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Title: Mitch/Gus Thread Heap All new thread will end up here.
Post by: RGP on January 14, 2007, 11:24:41 pm
Word on Hogville and Scout is that he accepted the Co-Offensive Coordinator job...reported on a station in Tulsa called the blitz...The World as we know it is officially screwed...
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ASU Rugby on January 14, 2007, 11:30:14 pm
I just heard that myself.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 14, 2007, 11:35:12 pm
It's spreading like wildfire...just spoke to a friend of mine with ties to TU and he said it is all but confirmed.

Frick you Nutt/Broyles, frick you very much.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 14, 2007, 11:40:08 pm
Mustain is rumored to transfer as well. I think this will make up Lee Ziemba's mind for him, we could lose what recruits we do have. Not to mention, we could endure a NCAA investigation of hiring a coach to get players.

I hate you Dale.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: panther_pride on January 14, 2007, 11:44:15 pm
FIRE FRANK!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: thebigshot on January 15, 2007, 12:12:20 am
I seen on other boards that this is true.

I don't like Nutt coaching style, and it sucks and next season they may not even win seven games.

If Mustain goes with Malzahn. I can see Nutt moving Robert Johnson back to QB.

No wonder Damian Williams left !!!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 12:20:39 am
I seen on other boards that this is true.

I don't like Nutt coaching style, and it sucks and next season they may not even win seven games.

If Mustain goes with Malzahn. I can see Nutt moving Robert Johnson back to QB.

No wonder Damian Williams left !!!

If we won 10 games with the schedule we had this year, next year we will win at least 8 or 9. There is no way we get any less than 8 and you can bank on that.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: C_A_Morris on January 15, 2007, 12:33:35 am
YouTube T.V. Report (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1NC4SNXQDg)

Well...Crap....
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RGP on January 15, 2007, 12:35:42 am
Let's see:
Nonconference= +4
Miss State, Ole Miss= +2
Nutt Luck= +2
Home SEC Games= +2
Loss of Malzahn, Williams, Wood, Mustain= -2

Seven to Eight wins sounds about right...then D-Mac goes pro...after that, more 4 win seasons...
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RGP on January 15, 2007, 12:37:28 am
YouTube T.V. Report (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1NC4SNXQDg)

Well...Crap....
Anyone else hear that up at Tulsa they probably won't tell Malzahn how to run his offense...OUCH!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 12:41:16 am
Let's see:
Nonconference= +4
Miss State, Ole Miss= +2
Nutt Luck= +2
Home SEC Games= +2
Loss of Malzahn, Williams, Wood, Mustain= -2

Seven to Eight wins sounds about right...then D-Mac goes pro...after that, more 4 win seasons...
How would losing Williams, Woods, and Mustain hurt us? What did any of them do to help us win games? Mustain didn't do much to win us games. He just handed it off and occasionally threw for about 80 yards. Damian would catch a ball every now and then while allowing 4 or 5 balls go between his hands. Wood hasn't done a whole lot with our QBs considering none of them have really made an impact on our team.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 12:49:57 am
Tejada / Tuck are two recruits I would be very concerned about losing right now if Gus goes to TU. Both have Springdale/Shiloh ties and would be very devestating to recruiting if we lose them.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Footballer on January 15, 2007, 12:51:39 am
If this turns out to be true, the only reason I'll have to watch the Hogs will be to see McFadden do well. This whole situation has been freaking ridiculous. DMC is the ONLY bright spot.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RGP on January 15, 2007, 12:54:13 am
Let's see:
Nonconference= +4
Miss State, Ole Miss= +2
Nutt Luck= +2
Home SEC Games= +2
Loss of Malzahn, Williams, Wood, Mustain= -2

Seven to Eight wins sounds about right...then D-Mac goes pro...after that, more 4 win seasons...
How would losing Williams, Woods, and Mustain hurt us? What did any of them do to help us win games? Mustain didn't do much to win us games. He just handed it off and occasionally threw for about 80 yards. Damian would catch a ball every now and then while allowing 4 or 5 balls go between his hands. Wood hasn't done a whole lot with our QBs considering none of them have really made an impact on our team.
Your right. Williams only was Third team Freshman All American...I agree, he should have been first team!
Mustain was 8-0 as a starter! I agree he should have been...well he only started 8 games...
Wood (Not Woods) was supposedly one of the three who contributed to calling the plays and constructing the offense in the offseason...the same offense that moved from 66th a year ago, to 32nd...sure, our passing game wasn't great, but it was still better than last years! With a true sophomore and true freshman as your only options, let's see the top passing team in the nation somewhere else...
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RGP on January 15, 2007, 12:54:57 am
Tejada / Tuck are two recruits I would be very concerned about losing right now if Gus goes to TU. Both have Springdale/Shiloh ties and would be very devestating to recruiting if we lose them.
Gus was the one who recruited both of them as well...
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 12:55:59 am
Something else to consider

Markuson has been trying to elevate his name to go to MN, what if they told Gus, hey yall are going to be Co-Offensive Coordinators?

If I was Gus I would've given UA the finger as well.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: paintballpaki on January 15, 2007, 12:56:38 am
wow...this is gonna suck
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RGP on January 15, 2007, 12:58:10 am
Something else to consider

Markuson has been trying to elevate his name to go to MN, what if they told Gus, hey yall are going to be Co-Offensive Coordinators?

If I was Gus I would've given UA the finger as well.
Or maybe just Running Game Coordinator...
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Footballer on January 15, 2007, 12:58:39 am
I had a good night tonight, and then I came home and saw this. I'm pretty disgusted by the whole thing. The two arses on the hill had to go and eff everything up.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 01:01:12 am
Makes me want to not be a fan of Razorback Football, willing to sacrifice that money to Tulsa and watch them play football. Like I said before, when I met Nutt a few months ago I wish I spit in his face, it would be the same exact thing he is doing to the fans and the program right now.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Footballer on January 15, 2007, 01:05:19 am
I believe right now is the only time in my living memory that I can say I'm really considering to stop following the Hogs. The basketball loss to Ole Miss, and now this crap. I thought that finally football would be settled down until atleast this spring. I just hope the baseball team is as good as they're supposed to be. Gah, I think I need a drink.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 01:12:34 am
Maybe Gus decided he cant hack it in the SEC..his HUNH wasnt going to work..ever think of that..his receiver and qb sure as heck didnt work..Take Mustain and his Crazy Mom with you.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RGP on January 15, 2007, 01:21:33 am
Mind if I make up a hogville name and just put it on there, right before I get banned?
Title: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 01:38:48 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1NC4SNXQDg
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 01:39:56 am
http://tulsa.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1774&tid=87315582&mid=87315582&sid=1115&style=2
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: the man on January 15, 2007, 02:10:00 am
its a huge rumor stop freaking out!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 02:11:36 am
its a huge rumor stop freaking out!

Rumor?Its kinda funny a New Station is saying it WILL happen..TODAY

Now..either this news agency has some really good sources they trust..or they are about to make complete butts out of themselves.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: the man on January 15, 2007, 02:35:22 am
if this is true...its not nutts fault,its not franks fault...its all malzahn. he would be a dumba$$ to leave arkansas and go to tulsa as a co-offensive coordinator. i dont like nutt one bit, but he will have more wins with arkansas than tulsa. i mean come on, they hired a coach from rice that had a its best season in a while that is compared to an ok Houston nutt season(7-6). oh and did i mention that he hired six of his previous assistants from rice. and the only reason it was an ok season(or a great season in rice standards) was because of the good receiver they had.

if malzahn goes...he will be classified as an idiot. a complete idiot. we are talking his name is located in the dictionary defined as idiot.

this will ruin his career. give him one or two more years as OC at arkansas and will he land a HC job somewhere,wether its arkansas or not it would happen.

i hope the "savior" Gus Malzahn is not this stupid.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Partagas on January 15, 2007, 07:55:04 am
7:30Am CST:  The Fan sports radio 1190 AM: Bo Mattingly reports confirmation that Gus will leave Arkansas to become the Co-head coach and Co-offensive coordinator at Tulsa. He will reportedly recive the same pay as Arkansas, and will run the spread and be calling all the plays. A press conference is scheduled this morning on the hill.

My guess? Gus won't go alone.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: DIG-BIG on January 15, 2007, 08:25:03 am
Congrats to Gus! Frank Baby what in the world.

This is just the Last F-up . Frank B. must GO NOW! This Old Fart can Barely wipe His Rearend by himself, and he is head of the                                 Programs.LOL......LOL......LOL....This is a Circus. The Manager of a Sonic Drive Inn has more Brains than Frank B.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: mack on January 15, 2007, 08:34:39 am
Makes me want to not be a fan of Razorback Football, willing to sacrifice that money to Tulsa and watch them play football. Like I said before, when I met Nutt a few months ago I wish I spit in his face, it would be the same exact thing he is doing to the fans and the program right now.

I wish you would have too.  That way he could actually punch you out.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: "SHOWKILLER" on January 15, 2007, 08:50:12 am
Here is ANOTHER fine example of Arkansas fans getting SCREWED!!! Just when we get something good going we get our heart ripped right out of us!!! I'm so tired of this!!!  IT'S HIGH TIME TRUE ARKANSAS FANS BAN TOGETHER AND MAKE A STAND!!!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 08:53:40 am
With David Lee coming to be UAs OC wonder if Mitch will stick around given Lee's QB success record?  Wouldn't be surprised though to see both Mitch and Felix cross the border. 

HDN needs to pack Franks GMC and then they both need to get into it and drive off into the sunset together!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 08:56:48 am

HDN needs to pack Franks GMC and then they both need to get into it and drive off into the sunset together!
Matter of fact, Stan can get in the back seat and leave with 'em!!!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: big casino on January 15, 2007, 09:02:19 am
Within the next 3 to 4yrs Gus could possibly the head coach at Tulsa and all the good ones that Tulsa gets goes on to bigger and better jobs.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: InGusWeTrust on January 15, 2007, 09:40:02 am
so what current player or recruit will go to Tulsa?  any guesses?
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 09:55:47 am
so what current player or recruit will go to Tulsa?  any guesses?
Only any WR more than likely. The RBs will still want to play for us because they more than likely aren't coming to run Malzahn's style.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 10:15:43 am
Let's see:
Nonconference= +4
Miss State, Ole Miss= +2
Nutt Luck= +2
Home SEC Games= +2
Loss of Malzahn, Williams, Wood, Mustain= -2

Seven to Eight wins sounds about right...then D-Mac goes pro...after that, more 4 win seasons...
How would losing Williams, Woods, and Mustain hurt us? What did any of them do to help us win games? Mustain didn't do much to win us games. He just handed it off and occasionally threw for about 80 yards. Damian would catch a ball every now and then while allowing 4 or 5 balls go between his hands. Wood hasn't done a whole lot with our QBs considering none of them have really made an impact on our team.
Your right. Williams only was Third team Freshman All American...I agree, he should have been first team!
Mustain was 8-0 as a starter! I agree he should have been...well he only started 8 games...
Wood (Not Woods) was supposedly one of the three who contributed to calling the plays and constructing the offense in the offseason...the same offense that moved from 66th a year ago, to 32nd...sure, our passing game wasn't great, but it was still better than last years! With a true sophomore and true freshman as your only options, let's see the top passing team in the nation somewhere else...
I didn't mean to put an "s" on Wood the first time. If you look at post later on I spelled it correct. I am a huge Viking fan so I know all about him. He isn't that great. Also, I never said Williams was bad. He only caught 19 passes all year when he could have caught probably 30 or so. He dropped a ton of passes. Mustain was 8-0 as a starter. However, he got pulled after the first pass of the SC game when he threw an INT. That goes as a win, but he didn't do crap so he should really be 7-0. He didn't win us the Bama game, he nearly lost it. Against Vandy he had a lot of yards and I think 3 TDs, but if Vany's secondary wasn't garbage he would have had 3 more INTs and probably 2 for a TD. That doesn't matter though because it didn't happen. Mustain did not have good stats in very many games. He was just riding on the backs of McFadden and Felix.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: panther_pride on January 15, 2007, 10:21:06 am
if this is true...its not nutts fault,its not franks fault...its all malzahn. he would be a dumba$$ to leave arkansas and go to tulsa as a co-offensive coordinator. i dont like nutt one bit, but he will have more wins with arkansas than tulsa. i mean come on, they hired a coach from rice that had a its best season in a while that is compared to an ok Houston nutt season(7-6). oh and did i mention that he hired six of his previous assistants from rice. and the only reason it was an ok season(or a great season in rice standards) was because of the good receiver they had.

if malzahn goes...he will be classified as an idiot. a complete idiot. we are talking his name is located in the dictionary defined as idiot.

this will ruin his career. give him one or two more years as OC at arkansas and will he land a HC job somewhere,wether its arkansas or not it would happen.

i hope the "savior" Gus Malzahn is not this stupid.
Or maybe he doesn't want to be around Fayetteville when the ship sinks...
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: SandLizard04 on January 15, 2007, 10:24:27 am
so what current player or recruit will go to Tulsa?  any guesses?
Dardanelle's C.J. Chaten committed to Tulsa during the season. I believe Nolan Hankins from Shiloh Christian has already committed, as well.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Htown on January 15, 2007, 10:25:02 am
Mind if I make up a hogville name and just put it on there, right before I get banned?

They'll ban you for anything anti-Nutt (or Arkansas) over there.

Now all we can do is sit and watch as the Arkansas media tries to spin this story so it doesn't make Nutt look so bad. We'll be lucky to win 8 or 9 even with our easy schedule next year so long as HDN is calling the plays.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 10:32:09 am
if this is true...its not nutts fault,its not franks fault...its all malzahn. he would be a dumba$$ to leave arkansas and go to tulsa as a co-offensive coordinator. i dont like nutt one bit, but he will have more wins with arkansas than tulsa. i mean come on, they hired a coach from rice that had a its best season in a while that is compared to an ok Houston nutt season(7-6). oh and did i mention that he hired six of his previous assistants from rice. and the only reason it was an ok season(or a great season in rice standards) was because of the good receiver they had.

if malzahn goes...he will be classified as an idiot. a complete idiot. we are talking his name is located in the dictionary defined as idiot.

this will ruin his career. give him one or two more years as OC at arkansas and will he land a HC job somewhere,wether its arkansas or not it would happen.

i hope the "savior" Gus Malzahn is not this stupid.
Not this stupid?  Gus, and Herring, are the only two there that know anything.  I must admit I'm NOT much of an Arkansas fan.  I've called them a tier 2 school and now I think that's generous.  The players identify with Gus and Herring MUCH more than they do with Nutt's and his mini-me Frank B.  I hope Gus leaves.  Hey, you do have Nutt's until 2012.  Now there is somthing to build on huh. 

My guess, over the next two years.  Saban will be 1-1 against Arkansas and have more wins than Nutt's.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Footballer on January 15, 2007, 10:46:24 am
At this point, I can't really blame anyone for leaving. It'll just make Nutt and Broyles look like even bigger idiots.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 10:49:32 am
Presser at 11 from what I've been reading.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 10:57:29 am
http://www.thesportsanimal.com/

Will carry Live Coverage of Announcement of Gus Malzhan to Tulsa.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 11:03:24 am
Mind if I make up a hogville name and just put it on there, right before I get banned?

They'll ban you for anything anti-Nutt (or Arkansas) over there.

Now all we can do is sit and watch as the Arkansas media tries to spin this story so it doesn't make Nutt look so bad. We'll be lucky to win 8 or 9 even with our easy schedule next year so long as HDN is calling the plays.
Are you kidding? Have you been over there lately? They will become your best friend for anything Anti-Nutt. They are all darksiders over there and pro-Mustain and Malzahn. I got banned on that site for stating Nutt's ppg under his offense in the SEC. I got unbanned a week later and stated that Mustain wasn't as good as people made him out to be and I got banned again. All of Hogville hates Nutt pretty much. Most the threads over there are fire Nutt and most the Avatars have a picture of Nutt or Stan Heath and saying fire them.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: McKnz on January 15, 2007, 11:05:35 am
Who can blame Gus? Seriously. For the dude who said it's Gus's fault for wanting to go to Tulsa over Arkansas...give me a break. It was evident throughout the season that Gus wasn't hired to be the OC. He was hired strictly for the purpose of bringing in the Springdale players. By the way, this is a huge NCAA infraction. I wouldn't be surprised to see an investigation now. Some of you Hog fans need to get over yourselves. Some of you, RD included, I truly feel for you. When you support a team it's hard when you constantly get screwed around.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: SandLizard04 on January 15, 2007, 11:05:38 am
http://www.thesportsanimal.com/

Will carry Live Coverage of Announcement of Gus Malzhan to Tulsa.
That's a dang good station. All I listened to while I was living in Norman.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: McKnz on January 15, 2007, 11:08:17 am
I've got it on right now.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Bogey on January 15, 2007, 11:13:31 am
Who will be the next "O.C."?

Barry Lunney, Mike Malham, Bernie Cox, Don Campbell??

 ;)
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 11:14:02 am
Who will be the next "O.C."?

Barry Lunney, Mike Malham, Bernie Cox, Don Campbell??

 ;)
Jeff Holt.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 11:15:29 am
Who can blame Gus? Seriously. For the dude who said it's Gus's fault for wanting to go to Tulsa over Arkansas...give me a break. It was evident throughout the season that Gus wasn't hired to be the OC. He was hired strictly for the purpose of bringing in the Springdale players. By the way, this is a huge NCAA infraction. I wouldn't be surprised to see an investigation now. Some of you Hog fans need to get over yourselves. Some of you, RD included, I truly feel for you. When you support a team it's hard when you constantly get screwed around.
Oh I know, the NCAA will insert there nose soon and say uhm Frank? Why did these kids from Springdale High School jump ship after your Offensive Coordinator went somewhere else? We need to talk.

I almost wish, that our program would be investigated and maybe that would be the way out for Houston Nutt. I can't describe in words how much I hate this man, I normally don't hate anyone, but I hate this man, and I despise Frank Broyles, and I don't give two fricks what the Old Frick has done for the U of A, he has overstayed his visit and he needs to go.

The whole program needs to be cleaned out, and if that means years of suck so be it, but at least it's not with Nutt/Broyles pulling the strings. What little fans of Houston Nutt had, are gone, also what support the U of A had for Football...IS GONE!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 11:18:14 am
On Razor's Edge they are reporting David Lee will be named Off Coordinator today. Good deal, he has to get out there and save what recruits we can before Gus can steal them from U of A.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RGP on January 15, 2007, 11:19:27 am
http://tulsahurricane.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/011507aaa.html
The apocalypse is truly upon us...
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: kylerocks5000 on January 15, 2007, 11:21:18 am
ya'll are all morons that have nothing better to due
Who do ya'll think we are USC
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 11:23:06 am
ya'll are all morons that have nothing better to due
Who do ya'll think we are USC

At least us morons can SPELL....it is DO not DUE



Now..as stated above..David Lee is being reported to have the job...with it being reported this soon...there is also word going around that Gus was FIRED from the Arkansas staff..if it is true that Lee is being named this soon into it..then it may be true that Gus was ired.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 11:25:37 am
so what current player or recruit will go to Tulsa?  any guesses?
Only any WR more than likely. The RBs will still want to play for us because they more than likely aren't coming to run Malzahn's style.
I wouldn't be so sure, how many yards did Mahlzan's back(s) have at Springdale?  Especially when you figure in the dump off pass to the RB.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Footballer on January 15, 2007, 11:29:18 am
And Arkansas of being the joke of college football continues.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 11:31:34 am
Frick Razorback Football. Frick Nutt threeve times. Frick Frank Broyles. Frick the Murray State Mafia.

Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RGP on January 15, 2007, 11:36:10 am
Anyone have a link to the Buzz...I heard they were talking about it....
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: kylerocks5000 on January 15, 2007, 11:38:07 am
due due due due due due due due due
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: thebigshot on January 15, 2007, 11:38:11 am
Is Mitch leaving for Tulsa also ?

Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: 44killer on January 15, 2007, 11:38:21 am
Gus is a fool if he was smart he would stick around and coach Jones and McFadden and monk.I think Gus scared that every one in the sec figured his offense out so he left for he wouldn't look bad how Gus ran the offense i could have done that all he did was run run and run pass run run an run
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 11:38:28 am
Anyone have a link to the Buzz...I heard they were talking about it....
www.1037thebuzz.com
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Footballer on January 15, 2007, 11:40:00 am
http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2731782&name=FPT-2731782-011512&srvc=sz

There's the ESPN link.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RHS on January 15, 2007, 11:40:13 am
Say whatever you want, but it is a step backwards for the one leaving. How much of his offense do you think he will get to run being a co-oc?

And RD good buddy, we will not get a NCAA investigation.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: thebigshot on January 15, 2007, 11:40:57 am
Gus is a fool if he was smart he would stick around and coach Jones and McFadden and monk.I think Gus scared that every one in the sec figured his offense out so he left for he wouldn't look bad how Gus ran the offense i could have done that all he did was run run and run pass run run an run


He didn't want to be around Nutt and Frank. He would have been a fool if he would have stayed around them. I think he did a good move. Nutt can not keep good coaches or good players.

The day Arkansas get rid of Nutt I will be an Arkansas fan, until then I'm sticking with LSU.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 11:42:12 am
Is Mitch leaving for Tulsa also ?



There is Speculation..but if it is true that we got David Lee...who cares..Lee is DEFINATLLY a step up.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Footballer on January 15, 2007, 11:43:13 am
Say whatever you want, but it is a step backwards for the one leaving. How much of his offense do you think he will get to run being a co-oc?

Probably more of it than he was allowed to run at AR.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Infamous on January 15, 2007, 11:43:44 am
Gus is a fool if he was smart he would stick around and coach Jones and McFadden and monk.I think Gus scared that every one in the sec figured his offense out so he left for he wouldn't look bad how Gus ran the offense i could have done that all he did was run run and run pass run run an run

Gus accepted Tulsa's offer because he wants the opportunity to run his style of offense without any interferences from an egotistical head coach.

That sounds more enticing than being the "offensive coordinator" of a team where your playcalling is handcuffed, and you have to have your play pre-approved from a sheet of pre-approved plays.

Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 11:46:36 am
Gus is a fool if he was smart he would stick around and coach Jones and McFadden and monk.I think Gus scared that every one in the sec figured his offense out so he left for he wouldn't look bad how Gus ran the offense i could have done that all he did was run run and run pass run run an run
Wake up.  Gus didn't run the, or his, offense.  What will you do in two years when McFadden is gone and you can't recruit anyone because it's out now that Nutts is out of his mind?  Time for Nutts and his whacko mentor Frank B. to GO.  I guess the Music City Bowl will look GOOD then. 
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 11:49:19 am
I cant believe the idiocy Im seeing this morning.."Im going to cheer for Tulsa now thatGus is leaving..Frick Arkansas" You people are proving ESPN right.."They are bigger fans of Springdale and its people than they are of the Razorbacks" That was in a ESPN article around the time of the Bowl Game.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Footballer on January 15, 2007, 11:53:42 am
I think that's mostly rage talking. I'll never quit being a razorback fan, but I can't help but to get so ticked off at the people in charge that I think about it.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: gameoflife on January 15, 2007, 11:55:57 am
Not alot of loss.  Malzahn leaves and he will have to prove himself as a winner at Tulsa now.  IF he doesn't what will be the reason?  That head coach did him wrong?  As for players leaving, if it is a question about why they came to UA, don't you think it will be more obvious if they go to Tulsa?   If nutt wins now, you'll have to acknowledge it, if he losses, then he has no one to blame. 
all that group is on their own now, Sink or Swim and lets see what happens.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: SandLizard04 on January 15, 2007, 11:56:10 am
there is also word going around that Gus was FIRED from the Arkansas staff..if it is true that Lee is being named this soon into it..then it may be true that Gus was ired.
I'm sure that's what the Arkansas media will try to say. Surely not even a dumba$$ as big as Nutt wouldn't be dumb enough to fire the national coordinator of the year. Dale will lie any way he can to save his image, just as he has done time and time before.

I'm reminded of why I hate everything about the University of Arkansas.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 11:58:45 am
there is also word going around that Gus was FIRED from the Arkansas staff..if it is true that Lee is being named this soon into it..then it may be true that Gus was ired.
I'm sure that's what the Arkansas media will try to say. Surely not even a dumba$$ as big as Nutt wouldn't be dumb enough to fire the national coordinator of the year. Nutt will lie any way he can to save his image, just as he has done time and time before.

I'm reminded of why I hate everything about the University of Arkansas.

Well...if the U of A already has a replacement named...wouldnt you think that they possibly fired Gus...could it be over the parents goind to the AD..perhaps that hacked Broyles off.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: gameoflife on January 15, 2007, 12:01:12 pm
That entire group has just been a problem from day 1. Maybe things will settle down a bit.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 12:03:34 pm
That entire group has just been a problem from day 1. Maybe things will settle down a bit.

