just enjoy a football game without some genius in the stands who thinks they could do better.....I'd like to see some of those people get on the sideline and try to make those decisions with only 25 seconds between each play haha......probably would shut a few of them up

I would like for the coaches to go and be at those ppl jobs and scream and yell and call them names etc and see how they liked it.

Be a better coach and you won't be criticized. It's that simple.

Yeah thats all it takes.  If you think that your an IDIOT!!   

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2012, 01:47:29 pm »
Yes it really is......you can't go just enjoy a football game without some genius in the stands who thinks they could do better.....I'd like to see some of those people get on the sideline and try to make those decisions with only 25 seconds between each play haha......probably would shut a few of them up

I would like for the coaches to go and be at those ppl jobs and scream and yell and call them names etc and see how they liked it.

Be a better coach and you won't be criticized. It's that simple.

Boy that sure is some solid advice right there......this is obviously one of the people we are talkin about on this thread......no idea what hes talkin about

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2013, 07:30:08 am »
Coaching is the easiest job on the planet because it's the job that everyone on the planet knows how to do.  Coaching is the hardest job on the planet because it's the job that everyone on the planet knows how to do.
Good post.

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2013, 03:40:42 pm »
It's the Jimmy'sand Joes, not the X's and O's.

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« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2013, 01:38:37 pm »
It's the Jimmy'sand Joes, not the X's and O's.

So True!

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« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2013, 03:19:50 pm »
I hope that somewhere in this consideration, everyone takes a long look at the coach(es) as well.  For every outstanding coach, one who is truly a builder of character, there are several who give their players far less consideration than they deserve.   

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« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2013, 01:51:09 pm »
I know someone closely coaching... I now sit in the opponents bleachers. Even with 26 regular season wins the last 3 years & 5 postseason wins the last 2 years I got tired of parents constant complaints about the coaches during the games. Now I hear the opponents fans complain about their coaches lol.

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2013, 02:29:54 pm »
Beach Bum,

Lets throw a theoretical situation out for discussion.

A player isn't satisfied they are getting sufficient playing time. At an appropriate time and place, the player asks what they can do to earn more playing time. 

Also at present, the player is not one of the starting 22.  The player also expresses concern about lack of opportunities in practice because most of the practice time has the first team defense training against the first team offense.

What portion of training time the second teams (reserves) receive is against the other reserve team. 

How would you counsel a player in a scenario such as this?


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« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2013, 03:27:53 pm »
Beach Bum,

Lets throw a theoretical situation out for discussion.

A player isn't satisfied they are getting sufficient playing time. At an appropriate time and place, the player asks what they can do to earn more playing time. 

Also at present, the player is not one of the starting 22.  The player also expresses concern about lack of opportunities in practice because most of the practice time has the first team defense training against the first team offense.

What portion of training time the second teams (reserves) receive is against the other reserve team. 

How would you counsel a player in a scenario such as this?

That is a tough scenario.... I think those are the types of situations that are even harder for a coach to solve those than just parents upset because of W & L results on the field. I think almost all coaches can handle the being yelled at for the L's.... but to try & answer your question it all depends on the kids class whether he is a junior, sophomore, or senior. If the player is a senior that makes it tough because it is the players last go around for playing time & so forth. If the player is a junior or sophomore the player would have his chance in the future & in JV games. And definitely if the kid asked in a good manner that shows he cares & I think he deserves at least some more practice reps to prove his chance. The program I follow has luckily the last 3 years been starting nearly all upperclassmen ( I think one sophomore has started the last 2 seasons both seasons) with the luxury of the underclassmen having plenty of talent as well but sitting and watching for a year to absorb in the success. But also, the conference has been down to leading to quite a bit of early mercy rules allowing for plenty of playing time for the young back ups late in games...... Those are the scenarios I am glad I am not a coach though  ;D
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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2013, 03:32:21 pm »
I hope that somewhere in this consideration, everyone takes a long look at the coach(es) as well.  For every outstanding coach, one who is truly a builder of character, there are several who give their players far less consideration than they deserve.

Oh & I just noticed this post you made. That is so true. There are so many coaches I have already noticed who are in it for their own benefit & you see the players as pawns for their own success instead of building true relationships with their players. To the ones that use players as pawns that's just pathetic because their just kids they are dealing with. You see that way too much in the college & pro game even. It's just pathetic. But, I guess no matter the profession there are going to be people take advantage of others for their benefit. To the coaches who really try to make a difference in their players lives for building character I have a ton of respect for.
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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2013, 10:13:19 am »
Beach Bum,

Lets throw a theoretical situation out for discussion.

A player isn't satisfied they are getting sufficient playing time. At an appropriate time and place, the player asks what they can do to earn more playing time. 

Also at present, the player is not one of the starting 22.  The player also expresses concern about lack of opportunities in practice because most of the practice time has the first team defense training against the first team offense.

What portion of training time the second teams (reserves) receive is against the other reserve team. 