Ive got to agree with that.I personally hope he takes Mustain and his Media Circus Mom with him.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 12:08:20 pm
How much of his offense do you think he will get to run being a co-oc?
Probably as much as he wants since he's the Asst Head Coach AND the co-offensive coordinator.  Not to mention the other co-offensive coordinator was the tight end coach at West Virginia...yup, lotsa HUNH offense there.  And Graham wants the HUNH offense installed asap and uses as Tulsa's primary offensive set.  Gus is in heaven!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 12:08:29 pm
That entire group has just been a problem from day 1. Maybe things will settle down a bit.
Oh it will settle down now. Down to the Music City bowl for years MAYBE.  Big loss.  Lets review now.  The only thing we do know is you have McFadden one more year and Houston Nutts through 2012.  Boy that looks good.  Tier 2 school just went tier 3 in my mind.   I hope Houston and Frank B stay for years and the Hogs are 5 - 5 each year.  It's why it's NOT a big time program.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 12:10:24 pm
Houston Nutts through 2012. 
That's his contract but it doesn't mean he'll be here til then. David Lee is coming in and will be Head Coach by 2009.  UofA will buy out HDN's contract and send him packing...and rightfully so!  Frank is hiring Lee, Nutt isn't!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: gameoflife on January 15, 2007, 12:10:53 pm
I'm willing to bet that UA has a better record and gets a better bowl bid next season than Tulsa.   
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 12:14:06 pm
I'm willing to bet that UA has a better record and gets a better bowl bid next season than Tulsa.  
Care to make the same bet for 2008?  LOL.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: HA_Fan on January 15, 2007, 12:14:17 pm
So the obvious question is if you are the offensive coordinator at a top 25 school in the SEC, why would you leave to be the co-offensive coordinator at a middle-of-the-road school in Conference USA?

Does anyone still think he had much control over play calling or the offense?
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 12:15:29 pm
So the obvious question is if you are the offensive coordinator at a top 25 school in the SEC, why would you leave to be the co-offensive coordinator at a middle-of-the-road school in Conference USA?

Does anyone still think he had much control over play calling or the offense?

Gus has never stayed anywhere too long..look at his record.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 12:17:21 pm
So the obvious question is if you are the offensive coordinator at a top 25 school in the SEC, why would you leave to be the co-offensive coordinator at a middle-of-the-road school in Conference USA?

Does anyone still think he had much control over play calling or the offense?
He is also Tulsa's new ASST HEAD COACH.  Guess not a lot of folks know about that.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: HA_Fan on January 15, 2007, 12:20:21 pm
Gus has never stayed anywhere too long..look at his record.

Yes, but the steps have been upward.  Tulsa shouldn't be a move up.

He is also Tulsa's new ASST HEAD COACH.  Guess not a lot of folks know about that.

It's still Tulsa.  If it was the head coaching job, I wouldn't question it.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: gameoflife on January 15, 2007, 12:20:58 pm
So he is still answerable to someone else, and he has a co-coordinator.  Three minds to mess it up.    Hey it's Tulsa, way down the list on the school of major football schools. 
I'll bet that if McFadden stays they play in a better bowl in 2008 yes.  And I'll consider just a bet on that, let me think a few minutes.  I have to take a look at strength of schedule and see how many high school teams Tulsa is playing.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Scorpius on January 15, 2007, 12:22:26 pm
I havent seen the report that he is the Asst. Coach but on the bottom line on ESPN and on ESPNEWS it says that Joe Schad reports that Arkansas Offensive Coordinator Gus Malzahn has aggreed to become the Co-offensive coordinator for the University of Tulsa.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 12:23:43 pm
So he is still answerable to someone else, and he has a co-coordinator.  Three minds to mess it up.    Hey it's Tulsa, way down the list on the school of major football schools. 
I'll bet that if McFadden stays they play in a better bowl in 2008 yes.  And I'll consider just a bet on that, let me think a few minutes.  I have to take a look at strength of schedule and see how many high school teams Tulsa is playing.
I'm thinking there'll be some NCAA sanctions by that time for improprieties.

BTW, why do folks automatically assume Gus left on his own free will.  You'll hear in the next day or two he was "dismissed".
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: HA_Fan on January 15, 2007, 12:25:27 pm
I havent seen the report that he is the Asst. Coach but on the bottom line on ESPN and on ESPNEWS it says that Joe Schad reports that Arkansas Offensive Coordinator Gus Malzahn has aggreed to become the Co-offensive coordinator for the University of Tulsa.

Tulsa's official athletic website says he is also Assistant Head Coach.

http://tulsahurricane.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/011507aaa.html
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: not ray on January 15, 2007, 12:25:46 pm
I have to laugh at the above post calling him the National Coordinator of the year.  That was by Rivals.com and that as far as naming for National Awards is pretty dang small.  Had he won the Broyles award it might have meant a little more.  Fact is this school was around big time football long before Gus was even thought of a high school coach.  It is big time and remain that way for a long time.  I am pretty sure it will survive the losing of a former high school coach after only on year.  I don't disagree that Gus is not a good coach, but a lot of folks need to get off their knees and stop worshipping Gus and his abilities.  I just wonder when Rev. Floyd made his announcement last year right after Gus was hired by Arkansas that he felt Gus was ordained to call plays for the Hogs.  I wonder if God gave him an over under on the amount of time he would stay.  Another thought might be I wonder how many recruits Gus had on the line now feel as if the were "lied to" or "sold a bill of goods"?  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 12:26:01 pm
Beck has spoken...ESPN Article was updated
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2731782
Quote
"This breaks my heart," Campbell said. "We're going to have to sit down and talk about it. Classes start tomorrow and I don't know what he'll do."

Campbell said her son will not necessarily follow Malzahn to Tulsa, if he opts to transfer.

"He and Gus are not tied at the hip," Campbell said. "But he knows what he's capable of and what his vision for offensive football at Arkansas was. Now you'll have to wonder if that will go by the wayside."
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: nfblaze on January 15, 2007, 12:26:16 pm
So the obvious question is if you are the offensive coordinator at a top 25 school in the SEC, why would you leave to be the co-offensive coordinator at a middle-of-the-road school in Conference USA?

Does anyone still think he had much control over play calling or the offense?
I said all season that he did NOT call the plays. Gus did not care about money, or else he wouldn't have made this move. If this doesn't open some of your eyes I don't know what will. Houston NUTT is PATHETIC..He didn't let him install his offense, which was pretty much the same offense that won the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP..People need to realize that Nutt is bringing this program down. Damian Williams transferred for a reason, more details will come out once Malzahn goes on record.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 12:28:01 pm
I havent seen the report that he is the Asst. Coach but on the bottom line on ESPN and on ESPNEWS it says that Joe Schad reports that Arkansas Offensive Coordinator Gus Malzahn has aggreed to become the Co-offensive coordinator for the University of Tulsa.

Tulsa's official athletic website says he is also Assistant Head Coach.

http://tulsahurricane.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/011507aaa.html
"University of Arkansas offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn was named assistant head coach and co-offensive coordinator at The University of Tulsa today, Golden Hurricane Head Coach Todd Graham announced today."
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: nfblaze on January 15, 2007, 12:32:00 pm
There is a reason why Wood, Malzahn, and even Markuson was looking to get out. If Nutt gains playcalling again, we are in for a RUDE awakening..More like the past 9years..He's out at the end of next season.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: gameoflife on January 15, 2007, 12:32:58 pm
Do you think that the Malzahn offense wasn't installed because the QB's couldn't throw or read a defense?   
Hey, all you Gus bus lovers, have what you want.  If they win big, I'll congratualte him, if he doesn't are you going to lay blame? 
Tulsa is a program already on the winning track, Kragthrope had it winning an in the right direction for th past 4 years, so don't go on about how Gus is saving the probram or building it.  They have to do better than the average 7 wins a year to be better.   We will see.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: infinity41 on January 15, 2007, 12:35:24 pm
Where does David Lee coach right now?
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: not ray on January 15, 2007, 12:35:37 pm
I think maybe Gus was smart enough to see that with 2 sub-par QBs and one standout WR that tossing the ball 30 times a game would be a waste.  Lets just say that they did throw on average 30 times a game.  How do you really think they would have done given the way they threw the ball 15 times each game?  Taking away 15 carries from McFadden and Jones each game man that would have been genuis.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 12:36:33 pm
Where does David Lee coach right now?
David Lee enters into his fourth season with the Cowboys as an offensive assistant, overseeing the team's quality control efforts and working closely with the quarterbacks. He has helped guide the fortunes of three different starting quarterbacks in each of his three previous seasons: Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe. Each player threw for over 3,000 yards, including Bledsoe's 3,639 last season - the second best total in club history.

In 2005, Lee worked with quarterback Drew Bledsoe, who completed 300-of-499 passes for 3,639 yards and 23 touchdowns - the most since Troy Aikman threw 23 in 1992. Bledsoe finished the season with a passer rating of 83.7 which was the third best of his 13-year career. He continued to work with young back-up quarterbacks Tony Romo, who won the number two spot after a training camp battle with Drew Henson.

In 2004, Vinny Testaverde stepped into the starting signal caller role and finished the year with the third most passing yards (3,532) in club history. Lee's continual work with the mechanics of Tony Romo and Drew Henson had both prepared to serve as the team's second quarterback throughout the season.

His work with Quincy Carter in 2003 helped the Cowboys offense finish 15th overall in the NFL - a huge improvement from the 31st spot the club held in 2002 - while making their first playoff appearance since the 1999 season.

Lee came to Dallas with 28 years of coaching experience at the collegiate level, including five as a head coach (1989-93 at Texas El Paso) and eight as an offensive coordinator. During his career, nine of his former quarterbacks were drafted or signed as free agents in the NFL following their collegiate careers.

Prior to arriving in Dallas, Lee served as the quarterbacks coach at the University of Arkansas for two seasons, helping the Razorbacks to the 2002 Southeastern Conference Western Division title. In 2002, his work with Matt Jones saw the Arkansas quarterback throw for 1,413 yards and 16 touchdowns, the then fourth highest season total in Arkansas history. Jones - a 2005 first round draft choice of the Jacksonville Jaguars - also finished his career at Arkansas atop the SEC's all-time rushing list for quarterbacks.

Before moving to Arkansas, Lee served seven seasons at Rice University. In his tenure at Rice as offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach, the Owls racked up six of the school's top rushing totals. Rice ranked in the top 10 nationally in rushing three times during his stay. He also helped lead the Owls to a share of the Southwest Conference title in 1994 and their first win over Texas since 1965.

Lee was the head coach at Texas El Paso from 1989-93. He moved to UTEP after his first stint at the University of Arkansas, where he served as quarterbacks coach. Lee was part of Razorback teams that sported a 45-15-1 record and earned five straight bowl appearances. Included in that run was the 1986 season in which Arkansas quarterbacks threw just two interceptions (a SWC record) while helping the Hogs to a 10-2 record and an Orange Bowl appearance. Promoted to offensive coordinator in 1988, Lee helped engineer the Hogs first Southwest Conference title in nine years with an offensive unit that featured a pair of All-SWC sophomores, quarterback Quinn Grovey and fullback Barry Foster.

Lee began his coaching career at Tennessee-Martin (1975-76), where he tutored quarterbacks and receivers. After spending one season at Vanderbilt (1977) as quarterbacks coach, Lee moved to Ole Miss (1978-82) where he was in charge of the Rebels quarterbacks. In 1983, Lee was the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at New Mexico.

A three-year letterman at Vanderbilt, Lee served as team captain and was named the team's most valuable player in 1974 after quarterbacking the Commodores to a 7-3-2 record, including a 24-10 upset over fifth-ranked Florida. It was Vanderbilt's first win over the Gators in 15 years. Lee went on to lead the SEC in passing and guide his team to a 6-6 tie against Texas Tech in the Peach Bowl. Lee earned a bachelor's degree in history from Vanderbilt in 1975.

Born on July 2, 1953, in Cape Girardeau, Mo., Lee spent the first 12 years of his childhood in Dexter, Mo. He attended Woodham High School in Pensacola, Fla., where he graduated in 1971. Lee and his wife, Lynne, have four children - daughters Dana (4/3/79) and Shannon (9/16/84), and sons Brian (3/23/77) and Jordan (2/5/86).
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: gameoflife on January 15, 2007, 12:36:49 pm
Isn't he in the NFL? or did he leave there already?
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 12:37:04 pm
Where does David Lee coach right now?

Was with the Cowboys this past season..looks to be at Arkansas now....
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: T-Wacker on January 15, 2007, 12:37:34 pm
Hey it's Tulsa, way down the list on the school of major football schools. 
I have to take a look at strength of schedule and see how many high school teams Tulsa is playing.

It worked for Boise State, Louisville, Rutgers, and WV. They all played high school schedules and two of them played in the BCS, AHEAD of Arkansas!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 12:42:06 pm
If I recall correctly..in the book "Year Of The Dog" Gus told the players he would be here at least 3 years....now..people were griping saying Nutt lied to the players and he was a bad bad man and a liar for doing so..well..since Gus told the players that..and now has bailed..what does that make Gus?

Oh..Oh...I already know..you all will spin this into "Gus wasnt getting to call the plays yada yada yada and will do better yada yada yada in a weak conference.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: gameoflife on January 15, 2007, 12:42:26 pm
Yeah, but is Tulsa going to win 10 games or more?   Like I said if they do, I'll congratulate em.  If they do not are you going to lay blame on Gus?   He is being hired as OC by a head coach who is an acknowledged defensive guy, so Gus may have free reign and no one to blame if it goes to crap.  Will you acknowledge that?
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: zebradynasty on January 15, 2007, 12:42:36 pm
Well, well, well how the mighty have fallen! I believe just yesterday I posted the first coach needing to leave would be Gus. It was obvious that Gus was only hired to get the recruits. For everyone to act like he is getting shafted is funny! He knew he was not going to run his offense when he came here and he should have been the one that told the springdale kids this isn't game prep for Prescott!! Nutt and Frank run the the show! Nutt gets the blame as some god awful liar but really who do you think MM signed to play for Nutt or Gus? So who do you think lied to get him to sign? Gus new dammm well he was not ever going to run the spread with two all american running backs and a senior dominated offensive line. Surely a man that many believe is smart enough to have hung the moon knew that! Especially since I never saw one quote from Nutt saying UA would be a spread team.

Not only is this not the apocalypse a new a brighter day is shinning one not influence by a few select individuals from Springdale and the Hogs big time boosters. The situation was about to get out of control like at Alabama. Had it been Nutt's decision he would have NEVER hired Gus. If MM transfers let him but it is sure strange that a kid that had Notre Dame and Florida and others wanting him ends up at Tulsa! For those who say Florida won the Championship running Gus offense...BULL. Florida won because they had superior talent! They could have ran the wishbone and still beat Ohio by 14! Oh I guess their defense was OK! ::)
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: gameoflife on January 15, 2007, 12:43:44 pm
If I recall correctly..in the book "Year Of The Dog" Gus told the players he would be here at least 3 years....now..people were griping saying Nutt lied to the players and he was a bad bad man and a liar for doing so..well..since Gus told the players that..and now has bailed..what does that make Gus?

Oh..Oh...I already know..you all will spin this into "Gus wasnt getting to call the plays yada yada yada and will do better yada yada yada in a weak conference.

Got to agree here.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 12:45:12 pm
10/03/06 vs. Southern Miss *  Tulsa, Okla. W, 20-6
10/14/06 at East Carolina * Greenville, N.C. W, 31-10
10/21/06 at Memphis *  Memphis, Tenn. W, 35-14
10/27/06 vs. UTEP *  Tulsa, Okla. W, 30-20
11/04/06 at Houston *  Houston, Texas L, 27-10
11/11/06 vs. Rice * Tulsa, Okla. L, 41-38 (2OT)
11/18/06 at SMU * Dallas, Texas L, 34-24
11/24/06 vs. Tulane * Tulsa, Okla. W, 38-3

That's Tulsa's conference schedule.  Notice the 2OT loss vs Rice...where Tulsa's new HC was HC in 06.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 12:47:10 pm
If I recall correctly..in the book "Year Of The Dog" Gus told the players he would be here at least 3 years....now..people were griping saying Nutt lied to the players and he was a bad bad man and a liar for doing so..well..since Gus told the players that..and now has bailed..what does that make Gus?
I'm sure had Gus been told he wouldn't have total control of the offensive play calling he wouldn't have made the "3 year" statement, much less, come to Arkansas to begin with.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: infinity41 on January 15, 2007, 12:48:33 pm
Maybe things were as good as our ole boy Nutt made them out to be- he said in several interviews that things were great and you don't go 10-4 if your coaches don't get along, but......... Malzahn is gone, Woods would have been gone if he got the job at NC, we will see
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 12:48:56 pm
If I recall correctly..in the book "Year Of The Dog" Gus told the players he would be here at least 3 years....now..people were griping saying Nutt lied to the players and he was a bad bad man and a liar for doing so..well..since Gus told the players that..and now has bailed..what does that make Gus?
I'm sure had Gus been told he wouldn't have total control of the offensive play calling he wouldn't have made the "3 year" statement, much less, come to Arkansas to begin with.

OK..then he is STILL a liar..I mean..you all say he didnt have control of the offense..yet he said he had control of it and was the one calling the plays...and it was obvious in the Bowl game especially..like said above..we didnt have a decent QB or receiver corps..we HAD to use DMAC and Jones...either way..Gus is a liar.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: invictus on January 15, 2007, 12:50:20 pm
Like the three Springdale whiners, he was overrated. It won't be hard to replace him with quality, especially when we have the best RB in the country. Now, if he will just take Mustain and Cleveland with him, we might have peace on the team. McFadden IS a prima donna but doesn't act like one. Mustain and Cleveland just act like one.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Majique™ on January 15, 2007, 12:51:57 pm
If I recall correctly..in the book "Year Of The Dog" Gus told the players he would be here at least 3 years....now..people were griping saying Nutt lied to the players and he was a bad bad man and a liar for doing so..well..since Gus told the players that..and now has bailed..what does that make Gus?
I'm sure had Gus been told he wouldn't have total control of the offensive play calling he wouldn't have made the "3 year" statement, much less, come to Arkansas to begin with.

yet he said he had control of it and was the one calling the plays
Ah, the ol' "coach's speak".  Guess he'll get bashed for trying to take some of the heat off the head coach.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: T-Wacker on January 15, 2007, 12:58:49 pm
Like the three Springdale whiners, he was overrated. It won't be hard to replace him with quality, especially when we have the best RB in the country. Now, if he will just take Mustain and Cleveland with him, we might have peace on the team. McFadden IS a prima donna but doesn't act like one. Mustain and Cleveland just act like one.

You would think some of you would learn a lesson! What if Tulsa turns into the next Boise State? Will all of you disappear and never admit that you were wrong about Gus? I remember the majority of you Einsteins on here stating that DMac would never play running back at Arkansas, maybe in the secondary. Remember that? It is obvious that few of the posters on here really understand football on the level of Gus or even Nutt (myself included). So why make an butt out of yourself and make statements about whether someone will succeed of fail? He has been considerably successful at every level, except maybe at Arkansas (under Nutt!), so chances are, he will be successful at Tulsa. Best to wait and see.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: olddog79 on January 15, 2007, 01:03:59 pm
IMO, Gus sees this Tulsa job as next the next stepping stone to a BIG D-1 job.
I doubt that he stays very long. He plans on being the next Steve Spurrier and will do WHATEVER it takes to get there.

I'm not a big fan of him personally...but I believe he will be successful wherever he goes.

Arkansas' loss...Tulsa's gain.   Spin it anyway you want, but this isn't going to help our program.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 01:06:28 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.    
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Footballer on January 15, 2007, 01:09:09 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.    

He was calling pre-approved plays.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 01:15:41 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.   

He was calling pre-approved plays.

Can you PROVE that..dont give me speculation..give me PROOF.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 01:17:41 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.   

He was calling pre-approved plays.

Can you PROVE that..dont give me speculation..give me PROOF.
Yea, I am tired of this being said too. Malzahn may not have had as much control as he wanted, but he did call most of the plays. He had enough control over this offense.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 01:18:59 pm
I'm willing to bet that UA has a better record and gets a better bowl bid next season than Tulsa.  
You're probably right.  I said on another thread.  Saban will have a better record over two years than Nutt.  Not sure on record but it's apples to oranges on UA vs Tulsa.  I bet Gus steals some recruits from nutts. 
So the obvious question is if you are the offensive coordinator at a top 25 school in the SEC, why would you leave to be the co-offensive coordinator at a middle-of-the-road school in Conference USA?

Does anyone still think he had much control over play calling or the offense?
The guy is a football coach and was used to get 5 kids from Springdale.  The NCAA investigation will show that.  He wants to run a football team.  In Tulsa he can do that.  He'll progress farther faster if he can run a division 1 show.  He wasn't taken seriously at Arkansas and Gus will have the last laugh down the road.   Nutt and his mini-me Frank have a problem with "keeping their word".   Screw UofA, they're getting what the deserve now.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 01:19:36 pm
Well Grit, Trey Biddy are spinning it already. Grit is saying Gus being forces on HDN was not fair.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 01:23:32 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.    
Well said homer.  I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year.  I think what Gus did was great.  He was told one thing and got another.  It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to.  I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 01:26:20 pm
I hope Notre Dame inherits the worlds worst case of herpes ::) Frick off.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 01:28:48 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.   
Well said homer.  I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year.  I think what Gus did was great.  He was told one thing and got another.  It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to.  I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.

Just like the typical idots from Spingdale..What did Gus and his wanna be crew of players prove this year other than they had a sub-par QB that couldnt do crap at the next level (Just like ALL of Gus' previous QB's before him)Gus' system couldnt work because his players he brought with him were less than sub-par to SEC standards?Mustain was all everything in high school and didnt do crap this year..McFadden,Jones,the O line and the D is what got this team where it went this year.

Gus is a smart man though..he knows he can go to a smaller conference where the tallent level isnt as good..and if he does good..the people in Arkansas will be in the "I told you so mode" when in all reality..HE WASNT MAN ENOUGH TO STEP UP TO A SEC CHALLENGE..so he ran out.

Now..go find another team besides the Razorbacks to cheer for...we are finding out who the TRUE fans are.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 01:29:32 pm
SCS, WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT MY POST OR THE RAZORBACKS. A TRUE FAN WILL STILL BACK THEM WHEN THEY ARE 5-5. HOW MANY FANS DO YOU SUPPOSE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW TULSA WHEN THEY ARE 5-5? HOW MANY FANS IN FACT DOES TULSA HAVE? I BET THEY PACK THE STANDS WITH 10,000 EVERY GAME. THE REAL JOKE IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HATE A PERSON OR TEAM AND SPEND THEIR EFFORTS SPREADING IT MORE THAN JUST THE ONCE. YOUR ONE STATEMENT THAT YOU HATE THE RAZORBACKS WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTED AND MORE THAN ENOUGH. WHAT SCHOOL IS IT YOU ARE SUCH A GRAND ALUM?
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 01:31:03 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.   
Well said homer.  I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year.  I think what Gus did was great.  He was told one thing and got another.  It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to.  I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.
I hope you learn a little more about the sport moron. We play 12 games. Where are the other 2 games? If we went 5-5 then that would only be 10 games. Also, you must have 6 wins to go to a bowl game. If we went 5-5 we wouldn't be playing in a Music City or GMAC Bow.

How do you know Malzahn was lied to? You don't know anymore than the guy you responded to knows I am sure. Malzahn already came out in the news paper and said everything was a lie and that he loves his job and has full control of the offense. Why would he say that if he hates his job anyways and plans on leaving? He left because he has a better job offered. He is Assistant Head Coach at Tulsa. It is a step closer to his dream.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: wheeels on January 15, 2007, 01:33:37 pm
 Gus said earlier that he was the person calling the plays but he must have said it to keep the lions away. I dont think you leave Arkansas for Tulsa if you are in complete control of Arkansas offense. Will be interesting to see what happens next and which players and recruits transfer to another school.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: not ray on January 15, 2007, 01:37:35 pm
Bingo!!!!!!!!!   A lie is a lie.  Or maybe things change after the fact. 
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 01:41:38 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.   
Well said homer.  I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year.  I think what Gus did was great.  He was told one thing and got another.  It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to.  I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.

Just like the typical idots from Spingdale..What did Gus and his wanna be crew of players prove this year other than they had a sub-par QB that couldnt do crap at the next level (Just like ALL of Gus' previous QB's before him)Gus' system couldnt work because his players he brought with him were less than sub-par to SEC standards?Mustain was all everything in high school and didnt do crap this year..McFadden,Jones,the O line and the D is what got this team where it went this year.

Gus is a smart man though..he knows he can go to a smaller conference where the tallent level isnt as good..and if he does good..the people in Arkansas will be in the "I told you so mode" when in all reality..HE WASNT MAN ENOUGH TO STEP UP TO A SEC CHALLENGE..so he ran out.

Now..go find another team besides the Razorbacks to cheer for...we are finding out who the TRUE fans are.
Good point.  I never have been a fan of the UofA.  I've said before it's a tier 2 program.  However, I was one of those that fell to intrigue this year because of the Springdale connection etc..  I went to more UofA games last year, because of that, then before.  I'm not alone in this stay with me. I will NEVER go to a football game now because of how this entire thing was handled.  It's a national joke.
Do you think it was odd they put the extra stands on the roof of the stadium the year the Springdale kids and coach came to the University?  No it wasn't, they expected the fan base to go up locally and help recruiting.
So now we're back to the loyal, alumni mostly, fan base.  Tier 2 program, with a regional impact.  Think about what I'm saying, don't just get mad.
You lost all those people that were on the fence.  I hope the NCAA comes in to investigate this mess. 
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 01:44:04 pm
SCS, WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT MY POST OR THE RAZORBACKS. A TRUE FAN WILL STILL BACK THEM WHEN THEY ARE 5-5. HOW MANY FANS DO YOU SUPPOSE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW TULSA WHEN THEY ARE 5-5? HOW MANY FANS IN FACT DOES TULSA HAVE? I BET THEY PACK THE STANDS WITH 10,000 EVERY GAME. THE REAL JOKE IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HATE A PERSON OR TEAM AND SPEND THEIR EFFORTS SPREADING IT MORE THAN JUST THE ONCE. YOUR ONE STATEMENT THAT YOU HATE THE RAZORBACKS WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTED AND MORE THAN ENOUGH. WHAT SCHOOL IS IT YOU ARE SUCH A GRAND ALUM?
Why are you using this as a chance to slam Tulsa?  What have they done?  This is about Houton gone Nutts and his mini-me sidekick Frank B..  They lied and it's going to hurt the UofA.  The fact Gus did leave UofA for Tulsa should say something there.  He wanted OUT of here.  He's not the only one.  Watch. 
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 01:46:41 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.   
Well said homer.  I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year.  I think what Gus did was great.  He was told one thing and got another.  It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to.  I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.
I hope you learn a little more about the sport moron. We play 12 games. Where are the other 2 games? If we went 5-5 then that would only be 10 games. Also, you must have 6 wins to go to a bowl game. If we went 5-5 we wouldn't be playing in a Music City or GMAC Bow.

How do you know Malzahn was lied to? You don't know anymore than the guy you responded to knows I am sure. Malzahn already came out in the news paper and said everything was a lie and that he loves his job and has full control of the offense. Why would he say that if he hates his job anyways and plans on leaving? He left because he has a better job offered. He is Assistant Head Coach at Tulsa. It is a step closer to his dream.
I love it.  Okay, I hope they go .500.  Make you feel better?  I do agree with you that it's a better situation for him in Tulsa.  Much better and yes, closer to his dream.  He's also in a place where he can run his offense.  Just like he was told he could here.  I wish him well.  I also hope all the "verbal commits" to Arkansas take notice.  Run, don't walk. 
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 01:47:46 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.   
Well said homer.  I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year.  I think what Gus did was great.  He was told one thing and got another.  It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to.  I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.
I hope you learn a little more about the sport moron. We play 12 games. Where are the other 2 games? If we went 5-5 then that would only be 10 games. Also, you must have 6 wins to go to a bowl game. If we went 5-5 we wouldn't be playing in a Music City or GMAC Bow.

How do you know Malzahn was lied to? You don't know anymore than the guy you responded to knows I am sure. Malzahn already came out in the news paper and said everything was a lie and that he loves his job and has full control of the offense. Why would he say that if he hates his job anyways and plans on leaving? He left because he has a better job offered. He is Assistant Head Coach at Tulsa. It is a step closer to his dream.
I love it.  Okay, I hope they go .500.  Make you feel better?  I do agree with you that it's a better situation for him in Tulsa.  Much better and yes, closer to his dream.  He's also in a place where he can run his offense.  Just like he was told he could here.  I wish him well.  I also hope all the "verbal commits" to Arkansas take notice.  Run, don't walk. 

Like I said..he didnt step up to a challenge..he had to go somewhere where there is less talent playing against him.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 15, 2007, 01:48:08 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.   
Well said homer.  I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year.  I think what Gus did was great.  He was told one thing and got another.  It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to.  I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.

Just like the typical idots from Spingdale..What did Gus and his wanna be crew of players prove this year other than they had a sub-par QB that couldnt do crap at the next level (Just like ALL of Gus' previous QB's before him)Gus' system couldnt work because his players he brought with him were less than sub-par to SEC standards?Mustain was all everything in high school and didnt do crap this year..McFadden,Jones,the O line and the D is what got this team where it went this year.

Gus is a smart man though..he knows he can go to a smaller conference where the tallent level isnt as good..and if he does good..the people in Arkansas will be in the "I told you so mode" when in all reality..HE WASNT MAN ENOUGH TO STEP UP TO A SEC CHALLENGE..so he ran out.

Now..go find another team besides the Razorbacks to cheer for...we are finding out who the TRUE fans are.
Good point.  I never have been a fan of the UofA.  I've said before it's a tier 2 program.  However, I was one of those that fell to intrigue this year because of the Springdale connection etc..  I went to more UofA games last year, because of that, then before.  I'm not alone in this stay with me. I will NEVER go to a football game now because of how this entire thing was handled.  It's a national joke.
Do you think it was odd they put the extra stands on the roof of the stadium the year the Springdale kids and coach came to the University?  No it wasn't, they expected the fan base to go up locally and help recruiting.
So now we're back to the loyal, alumni mostly, fan base.  Tier 2 program, with a regional impact.  Think about what I'm saying, don't just get mad.
You lost all those people that were on the fence.  I hope the NCAA comes in to investigate this mess. 
Do you honestly think that? The reason they put those there was to make more room for people during the USC game. It had nothing to do with the Springdale crew. When Texas played here a few years ago there were so many people outside of the stadium trying to get seats. They tried to add more seats because the USC game was going to be one of the biggest games  played in Fayetteville just based on what they did to us last year and their ranking at the time.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 01:56:26 pm
I think it is ridiculous to blame anyone for this decision other than Gus just like it was with Damian Williams. Did Houston Nutt or Frank Broyles owe something to Gus more than he received? He was a HIGH SCHOOL football coach and given the opportunity to coach at a Division I university. If anyone watched the bowl game it was obvious Gus was calling the plays. I dont care if it was from a selection sheet with 3 plays. He obviously was calling the plays. With that in mind it was a poor selection of play calling. During the bowl game we did not run the wildcat offense during the first half, we did not utilize a swing pass out of the backfield, and we did not find a way to get the ball to our best receiver. Some of the Springdale geniuses will have to refresh my memory but isnt that a by product of Gus's offense? All of the ones putting the blame on Nutt 100% are you saying that Gus could not run these three plays in the first half of the bowl game? We ran the wildcat all year and it would be bizarre if all of a sudden Nutt pulled it off the play book. Personally I wish Gus the best luck and hope he finds happiness wherever he goes. I also think it is a major mistake and one that he will look back on in regret for time to come.   
Well said homer.  I sure hope you have fun writing that Alumni check each year.  I think what Gus did was great.  He was told one thing and got another.  It doesn't matter that he was a HS coach, what matters is he was lied to.  I hope the UofA goes 5 - 5 from now until the year 3000 and lose every Music City or GMAC Bowl They're in.

Just like the typical idots from Spingdale..What did Gus and his wanna be crew of players prove this year other than they had a sub-par QB that couldnt do crap at the next level (Just like ALL of Gus' previous QB's before him)Gus' system couldnt work because his players he brought with him were less than sub-par to SEC standards?Mustain was all everything in high school and didnt do crap this year..McFadden,Jones,the O line and the D is what got this team where it went this year.

Gus is a smart man though..he knows he can go to a smaller conference where the tallent level isnt as good..and if he does good..the people in Arkansas will be in the "I told you so mode" when in all reality..HE WASNT MAN ENOUGH TO STEP UP TO A SEC CHALLENGE..so he ran out.

Now..go find another team besides the Razorbacks to cheer for...we are finding out who the TRUE fans are.
Good point.  I never have been a fan of the UofA.  I've said before it's a tier 2 program.  However, I was one of those that fell to intrigue this year because of the Springdale connection etc..  I went to more UofA games last year, because of that, then before.  I'm not alone in this stay with me. I will NEVER go to a football game now because of how this entire thing was handled.  It's a national joke.
Do you think it was odd they put the extra stands on the roof of the stadium the year the Springdale kids and coach came to the University?  No it wasn't, they expected the fan base to go up locally and help recruiting.
So now we're back to the loyal, alumni mostly, fan base.  Tier 2 program, with a regional impact.  Think about what I'm saying, don't just get mad.
You lost all those people that were on the fence.  I hope the NCAA comes in to investigate this mess. 
Do you honestly think that? The reason they put those there was to make more room for people during the USC game. It had nothing to do with the Springdale crew. When Texas played here a few years ago there were so many people outside of the stadium trying to get seats. They tried to add more seats because the USC game was going to be one of the biggest games  played in Fayetteville just based on what they did to us last year and their ranking at the time.
I also was at the USC game, because of the Springdale connection.  All I know is I doubt they will need them again unless we're to open as another teams patsy game next year.
The funniest thing I heard after the USC game was a person say...  "All good schools open with a patsy to get the season off right.  We just didn't realize we were USC's patsy".

You're all wearing me down today.  I think the UofA got EXACTLY what it deserved, and I guess wanted.  They have a new OC and Nutt until 2012.  Good luck boys.  Keep supporting them and be a hog to the grave.   
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 02:00:03 pm
Springdale, the Juggernaut of the football world. What would the U of A do without them? Now that is the joke SCS. As a Razorback fan I truly hope you are right and not only the Springdale connection but anyone that is not committed to the U of A leave and leave immediately.  
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 02:02:46 pm
Springdale, the Juggernaut of the football world. What would the U of A do without them? Now that is the joke SCS. As a Razorback fan I truly hope you are right and not only the Springdale connection but anyone that is not committed to the U of A leave and leave immediately.  
Say what you want before they started winning, who had the Hogs in the national press?  It wasn't Nutts.  It was the new OC and the "Springdale" connection.  Don't worry, it will go back to what it was before Sprindale ruined the UofA.  Right back to Houston Nutts football and all the national recruits that flow in here on a regular basis.  It will be back to Razorback football.  The best sport in a 200 mile radius.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: invictus on January 15, 2007, 02:04:36 pm
Gus said earlier that he was the person calling the plays but he must have said it to keep the lions away. I dont think you leave Arkansas for Tulsa if you are in complete control of Arkansas offense. Will be interesting to see what happens next and which players and recruits transfer to another school.

I don't see many players (especially any of quality) leaving the U of A to follow Malzahn to Tulsa. He has taken a step down so why would a player who has a chance to play in the SEC. I don't think we will lose any recruits as well. Again, why play for a mid-major when you have a chance to play in the SEC. As was readily apparent this year, the SEC is the premier football conference in America. If you can play there, you have to be a top level player. I believe Malzahn was a pleasant surprise. Quite frankly, I never expected him to succeed after making such a big jump. I think he did well, though I do believe that he was somewhat over his head in the SEC. Like Mustain, I believe he was surprised by the quickness of the players. I'm sure that Coach Nutt and Coach Woods called a good portion of the plays. They had the experience at that level and I don't think our success would have been as good if Malzahn had been left alone to call all plays.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: gameoflife on January 15, 2007, 02:08:42 pm
I have said it several times.  If Tulsa wins 10 games and goes to a BCS under Malzahn I'll give congratulations.  I just want you guys to put the blame on him if the offensive is not productive to that standard.   
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 02:11:40 pm
SCS = SHILOH CHRISTIAN SAINTS. No wonder you hate the Razorbacks and love Gus. Gus made Shiloh. I can't remember but were they playing in 1A or 2A when Gus was there? He did a great job and won several state championships. He did such a great job that he was promoted the big high school in town. Did he win one or two state championships there? I dont recall. The national press? Wasn't that Matt Jones when he was here and McFadden now? The only thing the Springdale connection did for the U of A was make it a laughing stock for a week when momma and her whiny boy cried to Broyles. What a joke!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 02:14:45 pm
Gus owns Shiloh.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RGP on January 15, 2007, 02:16:47 pm
Gus said earlier that he was the person calling the plays but he must have said it to keep the lions away. I dont think you leave Arkansas for Tulsa if you are in complete control of Arkansas offense. Will be interesting to see what happens next and which players and recruits transfer to another school.
Bingo!!!!!!!!!   A lie is a lie.  Or maybe things change after the fact. 
There comes a point when you have to decide what is a classy move and what is just flat out lying...I don't know what the deal is here...too much shady things going on at the Hill for me to take a guess...
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: invictus on January 15, 2007, 02:17:39 pm
I have said it several times.  If Tulsa wins 10 games and goes to a BCS under Malzahn I'll give congratulations.  I just want you guys to put the blame on him if the offensive is not productive to that standard.   

I agree. You win at the top level with top players. There aren't many knocking down the doors to go to Tulsa.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 02:18:41 pm
I have said it several times.  If Tulsa wins 10 games and goes to a BCS under Malzahn I'll give congratulations.  I just want you guys to put the blame on him if the offensive is not productive to that standard.   

I agree. You win at the top level with top players. There aren't many knocking down the doors to go to Tulsa.
Not yet.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: fbhound on January 15, 2007, 02:21:45 pm
How do we get rid of Broyles? Now is time for Chancellor White to try to get Frank out. He will have a LOT of support this time for sure!!
Lindsey needs to go OFF the U of A Trustee Board He supports his former "coach" to much, even during bad times of meddling in football affairs. The new govenor can make this happen, UNappoint him.
Recruiting is going to suffer BIG TIME - Transfers and reversal of AR commitments will KILL the program for years to come .. The NCAA investigation of 3-4 years ago (BROYLES involved in that too) will look like small potatoes compared to the damage of today.
Nutt needs to go.. This will take guts of Lindsey and Broyles. Won't happen, therefore!! What will do the trick is for Foundation funds to drop 30-40% and then the U of A may fire Broyles for incompetence in management...
I have given up my Foundation relationship of 40+ years today - They won't miss my Broyles-Matthews money but multiply me by 2000-3000 other former fans and you can see the $millions down the drain.  No more money to hire and fire at will by Broyles. No more freeby perks for Frank.. Frank is so lonely without constant positive strokes from former players and present co-workers. Funny thing is that they ALL talk behind his back about his deteorating mental capacity and ego. heck, he is NOT, repeat NOT, a coach now.. Lighten up.  He has just turned into a bad AD and will be remembered for this fiasco instead of good things of a few years ago.
FAIRWELL to Nutt, Lindsey and Broyles - I am outta here for good.
C W
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: gameoflife on January 15, 2007, 02:27:36 pm
In the end it will come down to winning in 2007.  If that happens no body will care that Gus is gone except the die hard Gus fan.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 02:33:25 pm
fbhound, are you from Springdale by chance? Things dont go in YOUR favor and you quit. I am looking for the day when all the quiters are gone. I bet the U of A will survive without you buddy!
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Ken Griffey Jr. on January 15, 2007, 02:36:01 pm
http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=62745.0
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: not ray on January 15, 2007, 02:36:25 pm
I have said it several times.  If Tulsa wins 10 games and goes to a BCS under Malzahn I'll give congratulations.  I just want you guys to put the blame on him if the offensive is not productive to that standard.   

I agree. You win at the top level with top players. There aren't many knocking down the doors to go to Tulsa.
Not yet.

Just never will.  They may get the occasional big time recruit.  But they are in the same state with 2 big time D-1 schools and one of those is one of the most successful ever. 
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 02:38:18 pm
Just heard on Sports in Fort, not confirming, but this guy said he had lunch with some Insiders, Gus and Alex were shown the door and blamed Gus for all the drama, and was asked to find another job, so his career would not be ruined.
Title: Malzahn
Post by: busta on January 15, 2007, 02:45:15 pm
Is this a cover up move, a firing of the Offensive Coordinator, or a legitimate shot at another coaching job?
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 02:45:45 pm
Gus owns Shiloh.

Totty owns Gus ;D
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: invictus on January 15, 2007, 02:46:30 pm
fbhound, are you from Springdale by chance? Things dont go in YOUR favor and you quit. I am looking for the day when all the quiters are gone. I bet the U of A will survive without you buddy!

Exactly. I'm renewing my Broyles-Mathews money this year (would have done it no matter who the coaches are/arent). I haven't been giving for 40+ years so maybe I'll have a better chance to move up in seating with fbhound gone. The Razorback program has survived many challenges in its history (losing a coach one year out of HS doesn't count as a big challenge to me) and it will survive this one. Say what you want about Coach Broyles, but he is one of, if not the most, respected AD's among his peers. Yes, maybe he micomanages a little too much at time, but just walk around the campus and look at the facilities that have been built in his tenure. We are second to nobody. That includes baseball, track, basketball, football and on an on. If fbhound doen't attend the games next year, I can almost assure you that there will be someone there to buy his seat. Ten wins, a possible Heisman Trophy and three or four first team all-Americans are a real possibility. We had those before Malzahn came and we will have them after he is gone.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: not ray on January 15, 2007, 02:47:50 pm
This is just something that had to happen.  It was a forced marriage to begin with.  I have said it before and I am saying it again.  There is not one man worth his salt that would have allowed Gus to come in and take things over when he was forced on the boss.  Anyone who in their given job would allow that to happen just is not much of a man.  Now I think that the reason that  Houston was in this spot to begin with is because he had a lack of backbone when he first got to Arkansas.  Many firings and hirings have been done by phone and an inability to look certain men in the face when he fired them.  That is just part of the game.  But like I said.  No way in hades are you bringing in the high school book writing pass expert and one uping me.  I'll burn him at every turn because I AM THE BOSS. 
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: not ray on January 15, 2007, 02:48:39 pm
Did anyone else hear about the moon landing?  Or was that just a cover up also?
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RGP on January 15, 2007, 02:49:14 pm
http://www.5newsonline.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=1173248&h1=VIDEO%3A%205Sports%20Director%20Mike%20Irwin%20comments%20about%20Malzahn%20leaving%20Arkansas.&vt1=v&at1=Sport&d1=149033&LaunchPageAdTag=Homepage&activePane=info&playerVersion=9&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.5newsonline.com/&rnd=44609926
This is all I have right now on what the big time media has to say about it. Can't wait to hear what Chuck and Shaeffer have to say...
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 02:50:56 pm
There is "speculation" that Malzahn was fired and that the U of A already has a replacement in David Lee
Title: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 02:53:24 pm
Lets see where everyone stands.

With me, this is a lot more complex than any of us will ever know.  Everyone "knows" this and "knows that", but in reality we know very little.  This was evident in how quickly Gus managed to take a job before most even knew that he was looking or the opportunity presented itself.  Just last week, he said all the proper things and appeared to be satisfied/content/happy with his comments.  Now he's gone.

If you have a better reasonable option.  Simply post it.  Try to be civil and limit your comments to a paragraph without straying to long speculations.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 02:58:45 pm
HOUSTON NUTT STATEMENT ON GUS MALZAHN’S HIRING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TULSA
 

          FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. – Arkansas offensive coordinator and wide receivers coach Gus Malzahn was announced as the new assistant head coach and co-offensive coordinator at the University of Tulsa on Monday morning. Arkansas head coach Houston Nutt was out of town recruiting on Monday, but issued this brief statement regarding Malzahn’s hiring at Tulsa.

 

          “Gus Malzahn has resigned his position at the University of Arkansas to become the assistant head coach and co-offensive coordinator at the University of Tulsa. We are very appreciative of the many contributions Gus made to our staff and to our program during his tenure with the Razorbacks. In his first season as a coach at the collegiate level, he was an integral part of a team that won 10 games and won an SEC Western Division championship. I wish him nothing but the best both personally and professionally as he takes on his new role.”
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RGP on January 15, 2007, 03:01:00 pm
I started a thread with that link a couple of minutes ago
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: fbhound on January 15, 2007, 03:02:01 pm
fbhound, are you from Springdale by chance? Things dont go in YOUR favor and you quit. I am looking for the day when all the quiters are gone. I bet the U of A will survive without you buddy!
Off base by a mile. I am in north central AR ole' buddy.
And the way YOU talk you are definitely slanted toward the Razorbacks as if nothing done on the "Hill" is wrong. My opinion is shared by 90% of the "fans" out there, based on talk shows and on-line chat rooms today. Many are fans who are just finally FED UP with accepting the excuses given by others (the minority).
Now, you played at the U of A.. Great for you. I played at an SEC school but was born and raised in AR, just got to walk on and play for a fine academic school. I am qualified to criticize, being a citizen of this state all my life and being a contributor to the U of A, not my old college where I first started my vocational training... I graduated from the U of A with a PhD.  So, I am not from Springdale, do not particularly like Malzahn per se but do NOT like what has happened to the U of A sports programs with Broyles at the helm. To the vast majority of us, enough is enough and it's my money to support with or not.
   Having said that, are you Houston Nutt or some coach up there?!! Sure sounds like it. Bet you live a block from the stadium ...
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: not ray on January 15, 2007, 03:06:05 pm
There was always speculation that the whole "Moon landing" was done on a sound stage in LA.  So what does everyone else think.  Or should I just attach my posts here to the other threads about this topic?
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 03:08:05 pm
fbhound, you are correct in that it is your money and you can criticize. I am not a large Houston Nutt fan over the years but can find no blame in him for this one. The whole perceived atmosphere created after the Springdale group meeting makes me sour on anything having to do with Springdale at the U of A. I would disagree in that 90% of the fans are disgusted with the Razorbacks. I feel like 90% are ecstatic over the 10 wins this year and the other 10% would be unhappy regardless. Contrary to popular belief 90% of fans are not voiced on this or any message board. 
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: not ray on January 15, 2007, 03:09:33 pm
A large percent of the people that frequent the message boards and call in to the radio shows are likely fed up, but they make a very minor part of the entire fan base.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RGP on January 15, 2007, 03:12:31 pm
FIRE NUTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your a little late, tiger.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: C_A_Morris on January 15, 2007, 03:14:50 pm
Facebook group (http://saumag.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2229276195) on the issue.

Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: R. A.™ on January 15, 2007, 03:14:56 pm
I can't believe this, I just can't believe it, what is the connection with Gus and the HC to be named Assistant HC and Co-OC?


Good Luck to Gus and the Family

Gus I hope you know what you are doing!!

Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 03:14:58 pm
This stuff is simply starting to get old.  Whether you are Nutt lover or a Nutt basher, this last year has simply been bizarre.  From the recruiting frenzy of the SD gang to the rocky season opener to the exciting mid-season run to the disappointing end to the reg season to the parent meeting with JFB to DW's departure and subsequent speculation to a bowl game loss to Gus's departure, it's been a roller coaster that Disney World would be proud to have in it's theme park.  It was a solid warning signal when many fans were not enjoying the success during the season.  The QB debate and other basically trivial issues created unrest and destroyed what should have been a really enjoyable season.

Shame on all of us!  Our collective chatroom banter and call-in radio talk shows have created a monster that gobbles up everything in it's path.  There are very few good days.  The negativity and speculation that has engulfed every single aspect of the daily workings within and around the football program is simply ridiculous.

Blame Nutt. Blame Gus. Blame Beck.  Blame Frank.  Blame FF.  Blame Drivetime Sports.  Blame Springdale.  Blame your next door neighbor's best friends girl friends dad's boss.  But above all, blame ourselves.  We have created this mess.  Big plus to HN and GM for keeping their private issues out of the public eye.  Shame on me for posting this!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: fbhound on January 15, 2007, 03:20:17 pm
The whole perceived atmosphere created after the Springdale group meeting makes me sour on anything having to do with Springdale at the U of A. I would disagree in that 90% of the fans are disgusted with the Razorbacks. I feel like 90% are ecstatic over the 10 wins this year and the other 10% would be unhappy regardless. Contrary to popular belief 90% of fans are not voiced on this or any message board. 
  BUT, you forget we should have won at least two of those final 3 games (I was at all three) and THAT would have been something to be proud of!
Ecstatic is not what I feel after those last 3 losses, mostly due to a non functional passing attack and not the fault of Fish for the punt fumble. Which brings up another coach that needs to go, the special teams director general, Shibest. How many consecutive games do we need a punt blocked before we cover correctly? Who ever heard of a center snapper grabbing a face mask at a critical time?  This year, after being GIVEN two games at Vandy and here against AL, should have been 12-2 at worst. Just a play here and play there (as Nutt said) could have made a difference.. Well you can say that about almost ANY game where you lose by < 7 points (LSU and Wisconsin)..
It is not what we did as much as what we SHOULD have done, given to close games... Run 3 and punt. Sound familiar Frank?
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: invictus on January 15, 2007, 03:22:08 pm
A large percent of the people that frequent the message boards and call in to the radio shows are likely fed up, but they make a very minor part of the entire fan base.

I very much agree. I had a political consultant tell me once that 10% of the people love you no matter what, 10% hate you and the other 80% are just along for the ride. If 90% of the fans are fed up for real, the stands will be empty next year because Coach Broyles will still be AD and Coach Nutt will still be the head coach on the way to another 10 win season. If fbhound is right, there will be some great seats up for grabs! I'll be first in line.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Garo on January 15, 2007, 03:22:40 pm
My thought is this...you don't want to be a team player...good luck on your future.  Don't care where any of em go.  Good riddance!!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: R. A.™ on January 15, 2007, 03:23:52 pm
I will be first in line to grab any great seats that come up available also!!!
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 03:25:14 pm
fbhound, I am starting to agree with you! However, I do not see where it is time to drop support for the Razorbacks over a season where they won the SEC West. If we dont win the SEC West and the overall SEC championship next year then maybe it is time to back up and re-evaluate things.
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 03:27:17 pm
Who is Malzahn?
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 03:28:54 pm
Is this a cover up move, a firing of the Offensive Coordinator, or a legitimate shot at another coaching job?
Idiot.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: fbhound on January 15, 2007, 03:31:06 pm
Forked Tongue:  You give me $1.35 million a year and you deserve to attack anything I do, any play I call, any loss etc. That is the price I would have to pay and my skin would just have to be thick..  You think Nutt does not read these boards? Yea right.... and he did not read "the book" before it hit the stands? I know for a fact that he knew the contents the week Mitch was yanked that night at South Carolina. Watch Nutt's interviews. He hardly ever makes direct eye contact with the interviewer who asked the question, looks to the side more than directly at him. And answers with short, non configured sentences, two or three word comments etc. "hear that", " just do more, do more", "keep gettin' better".. I wish he could interview better. Why did they not interview him at the Heisman Awards? They did talk to the other 2-3 coaches, even McFadden's mom...
I agree the threads have had a flurry of activity today. Time to cool down the computer.
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: not ray on January 15, 2007, 03:32:53 pm
So what about the moon landing?  Any word on that yet today?
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: fbhound on January 15, 2007, 03:32:59 pm
fbhound, I am starting to agree with you! However, I do not see where it is time to drop support for the Razorbacks over a season where they won the SEC West. If we dont win the SEC West and the overall SEC championship next year then maybe it is time to back up and re-evaluate things.
I agree. Tomorrow I will wake up in a cold sweat wondering how to get my seats back. Maybe we all need to take a long breath and listen to Rick and Drive Time and The Huddle to get our minds straight again.. Thanks for the slap.
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 03:33:22 pm
David Lee..He is with the Dallas Cowboys and is actually the one who taught Mitch how to QB.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 03:35:43 pm
Forked Tongue:  You give me $1.35 million a year and you deserve to attack anything I do, any play I call, any loss etc. That is the price I would have to pay and my skin would just have to be thick..  You think Nutt does not read these boards? Yea right.... and he did not read "the book" before it hit the stands? I know for a fact that he knew the contents the week Mitch was yanked that night at South Carolina. Watch Nutt's interviews. He hardly ever makes direct eye contact with the interviewer who asked the question, looks to the side more than directly at him. And answers with short, non configured sentences, two or three word comments etc. "hear that", " just do more, do more", "keep gettin' better".. I wish he could interview better. Why did they not interview him at the Heisman Awards? They did talk to the other 2-3 coaches, even McFadden's mom...
I agree the threads have had a flurry of activity today. Time to cool down the computer.
I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you.  No one is totally right here.  This point on point argument is futile.  I think this cuts both ways.  Somewhere in the middle lies the truth. 