How would you counsel a player in a scenario such as this?



Find a need.   Fill a need.  And don't try to convince me that most football teams do not have needs.

At both the upper level college and pro levels,  players tend to break into the starting lineups with special teams work.   The player in question should volunteer (eagerly) to work on special teams. 

I've seen way too many high school players who absolute loathe special teams work because

1) They consider it to be unimportant and demeaning.
2) They see it as not being an opportunity to play much.
3) They see it as having an increased chance of injury.

Yet many marginal players have moved to the starting lineup by doing superb work on special teams.    Even if they don't move to the regular lineup,  playing on special teams keeps you on the field a lot.

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2013, 08:58:39 pm »
Beach Bum,

Lets throw a theoretical situation out for discussion.

A player isn't satisfied they are getting sufficient playing time. At an appropriate time and place, the player asks what they can do to earn more playing time. 

Also at present, the player is not one of the starting 22.  The player also expresses concern about lack of opportunities in practice because most of the practice time has the first team defense training against the first team offense.

What portion of training time the second teams (reserves) receive is against the other reserve team. 

How would you counsel a player in a scenario such as this?



Find a need.   Fill a need.  And don't try to convince me that most football teams do not have needs.

At both the upper level college and pro levels,  players tend to break into the starting lineups with special teams work.   The player in question should volunteer (eagerly) to work on special teams. 

I've seen way too many high school players who absolute loathe special teams work because

1) They consider it to be unimportant and demeaning.
2) They see it as not being an opportunity to play much.
3) They see it as having an increased chance of injury.

Yet many marginal players have moved to the starting lineup by doing superb work on special teams.    Even if they don't move to the regular lineup,  playing on special teams keeps you on the field a lot.
Sure worked at Augusta didn't it... :)

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2013, 09:23:59 pm »
Beach Bum,

Lets throw a theoretical situation out for discussion.

A player isn't satisfied they are getting sufficient playing time. At an appropriate time and place, the player asks what they can do to earn more playing time. 

Also at present, the player is not one of the starting 22.  The player also expresses concern about lack of opportunities in practice because most of the practice time has the first team defense training against the first team offense.

What portion of training time the second teams (reserves) receive is against the other reserve team. 

How would you counsel a player in a scenario such as this?



Find a need.   Fill a need.  And don't try to convince me that most football teams do not have needs.

At both the upper level college and pro levels,  players tend to break into the starting lineups with special teams work.   The player in question should volunteer (eagerly) to work on special teams. 

I've seen way too many high school players who absolute loathe special teams work because

1) They consider it to be unimportant and demeaning.
2) They see it as not being an opportunity to play much.
3) They see it as having an increased chance of injury.

Yet many marginal players have moved to the starting lineup by doing superb work on special teams.    Even if they don't move to the regular lineup,  playing on special teams keeps you on the field a lot.
Sure worked at Augusta didn't it... :)

Especially on the punt team and kick return team...;)

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2013, 01:06:47 pm »
If you put in the work and really coach your kids then that was a great statement.  If you don't know what your're doing in the first place and your scared of the work that goes into it then you're in the wrong line of work, and you're doing your kids a disservice.

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2013, 01:01:57 pm »
Amen to that!

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2013, 04:01:45 pm »
+1 for sure.....For some reason every person thinks that they can be a coach.....if you are going to criticize a coach try walking a mile in their shoes first.


Does coaching your sons Peewee team count?  ;D

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2013, 04:25:36 pm »
+1 for sure.....For some reason every person thinks that they can be a coach.....if you are going to criticize a coach try walking a mile in their shoes first.


Does coaching your sons Peewee team count?  ;D

Dang straight. Some of them peewee momma's are worse than the D1 daddies walking the edge of the field. ;D

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2013, 08:27:43 am »
+1 for sure.....For some reason every person thinks that they can be a coach.....if you are going to criticize a coach try walking a mile in their shoes first.


Does coaching your sons Peewee team count?  ;D

Haha not quite what I had in mind

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2013, 04:58:19 pm »
I think our coach is something like 22-5 over the past 2 years.  I have no complaints. 

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #45 on: January 01, 2014, 08:41:25 am »
Most coaches know how to coach the game, it's the other things that go along with it they've forgotten to teach. Way too much showboating going on and not enough helping the played up and patting them on the back. Good coaches set standards that young people learn and carry through life. The ones complaining never were taught. Playing players who are seniors over talented players that is underclassmen or whose parents are big booster club donors goes on way too much in high school ball. The good coaches play the best 11 players for the job and bring the lord into the locker room. They also set by example not by just word alone. Morals start at home but sometimes the only morals taught are by the coaches......... ;)

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Re: Grumbling about coaches
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2014, 08:30:21 am »
It getting worse all the time. I feel for our staff's wifes at times.   Shoot there were folks gripping about Pappa Frank at Barton during the Streak saying he was too tough and showed his opponets no mercy!

 

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