Note: Nutt was late to the Heisman awards. There was a death in his family.  I think it was nice the focus was on his player and his mother.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 03:37:17 pm
Gus said earlier that he was the person calling the plays but he must have said it to keep the lions away. I dont think you leave Arkansas for Tulsa if you are in complete control of Arkansas offense. Will be interesting to see what happens next and which players and recruits transfer to another school.

I don't see many players (especially any of quality) leaving the U of A to follow Malzahn to Tulsa. He has taken a step down so why would a player who has a chance to play in the SEC. I don't think we will lose any recruits as well. Again, why play for a mid-major when you have a chance to play in the SEC. As was readily apparent this year, the SEC is the premier football conference in America. If you can play there, you have to be a top level player. I believe Malzahn was a pleasant surprise. Quite frankly, I never expected him to succeed after making such a big jump. I think he did well, though I do believe that he was somewhat over his head in the SEC. Like Mustain, I believe he was surprised by the quickness of the players. I'm sure that Coach Nutt and Coach Woods called a good portion of the plays. They had the experience at that level and I don't think our success would have been as good if Malzahn had been left alone to call all plays.
I see those loyal to Gus going but you're correct, not many will leave to the Arkansas to go to Tulsa.  However, there are many more schools, dang good ones, in the SEC other than Arkansas.  Is it that much of a stretch to leave the Circus on the hill to go play for Nick Saban at Alabama, the National Champion Florida Gators, LSU etc..?  You loyal Hog fans have what you want, it's back the way it was before Gus, Damien etc.. screwed things up.  It's back to Frank/Nutts football.  Back to good old Hog ball.  You should be happy. 
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 03:39:09 pm
David Lee..He is with the Dallas Cowboys and is actually the one who taught Mitch how to QB.

RT.. I was being sarcastic about the title of the thread.  I changed the post to relect it more accurately.  I know who David Lee is!  Thanks for responsing though.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 03:39:53 pm
SCS = SHILOH CHRISTIAN SAINTS. No wonder you hate the Razorbacks and love Gus. Gus made Shiloh. I can't remember but were they playing in 1A or 2A when Gus was there? He did a great job and won several state championships. He did such a great job that he was promoted the big high school in town. Did he win one or two state championships there? I dont recall. The national press? Wasn't that Matt Jones when he was here and McFadden now? The only thing the Springdale connection did for the U of A was make it a laughing stock for a week when momma and her whiny boy cried to Broyles. What a joke!
The Shiloh bashing is on the 3A board.  Come on over, lots of room and no waiting.  I'm not a Gus lover (that sounded bad) as much as Nutt hater.  You Hog fans have what you want.  Gus, Damien and most likely Mitch soon out of the way.  Sorry they screwed up the UofA.  It's back to the way all of you like it.  Frank B calling the shots, Houston Nutts embarrassing himself with the band when they win one they shouldn't have.  It's good ole Hog ball.  Enjoy.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Garo on January 15, 2007, 03:44:43 pm
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/01/15/malzahn.arkansas.ap/
Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 03:46:01 pm
bump
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 03:48:03 pm
fbhound, are you from Springdale by chance? Things dont go in YOUR favor and you quit. I am looking for the day when all the quiters are gone. I bet the U of A will survive without you buddy!

Exactly. I'm renewing my Broyles-Mathews money this year (would have done it no matter who the coaches are/arent). I haven't been giving for 40+ years so maybe I'll have a better chance to move up in seating with fbhound gone. The Razorback program has survived many challenges in its history (losing a coach one year out of HS doesn't count as a big challenge to me) and it will survive this one. Say what you want about Coach Broyles, but he is one of, if not the most, respected AD's among his peers. Yes, maybe he micomanages a little too much at time, but just walk around the campus and look at the facilities that have been built in his tenure. We are second to nobody. That includes baseball, track, basketball, football and on an on. If fbhound doen't attend the games next year, I can almost assure you that there will be someone there to buy his seat. Ten wins, a possible Heisman Trophy and three or four first team all-Americans are a real possibility. We had those before Malzahn came and we will have them after he is gone.
?????  Broyles respected amongst his peers?  Just who do you consider his peers?  You can't be talking about his peers at the other top 25 schools.  PLEASE.  He needs to go.  Great man, maybe I don't know him.  Great career, I'll even give him that.  A great, present day AD?  Amongst his peer set?  Come on.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 03:49:50 pm
SCS, I will enjoy every single win we get at the U of A. In case your Saints have an off year one of these days or even 10 for that matter please remember you are a fan of the program and not an individual or particular team.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Garo on January 15, 2007, 03:54:11 pm
Anyone else get the feeling all that Springdale group are self serving idiots?
Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 03:56:30 pm
I think Gus and Alex were both shown the door.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 03:56:56 pm
Forked Tongue:  You give me $1.35 million a year and you deserve to attack anything I do, any play I call, any loss etc. That is the price I would have to pay and my skin would just have to be thick..  You think Nutt does not read these boards? Yea right.... and he did not read "the book" before it hit the stands? I know for a fact that he knew the contents the week Mitch was yanked that night at South Carolina. Watch Nutt's interviews. He hardly ever makes direct eye contact with the interviewer who asked the question, looks to the side more than directly at him. And answers with short, non configured sentences, two or three word comments etc. "hear that", " just do more, do more", "keep gettin' better".. I wish he could interview better. Why did they not interview him at the Heisman Awards? They did talk to the other 2-3 coaches, even McFadden's mom...
I agree the threads have had a flurry of activity today. Time to cool down the computer.
Houston can't read.  The person that cuts up Frank B's food puts the articles into pictures for both of them.     
Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 04:01:28 pm
I would show Wood the door off what we saw this year.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Father Guido on January 15, 2007, 04:02:01 pm
Anyone else get the feeling all that Springdale group are self serving idiots?

Maybe.  But I think more than anything, this confirms that Nutt is unwilling to let go of the offense and that he lied to Gus to get him there in the first place just so the U of A might land some quality athletes that otherwise they had no shot at.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 04:05:51 pm
SCS, I will enjoy every single win we get at the U of A. In case your Saints have an off year one of these days or even 10 for that matter please remember you are a fan of the program and not an individual or particular team.
Fair enough.  The sad part is this area of country has approx. 1000 new families a week moving in.  Benton County Arkansas is the fastest growing county in the US.  Do you think those people coming in could be potential fans?  Do you think many of them, someday, might look to the U of A for their kids?  You will always be a fan, you must be an alum.  That's great.  Through thick and thin, I get it.  However, for Arkansas to be a nationally recognized program it needs more than the alum to like them.  How many Gator fans are there today that have never been to the State of Florda?  Need we talk about the national following for Notre Dame.  Notre Dame has 9,600 students so that alum base isn't growing each year.  And there isn't 1000 people a week moving to South Bend.  What about Ohio State, LSU etc..  This little soap opera in Fayetteville is embarrassing for the U of A, Houston Nutts, NW Arkansas etc..  It just goes to show the "small time" workings at the U of A.
Gus leaving won't have an impact on the football program as much as the soap opera of all of this.  Remember, there was a soap opera before Gus even got here as well.  CLEAN HOUSE.   
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: olddog79 on January 15, 2007, 04:07:19 pm
Anyone else get the feeling all that Springdale group are self serving idiots?
that's a pretty broad brush you're painting with...

Don't be afraid to use a little thought now and then.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: not ray on January 15, 2007, 04:07:48 pm
Maybe if Arkansas was the leading Catholic college in America they could gain the same type of recognition as Notre Dame.  No school compares to them.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 04:10:14 pm
SCS, I would have cleaned house the year we lost to Vanderbilt in Fayetteville after running the same running play 4 times in a row. Not today based on Gus leaving, dissatisfied Springdale guys, along with posting a 10 win season.
Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: Father Guido on January 15, 2007, 04:10:38 pm
I think the only reason Nutt hired Gus to begin with was so the U of A might land some requits that they would not have gotten otherwise.  You won't hear it from Gus.  He is too classy a guy to go that route, but this move, to me, confirms what has been pretty obvious all year.  Nutt's ego won't let him stay out of the offense.  If you hire a guy to do a job, you should get out of the way and let him do that job.

I hope that the bridges haven't been completely burned, so that maybe someday, when Frank and HDN are gone, Gus could come back.  Of course, he may be too old by that time.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 04:12:20 pm
Maybe if Arkansas was the leading Catholic college in America they could gain the same type of recognition as Notre Dame.  No school compares to them.
Fair.  So who does Arkansas compare to on the national stage?  I say, you'll hate me.  Rutgers, West Virginia, Boise State, Utah, Cincy etc..  Good programs, regionally, that have a few years just around the top but NOT there.  Please don't have this question/response bring out the Notre Dame haters.  I realize they need help on the team and this is to compare the NATIONAL following/support of a team. 

In two years most people we be back to saying "where is Rutgers located at"?  Just like two years ago.  The good news is it's the Arkansas Razorbacks and not the F-ville Razorbacks so in two years people won't forget where they're located.
Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 04:13:02 pm
"requits" miskey?  Freudian slip?  or just an accident?  I like it though.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 15, 2007, 04:13:37 pm
SCS, I would have cleaned house the year we lost to Vanderbilt in Fayetteville after running the same running play 4 times in a row. Not today based on Gus leaving, dissatisfied Springdale guys, along with posting a 10 win season.
We finally agree.  It's bigger than Gus.  Involving Gus just drags in MANY local, non-Alum fan fence riders.  The fish stinks from the head down.  Frank B is the head of the fish.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 15, 2007, 04:18:08 pm
SCS, I had the privilege to meet an Ohio State fan early on this football season. Now they take football serious in that part of the country. To your surprise he knew all about the Razorbacks including Fayetteville. We are not a well known program like Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, or USC, but I guarantee you we are a level above Rutgers, Boise State, and the teams you mentioned. More people than you know remember the years Matt Jones made all his unbelievable plays.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 04:18:09 pm
All players have 24 hours to make up there mind to transfer or not.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Garo on January 15, 2007, 04:20:36 pm
Anyone else get the feeling all that Springdale group are self serving idiots?
that's a pretty broad brush you're painting with...

Don't be afraid to use a little thought now and then.
That IS my thought...they are selfish.  Be a team player or get the heck out.  I agree about Broyles and have for 20 years now.  But the situation is what it is and ain't gonna change.

Understand that is not my feeling about the city of Springdale..just that group.  Every town has it's underdesirables.
Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: olddog79 on January 15, 2007, 04:24:09 pm
One word - AMBITION
Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: Scorpius on January 15, 2007, 04:28:52 pm
Gus was dooped into coming to the U of A by Nutt, on false pretenses that he would have control of the offense.
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: Scorpius on January 15, 2007, 04:31:46 pm
So what about the moon landing?  Any word on that yet today?
Yes the moon landing was done on a sound stage, it is all a conspiracy.  ;D
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 04:32:38 pm
Which Moon?
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: Scorpius on January 15, 2007, 04:34:46 pm
Which Moon?
All of them. Everything is a conspiracy the moon, Kennedy, AIDS, everything. :D
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: HA_Fan on January 15, 2007, 04:35:59 pm
Which Moon?

Warren.
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 04:36:30 pm
Ref's at SS vs VB game too?
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: not ray on January 15, 2007, 04:37:59 pm
The refs in every Dallas game.  They are all conspiring against the Cowboys.
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: OUTLAWnuttmustgo on January 15, 2007, 04:43:57 pm
David Lee..He is with the Dallas Cowboys and is actually the one who taught Mitch how to QB.
Bring him on, as long as Mustain or Dick  doesn't hold for  FGs
;)
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 04:47:13 pm
David Lee..He is with the Dallas Cowboys and is actually the one who taught Mitch how to QB.
Bring him on, as long as Mustain or Dick  doesn't hold for  FGs
;)

We kick FG's?
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Garo on January 15, 2007, 04:54:24 pm
Anyone else get the feeling all that Springdale group are self serving idiots?

Maybe.  But I think more than anything, this confirms that Nutt is unwilling to let go of the offense and that he lied to Gus to get him there in the first place just so the U of A might land some quality athletes that otherwise they had no shot at.
Do you know personally that anyone was lied to?  Or is that just a personal opinion?  Because I'm assuming you were not there.  If you were, then my deepest apologies and feel free to set me straight.
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: Scorpius on January 15, 2007, 04:56:06 pm
Ref's at SS vs VB game too?
Especially the refs at that game and all the Cowboy's games too. Conspiracy is everywhere.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: olddog79 on January 15, 2007, 04:57:59 pm



Understand that is not my feeling about the city of Springdale..just that group.  Every town has it's underdesirables.
Have you ever spoken with Ben, Andrew, Mitch, or Damien? I can tell you haven't, because if you had you wouldn't refer to them as undesirables. They're good kids in a bad situation with some parents that don't know when to shut up.

think more - post less.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Garo on January 15, 2007, 05:04:05 pm



Understand that is not my feeling about the city of Springdale..just that group.  Every town has it's underdesirables.
Have you ever spoken with Ben, Andrew, Mitch, or Damien? I can tell you haven't, because if you had you wouldn't refer to them as undesirables. They're good kids in a bad situation with some parents that don't know when to shut up.

think more - post less.
Don't need to.  Actions speak louder than words. 
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Garo on January 15, 2007, 05:04:54 pm
Sorry can't get the quote thing to work right. That whole group has been nothing but a pain in the butt ever since they got there. So take Mama and go elsewhere.  Bunch a crybabies who will end up on the side of the road leaning on a shovel with the highway department.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Father Guido on January 15, 2007, 05:41:15 pm
All I know is that when Malzhan was hired, Nutt said he was going to turn the offense over to him and get out of the way.  Gus would be responsible for play calling,...the works.  In other words, he would be the Offensive Coordinator.  No you go back and look at that LSU game and the plays called in crucial situations, down the stretch, and tell me if you honestly think someone who has been coaching a spread offense for the past several years would waste throwing the ball down field into double and triple coverage, when you have 2:00 minutes to go 70 yards.  Two minutes is an eternity.  No need to throw 3 straight "bombs", (duds), and give the ball right back to LSU.  Gus would have been calling for 10-15 yrd sideline routes to get out of bounds and save the clock.  That is the type offense that he and most of the recievers are familiar with, and I believe we even had a QB who knew how to throw those type passes, (on the sidelines).
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Alias on January 15, 2007, 05:44:22 pm
So does this mean we wont see the "Wildcat" formation anymore? :'(
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 05:45:06 pm
All players have 24 hours to make up there mind to transfer or not.

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Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Garo on January 15, 2007, 05:49:47 pm
All I know is when you bring a new offense in, you don't bring it all in with one season.  The players are not there for that particular offense.  It takes time unless you want a season worse than the one they had.  Yea, I was disappointed with the ending we had but the season as a whole was a heck of a good start from the season before.  So I'll say it again...good bye, good riddance and don't let the door hit you on the way out..or where the good Lord split you.
Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 15, 2007, 06:11:04 pm
Gus was dooped into coming to the U of A by Nutt, on false pretenses that he would have control of the offense.

That'd probably be it.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Super Scrapper on January 15, 2007, 06:34:42 pm
This move does not surprise me....I just know for a fact the wrong coach is gone....And the HOGS will be the worst for it.....SS

Go Scrappers
   ::)
Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: Father Guido on January 15, 2007, 06:38:02 pm
"requits" miskey?  Freudian slip?  or just an accident?  I like it though.

...LOL, caught me, there, but, well, we'll see.

Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 06:39:41 pm
I just thought it was unusally funny
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: not ray on January 15, 2007, 07:05:10 pm
Just wondering how you know this as a FACT.  Just a strange way to put it.  I don't like either one at all, but one has multiple years as a D-1 coach the other has been a high school coach. 
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: oldscribe on January 15, 2007, 07:05:53 pm
Way to go Gus!!! Rides the second tank outta Hogland..
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: busta on January 15, 2007, 07:10:20 pm
Vice President Rd - why resort to name calling.  Sorry!  I forgot you are showing the highest level of education you have.  My bad!
Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: not ray on January 15, 2007, 07:10:28 pm
Gus was dooped into coming to the U of A by Nutt, on false pretenses that he would have control of the offense.

So are you saying they drugged the man?  I mean you did mean doped into coming to the U of A.  Houston never wanted him.  Well he would have taken him as the TEs coach, but Houston's hand was forced on the hiring of Gus. 
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: bearcat1983 on January 15, 2007, 07:34:20 pm
I also believe Frank has overdone his stay.What other 83 year old man would stay at his Job.I mean at that age people are enjoying retirement not ruling a school.
As far as Nutt goes,I respect him alot,but he is not a good coach.
My opinion is Frank still has control and he wasn't going to let Gus do his thing.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: invictus on January 15, 2007, 07:37:56 pm
I also believe Frank has overdone his stay.What other 83 year old man would stay at his Job.I mean at that age people are enjoying retirement not ruling a school.
As far as Nutt goes,I respect him alot,but he is not a good coach.
My opinion is Frank still has control and he wasn't going to let Gus do his thing.

I wouldn't mind being in as good of shape when I'm 83 and hopefully, I'll still be working. What is retirement anyway but the next step to the grave. He has done a great job for the program and still is. Why are we getting so bent out of shape over one high school coach who really has yet to  prove himself. He was over his head in the very quick and fast SEC so maybe he will do better at Tulsa. If not, I'm sure there is a HS out there somewhere.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Super Scrapper on January 15, 2007, 07:51:06 pm
Just wondering how you know this as a FACT.  Just a strange way to put it.  I don't like either one at all, but one has multiple years as a D-1 coach the other has been a high school coach. 

Because the one with multiple years as a D-1 coach has proven he needs to be replaced, while the other has not yet had his chance at this level, he has been very successful.   Nutt has not been a winner, but a whiner.  Nutt is a good person, a good cheerleader and a pretty good recruiter.  He would make a great assistant but I don't think he is a good head coach.  This fiasco will be his downfall....SS

Go Scrappers
;D
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: tenaciousD on January 15, 2007, 07:51:34 pm
Anyone else get the feeling all that Springdale group are self serving idiots?
NO, b/c this wasnt Malzons doings, its been known for a few weeks that broils was going to bring in David Lee to be the primary play caller, so what else could Malzon do, stay here and be nothing but a title.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 07:52:38 pm
KTUL Asked about why he was coming: "..to get a chance to call plays..."

Just a brief interview as most of the news is tied up with the ice storm.

So why would he say "to get a chance to call plays...", if he in fact according to the experts all over Arkansas he was already calling the plays?
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: panther_pride on January 15, 2007, 07:56:22 pm
Anyone else get the feeling all that Springdale group are self serving idiots?
NO, b/c this wasnt Malzons doings, its been known for a few weeks that broils was going to bring in David Lee to be the primary play caller, so what else could Malzon do, stay here and be nothing but a title.
Who is Malzon? And who is broils? I do like broiled burgers...
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: tenaciousD on January 15, 2007, 07:57:58 pm
sorry about that I meant Malzahn and broyles
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 08:00:15 pm
Not to argue, but I think it's the difference in calling plays from his own play sheet versus calling those off someone else's sheet.  We are never going to know the whole story here other than I have no doubt that we'll see more of the "Springdale" offense than this past season. 

I really question this "co-off coord" position though.  It just seems odd.  If the other guy is involved in the planning equally and Gus still calls the plays it's peculiar.

Going to make the scoreboard watching of TU games interesting.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Super Scrapper on January 15, 2007, 08:00:15 pm
KTUL Asked about why he was coming: "..to get a chance to call plays..."

Just a brief interview as most of the news is tied up with the ice storm.

So why would he say "to get a chance to call plays...", if he in fact according to the experts all over Arkansas he was already calling the plays?



Only those with 1/2 a brain really believe Malzahn was calling the plays....SS

Go Scrappers
;D
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: not ray on January 15, 2007, 08:01:50 pm
He was the one calling the plays.  Now they may have been designed for him by Nutt, but he was the one doing the calling of the plays during the game.  I hope he does well, but if it hits the wall in Tulsa I would much rather it be exposed there as not able to work than at Arkansas.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Footballer on January 15, 2007, 08:02:20 pm
Not to argue, but I think it's the difference in calling plays from his own play sheet versus calling those off someone else's sheet.  We are never going to know the whole story here other than I have no doubt that we'll see more of the "Springdale" offense than this past season. 

I really question this "co-off coord" position though.  It just seems odd.  If the other guy is involved in the planning equally and Gus still calls the plays it's peculiar.

Going to make the scoreboard watching of TU games interesting.

They said on the radio earlier that the WV guy was hired before Tulsa knew that they could get Malzahn. From the way I understand it, Tulsa will be running Malzahn's HUNH offense next year.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Super Scrapper on January 15, 2007, 08:26:28 pm
Well, I have to agree with the "Padre" on this one...Gus was lied to big time to get him on board at the "UofA" and just for one reason and that was to sign the "Springdale 5" . It worked but it will most likely fall apart now.  There is no telling what other recruits it will affect.  I think this fiasco is far from over.   I have always said that Mitch Mustain was an overrated QB and may be the weakest of the Springdale 5 as far as a D-1 player.  More problems will surely arise at the "UofA"....SS

Go Scrappers
;D
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Super Scrapper on January 15, 2007, 08:49:47 pm
He was the one calling the plays.  Now they may have been designed for him by Nutt, but he was the one doing the calling of the plays during the game.  I hope he does well, but if it hits the wall in Tulsa I would much rather it be exposed there as not able to work than at Arkansas.

I am surprised you really believe that!!  HDN, made a statement early on that it was his head on the block and he was the one that was going to be making all of the decisions....I don't think for a minute that Gus had a say in what was being called.  He may have signaled the plays in but Houston was calling them....Houston had no intention of letting go of this team from the get go...Gus was not his hire to start with....SS

Go Scrappers
;D
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: Greyhoundman on January 15, 2007, 09:03:57 pm
Just goes to show how much Houston has done for our program(sarcasm). On this day, Jan 15, 2007.....I have joined the Darkside....I wasn't a Hugger to begin with, but now, my place with the Darkside has been secured.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: xtremewildcat on January 15, 2007, 09:04:14 pm
Can I ask all of you guys a question. I'm assuming you guys have football backgrounds when I ask this question.
Do you really believe any of these guys were told anything that any other recruit or new coach is not told? How much do you want to bet, all the other coaches that recruited these guys, told them they would not be the focal points of their offenses.
I am not a HDN fan. But I believe he told those guys the truth when he recruited them. The problem came when Dick was hurt and Mustain did not develop as fast as they thought he would. I don't give a rats butt what any off you guys say. Everyone that has followed the hogs thought MM would come in here and be like he was in high school. Well you know what, he didn't. And when he and the other QB's SUCKED. Nutt went back to what was our strong suit. D-Mac and Jones.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: PRG_HOUSE on January 15, 2007, 09:23:55 pm
so do u guys think that mustain and cleveland are gone???
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: DIG-BIG on January 15, 2007, 09:27:39 pm
So what Teams is Tulsa Playing next season???????????
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: invictus on January 15, 2007, 09:32:06 pm
so do u guys think that mustain and cleveland are gone???

I think their egos will demand that they transfer. If they expect the team to revolve around them, then they should go. If they want to be part of the team, then I think they have a great future at Arkansas. Let's face it. Mustain did okay, I repeat, only okay, with no spring practice behind him. With good work this spring, I think he will pass Casey Dick for the #1 spot.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: fbhound on January 15, 2007, 09:34:25 pm
So what Teams is Tulsa Playing next season???????????
I promise you Tulsa will be playing at LEAST 4 teams better than Arkansas does. Chattanooga, Florida International, Troy and so on.. We will start with about 40,000 in the stands those games and 1/2 will leave in middle of 3rd quarter. Good for concession sales, right Frank?!!
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 15, 2007, 09:36:52 pm
Sorry can't get the quote thing to work right. That whole group has been nothing but a pain in the butt ever since they got there. So take Mama and go elsewhere.  Bunch a crybabies who will end up on the side of the road leaning on a shovel with the highway department.

You are misinformed.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: jbell96 on January 15, 2007, 09:42:41 pm
I post this link for all you Huggers that say Gus was calling the plays this season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmzoFGnR1mU

"Great opportunity to come here and call the plays."

Try and spin it boys.
Title: Re: Malzahn to Tulsa?
Post by: DIG-BIG on January 15, 2007, 09:50:25 pm
Tulsa is Loading up with Young Blood! (Coaches and Players) Gus will suprise everbody. HN will always have that sick feeling in his stomach. Frank......................Just Sheet his Depends  again & again & again it never STOP'S.......
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: xtremewildcat on January 15, 2007, 09:53:09 pm
Have you ever thought Gus was calling the plays from the HDN playbook. And maybe there at Tulsa he will have the chance to develop his own playbook. There is nothing wrong with that. Maybe that style of offense will work there. I personally don't think that is would work in the SEC, when you have linebackers that can run down receivers. If you can't knock a team off the ball and punch them in the mouth, you are not going to be too successful here in the SEC. Don't you people think there has been coaches that have tried it before?
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 15, 2007, 09:57:10 pm
I personally don't think that is would work in the SEC

Florida's offense was similar.  Remember what they did to Ohio State.

The truth is, Gus and the QB's were handcuffed.  Gus did call the plays, but from a list approved by Nutt.  Nutt also had veto power, which he increasingly used later on in the season.

And no, I don't care to see Malzhan's offense at Arkansas, either.  But it'd be better than iso, counter, draw, and punt, which is what Nutt's offense is.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Footballer on January 15, 2007, 10:03:00 pm
Nutt had veto power and he should have veto power.  Remember, Nutt is still the head coach.  Whether we agree with Nutt or not, he is still the head coach.

Thanks for reminding me.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 15, 2007, 10:03:56 pm
Nutt had veto power and he should have veto power.  Remember, Nutt is still the head coach.  Whether we agree with Nutt or not, he is still the head coach.

The only thing Nutt should have is a one-way ticket out of this state.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: xtremewildcat on January 15, 2007, 10:08:11 pm
I personally don't think that is would work in the SEC

Florida's offense was similar.  Remember what they did to Ohio State.

The truth is, Gus and the QB's were handcuffed.  Gus did call the plays, but from a list approved by Nutt.  Nutt also had veto power, which he increasingly used later on in the season.

And no, I don't care to see Malzhan's offense at Arkansas, either.  But it'd be better than iso, counter, draw, and punt, which is what Nutt's offense is.

You just brought up a good point. Malzhan's offence was similar to the one Florida ran. Florida did more smash mouth football than I have seen in a while. Remember, their coach was hired a couple of years ago to bring back the "fun and gun" days of Spurrier. It seems he has even adjusted his style a lot.
I only saw one game from SHS in 2005. In that game, they ran the ball at least 50% of the time. I hope that AR. can get to level of balance. Maybe, if MM stays at AR., he will develop enough so we can pass at least 25 times a game.
Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: R. A.™ on January 15, 2007, 10:20:29 pm
I think UA got what they wanted from Gus....Mitch Mustain.

I can't wait to hear what his mother has to say now.... I bet another meeting will be taking place to see who they hire. heck she will probably want to be the head of the search committee.
Title: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: R. A.™ on January 15, 2007, 10:21:29 pm
I'm listening....
 I keep hearing David Lee
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 10:27:54 pm
It's David Lee, Dallas Morning News is reporting he has accepted the job.

Yipee, please contain my excitement.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 10:31:35 pm
It's David Lee, Dallas Morning News is reporting he has accepted the job.

Yipee, please contain my excitement.

Got a link? Thanks
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: DIG-BIG on January 15, 2007, 10:31:41 pm
The replacement, that reminds me of a movie.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 15, 2007, 10:44:19 pm
David Lee.

And oh yes, Nutt wants Lee.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 15, 2007, 10:45:29 pm
Odd question here:

Will there be one hire only?
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: RD™ on January 15, 2007, 10:46:24 pm
I don't care that he is fro Dallas, the most pathetic team in the NFL, but at least hire a friggin name. Wouldn't surprise me if he pays him more than Gus.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 10:53:18 pm
It's David Lee, Dallas Morning News is reporting he has accepted the job.



Ive searched DMN and cant find anything.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: R. A.™ on January 15, 2007, 11:01:41 pm
Looked at ESPN and DMN nothing. therefore it isn't confirmed, just like most of VP RD's posts
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 15, 2007, 11:10:28 pm
A Cowboys board I post on has mentioned it.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 15, 2007, 11:11:21 pm
A Cowboys board I post on has mentioned it.

Im hearing it is on the pay boards as well.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: alaskanstorm on January 15, 2007, 11:24:16 pm
i have always said bring on solich!!!  with that backfield he couldn't go wrong.  we would need to recruit a little more fiscal and faster QB but that wouldn't be a problem with him on board.  actually he could replace nutt to and that wouldn't bother me either.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 15, 2007, 11:24:26 pm
The Cowboys fans actually seem to like Lee and want him to stay.  Word is that Parcells wants him to stay, as well.

Apparently David Lee has helped Tony Romo a lot in developing as a QB.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: SouthpawSensation on January 15, 2007, 11:54:21 pm
As if this flame really needed to be fanned, but here goes:
Take a look at this.
http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2007/01/15/news/011607uafbmalzahn.txt
Title: Re: Malzahn
Post by: SouthpawSensation on January 15, 2007, 11:56:51 pm
David Lee..He is with the Dallas Cowboys and is actually the one who taught Mitch how to QB.
Bring him on, as long as Mustain or Dick  doesn't hold for  FGs
;)

We kick FG's?
We sure do. The only problem is most of them go wide right.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 12:07:31 am
Come on Huggers, spin this story for us.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 16, 2007, 12:34:53 am
It deserves its own thread.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 12:51:12 am
FAYETTEVILLE -- After learning this past weekend that his role as Arkansas' offensive coordinator was going to be diminished, Gus Malzahn decided it was in his best interest to accept a position at the University of Tulsa, a source close to the team said Monday.

Wasting little time, Malzahn was named early Monday as Tulsa's assistant head coach and co-offensive coordinator, joining the staff of new Golden Hurricane coach Todd Graham.

"I think it's the right fit," Malzahn said in a statement released by Tulsa. "My relationship with Coach Graham was important, and our offensive philosophies are very similar -- a no-huddle spread-type philosophy."

The source, who didn't want to be identified, said that Malzahn spoke with Arkansas coach Houston Nutt on Saturday and asked him if Malzahn would remain as the team's offensive coordinator.

According to the source, Nutt told Malzahn that there were plans to bring in David Lee -- who is responsible for offensive quality control with the Dallas Cowboys -- to be a co-offensive coordinator. That would mean a decreased role for Malzahn, who also served as Arkansas' wide receivers coach.

Graham has already said that Malzahn will call the offensive plays at Tulsa, though former West Virginia assistant Herb Hand will also serve as a co-offensive coordinator. Malzahn is expected to implement a no-huddle spread offense that he became known for as Springdale High's highly successful coach.
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"We're very proud to have moved Gus from high school to (the) college (ranks), and he did a great job for us," Arkansas athletic director Frank Broyles said. ""He's going to another job, and we wish him the best."

Broyles, however, refused to comment on whether Malzahn left Arkansas after being told that he would be demoted to co-offensive coordinator.

Arkansas, meanwhile, was working Monday on a way to hire Lee as the team's sole offensive coordinator, as well as take over as the quarterbacks coach, the source said. That would imply that Alex Wood is out after serving as the quarterbacks coach with the Razorbacks for only one season.

Lee has already worked twice as an assistant at Arkansas, first under Ken Hatfield (1984-88) and then again as a quarterbacks coach under Nutt from 2001-02. Lee considered returning to Arkansas as the offensive coordinator before Malzahn was hired in December 2005.

Malzahn's departure after only one season came as a surprise, especially considering that he had often referred to being the school's offensive coordinator as a "dream job."

In addition, Nutt repeatedly had said since late December that a contract extension was being worked out for Malzahn to remain with the Razorbacks. Nutt said as recently as last Tuesday that an extension was still in the works.

"It was a surprise," Arkansas running backs coach Danny Nutt said of Malzahn's departure. "I didn't have a clue."

This past season, Malzahn was credited with bringing some new formations and trick plays to Arkansas' offense. The Razorbacks went 10-4 and finished No. 15, the team's highest ranking to end a season since 1989.

But even before the season started, there was talk that some of Arkansas' assistant coaches had animosity with Malzahn. And there was also plenty of debate throughout the season over who was actually calling the plays, whether it was Malzahn or Houston Nutt.

Nutt didn't return multiple messages left on his cell phone Monday.

"I wish (Malzahn) nothing but the best both personally and professionally as he takes on his new role," Nutt said in a statement released through the university.

The decision by Malzahn to leave for Tulsa has created much uncertainty over whether several of his former Springdale High players will decide to transfer, perhaps to join him with the Golden Hurricane.

Quarterback Mitch Mustain and tight end Ben Cleveland considered transferring before Arkansas faced No. 7 Wisconsin in the Capital One Bowl on Jan. 1. Both players decided to stay with the Razorbacks, in large part because of their relationships with Malzahn.

Rick Cleveland said Monday that his son has not left Arkansas, and Beck Campbell -- Mustain's mother -- said her son hasn't transferred to another school. Arkansas' spring semester begins today.

Mustain is familiar with Lee, who helped tutor the quarterback when he was younger. But Mustain and Malzahn have a relationship from their time together at Springdale High where Mustain was widely regarded as the nation's top quarterback prospect in 2005.

"I really can't comment other than to say I'm shocked," Campbell said of Malzahn's decision. "(But) I think it speaks volumes."

Malzahn's departure could be addressed with Arkansas' players when they gather at 4 p.m. today for a meeting that was scheduled before Monday's announcement.

Morning News preps editor Kurt Voigt contributed to this report.

1992

Gus Malzahn, defensive coordinator at Hughes in east Arkansas for one season, is hired to become the Blue Devils new head football coach. Hughes finishes 4-6 in Malzahn's first season.

1996

Malzahn, after compiling a 28-17 record in four seasons at Hughes, is named the new head coach at Shiloh Christian in Springdale

1998

Malzahn wins his first state championship as a head coach, defeating Hector 49-14 in the Class AA state championship game. The Saints averaged 45.5 points per game and finished 15-0.

Feb. 1999

At a special meeting of the Benton School Board, Malzahn is introduced as the new head coach at Benton. He left the job 12 days later to return to Shiloh, citing a "personal decision."
(What happened here?Havent heard about this one.)

Dec. 1999

The Saints, under Malzahn, win their second consecutive state championship with a 47-35 win over Carlisle. Again, Shiloh finishes 15-0, averaging 46.8 points per game.

2000

Shiloh loses 30-29 in overtime to Rison in the state championship game, ending a 44-game unbeaten streak with Malzahn at the helm. It would be the last game Malzahn would coach at Shiloh, where he ended with a 63-8-1 record in five seasons.
(Had to do it ;D )

2001

Malzahn is hired as the head coach at Springdale High, replacing legendary Bulldogs coach Jarrell Williams. In his first season, Springdale finishes 7-4.

2002

In his second season at Springdale, Malzahn leads the Bulldogs to the Class AAAAA state championship game. Springdale loses the game to Fort Smith Southside, ending its season at 12-2.

2004

Led by quarterback Mitch Mustain and several other top juniors, Springdale opens the season 12-0 before falling to Little Rock Central in the state semifinals.

Dec. 3, 2005

Springdale earns the school's first state championship since 1989 with a 54-20 win over West Memphis. The Bulldogs finish the season 14-0 and ranked as high as No. 2 nationally, battling the distractions provided the highly publicized recruitments of Mustain and his teammates along the way.

Dec. 9, 2005

Malzahn is announced as the new offensive coordinator at Arkansas, making the leap from high school to college with praise from Razorbacks head coach Houston Nutt and promises of Malzahn's hurry up, no huddle offense coming to the Southeastern Conference.

Jan. 1 2007

Malzahn coaches in the Capital One Bowl in Orlando, Fla., where the Razorbacks fall to Wisconsin. The loss is the third straight for Arkansas, which ends its season 10-4 in Malzahn's first year.

Jan. 15, 2007

Malzahn leaves Arkansas to become assistant head coach and co-offensive coordinator at Tulsa.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 16, 2007, 12:53:58 am
"It was a surprise," Arkansas running backs coach Danny Nutt said of Malzahn's departure. "I didn't have a clue."

Bullcrap on that.  Danny's right in the middle of the loop.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: MrOfficial on January 16, 2007, 01:47:21 am
I dont care why or how come, but you don't after one year totally just slap the face of the University that promoted you from a High School Coach to an SEC Offensive Coordinator.  Regardless of your role, but we should have known this (ask Benton HS) !  He was nothing more than a High School coach, author of a book with only ONE Championship in FOUR years at Springdale.  To come in and demand things in year one was classless and tacky.  Same for the parents who wanted more for their kids.  Christ, they were all All-SEC Freshmen, but that wasn't what they were used to, spoiled brats !

The thing that sticks out in my mind now is just the other day Broyles said we need to downsize, yet NOW there is talk of bringing in David Lee.  Wow just look at the Cowboys offense and tell me you want some of that.  Probably the only reason Lee is coming is because he will soon be unemployed.

Its obvious Broyles thinks we are all a bunch of dummies, does as he pleases, expects season ticket holders to renew for a lousy 2007 schedule ... well we are, because we continue to send in our money go to the games because we all believe in the Hogs.  Sadly our loyalty will blind us from reality.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 16, 2007, 02:14:57 am
I dont care why or how come, but you don't after one year totally just slap the face of the University that promoted you from a High School Coach to an SEC Offensive Coordinator.

Why not?  They slapped him in the face all season.

Regardless of your role, but we should have known this (ask Benton HS) !

Go ahead, and while you're at it, ask Benton for the full story of it.

To come in and demand things in year one was classless and tacky.

Nobody demanded anything.

Same for the parents who wanted more for their kids.  Christ, they were all All-SEC Freshmen, but that wasn't what they were used to, spoiled brats !

Not true, not true, and not true.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: nfblaze on January 16, 2007, 08:18:07 am
I just wonder how things would have gone if they had ran Gus' offense and it totally failed.  I mean running things the way they have set the bar pretty high.  Had to 11 game to get to that level.  Good luck on that.
The only time they did run it..It succeeded and we were on the brink of scoring once again...Nutt has screwed possibly his own self by benching Mustain because he felt the need to *pull the trigger*...He has been making the same bonehead decisions for 8 years...That being the reason why we haven't turned out 1 descent QB under him, and the 2 we did (1-WR for the Jags, his RIGHTFUL position..2-Backup for the Vikings, he developed more at Alabama State)..

Gus is NOT in full control of the offense, yes he has had his hand in it, but he is DEFINITELY not calling the plays..Gus was hired to get the passing offense going and find new ways to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers.. Let's go back to the USC game, where we DID run the HUNH, with McFadden,Jones, Monk on the field subbing in every other play..We absolutely killed Pete Carroll's defense, and if you think his 2nd and 3rd teamers can't play for anyone else..take a look at how much they lost last year..

Malzahn's offense is a philosophy that you have to be 100% committed to-
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/insider/columns/story?columnist=davie&id=2457483&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncf%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3ddavie%26id%3d2457483

No-huddle offense
Rodriguez's offensive package, which he has run for 15 years, starts with the plays being called at the line of scrimmage. The no-huddle offense allows teams to control the tempo of the game, dictating to the defense whether the ball is snapped quickly or the entire 25-second clock is used.

West Virginia utilizes three different tempos and that, as well as play calls and audibles, are controlled at the line of scrimmage by the coaches.


 Tarkus you are right, it did take a year or two for him to get his system installed, but I'm telling you now..The players were ready to run the offense, they are D-1..not high school, it shouldn't take them that long to learn the offense...I was able to watch them run it successfully in practice and once in a game...Yes, we are in a better position than last year, but if you put it in perspective, we're still in the same place..No passing game to attribute to our powerful running attack...I have said all along that Houston blew our chances to be where Florida was today, other coaches around college football know that, we had our chance and now its another *next year* line.

I give a lot of credit to Markuson, seeing that I didn't think he could teach our O-Line to pass block..We were way up in sacks not allowed, yet we put our BEST passer on the bench? Everyone on the team threw a pass except for Mitch against Florida, but you put him in on a QB draw?

Notice how Nutt has abandoned the things that were succeeding this season- HUNH vs USC, Wildcat vs Florida, Mitch vs SEC, there's a pattern..I knew the book would have some effect, but I didn't think it would have THAT much effect on his coaching decisions, seeing that Mustain was 7/8-0 as a starter..We were winning games, starting to get noticed, then we go back to Casey(who isn't a bad QB at all, just not an adequate starter in the SEC) and our passing attack is exposed and we're right back to ground one.

We complain about not having any receivers...was there ever a QB there to get them use to catching the ball? The practices I did watch, the receivers weren't use to catching balls from Mitch because of the strength and accuracy he put on the ball..Casey has a very strong arm and can be very accurate at times, but we don't have a coach that knows how to bring up QB's.

How many mistakes must then man make before he is right back on the hotseat, regarding his handling of players. There have been some things being discussed on the Hill, and I hope our administration is looking towards the FUTURE of our program and NOT at (1) 10-win season, which would've been 9 minus the extra game.

Take a look around college football and the NFL..and how many coaches are making changes on potential rather than experience? How many teams do you see a coach benching a starter that was 8-0? We knew Mitch had obvious potential when he showed flashes in the games he played, but we also knew he was a freshman that would take some bumps and bruises in the SEC..You think the crowd went wild everytime he got on the field to play NUTTBALL? Did we sell out against UTAH STATE to run Nutt's offense?! Potential vs Experience...Who wins out?

Let's remember...Gus was hired to be the Offensive Coordinator
These practices leading up to the Bowl game will determine the future of our program..It's either Nuttball for as long as we can have it or a offense that EVERY team in America wants to keep OFF the field.

Gus was cuffed after the USC game and left out to dry. He brought in a load of receivers in last year's recruiting class to implement a passing game to go along with our highly touted run game. Houston, after 13 years of calling the plays, didn't enjoy being a CEO. The only supporters left for Malzahn were some of the boosters...and at the end of the season. Frank Broyles comes out and says that the Spread Offense won't win a National Championship...One week later, Florida and their Spread Offense blow Ohio State off the field. What came from all this? Frank Broyles is still the AD stuck in his glory days and Nutt is still stuck on not passing the ball. Malzahn gets his CHANCE to call the plays at the D-1 level and implement his system. I am glad he got a chance to show the nation, even handcuffed on playcalling duties, he can win the Offensive Coordinator of the Year award. Next year, the Wildcat is our BEST offense, best thing about it..We STILL have Houston Nutt as our Head Coach. Think we're going to pass next season?
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: FD4 on January 16, 2007, 08:35:39 am
This move is no surprise to me, it simply further inforces the fact that the U of A is nothing more than a quagmire of political flatulations and the pride of Arkansas will suffer.  I can not blame Gus one bit for the move.  For no amount of money would you be able to get me into that system.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: nfblaze on January 16, 2007, 08:50:32 am
This is the same reason we have been shafted by so many U of A Alumni..

"National Championship Under Construction"
                               
You can add Malzahn to the list of good assistants that left the Hill.

Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 16, 2007, 08:50:39 am
Do you know personally that anyone was lied to?  Or is that just a personal opinion?

We were all lied to! The whole state was lied to, over and over again!

This whole business makes me sick...
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 16, 2007, 09:13:29 am
Let's be honest here...Arkansas isn't ever going to get a real offensive coordinator.

Secondly, DAVID LEE? Are you kidding me??? He was here twice before and didn't do jack either time. Hello, all of this hullaballoo about improving the passing game and then what do we do but go out and try to get an OPTION coach??? What???

I swear, what kind of idiots are working up on the Hill? They're regressing, not progressing!

And a better question is--if the rumors are true and they were talking about bringing in Lee before Malzahn ever left--was that a move made to force Malzahn out or did they really expect him to stay on with a diminished role? If the latter, WHY were they taking responsibilities away from him? What did he do wrong? Anyone have an explanation???

I'm so sick of this entire thing that I never will go back to my previous fan support of the program as long as Nutt is the head coach. I just can't handle this nonsense anymore. Talk about mediocrity...they've made a conscientious decision now to stick with off-tackle runs and 7-5 seasons. Ya-hoooo!
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 16, 2007, 09:17:58 am
And a better question is--if the rumors are true and they were talking about bringing in Lee before Malzahn ever left--was that a move made to force Malzahn out or did they really expect him to stay on with a diminished role? If the latter, WHY were they taking responsibilities away from him? What did he do wrong? Anyone have an explanation???

Malzhan was given an ultimatum - accept a demotion, or leave.  The whole hullabaloo about him getting a raise was bunk.

It was an effort to force Gus out.  Why?  Who knows for sure, but power and ego probably had a large part to do with it.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: MrOfficial on January 16, 2007, 09:23:50 am
OK Ivan, you responded and I guess everyone takes your word as fact so let's just dissect your response. 

In regards to the slap in the face by Malzahn, just how did the UofA slap him in the face?  They gave him a job, something no other university would dare do.  You gotta be crazy if you or anyone thinks they were going to give him "free hands" in his first year.  Nutt is the Head Coach, and is the one who is going to be held accountable for all actions.  And I am sure every Head Coach in America does have veto authority over play calling, if you don't think so ... you're crazy.  Face it, Malzahn wasn't ready for the SEC much less college.  He won, though only one State Championship, because of gimmicks.  He had some pretty good players and faced teams with one or two decent players.  In the SEC it's  11 on 11.

As for the Benton situation, I do know a little more about that situation than I am sure you do.  Let's just say, some didn't meet his eagerness to change this at Malzahn's will, and then there was an issue of the almighty dollar.

The parents did make it known, their kids were used to getting the ball more at Springdale, and they thought they would be getting the same at Arkansas.  Newsflash, the Heisman Trophy Runner-Up is in the backfield ... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what your offense is going to be based around !!!

As for all three being All-SEC Freshman, ok so I missed that one, Mustain wasn't, Turnbow at Florida was the QB.  You actually think Mustain was going to beat him out?  And you think after the parents went to Broyles they actually had a chance.  that was the "kiss of death"  ... I guarantee you now, anytime anything comes up, the other players will ride them, "yall better watch out, his momma will be up here".  They might as well transfer - they will always be labled as spoiled brats, or mommas boys now.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: arkfan610 on January 16, 2007, 09:33:35 am
What about Larry Coaker, Cocher, Coker.  However you spell his name from Miami?
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 09:44:07 am
Whoever they get, let's just hope he understands the role of Offensive Coordinator at the college level. I caught the interview on Drive Time Sports yesterday with the OC for the Texas Longhorns (who happened to have won the Broyles Award last year) and he described the role of OC very clearly. The OC doesn't stand alone and have full control of calling all of the plays (apparently the way Malzahn thought/thinks it should be). During game week, the offensive coaches and the head coach make determinations what plays will work against the upcoming opponent in certain situations. The range of plays are then set and the OC calls from those. Of course, he has latitude to change as the game changes and his decisions are always subject to being overruled by the head coach. What Malzahn seemed to want was an unfettered control over all plays, regardless of whether or not the fit into the game plan. No head coach would ever give up final say. Sure, maybe many never overrule the OC, but most don't deal with one just out of high school. I just hope we get an OC that really understands it's not a "me" situation, but an "us" situation. I can see why the Springdale whiners are all about themselves. That seems to be the way Malzahn trained them.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: wm lawdawg on January 16, 2007, 09:45:19 am
well, since nutt want sto run the ball and Broyles likes High school coaches, why not hire Lanny Dauksch from West Memphis?  or if that doesn't work, He can Hire Peacock on the condition that he brings Ziemba with him.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 09:53:44 am
, He can Hire Peacock on the condition that he brings Ziemba with him.

That wouldn't be a bad trade!
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: RUFCO on January 16, 2007, 09:57:01 am
Have you ever thought Gus was calling the plays from the HDN playbook. And maybe there at Tulsa he will have the chance to develop his own playbook. There is nothing wrong with that. Maybe that style of offense will work there. I personally don't think that is would work in the SEC, when you have linebackers that can run down receivers. If you can't knock a team off the ball and punch them in the mouth, you are not going to be too successful here in the SEC. Don't you people think there has been coaches that have tried it before?
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: stina_ar on January 16, 2007, 10:02:27 am
Get on the bus, Gus.

As much as I love NWA, what does this say about his character?
Just another high school coach with one year of college experience who has a bigger ego than he's earned (as far as college accolades go).

I would be very happy if we could just focus on off season and 2007.


GO HOGS.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 10:22:37 am
Get on the bus, Gus.

As much as I love NWA, what does this say about his character?
Just another high school coach with one year of college experience who has a bigger ego than he's earned (as far as college accolades go).

I would be very happy if we could just focus on off season and 2007.


GO HOGS.

I couldn't agree more b-cat. When we are heading toward a 10-2, maybe even 11-1 and possibly 12-0 next year, the whiners won't even remember Malzahn's name. I believe Tennessee and Alabama may be our toughest games next year, mainly because they are on the road. Of course, this all depends on the development of a quarterback. If we have the same mediocrity at that position that we had this year, 10-2 could easily be 7-5. Hopefully, Mustain will set aside his prima donna feelings, tell momma to shut up, have a great spring and be ready to lead next season. If he fails to do any of those things, we will be in trouble unless we recruit a freshman who is ready to step in. Not likely in these times.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: McKnz on January 16, 2007, 10:46:10 am
, He can Hire Peacock on the condition that he brings Ziemba with him.

That wouldn't be a bad trade!

Oh except for that it's an NCAA violation.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 11:07:30 am
, He can Hire Peacock on the condition that he brings Ziemba with him.

That wouldn't be a bad trade!

Oh except for that it's an NCAA violation.

I'm sure they could hide it well. Worked last year. If Malzahn really thought that they were going to take him right out of HS and put him in total charge of an SEC offense, then I'm not sure he is even qualified for a school like Tulsa. It was his players we wanted. Unfortunately, they didn't live up the the hype and are nothing but mediocre prima donnas. I hate to use this old worn out phrase, but there is no "I" in team. Since it is now obvious to even the blind that Malzahn was all about Malzahn, maybe we can understand why the Springdale whiners are only about themselves.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 11:44:32 am
Quote
Newsflash, the Heisman Trophy Runner-Up is in the backfield ... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what your offense is going to be based around !!!

That is too much for some to comprehend.there are some who think the only way to win games is to air the ball out.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: FD4 on January 16, 2007, 11:54:09 am
Sit back and watch Tulsa compete for a BCS spot next year and then whine about whether or not Gus was a good coach.  Gus was the best coach that the U of A never gave a chance to do a job he obviously excels at.  HDN is a puppet and always has been.  Frank Broyles or however you want to spell it sucks as an AD and you can take Jim L. and all the other alum and shove em up and elephants butt.  A State rules.........................
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: KingoftheHILL on January 16, 2007, 12:05:04 pm
Nutt will just hire the best butt kisser that is willing to come to Fayetteville.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: not ray on January 16, 2007, 12:06:06 pm
Tulsa for a BCS spot based on Gus moving over there.  Wow!  I bet that one happens as soon as the sun sets in the east.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 12:21:07 pm
Gus bailed people...he is all about himself and himself only..the writing is on the wall..but some of you cant see it.I look for David Lee to indeed be hired..because that was the plan anyways..and Gus didnt like it..so he bailed...they was going to bring David Lee in to be the CO-OC and QB coach(Looks like they were wanting to replace Alex Wood as well)and let Gus be Co-OC...Gus didnt like that and bailed when he was offered Co-HC and OC position at Tulsa...But...Gus is known for things like that..he did the same to Benton back in the 90's..Benton HS hired him and he stayed 12 days..didnt like some things and went back to Shiloh.So by the looks of things...since he was going to have to take a bit of a decreased role to allow a NFL coach to come in and help..he bailed..kind of like Damian Williams did...they are not team players..they are all for themselves.The way I see it..if you are not a TRUE Razorback..then Be Gone..GM and DW were not true Razorbacks and were only out for themselves...even the National Media is picking up on it and saying the same thing.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 12:28:20 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: zebradynasty on January 16, 2007, 12:31:22 pm
I still say this is the second most positive thing that occurred this season! First was 10-4! Gus never should have been hired and if he thought he was going to be given full reign with a resume thin as tissue, he isn't cut out for BCS coaching. Small private schools fit him and his personality! I get sick of hearing that 40 year man was lied to and now feels betrayed. Gus knew exactly what he was hired to do and he took the job anyway! No one EVER promised him he would run HIS offense.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: rdubs8 on January 16, 2007, 12:52:26 pm
may very well be the smartest person ever.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: R. A.™ on January 16, 2007, 01:02:51 pm
Zebradynasty, did you go to school @ HSU?

If so were you here when he was here?
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: rdubs8 on January 16, 2007, 01:04:34 pm
Who is dumb enough to come to this joke we have on the Hill?
Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: rdubs8 on January 16, 2007, 01:07:04 pm
GUS IS A GENIOUS!
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: HSFBF on January 16, 2007, 01:10:52 pm
Gus bailed people...he is all about himself and himself only..the writing is on the wall..but some of you cant see it.I look for David Lee to indeed be hired..because that was the plan anyways..and Gus didnt like it..so he bailed...they was going to bring David Lee in to be the CO-OC and QB coach(Looks like they were wanting to replace Alex Wood as well)and let Gus be Co-OC...Gus didnt like that and bailed when he was offered Co-HC and OC position at Tulsa...But...Gus is known for things like that..he did the same to Benton back in the 90's..Benton HS hired him and he stayed 12 days..didnt like some things and went back to Shiloh.So by the looks of things...since he was going to have to take a bit of a decreased role to allow a NFL coach to come in and help..he bailed..kind of like Damian Williams did...they are not team players..they are all for themselves.The way I see it..if you are not a TRUE Razorback..then Be Gone..GM and DW were not true Razorbacks and were only out for themselves...even the National Media is picking up on it and saying the same thing.
    I totally agree! Gus has a BIG ego and it showed from day one at the U of A when the other assistants felt he was "talking down" to them and then Gus went to Broyles about not getting the co-operation he needed to install his offense. That is what prompted the BIG meeting between Lindsay/Broyles and Nutt and his staff before the season even began!! You think that didn't upset Nutt?
    And the success at Shiloh and Springdale, with all those wins and championships, helped Gus to think he was invincible. He wrote the book and went on the speaking/seminar circuit. That just pumped him up even more. Christian man - yes; doesn't smoke or drink .. He and Rick Schaeffer are GOOD buddies.. EGO and control freak - yes... THAT got him in trouble from the getgo up on the hill...
    Should more of his HUNH offense been installed? yes  .. Were the players smart enough to comprehend the different sets and know their assignments within 4-5 seconds, standing on the O line? NO WAY... So, his offense was watered down 75%... The assistants "tolerated" him when they were winning but in the last 3 games when just FOUR or FIVE pass completions would have won those games, the passing failed, we lost and the ire struck up again. You could see it on the sidelines. Faces and swinging arms do not hide spur-of-the-moment feelings and all viewers on TV nationwide saw it too. THAT is what ESPN is referring to, in part.
   Lets pick up the sticks, hope enough players stay and buy into Lee on his THIRD stint with the Razorbacks. Nutt will be calling the plays this year (85% running plays) and when Felix and McFadden are gone, THEN what? 6-6 or 5-7 seasons and no bowls?  Better keep those 4 cupcakes on the schedule. And Texas now comes on board! There is one loss for sure..
Folks, I think MORE problems will come out these next few days to stir up the hostile fans a bit more.  Stand by . . . . . . .
   
Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: Lions84 on January 16, 2007, 01:12:16 pm
Nutt and Frank Lied   This offense won a NC this year and Nutt had no intention of turning over the reigns to GUS He hired GUS to get M-16 and the rest of the Springdale boys.
I hope the NCAA comes a calling and skins Franks and Nutts rearends for them!
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: Lions84 on January 16, 2007, 01:12:52 pm
Goodbye GUS we'll miss ya! :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: rdubs8 on January 16, 2007, 01:13:57 pm
Goodbye Mitch! We'll be missing you when you go to another SEC school and beat the crap out of us!
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: Lions84 on January 16, 2007, 01:14:46 pm
Oh Boy the Midline Option is coming back .....NOT!!! I rather have Coker that David Lee!
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: HSFBF on January 16, 2007, 01:19:13 pm
Invictus:  :   Your post earlier is so true about the OC's job and having to work with others at all times... a clap for you.. ;)  Malzahn, having to not answer to anyone at the high school level, thought it was going to be the same at the college level. Nope.
Title: Re: Weigh in with your vote on why Gus is going to Tulsa
Post by: Scrapper Slapper on January 16, 2007, 01:24:20 pm
Aren't #'s 3 and 7 the same?
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 16, 2007, 01:32:05 pm
Invictus:  :   Your post earlier is so true about the OC's job and having to work with others at all times... a clap for you.. ;)  Malzahn, having to not answer to anyone at the high school level, thought it was going to be the same at the college level. Nope.

Uh, no. How short is your memory? Houston Nutt came out and said that he was turning the offense over to Gus Malzahn. It would be "his" offense and his playcalling. The PR machine reminded us of that all throughout the spring, summer and most of fall.

HE LIED.

If we thought it would be Gus, it was because Houston Nutt TOLD us that it would be Gus.

And you're laying blame at Gus' feet when he never has whined about a lack of control. You're basing everything on supposition. I'm basing everything on fact.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 01:36:24 pm
Goodbye Mitch! We'll be missing you when you go to another SEC school and beat the crap out of us!

Mitch is staying..the semeter has already started so he is stuck..at least until after the Spring Game...but if he wants to bail..let him..I want TRUE Razorbacks.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: nfblaze on January 16, 2007, 02:04:40 pm
David Lee is Nutt's man:

Razorback Stats
Year                           2006            2001(David Lee-Qbs Coach)

Passing Attempts          302               281
Completions                 154               135
Yards                        2,093             1,626
YPG                            150               136
Passing TDs                  23                  10


Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: 6aaafan on January 16, 2007, 02:08:49 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.

Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 02:54:23 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.

Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.

Yeah. They won 8 games this year with a whopping 3 being against teams with winning records. The other 5 wins were against teams who raced home with a total of 18 wins among them.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 03:01:27 pm
David Lee has ACCEPTED according 103.3 radio station in Dallas
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: not ray on January 16, 2007, 03:09:59 pm
Invictus:  :   Your post earlier is so true about the OC's job and having to work with others at all times... a clap for you.. ;)  Malzahn, having to not answer to anyone at the high school level, thought it was going to be the same at the college level. Nope.

Uh, no. How short is your memory? Houston Nutt came out and said that he was turning the offense over to Gus Malzahn. It would be "his" offense and his playcalling. The PR machine reminded us of that all throughout the spring, summer and most of fall.

HE LIED.

If we thought it would be Gus, it was because Houston Nutt TOLD us that it would be Gus.

And you're laying blame at Gus' feet when he never has whined about a lack of control. You're basing everything on supposition. I'm basing everything on fact.

Fact is the boss has the right to change his mind at any time.  That is why people get fired.  Most people don't get hired and then told hey we are going to fire you soon.  Most are told about how great everything is going to be.   For whatever reason it was very evident that throwing the ball all around the field was going to result in losses.  Now if the guy I brought it was still detemined to throw the ball as the boss I am nixing that. 
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: The_Bomb on January 16, 2007, 03:11:46 pm
Have some of you thought of this possiblity:
Tulsa wins C-USA Championship.  Razorbacks finish say 8-4.  Tulsa gets automatic bid to Liberty Bowl.  Arkansas gets SEC invite to same place.  Are we looking at one of the most hyped bowl games the Razorbacks have ever played?

But, we are a long way from that happening and it may never take place.  But, it's nice to think about it.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 03:15:26 pm
Invictus:  :   Your post earlier is so true about the OC's job and having to work with others at all times... a clap for you.. ;)  Malzahn, having to not answer to anyone at the high school level, thought it was going to be the same at the college level. Nope.

Uh, no. How short is your memory? Houston Nutt came out and said that he was turning the offense over to Gus Malzahn. It would be "his" offense and his playcalling. The PR machine reminded us of that all throughout the spring, summer and most of fall.

HE LIED.

If we thought it would be Gus, it was because Houston Nutt TOLD us that it would be Gus.

And you're laying blame at Gus' feet when he never has whined about a lack of control. You're basing everything on supposition. I'm basing everything on fact.

Fact is the boss has the right to change his mind at any time.  That is why people get fired.  Most people don't get hired and then told hey we are going to fire you soon.  Most are told about how great everything is going to be.   For whatever reason it was very evident that throwing the ball all around the field was going to result in losses.  Now if the guy I brought it was still detemined to throw the ball as the boss I am nixing that. 

Coach Nutt is paid $1 million plus per year. Malzahn was paid considerably less than that. I think it was in the neighborhood of $175k per year. Now, who had the most to lose with a losing season? Like someone said, it doesn't take rocket science to figure this out. If Malzahn racks up big stats and the team still loses, he gets a bigger job at another school as some type of offensive "guru". If the team loses, then Nutt hits the road and might not get another chance at the big time. If I'm in Nutt's position, I'm never going to let a coach pad his resume at my expense. There are too many assistant-wanna-be's" out there to let that happen.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: 7AFball on January 16, 2007, 03:27:46 pm
 :)
 Heeeeeeres David! That's what Ed McMahon told me..
If Lee was so good, then why was he in a front office position at the Cowboys?
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: CIG13 on January 16, 2007, 03:28:09 pm
I just hope whoever gets it gives the ball to McFadden when its 4th & 1 !
Title: Re: Gus Malzahn To Tulsa
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 03:29:54 pm
Have some of you thought of this possiblity:
Tulsa wins C-USA Championship.  Razorbacks finish say 8-4.  Tulsa gets automatic bid to Liberty Bowl.  Arkansas gets SEC invite to same place.  Are we looking at one of the most hyped bowl games the Razorbacks have ever played?

But, we are a long way from that happening and it may never take place.  But, it's nice to think about it.

After all of this much-ado-about-really-nothing, I'm sure Reggie Herring would love to get ahold of a Malzahn offense.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: 7AFball on January 16, 2007, 03:31:20 pm
David Lee is Nutt's man:

Razorback Stats
Year                           2006            2001(David Lee-Qbs Coach)

Passing Attempts          302               281
Completions                 154               135
Yards                        2,093             1,626
YPG                            150               136
Passing TDs                  23                  10



Does THIS tell us something? And that's in a day when we were 50/50% pass/run. Must agree though that the last 3 games our totals on passing seemed about the same as 2001, anemic and will not complement the running. Look for 7-8 men in the "box" next year, forcing us to pass. Look for Mustain to be the QB since Lee likes him a lot, thinks he is pro material.
Title: Re: Who will replace Gus?
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 03:37:58 pm
David Lee is Nutt's man:

Razorback Stats
Year                           2006            2001(David Lee-Qbs Coach)

Passing Attempts          302               281
Completions                 154               135
Yards                        2,093             1,626
YPG                            150               136
Passing TDs                  23                  10



Does THIS tell us something? And that's in a day when we were 50/50% pass/run. Must agree though that the last 3 games our totals on passing seemed about the same as 2001, anemic and will not complement the running. Look for 7-8 men in the "box" next year, forcing us to pass. Look for Mustain to be the QB since Lee likes him a lot, thinks he is pro material.

I think Mustain has the stuff to get the job done if he can get his head in the right direction. Once he realizes that the team comes first and not how many passes he throws or how many his fellow Springdale whiners catch, he will be top notch. I think that David Lee can be the settling influence for him. Now, let's forget Gus and get to spring practice.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 16, 2007, 03:40:39 pm
IF Lee makes Mustain the performer/player that we all hoped he could be then this whole pile of crap might have been worth it!
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: TwoMinuteOffense on January 16, 2007, 03:44:06 pm
Have some of you thought of this possiblity:
Tulsa wins C-USA Championship.  Razorbacks finish say 8-4.  Tulsa gets automatic bid to Liberty Bowl.  Arkansas gets SEC invite to same place.  Are we looking at one of the most hyped bowl games the Razorbacks have ever played?

But, we are a long way from that happening and it may never take place.  But, it's nice to think about it.
Arkansas goes 6-6 and Tulsa goes undefeated and Malzahn gets asked back as head coach of the Razorbacks. Could happen.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: gameoflife on January 16, 2007, 03:50:00 pm
I think the only reason Nutt hired Gus to begin with was so the U of A might land some requits that they would not have gotten otherwise.  You won't hear it from Gus.  He is too classy a guy to go that route, but this move, to me, confirms what has been pretty obvious all year.  Nutt's ego won't let him stay out of the offense.  If you hire a guy to do a job, you should get out of the way and let him do that job.

I hope that the bridges haven't been completely burned, so that maybe someday, when Frank and HDN are gone, Gus could come back.  Of course, he may be too old by that time.

You may be right, but nobody but HDN and GM really know what the agreement was.  I doubt either is going to say, unless someone is writing another book.  HDN was the boss, GM was forced on him and the staff that is pretty clear from the beginning.  I never thought it a good idea and I don't think it is a great loss as far as the impact Gus has had so far, very little.  If he does well in the future in college we may be saying oops, but I doubt it.  I think he was a great high school coach with a great system and great athletes to run.  I don't yet beleive that transfers automatically to college.  He will still hve to prove it to me, and he might.  but I'm waiting.  I wonder, out of all the players that played for Gus, how many went on to college adn had a major impact at that level?  Not that many I can think of.  So maybe he is the key and maybe his players are not that skilled when facing the better talent.  We are going to get a chance to find out. 
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: gameoflife on January 16, 2007, 03:50:42 pm
Have some of you thought of this possiblity:
Tulsa wins C-USA Championship.  Razorbacks finish say 8-4.  Tulsa gets automatic bid to Liberty Bowl.  Arkansas gets SEC invite to same place.  Are we looking at one of the most hyped bowl games the Razorbacks have ever played?

But, we are a long way from that happening and it may never take place.  But, it's nice to think about it.
Arkansas goes 6-6 and Tulsa goes undefeated and Malzahn gets asked back as head coach of the Razorbacks. Could happen.
I'll buy you dinner if that happens.  NOT gooing to happen.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: gameoflife on January 16, 2007, 03:53:25 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.

Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.

Yeah. They won 8 games this year with a whopping 3 being against teams with winning records. The other 5 wins were against teams who raced home with a total of 18 wins among them.

Hey be careful here, the teams that Mr. Mustain Qbed against weren't too hot.  ONly 1 had a winning record.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: TwoMinuteOffense on January 16, 2007, 04:01:35 pm
Have some of you thought of this possiblity:
Tulsa wins C-USA Championship.  Razorbacks finish say 8-4.  Tulsa gets automatic bid to Liberty Bowl.  Arkansas gets SEC invite to same place.  Are we looking at one of the most hyped bowl games the Razorbacks have ever played?

But, we are a long way from that happening and it may never take place.  But, it's nice to think about it.
Arkansas goes 6-6 and Tulsa goes undefeated and Malzahn gets asked back as head coach of the Razorbacks. Could happen.
I'll buy you dinner if that happens.  NOT gooing to happen.

I don't think it will happen that way any time soon. But my prediction is Malzahn is head coach of Arkansas within 5 years. More like 3. Wait and see.
Title: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 04:11:11 pm
Supposedly Irwin just cut in on channel 5 to report the Mitch was going to Tulsa without a release.  Not confirmed, I did not see the broadcast.Seeing this on other boards.
Title: Re: Did Irwin Just Cut Into News 5..Mustain Gone?
Post by: Hawaii Five-0™ on January 16, 2007, 04:14:16 pm
http://www.kfsm.com/
Title: Re: Did Irwin Just Cut Into News 5..Mustain Gone?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 04:14:45 pm
Mitch Mustain Leaving University of Arkansas Football Team

Fayetteville, AR 5NEWS Mike Irwin has learned Mitch Mustain is leaving the University of Arkansas.  Independent sources confirm that Mitch is moving out of the Athletic Dorms this afternoon and won't be attending the University of Arkansas this spring.  This comes after yesterday's announcement that UA Offensive Coordinator Gus Malzahn is leaving for the University of Tulsa.

Mike Irwin will have a complete report tonight at 5 & 6 on 5NEWS.
5newsonline.com
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 04:18:22 pm
Looks like Cleveland is gone as well.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 04:19:55 pm
Press Conference at 4:30 pm
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: stina_ar on January 16, 2007, 04:22:27 pm
GOODBYE.


Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.

You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.


Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 04:23:09 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.

Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.

Yeah. They won 8 games this year with a whopping 3 being against teams with winning records. The other 5 wins were against teams who raced home with a total of 18 wins among them.

Hey be careful here, the teams that Mr. Mustain Qbed against weren't too hot.  ONly 1 had a winning record.

I'm talking about the team, not a particular player. Arkansas faced 7 teams with winning records and an 8th (Alabama) that was .500, 3 BCS teams (would have been 5 had Wisconsin and Auburn been eligible), and 8 bowl teams. Tulsa doesn't remotely get close to that and never will. Not in a  state with OU and OSU and in a territory that Arkansas raids for the best players.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 16, 2007, 04:23:35 pm
Thank God! Now we can get on with a true TEAM instead of a bunch of whiney quiters.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 04:25:15 pm
Razorback Freshman Quarterback Mitch Mustain is leaving the University of Arkansas, and plans to enroll at another University within the week.

Mustain has not yet been granted his release from Coach Houston Nutt, but we're told he plans to leave the University anyway.

This comes one day after the news that offensive coordinator Gus Malzhan is going to Tulsa.

5News Sports Director Mike Irwin will have details at 5 & 6.
http://5newsonline.com/Global/story.asp?S=5946776
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Big_Show on January 16, 2007, 04:25:37 pm
GOODBYE.


Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.

You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.




Yeah I know if I was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of high school and was promised Arkansas would throw the ball more and we didn't that I would stay and play in Houston Nutt's offense. Here is to hoping he goes to Tulsa and is an all american playing in Malzahn's system.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 04:28:03 pm
GOODBYE.


Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.

You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.




Yeah I know if I was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of high school and was promised Arkansas would throw the ball more and we didn't that I would stay and play in Houston Nutt's offense. Here is to hoping he goes to Tulsa and is an all american playing in Malzahn's system.

Yeah..if he could actually throw a ball and had receivers who could catch maybe they would have thrown the ball...but he couldnt and they didnt...we also had the best two backs in the country..
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: urban legend on January 16, 2007, 04:28:30 pm
This isn't really a big surprise, or shouldn't be. All of the Springdale guys, including Malzahn, planned to look elsewhere anyway, but decided to make that decision after the bowl game in order to keep the focus on actually winning the game. Damian just decided the time to do that was when he did it. The writing was on the wall a long, long time ago.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: RHS on January 16, 2007, 04:29:05 pm
I say see you later. Now his drama mama will be out of the mix as well. I just wish he could go somewhere away from Gus so we could all see what kind of QB he really is. IF MM ends up in the NFL, I wonder if he and his mom will try and get the team he goes to to try and hire Gus in some sort of capacity? There has been more drama from the Springdale group this year than anything combined in the past 10 years previous to this one.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 16, 2007, 04:30:15 pm
I sure hope we hand the ball off to McFadden enough next year so he doesn't quit in the middle of the year. Woops, he isn't a quiter. COMMITTMENT = Something the Springdale Quiters need to learn.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: olddog79 on January 16, 2007, 04:30:47 pm
I heard it was USC.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 04:31:34 pm
GOODBYE.


Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.

You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.





We will replace these "me" players with good "we" players. What a big mistake these guys are making. I guess the year off will help them mature. In reality, they should have redshirted when they came to Arkansas. There was way too much pressure on them out of HS. We won't miss them as much as people will think so now. Football aside, this is a life mistake in my opinion. I have long said that if you live in Arkansas, play for the Razorbacks, do well and the team succeeds, you can write your ticket in this state. Leave the state and people will forget you. Matt Jones is a great example. Had he left the state, let's say for Auburn, and succeeded there, we wouldn't clamor over him. But now, he is an icon in this state. The same is said for Corliss and many others who stayed and excelled. Now, these guys are just a couple of guys who rolled in for a year and then left. Too bad for them.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: stina_ar on January 16, 2007, 04:31:42 pm
GOODBYE.


Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.

You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.




Yeah I know if I was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of high school and was promised Arkansas would throw the ball more and we didn't that I would stay and play in Houston Nutt's offense. Here is to hoping he goes to Tulsa and is an all american playing in Malzahn's system.

 ::)
If I were the #1 highschool QB in America, I would know two things.

1- Don't go to the University of Arkansas because they are not a passing team. They have a Heisman runner-up in the backfield, hello.

2- HIGH SCHOOL and COLLEGE are two seperate playing fields and you must adjust accordingly. Sometimes the great hs players are average when they move up.

Oh, and I probably would regain control of my ballsack and make my mommy release her grip on it.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: thebigshot on January 16, 2007, 04:32:08 pm
I'm listen to drive time sports right now they are saying press conference at 4:30 and Mitch is going to Tulsa.

They also said that Nutt wasn't going give Mitch his release until the end of spring.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: urban legend on January 16, 2007, 04:34:03 pm
GOODBYE.


Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.

You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.




Yeah I know if I was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of high school and was promised Arkansas would throw the ball more and we didn't that I would stay and play in Houston Nutt's offense. Here is to hoping he goes to Tulsa and is an all american playing in Malzahn's system.

 ::)
If I were the #1 highschool QB in America, I would know two things.

1- Don't go to the University of Arkansas because they are not a passing team. They have a Heisman runner-up in the backfield, hello.

2- HIGH SCHOOL and COLLEGE are two seperate playing fields and you must adjust accordingly. Sometimes the great hs players are average when they move up.

Oh, and I probably would regain control of my ballsack and make my mommy release her grip on it.

I agree.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Mr_Deb on January 16, 2007, 04:34:08 pm
all i can say is wow.... good luck to malzahn mitch & damien and to whoever else with a piece of brain...  get out while the gettins good!
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 04:36:11 pm
GOODBYE.


Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.

You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.




Yeah I know if I was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of high school and was promised Arkansas would throw the ball more and we didn't that I would stay and play in Houston Nutt's offense. Here is to hoping he goes to Tulsa and is an all american playing in Malzahn's system.

I wonder if we would have had hi throw more if he had completed more passes. Let's remember, here is a QB that almost had as many interceptions (9) as he did TD's (10). Not good numbers. He should have hung on through the spring. If he developed like he is capable of, I think we would have seen more balance next year.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Hawaii Five-0™ on January 16, 2007, 04:38:39 pm
Mitch's Grandmother is talking live with Bo Mattley on Razarback Nation  :o :o
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: SMC on January 16, 2007, 04:39:30 pm
First of all I don't think that players the caliber of Damian Williams and Mitch Mustain are worried about how they will be perceived by Arkansans for the rest of their lives. They are worrying about trying to get to the National Football League, which they both have the talent to do.

Second of all it's sad that they actually believed that they would get to do their thing at Arkansas. Now they probably HOPED that they could come play for their favorite team, and get to do what they are good at, and get to the NFL. But then they got there, and things didn't go like they planned. So do you sit there and rot and "be a team player" or do you move on and do whats best for you?

Mitch Mustain is not Mitch Petrus. It's not just about being able to say you were a Razorback, it's about going to the next level. If Arkansas would have truly been the place to prepare these guys for the NFL then they would have stayed.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 16, 2007, 04:39:58 pm
Mustain completed a lot of passes, unfortunately for the Razorbacks it was too the wide open defensive back.  From what I saw the guy couldn't even complete a screen pass. I sure hope we put Tulsa on our warmup schedule.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Big_Show on January 16, 2007, 04:40:25 pm
Go Tulsa!
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Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 04:43:28 pm
Well...it goes to show..Mitch struggled in the Army All Star Game against talent of his level...but did great vs lesser talent in HS...went to the SEC with talent as good as him and he struggled..so now he goes to a conference with lesser talent..he should do well.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Big_Show on January 16, 2007, 04:44:31 pm
The truth is coming out right now on the Razorback Nation show!
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: stina_ar on January 16, 2007, 04:45:07 pm
First of all I don't think that players the caliber of Damian Williams and Mitch Mustain are worried about how they will be perceived by Arkansans for the rest of their lives. They are worrying about trying to get to the National Football League, which they both have the talent to do.

Second of all it's sad that they actually believed that they would get to do their thing at Arkansas. Now they probably HOPED that they could come play for their favorite team, and get to do what they are good at, and get to the NFL. But then they got there, and things didn't go like they planned. So do you sit there and rot and "be a team player" or do you move on and do whats best for you?

Mitch Mustain is not Mitch Petrus. It's not just about being able to say you were a Razorback, it's about going to the next level. If Arkansas would have truly been the place to prepare these guys for the NFL then they would have stayed.


 ::)

Oh, please.
Give me a freaking break.

Players of "calibur" (note the spelling), such as Damian and Mitch, should also be able to complete passes to their TEAMMATES (not the opposing team's defense) and catch a pass, right?

No one cares how Arkansans will perceive them. It's more like, "Why draw so much attention to yourselves when you didn't prove anything?"

These boys came in for ONE season and expected to be treated like gods.
When reality hit and they realized that there are guys that have put in 3 or 4 years to play and will play above them, they got upset and had their mommies deal with it.
Grow up. Be a man. Think about your team.
That's what football is about.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 04:45:38 pm
The truth is coming out right now on the Razorback Nation show!

What is being said?
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 16, 2007, 04:45:38 pm
Mustain belongs at UCA. We had a second stringer leave the team several years back and ended up doing quite well there.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: stina_ar on January 16, 2007, 04:46:36 pm
Well...it goes to show..Mitch struggled in the Army All Star Game against talent of his level...but did great vs lesser talent in HS...went to the SEC with talent as good as him and he struggled..so now he goes to a conference with lesser talent..he should do well.

EXACTLY
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: olddog79 on January 16, 2007, 04:47:16 pm
First of all I don't think that players the caliber of Damian Williams and Mitch Mustain are worried about how they will be perceived by Arkansans for the rest of their lives. They are worrying about trying to get to the National Football League, which they both have the talent to do.

Second of all it's sad that they actually believed that they would get to do their thing at Arkansas. Now they probably HOPED that they could come play for their favorite team, and get to do what they are good at, and get to the NFL. But then they got there, and things didn't go like they planned. So do you sit there and rot and "be a team player" or do you move on and do whats best for you?

Mitch Mustain is not Mitch Petrus. It's not just about being able to say you were a Razorback, it's about going to the next level. If Arkansas would have truly been the place to prepare these guys for the NFL then they would have stayed.
well said.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Big_Show on January 16, 2007, 04:51:48 pm
This sums up what is being said on the Bo Mattingly show about what has REALLY gone on....

Nutt didn't want Malzahn onboard at Arkansas
Nutt hasn't talked to Mustain in months, not even on the practice field.
The Springdale players and Malzahn were lied to to get them to come to Arkansas.
Nutt threatened Mustain that if he left he wasn't going to give him his release from his scholarship.
That Mitch wanted to stay a razorback even if it meant sitting on the bench a couple of years but when Malzahn left he felt he didn't have anybody he could talk to on the coaching staff.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: HA_Fan on January 16, 2007, 04:55:12 pm
This sums up what is being said on the Bo Mattingly show about what has REALLY gone on....

Nutt didn't want Malzahn onboard at Arkansas
Nutt hasn't talked to Mustain in months, not even on the practice field.
The Springdale players and Malzahn were lied to to get them to come to Arkansas.
Nutt threatened Mustain that if he left he wasn't going to give him his release from his scholarship.
That Mitch wanted to stay a razorback even if it meant sitting on the bench a couple of years but when Malzahn left he felt he didn't have anybody he could talk to on the coaching staff.

Sounds pretty solid to me.

Let the spin begin.  Get your blinders on Hog fans.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 04:55:39 pm
Why should he give him a release..he done drew the line for the boy and gave him a chance to go.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: HA_Fan on January 16, 2007, 04:57:00 pm
Why should he give him a release..he done drew the line for the boy and gave him a chance to go.

Circumstances have changed since then.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 16, 2007, 04:57:53 pm
Was the $175,000 salary and free education a lie too? I wonder what the lie consisted of exactly. Did Nutt tell them that the Springdale offense would be ran in the SEC. WOW. Now that would not be considered a lie, that would be a bunch of guys not smart enough to use common sense. I sure hope the Tulsa people tell them the truth.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 16, 2007, 08:26:17 pm
Thank God! Now we can get on with a true TEAM instead of a bunch of whiney quiters.
You're correct.  The "true Hog fans" are back to the way it was.  Just like you all wanted it.  Sorry Springdale screwed it up.  Have fun!!!  You'll be 8 - 4 at best next year and then it will get ugly.  This is the biggest joke of a school I've ever seen.   

Crosby Tuck of Shiloh, RUN away please.  Please don't do it.  Lee Ziemba, you seem to already be out of town, good for you.  Go to Auburn.  Tejada, the field goals are the same width at all schools, go kick at a real school. 

Mother's don't let your babies grow up to Razorbacks..
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: hogsfan4life on January 16, 2007, 08:27:38 pm
First of all I don't think that players the caliber of Damian Williams and Mitch Mustain are worried about how they will be perceived by Arkansans for the rest of their lives. They are worrying about trying to get to the National Football League, which they both have the talent to do.

Second of all it's sad that they actually believed that they would get to do their thing at Arkansas. Now they probably HOPED that they could come play for their favorite team, and get to do what they are good at, and get to the NFL. But then they got there, and things didn't go like they planned. So do you sit there and rot and "be a team player" or do you move on and do whats best for you?

Mitch Mustain is not Mitch Petrus. It's not just about being able to say you were a Razorback, it's about going to the next level. If Arkansas would have truly been the place to prepare these guys for the NFL then they would have stayed.


 ::)

Oh, please.
Give me a freaking break.

Players of "calibur" (note the spelling), such as Damian and Mitch, should also be able to complete passes to their TEAMMATES (not the opposing team's defense) and catch a pass, right?

No one cares how Arkansans will perceive them. It's more like, "Why draw so much attention to yourselves when you didn't prove anything?"

These boys came in for ONE season and expected to be treated like gods.
When reality hit and they realized that there are guys that have put in 3 or 4 years to play and will play above them, they got upset and had their mommies deal with it.
Grow up. Be a man. Think about your team.
That's what football is about.


Actually you spell caliber that way.. don't believe me look it up.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 16, 2007, 08:28:10 pm
This sums up what is being said on the Bo Mattingly show about what has REALLY gone on....

Nutt didn't want Malzahn onboard at Arkansas
Nutt hasn't talked to Mustain in months, not even on the practice field.
The Springdale players and Malzahn were lied to to get them to come to Arkansas.
Nutt threatened Mustain that if he left he wasn't going to give him his release from his scholarship.
That Mitch wanted to stay a razorback even if it meant sitting on the bench a couple of years but when Malzahn left he felt he didn't have anybody he could talk to on the coaching staff.
Isn't this NCAA investigation stuff?  Boy I hope so..
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 16, 2007, 08:29:45 pm
Mustain completed a lot of passes, unfortunately for the Razorbacks it was too the wide open defensive back.  From what I saw the guy couldn't even complete a screen pass. I sure hope we put Tulsa on our warmup schedule.
If he was that bad, why did Arkansas go get him?  You know you lost a year of QB recruiting now.  That was a good class as well.  Now you have Dick and Johnson.  Wow...
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: ASU Rugby on January 16, 2007, 08:32:54 pm
Thank God! Now we can get on with a true TEAM instead of a bunch of whiney quiters.
You're correct.  The "true Hog fans" are back to the way it was.  Just like you all wanted it.  Sorry Springdale screwed it up.  Have fun!!!  You'll be 8 - 4 at best next year and then it will get ugly.  This is the biggest joke of a school I've ever seen.  

Crosby Tuck of Shiloh, RUN away please.  Please don't do it.  Lee Ziemba, you seem to already be out of town, good for you.  Go to Auburn.  Tejada, the field goals are the same width at all schools, go kick at a real school. 

Mother's don't let your babies grow up to Razorbacks..

Im pretty sure Ziemba is committed to Auburn.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 16, 2007, 08:34:39 pm
Was the $175,000 salary and free education a lie too? I wonder what the lie consisted of exactly. Did Nutt tell them that the Springdale offense would be ran in the SEC. WOW. Now that would not be considered a lie, that would be a bunch of guys not smart enough to use common sense. I sure hope the Tulsa people tell them the truth.
You keep deflecting to Tulsa and wanting to play Tulsa etc..  This is about Arkansas and WHY they left, nowantobut isa
Was the $175,000 salary and free education a lie too? I wonder what the lie consisted of exactly. Did Nutt tell them that the Springdale offense would be ran in the SEC. WOW. Now that would not be considered a lie, that would be a bunch of guys not smart enough to use common sense. I sure hope the Tulsa people tell them the truth.
Free education?  Learning to work with a bunch of liars and unintelligent people without blowing your brains out.  I think Nutt should be extended to 2050.  I'm sure Frank will still have his hand on the controls from the grave.  Those two, and the UofA all deserve each other.  Love it. 
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 16, 2007, 08:35:48 pm
Thank God! Now we can get on with a true TEAM instead of a bunch of whiney quiters.
You're correct.  The "true Hog fans" are back to the way it was.  Just like you all wanted it.  Sorry Springdale screwed it up.  Have fun!!!  You'll be 8 - 4 at best next year and then it will get ugly.  This is the biggest joke of a school I've ever seen.  

Crosby Tuck of Shiloh, RUN away please.  Please don't do it.  Lee Ziemba, you seem to already be out of town, good for you.  Go to Auburn.  Tejada, the field goals are the same width at all schools, go kick at a real school. 

Mother's don't let your babies grow up to Razorbacks..

Im pretty sure Ziemba is committed to Auburn.
He should be.  That's a football program.  Both of his parents went there so they know the choice to make for sure.  Just need to get the others the heck out of there verbal commitments.  Houston knows the value of a verbal agreement.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 08:37:04 pm
This sums up what is being said on the Bo Mattingly show about what has REALLY gone on....

Nutt didn't want Malzahn onboard at Arkansas
Nutt hasn't talked to Mustain in months, not even on the practice field.
The Springdale players and Malzahn were lied to to get them to come to Arkansas.
Nutt threatened Mustain that if he left he wasn't going to give him his release from his scholarship.
That Mitch wanted to stay a razorback even if it meant sitting on the bench a couple of years but when Malzahn left he felt he didn't have anybody he could talk to on the coaching staff.


This "he lied to us" is getting old. And, I don't believe it is true. The circumstances just don't support it. Until Houston Nutt came calling, Malzahn was nothing more than a good HS coach. He won some state championships at Shiloh who get to recruit and then at Springdale with supreior HS talent. Every HS coach dreams of coaching at the college level. Few get the chance. What did Malzahn make at Springdale? $75k? Let's say it was an exorbant $100k. So, Houston comes calling. He gives Malzahn the opportunity to be an OC in the SEC, a $75k per year raise. Malzahn, at this point, is getting aroused and is about to explode. But, then, Houston breaks the bad news to him. He will be OC in name only. Houston is going to still call the plays. He wants to look at Malzahn's HUNH and spread, but tells him that the running game is and always will be the backbone of the team. Does Malzahn say "Well, coach, I appreciate the offer, but under those conditions, I'll have to decline and will wait on a better offer." Not in this lifetime. He says, "who cares. Where do I sign!" Houston and coach Broyles aren't stupid. They both knew they wouldn't have to sell the farm to get this guy. He would have crawled from Springdale to Fayetteville for this chance. As for Mustain, remember, he had committed to the U of A well before it was known that Malzahn would be coming. Yes, he reneged on his committment to reopen his recruiting, but had no real takers. Maybe they knew something we didn't.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 16, 2007, 08:40:12 pm
This sums up what is being said on the Bo Mattingly show about what has REALLY gone on....

Nutt didn't want Malzahn onboard at Arkansas
Nutt hasn't talked to Mustain in months, not even on the practice field.
The Springdale players and Malzahn were lied to to get them to come to Arkansas.
Nutt threatened Mustain that if he left he wasn't going to give him his release from his scholarship.
That Mitch wanted to stay a razorback even if it meant sitting on the bench a couple of years but when Malzahn left he felt he didn't have anybody he could talk to on the coaching staff.


This "he lied to us" is getting old. And, I don't believe it is true. The circumstances just don't support it. Until Houston Nutt came calling, Malzahn was nothing more than a good HS coach. He won some state championships at Shiloh who get to recruit and then at Springdale with supreior HS talent. Every HS coach dreams of coaching at the college level. Few get the chance. What did Malzahn make at Springdale? $75k? Let's say it was an exorbant $100k. So, Houston comes calling. He gives Malzahn the opportunity to be an OC in the SEC, a $75k per year raise. Malzahn, at this point, is getting aroused and is about to explode. But, then, Houston breaks the bad news to him. He will be OC in name only. Houston is going to still call the plays. He wants to look at Malzahn's HUNH and spread, but tells him that the running game is and always will be the backbone of the team. Does Malzahn say "Well, coach, I appreciate the offer, but under those conditions, I'll have to decline and will wait on a better offer." Not in this lifetime. He says, "who cares. Where do I sign!" Houston and coach Broyles aren't stupid. They both knew they wouldn't have to sell the farm to get this guy. He would have crawled from Springdale to Fayetteville for this chance. As for Mustain, remember, he had committed to the U of A well before it was known that Malzahn would be coming. Yes, he reneged on his committment to reopen his recruiting, but had no real takers. Maybe they knew something we didn't.
I think we should let an NCAA investigation prove this out.  I've been following that all day.  The lure the HS coach to get recruits etc...  It's in a gray area and I hope it goes to investigation.  Lets prove it all out.  NCAA investigation is like yelling FIRE, everyone will run until it's out.  Recruiting will grind to a halt.  Need to hit rock bottom.  Send it down to the bottom, not much farther to go.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Footballer on January 16, 2007, 08:46:57 pm
I hate to see him go, but he's doing what's best for him. He plans on being an NFL QB, and destination doesn't have an Arkansas stop on the way. I can't blame him one bit for leaving. Maybe wherever he plays next they won't bench him for winning 8 straight as a starter.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: softballash25 on January 16, 2007, 08:53:54 pm
Mother's don't let your babies grow up to Razorbacks..


ROFL   +1


Let them be Sooners instead.   ;D
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: bknittin on January 16, 2007, 09:14:28 pm
GOODBYE.


Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.

You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.



I agree with you.
 I am tired of the drama. They have been this way since 10 year old baseball.
Good riddance!
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Footballer on January 16, 2007, 09:16:48 pm
I hope he goes somewhere and wins the Heisman. Maybe then he'll show some people that he wasn't the problem.
Title: Mitch/Gus Thread Heap. All new threads will come here.
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 09:21:25 pm
The Springdale bunch has been the must disruptive bunch that I can remember UA ever having. I wonder how the season would have fared had these guys gone to other schools in the beginning. Their contribution to the team was marginal at best (although Cleveland and Williams were slightly more productive).

As you can tell, I am no Mustain fan. He was highly overated as proved when he played in the Army All American Bowl. The next school he goes to (possibly Tulsa, or a D2 school) will see a good QB, but not the prodigy that he has been made out to be.

I hope we all learn a lesson here...that is that NO PLAYER(s) are worth changing the offense or defense WITHOUT first proving themselves...and none of these guys proved anything other than their ability to be disruptive to the team and their teammates.

Bottom line is that they are quitters. If things don't go their way, they quit and look for around for someone that give in to their demands. These guys slapped every Razorback player in the face and let them down.

So Mitch, I wish you the best (really I do), but I think you'll find each time you quit or fail, you'll find your credibility and heart questioned.

It is too bad...you had so many role models up at UA to follow in the footsteps of...or to confide in, but you chose the low road long before you came to UA.

Wally
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: War Eagle on January 16, 2007, 09:24:43 pm
Ahhh it seems like just yesterday that Arkansas fans praised the coming of Mustain like he was Jesus.  Things change fast.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 09:25:39 pm
Ahhh it seems like just yesterday that Arkansas fans praised the coming of Mustain like he was Jesus.  Things change fast.

Read my posts...I don't think you'll find that in my case.

Wally
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 09:28:01 pm
GOODBYE.

He PROVED he is no all-american. Nor is he a role model.

Guess we all know how they raise 'em in Springdale now, don't we.

You don't get your way, you cry, stomp your feet, make your mommy do your dirty work, and leave.




Yeah I know if I was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of high school and was promised Arkansas would throw the ball more and we didn't that I would stay and play in Houston Nutt's offense. Here is to hoping he goes to Tulsa and is an all american playing in Malzahn's system.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: War Eagle on January 16, 2007, 09:28:34 pm
Ahhh it seems like just yesterday that Arkansas fans praised the coming of Mustain like he was Jesus.  Things change fast.

Read my posts...I don't think you'll find that in my case.

Wally

I read your post.  I think you're absolutly correct too but I'm talking about the Arkansas fans who believed he was all that.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: key_stone12 on January 16, 2007, 09:29:04 pm
Name some of the role models at the U of A.

One question?

Give me your take on what happened. I want to know.

Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: Super Scrapper on January 16, 2007, 09:30:10 pm
I certainly did not think he was ever all that good.  I always said he was overrated and was no where near the best QB in his class.  Now that he has proven that beyond a doubt to everyone in this state, we can move on.  If Frank will now get us a Coach it would be greatly appreciated....SS

Go Scrappers/Go Hogs
;D
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 09:31:09 pm
Mustain completed a lot of passes, unfortunately for the Razorbacks it was too the wide open defensive back.  From what I saw the guy couldn't even complete a screen pass. I sure hope we put Tulsa on our warmup schedule.
If he was that bad, why did Arkansas go get him?  You know you lost a year of QB recruiting now.  That was a good class as well.  Now you have Dick and Johnson.  Wow...
Actually, he came BACK to Arkansas after that FLOP in All-American game.  Remember...
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 09:32:38 pm
I hope he goes somewhere and wins the Heisman. Maybe then he'll show some people that he wasn't the problem.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
Now that IS the funniest thing I have ever heard. Maybe someone will buy him one.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 09:33:45 pm
I hate to see him go, but he's doing what's best for him. He plans on being an NFL QB, and destination doesn't have an Arkansas stop on the way. I can't blame him one bit for leaving. Maybe wherever he plays next they won't bench him for winning 8 straight as a starter.
You're talking about arena football, right. Seriously.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: mudturtle on January 16, 2007, 09:35:47 pm
I hate to see him go, but he's doing what's best for him. He plans on being an NFL QB, and destination doesn't have an Arkansas stop on the way.

Every high school stud wants to be an NFL QB (prolly Matt Jones too). 

Playing against a bunch of HS teams made up of whatever talent lived in the district, MM looked pretty good.  Against a group of selected players in the All Star game, he looked like a deer in the head lights.  As a Razorback he looked like a freshman who might be good enough to start.

I can see Ms Campbell talking the the GM of the Giants, "Do you mind trading away your Pro Bowl running backs?  My son really prefers not to have them overshadow his talent."

He is probably a nice kid, but there are 240 nice kids who are college QBs and all of them want to be drafted in the first round............get an education.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 09:36:49 pm
Name some of the role models at the U of A.

One question?

Give me your take on what happened. I want to know.


Well, the obvious one would be Robert Johnson, Weston Dacus, Olajabutu...these are guys that put the word TEAM into teammates.

Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: key_stone12 on January 16, 2007, 09:37:22 pm
The ignorance of many members I had respect for is starting to show its true colors.

Mitch isn't an ego maniac. Unlike Nutt.
Damian is an intelligent person. Unlike Dale.

Mitch, Damian, and Gus have done what is in their best interest. Leaving the mess of what is now Arkansas football is an intelligent decision.


Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Anaxagoras on January 16, 2007, 09:40:11 pm
I hope he goes somewhere and wins the Heisman. Maybe then he'll show some people that he wasn't the problem.

Thats what I'm hoping as well...
Frick the MSM
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 09:42:05 pm
The ignorance of many members I had respect for is starting to show its true colors.

Mitch isn't an ego maniac. Unlike Nutt.
Damian is an intelligent person. Unlike Dale.
Mitch has an inflated ego...maybe not an ego maniac (yet).

Damian...I understand is a very intelligent guy. Of the two...the only one with a true shot in the NFL.

Nutt...I won't make a comment either way...except to say, regardless of where you stand on his coaching skills...he got to where he is by working hard. The Springdale boys need to look up the words, EARN, RESPECT, CLASS, HUMILITY.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 09:43:37 pm
I can't believe how some of you guys are putting all of this on Mustain. What reason does he have to stay? If someone lied to my face and made empty promises what would I owe them? Absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: key_stone12 on January 16, 2007, 09:43:38 pm
The spin doctors in this state have so much talent.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 09:44:15 pm
I hate to see him go, but he's doing what's best for him. He plans on being an NFL QB, and destination doesn't have an Arkansas stop on the way.

Every high school stud wants to be an NFL QB (prolly Matt Jones too). 

Playing against a bunch of HS teams made up of whatever talent lived in the district, MM looked pretty good.  Against a group of selected players in the All Star game, he looked like a deer in the head lights.  As a Razorback he looked like a freshman who might be good enough to start.

I can see Ms Campbell talking the the GM of the Giants, "Do you mind trading away your Pro Bowl running backs?  My son really prefers not to have them overshadow his talent."

He is probably a nice kid, but there are 240 nice kids who are college QBs and all of them want to be drafted in the first round............get an education.

Sports is like a great funnel. There are hundreds and hundreds of high school senior QB's every year. Heck. just look at the number in Arkansas alone. Those are funneled down to less than 300 colleges with maybe 3 QB's on each team. Let's say a third of those are seniors each year so then maybe 100 college QB's are funneled down to maybe 4 or 5 spots a year. To make it in the NFL, Mustain will have 4 years to develop into one of the 4 or 5 best QB's in the country. I hope it happens for him since it is his dream, but I don't see it happening. He first committed to the U of A then reopened his recruiting. But, there were no takers. Does that mean that college coaches in the top programs he wanted to look at didn't know what they were doing or did that mean that they saw him for what he is: a good HS QB who is a project 2 or 3 years away?
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: HA_Fan on January 16, 2007, 09:45:01 pm
This "he lied to us" is getting old. And, I don't believe it is true. The circumstances just don't support it.

What?!

EVERYTHING that has happened in the last week (and the last half of the season) points to it.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: key_stone12 on January 16, 2007, 09:46:01 pm
They know those words. Quite well.

Mitch's ego isn't inflated. Anyone close to him knows that.

Sure you lens isn't out of focus? Why doesn't Mitch have a fair shot? Great arm, good body, and a now potent offense at Tulsa.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 09:48:35 pm
This "he lied to us" is getting old. And, I don't believe it is true. The circumstances just don't support it.

Truth is that NOBODY knows but these guys for sure. What has happened this week doesn't really point to anything except we have some unhappy people leaving an institution where they did not get their way. Pretty simple really.

What?!

EVERYTHING that has happened in the last week (and the last half of the season) points to it.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 09:49:51 pm
I can't believe how some of you guys are putting all of this on Mustain. What reason does he have to stay? If someone lied to my face and made empty promises what would I owe them? Absolutely nothing.
Hmm...I thought football was a tough game...both physically and MENTALLY. He cracked!
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: HA_Fan on January 16, 2007, 09:50:31 pm
Truth is that NOBODY knows but these guys for sure. What has happened this week doesn't really point to anything except we have some unhappy people leaving an institution where they did not get their way. Pretty simple really.

Those guys don't just leave without a reason.  It's obvious that they were sold a bill of goods to get them to Fayetteville.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: mudturtle on January 16, 2007, 09:53:14 pm
What?!

EVERYTHING that has happened in the last week (and the last half of the season) points to it.

OK.  WHAT EXACTLY was the lie? 

Did Nutt say, "I promise you will start every game".  Did he say, "I promise you will catch 60 passes a year."  Did he say, "Gus is the OC".  Did he say, "We will run the HUNH exclusively".  Did he say, "I promise you will have 100% say over the offense."

Did he say, "You guys are going to be the cornerstone of our team"?  (Shoot if that counts as a lie, lets just say all coaches lie and be done with it.)

I wasn't involved so I don't really know.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 09:54:03 pm
Quote
Those guys don't just leave without a reason.  It's obvious that they were sold a bill of goods to get them to Fayetteville.

They did not get their way...they quit, then they left.
Title: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: thebigshot on January 16, 2007, 09:54:15 pm
I don't know if this has been asked or not. Has anybody heard anything about ben cleveland also might be leaving for Tulsa ?

Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 09:55:33 pm
This "he lied to us" is getting old. And, I don't believe it is true. The circumstances just don't support it.



What?!

EVERYTHING that has happened in the last week (and the last half of the season) points to it.

I don't think it points to it at all. Like I said, Malzahn would have crawled to be an OC in the SEC without any promises at all. Maybe what happened, and the game tapes would prove this I think, was that mid-season, it was apparent that Mustain wasn't ready for an all out air attack at the college level. Maybe someone was smart enough to realize (and even Malzahn said this) that the backbone of the team was in its running game. Why would anyone with an ounce of football knowlege believe that we should have abandoned a ground attack that was one of the top in the nation to run an unproven offense without the experience to do so? There were no lies. That is just what the naysayers want to believe. These were some HS prima donnas who thought they were coming in to save the day. Cleveland and Williams measured up thought Williams had the T.O. philosophy that every ball should come his way. Mustain just wasn't ready. Next year, we will have forgotten them.
Title: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: RD™ on January 16, 2007, 09:58:12 pm
I have been keeping up with College Football (hardcore) since I was about 14, the Internet was fast becoming available in homes all across America, these great things called Chat Rooms existed on AOL, when you could talk to someone else about the game, the players, the coaches it was great. Then came along the Message Board, you posted a message, and people replies to it. The Evolution of the way we follow a game, the way we perceive the game we love to follow, and the way we perceive reality of a team we follow have changed due to the Internet.

Most may not agree, most will say bullsheet, but I am one of the most hardcore Razorback fans on here. Do I say the normal "oh I'm done, I'm not watching, bla bla bla oyoyoyoy Nutt, Heath..." yup I sure I am, but that is because I love the Razorbacks. However the last few days has been a test for Razorback fans all across the State, Nation, and the World.

Almost one year ago we were under the impression the good times were coming, the offense was changing, we would be chucking the ball 45 times a game, putting up ungodly sick numbers, Mustain was the Savior QB we have been looking for since Joe Ferguson, Gus Malzhan was the heir apparent to Nutt, when the Old Man finally kicks the bucket. All was wonderful in Razorback Land, the Basketball Hawgs were doing awesome, winning games they shouldn't against Florida, Alabama and such, the Diamond Hogs back in the NCAA Baseball Tournament, life couldn't have been better for a Razorback Fan.

Some people do question why do Razorback fans get so up in arms about every little thing that happens on The Hill? Why is it that every little "occurence" seems like life and death for a program, that for so long has struggled to return to it's once proud National Dominance. Simple. It's all we have, we don't have a pro team in this state to root for, we have to root for other regional professional teams, the vast majority of this state does. For most, they don't, the Razorbacks is all they have, my Grandpa has been a Razorback fan longer than most of us combined have. Tonight he called me and he said that he can't pull for a team, that is full of drama, soap operas, parents talking to coaches, deceit, conspiracy, he equalled it to pulling for a "politician running against his worst enemy". That got me thinking about everything that has gone on the last few days? Am I still a Razorback Fan? I am split, you don't know what to believe, the media feeds you everything, all the message boards feed you everything? Do we not have enough information to make our own judgements? Our own interperations as to what is going on? We have all formulated opinions, such as "Glad Springdale Mafia is Gone", "Nutt and Frank are killing the program", "There is no control on The Hill", "The Springdale Kids are all about them", "Gus was overrated anyways", all these opinions are formulated based on what you want to believe.

Now most people do know I am no Houston Nutt supporter by any means, met the man, nice guy, great personality, awesome attitude, but he can't coach, he has proved it for the past 5 years at least, he refuses to excel to get better. A shotgun wedding was not the answer to fixing the Razorbacks he knew it, Frank knew it, but it did get some of the most hightly recruited and wanted players in the history of Razorback Football and it looks like it has paid a price.

No doubt, the last few days have divided this state as to what to believe? Who to believe, and why to believe it. Malzhan is going to do his thing at Tulsa no questions asked, Mustain will sit a year and lose experience and hopes he can beat out another seasoned, veteran quarterback, Damian Williams is going to try and beat out some of the best WR talent, this side of the Mississippi, Ben Cleveland, Andre Norman who knows, and you know who cares, the best of luck to them.

The Drama is over with the Springale Kids, they have disrupted the program, and nothing good has come of them since arriving, it's been me me me me me me with them, and tonight I finally realized it. However, I still want Nutt gone, I want a complete and absolute re-rorg of the Razorback Football Program, and if suffering through years of below .500 happens, so be it, but I know with our fans, our facilities, our support, we can get better coaching, better players, players that want to be on a team, and not look out for themselves.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: zebradynasty on January 16, 2007, 09:58:15 pm
You got a good point look at the kids from Little Rock from 2003-2004 Championship Teams they came in and worked hard proved themselves on the field and for the most part have been excellent teamates. I have never saw the, "You owe me something because I won a state championship attitude." Travel up the interstate a little bit and the kids from Springdale (Actually the parents and big boosters) decided who would be their college coach, the offense they would run, how much playing time they should get, basically ran the team! You are 110% correct no player(s) more important than the program! It was a mistake to act like Arkansas recruiting would fall off the earth if we didn't land the Springdale bunch! When has that area ever produced QUALITY D-1 players? The impact players that UA needs will come from outsided the state (mostly Texas) and the south, central part of Arkansas and its been that way for years! The wasted time and energy recruiting them could have been spent recruiting other players and by now the Springdale 5 would be forgotten! Give me kids that are glad for the opportunity to play. Not those that play for an opportunity!
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: T1amazn on January 16, 2007, 09:58:36 pm
I'm glad it's over.  I can see if we went 4-7 and got badly beat that you would have something like this, but we went 10-4. It should be quiet in the hills.  I wish we would have not recuited Mitch even though he was 7-0. I know we didn't recuit his mom.  Some of the blame goes on Nutt.
If I was the AD, I would had fire Nutt in 2003.  Mitch was overrated. His timing was off all season. He couldn't throw short routes good. Mitch would overthrow while Dick would underthrow.  At least the locker room should be quiet. Houston Nutt, put Mcfadden at QB and Jones at TB all season.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: mudturtle on January 16, 2007, 09:59:09 pm
Sure you lens isn't out of focus? Why doesn't Mitch have a fair shot? Great arm, good body, and a now potent offense at Tulsa.

Strike 1 = inability to stand out in college against some pretty mediocre competition.

Strike 2 = his tailback had a similar completion average with fewer interceptions.

Strike 3 = he will likely do well in a Division 1AA school, get drafted in a late round, sign an NFL contract, go to pre-season, get moved to WR, and get canned after his mother punches out the coaches and calls a press conference.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 10:05:38 pm
I can't believe how some of you guys are putting all of this on Mustain. What reason does he have to stay? If someone lied to my face and made empty promises what would I owe them? Absolutely nothing.
Hmm...I thought football was a tough game...both physically and MENTALLY. He cracked!

If someone promised you your dream job, a high dollar salary, & a good work enviornment, and your job sucked, you didn't get paid what you were promised, and you had a terrible work enviornment would you want a new job? I know I would.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: mudturtle on January 16, 2007, 10:05:49 pm
What reason does he have to stay?

UH.......?  As a freshman he started half the season on team that went to a championship game and a January 1 bowl.....
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Billy Bob on January 16, 2007, 10:05:56 pm
Who's Mitch Mustain??? :)
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 10:06:43 pm
Sure you lens isn't out of focus? Why doesn't Mitch have a fair shot? Great arm, good body, and a now potent offense at Tulsa.
**I think he has slightly less than fair shot.
**Yep...great arm STRENGTH, but no accuracy...also does not      possess the "touch" that so many great QB's have.
**If there is a potent offense at Tulsa...then they need to stay with what they have...otherwise an "impotent" offense if his performance last year is any indication.

Oh, and I forgot...his biggest weakness...he is not mobile in any sense of the word.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: mudturtle on January 16, 2007, 10:08:05 pm
If someone promised you your dream job, a high dollar salary, & a good work enviornment, and your job sucked, you didn't get paid what you were promised, and you had a terrible work enviornment would you want a new job? I know I would.

Did they really not pay Malzahn?  Those dirty S.Bs
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 10:09:37 pm
What reason does he have to stay?

UH.......?  As a freshman he started half the season on team that went to a championship game and a January 1 bowl.....

Gets promised that will run the HUNH, gets benched for someone who's on the same level as him, and get lied to.

Nutt is lonely go hug his nuts.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: CHSTigersFan on January 16, 2007, 10:09:55 pm
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I think if half the team said "Nutt Sucks" maybe the UofA would send him packing.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 10:09:57 pm
If someone promised you your dream job, a high dollar salary, & a good work enviornment, and your job sucked, you didn't get paid what you were promised, and you had a terrible work enviornment would you want a new job? I know I would.

Did they really not pay Malzahn?  Those dirty S.Bs

I was talking about Mustain hick bag.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 10:10:42 pm
I can't believe how some of you guys are putting all of this on Mustain. What reason does he have to stay? If someone lied to my face and made empty promises what would I owe them? Absolutely nothing.
Hmm...I thought football was a tough game...both physically and MENTALLY. He cracked!

If someone promised you your dream job, a high dollar salary, & a good work enviornment, and your job sucked, you didn't get paid what you were promised, and you had a terrible work enviornment would you want a new job? I know I would.
Performance...there was very little of it. This team was successful due to it's running game. Had Casey Dick started those 7 games that Mustain got "CREDIT" for...the win/loss at Arkansas would still be the same. Neither QB was responsible for even one win...at least not directly...DMAC and FJ were impact players.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: CHSTigersFan on January 16, 2007, 10:13:02 pm
If Arkansas would have run Gus's offense then I bet Gus would still be at Arkansas as would Mustain. As it is when you have HDN running the show any OC they bring in is gonna have the same trouble, now don't get me wrong I am not a hog fan at all, but Mustain did do pretty good at Springdale running Gus's offense. It all boils down to Nutt Sucks, thank GOD he didn't go to LSU a couple of years back.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Billy Bob on January 16, 2007, 10:13:53 pm
I want a complete and absolute re-rorg of the Razorback Football Program, and if suffering through years of below .500 happens, so be it, but I know with our fans, our facilities, our support, we can get better coaching, better players, players that want to be on a team, and not look out for themselves.

Amen, RD. I would suffer through 5 seasons of below .500 in order to get the program re-organized. I agree, with the support of the Razorback fans...our program would be up and running better than it is now with a few changes.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 10:14:25 pm
Sure you lens isn't out of focus? Why doesn't Mitch have a fair shot? Great arm, good body, and a now potent offense at Tulsa.
**I think he has slightly less than fair shot.
**Yep...great arm STRENGTH, but no accuracy...also does not      possess the "touch" that so many great QB's have.
**If there is a potent offense at Tulsa...then they need to stay with what they have...otherwise an "impotent" offense if his performance last year is any indication.

Wherever he goes, I think the year off and two spring practices will help him. But, the NFL, he is a long way away on that one. If he runs up some impressive passing stats, he might get a late round pick, but won't stick for long on a roster. What was the guy's name at Texas Tech a few years ago that racked up thousands of yards in their spread offense? Where is he now? Anyone know? Then, there is the QB from Hawaii a couple of years ago that went nowhere. The point is that there are dozens of college QB's who can pass and pass for a lot of yards. The few who can lead are the ones who make it. Mustain would have shown great leadership by saying "I'm on this team to win. I'm here for as long as they will have me and I'll do everything I can to win. Even if it means passing 3 times a game and handing the ball to a couple of all-american running backs the rest of the time. By the way, most of the coaches in the pass-happy NFL would give their right arm for a quality running game. Why should we be any different. What was it Lou Holtz said: "when you pass, three things can happen and two of them are bad." Run if you can. Pass if you have to.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 10:15:36 pm
I can't believe how some of you guys are putting all of this on Mustain. What reason does he have to stay? If someone lied to my face and made empty promises what would I owe them? Absolutely nothing.
Hmm...I thought football was a tough game...both physically and MENTALLY. He cracked!

If someone promised you your dream job, a high dollar salary, & a good work enviornment, and your job sucked, you didn't get paid what you were promised, and you had a terrible work enviornment would you want a new job? I know I would.
Performance...there was very little of it. This team was successful due to it's running game. Had Casey Dick started those 7 games that Mustain got "CREDIT" for...the win/loss at Arkansas would still be the same. Neither QB was responsible for even one win...at least not directly...DMAC and FJ were impact players.

He was never given a chance to run the offense he was promised we would use. Hate to break it to you man, but once Jones & McFadden are gone, Nutt is in deep trouble.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: Billy Bob on January 16, 2007, 10:17:59 pm
Didn't Ben Cleveland state that he would be a Razorback for the next three years no matter what??? I'm not 100% on this, but I think I remember him saying that on Channel 5 news. His dad was the one pushing him to leave, and he pretty much said that it was his decision, not his dads.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: mudturtle on January 16, 2007, 10:18:42 pm
What reason does he have to stay?

UH.......?  As a freshman he started half the season on team that went to a championship game and a January 1 bowl.....

Gets promised that will run the HUNH, gets benched for someone who's on the same level as him, and get lied to.

Nutt is lonely go hug his nuts.

I'm no Nutt fan and don't care one way of the other about Mustain.

But in the history of college football, do you think any college program has made absolute promises to an incoming freshman like that.  "No matter what happens, even if a John Elway transfers, even if Herschel Walker enrolls, we absolutely promise we will let you start every down and we will let you call the plays from the huddle."

Now how about, "Well you know Gus is the OC, and Gus likes the HUNH he thinks you are the best, so come here."
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: RD™ on January 16, 2007, 10:18:56 pm
Fine let him leave.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 10:21:40 pm
As long as it makes Nutt look bad to boosters I really don't care.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 10:23:14 pm
Quote
He was never given a chance to run the offense he was promised we would use. Hate to break it to you man, but once Jones & McFadden are gone, Nutt is in deep trouble.
You are talking future....we are talking about last year.

NEWSBREAK....McFadden finishes 2nd in Heisman Trophy Race. Yeah, we should have passed.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 10:23:55 pm
Hey all of you people who claim to know football Ive got a question for you.


If you was a coach who had a couple of QB's who couldnt hardly throw a ball and a couple of receivers who couldnt hardly catch a ball..then you had two solid backs who could take it to the house on any given play...what game plan would you use?

Just wondering.Personally..Id use what worked.Which happened to be the running game.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: GBdog2003 on January 16, 2007, 10:23:57 pm
glad im not a UofA fan
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 10:24:02 pm
In my opinion, Ben has the best chance of all of the Springdale whiners to make it in the NFL. Tight ends who can block and have soft hands are at a premium. He will get plenty of run blocking experience at Arkansas (blocking for the front-runner for the Heisman will help immensly) and Nutt has made good use of the tight end in the past. If he is smart, he will stay and develop into what the NFL badly wants. Some will say Williams has the best chance. But, fast wide receivers are a dime a dozen each year. He's good, but not that good.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 10:24:15 pm
to all haters: it sounds like you would  have Mitch before McFadden, then when Mitch didn't
produce you would blame someone for not running McFadden. you are causing this drama
maybe you could not see our talent was running not passing. you have to have a q back
that cant effectively get the ball to receivers to run that offense. maybe our coaches
knew that our talent was not ready for  that style . if they did run that offense and did not win
you would blame them for not running more. people please get real.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: dc24 on January 16, 2007, 10:24:16 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.

Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.

Yeah. They won 8 games this year with a whopping 3 being against teams with winning records. The other 5 wins were against teams who raced home with a total of 18 wins among them.

The year before Tulsa won 9 or 10 games and beat Fresno State in the Liberty Bowl, beat them pretty handily I believe.  Fresno State took USC to the wire that year.  Please do not insult Tulsa just to make UA's situation look better.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: RGP on January 16, 2007, 10:24:43 pm
I think the only thing that would help now would be to clean house...but the thing that makes the Hogs great is the wild fans we have...we can make a difference in the program by many ways...I as well am willing to risk a few years to see this program rise to where it should be...
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddings!
Post by: xtremewildcat on January 16, 2007, 10:25:44 pm
I have a question. If MM was lied to, what was he told. I remember him saying that he did not mind being redshirted this year. Why would he say that? Also, answer this, how many games would we have won with MM being the QB and running Gus's offense this past fall.
Now, if HDN told them, they would start as freshmen and Mahlzans offense would be put in last summer, Nutt should be fired. You don't guarantee playing time to freshmen or change to a new scheme when you have the personell we did coming back. How do we know Nutt would not have gone to the type of offense those guys wanted. I would, if in the next couple of years, MM grew into the QB we think he will.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 10:28:46 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.

Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.

Yeah. They won 8 games this year with a whopping 3 being against teams with winning records. The other 5 wins were against teams who raced home with a total of 18 wins among them.

Hey be careful here, the teams that Mr. Mustain Qbed against weren't too hot.  ONly 1 had a winning record.

I'm talking about the team, not a particular player. Arkansas faced 7 teams with winning records and an 8th (Alabama) that was .500, 3 BCS teams (would have been 5 had Wisconsin and Auburn been eligible), and 8 bowl teams. Tulsa doesn't remotely get close to that and never will. Not in a  state with OU and OSU and in a territory that Arkansas raids for the best players.

We raid Oklahoma for talent? Other than Felix Jones, what star players have we pulled out of Oklahoma?
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 10:33:09 pm
Hey all of you people who claim to know football Ive got a question for you.


If you was a coach who had a couple of QB's who couldnt hardly throw a ball and a couple of receivers who couldnt hardly catch a ball..then you had two solid backs who could take it to the house on any given play...what game plan would you use?

Just wondering.Personally..Id use what worked.Which happened to be the running game.

RT I agree with you, but you don't make promises you can't, and won't, keep. That is what Nutt did and that is why I have so much venom for him.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 10:34:26 pm
Hey all of you people who claim to know football Ive got a question for you.


If you was a coach who had a couple of QB's who couldnt hardly throw a ball and a couple of receivers who couldnt hardly catch a ball..then you had two solid backs who could take it to the house on any given play...what game plan would you use?

Just wondering.Personally..Id use what worked.Which happened to be the running game.

RT I agree with you, but you don't make promises you can't, and won't, keep. That is what Nutt did and that is why I have so much venom for him.

How do we know they were truly promised this?How do we know they are not lying to try and cover their rears?
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 10:36:54 pm
Quote
RT I agree with you, but you don't make promises you can't, and won't, keep. That is what Nutt did and that is why I have so much venom for him.
Again, it has not been proven that ANYONE was promised ANYTHING.

I wonder if Mitch PROMISED the coach he would have a stellar year. I just don't think it happened.
BUT...
If promises were made...NEITHER of the guys kept their promise.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 10:38:59 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.

Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.

Yeah. They won 8 games this year with a whopping 3 being against teams with winning records. The other 5 wins were against teams who raced home with a total of 18 wins among them.

The year before Tulsa won 9 or 10 games and beat Fresno State in the Liberty Bowl, beat them pretty handily I believe.  Fresno State took USC to the wire that year.  Please do not insult Tulsa just to make UA's situation look better.

They won 9 including a 7 point win over Fresno in the Liberty bowl. Still, they don't even come close to the caliber of play the Hogs face in the SEC. Sure, we have our patsies. Every school does. The difference is, Tulsa is usually the patsie for a couple of tier 1 schools. Even after a 9 win season and a bowl victory over a nationally recognized team, this year their top attendance was 28,000. Year after next, Mustain will walk out on the field and wonder where all of the people are. It will seem like a canyon after playing before 70,000+ when at Arkansas. But, it's all about him and his stats so maybe he can rack those up at Tulsa. He won't have crowd noise to distract him.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 10:39:32 pm
Quote
RT I agree with you, but you don't make promises you can't, and won't, keep. That is what Nutt did and that is why I have so much venom for him.
Again, it has not been proven that ANYONE was promised ANYTHING.

I wonder if Mitch PROMISED the coach he would have a stellar year. I just don't think it happened.
BUT...
If promises were made...NEITHER of the guys kept their promise.

If nothing was promised, then why would two kids decommit a top notch football school like Florida for Arkansas if they weren't promised something? Whatever you are smoking I would like some of it.

I'll give Nutt this, he'd be one heck of a snake oil salesman.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 10:40:39 pm
Man you really need to lay off the Murray State Mafia's kool aid.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 10:40:44 pm
to all haters: it sounds like you would  have Mitch before McFadden, then when Mitch didn't
produce you would blame someone for not running McFadden. you are causing this drama
maybe you could not see our talent was running not passing. you have to have a q back
that cant effectively get the ball to receivers to run that offense. maybe our coaches
knew that our talent was not ready for  that style . if they did run that offense and did not win
you would blame them for not running more. people please get real.

The best and most accurate post of the day!!!!
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: xtremewildcat on January 16, 2007, 10:41:05 pm
Quote
RT I agree with you, but you don't make promises you can't, and won't, keep. That is what Nutt did and that is why I have so much venom for him.
Again, it has not been proven that ANYONE was promised ANYTHING.

I wonder if Mitch PROMISED the coach he would have a stellar year. I just don't think it happened.
BUT...
If promises were made...NEITHER of the guys kept their promise.

If nothing was promised, then why would two kids decommit a top notch football school like Florida for Arkansas if they weren't promised something? Whatever you are smoking I would like some of it.

I'll give Nutt this, he'd be one heck of a snake oil salesman.

Tell me what YOU think Nutt told them that made them come to UA.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 10:41:18 pm
Quote
RT I agree with you, but you don't make promises you can't, and won't, keep. That is what Nutt did and that is why I have so much venom for him.
Again, it has not been proven that ANYONE was promised ANYTHING.

I wonder if Mitch PROMISED the coach he would have a stellar year. I just don't think it happened.
BUT...
If promises were made...NEITHER of the guys kept their promise.

If nothing was promised, then why would two kids decommit a top notch football school like Florida for Arkansas if they weren't promised something? Whatever you are smoking I would like some of it.

I'll give Nutt this, he'd be one heck of a snake oil salesman.
They figured out they would not play at all at those schools during their freshman year...at least at Arkansas they played...and that still was not good enough. Perhaps they will find a college team that will BUILD a team around them in which they can SHINE for the great athletes they are.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 10:42:13 pm
Quote
RT I agree with you, but you don't make promises you can't, and won't, keep. That is what Nutt did and that is why I have so much venom for him.
Again, it has not been proven that ANYONE was promised ANYTHING.

I wonder if Mitch PROMISED the coach he would have a stellar year. I just don't think it happened.
BUT...
If promises were made...NEITHER of the guys kept their promise.

If nothing was promised, then why would two kids decommit a top notch football school like Florida for Arkansas if they weren't promised something? Whatever you are smoking I would like some of it.

I'll give Nutt this, he'd be one heck of a snake oil salesman.

No..the thing is that the Springdale boys have their heads so far up Malzahns butt that they will follow and do what he says.Simple as that..they came to Arkansas for/with Malzahn..now they are going to Tulsa for/with Malzahn.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 10:45:04 pm
I can't believe how some of you guys are putting all of this on Mustain. What reason does he have to stay? If someone lied to my face and made empty promises what would I owe them? Absolutely nothing.
Hmm...I thought football was a tough game...both physically and MENTALLY. He cracked!

If someone promised you your dream job, a high dollar salary, & a good work enviornment, and your job sucked, you didn't get paid what you were promised, and you had a terrible work enviornment would you want a new job? I know I would.
Performance...there was very little of it. This team was successful due to it's running game. Had Casey Dick started those 7 games that Mustain got "CREDIT" for...the win/loss at Arkansas would still be the same. Neither QB was responsible for even one win...at least not directly...DMAC and FJ were impact players.

I seriously can't understand why every college hasn't hired you as a scout. EVERY major D1 school evaluated and offered Mustain a scholarship, but they could have saved themselves a scholarship and embarrassment by recruiting an overrated Gatorade Player of the Year with a simple PM! I ask again, are you the same guy that stated DMac would never play RB in college? I know there were several people stating that, but I guess they changed their mind and want to look like a moron again before the players can prove themselves. What happens if Mustain transfers, gets a competent coach, excels and gets drafted? I guess everyone will change their ID's and talk about how Arkansas was crazy for letting him get away.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 10:46:26 pm
Man you really need to lay off the Murray State Mafia's kool aid.

So I take it you think Tulsa plays at the same level as the Hogs?
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 10:46:39 pm

Here is how it went down.

Lindsay told Broyles that we needed to hire Gus as OC
Broyles tells Nutt that Gus will be the OC
Gus is promised that his offense will be implemented
Gus tells the Springdale kids that the offense will be implemented
The Springdale kids commit and the rest is history

They trusted Gus and they paid the price for him getting boned over. I'm not sure if Gus' offense will work in the SEC, but we never got to find out.

Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: Prairie_Ar on January 16, 2007, 10:48:30 pm
gus simply took a better job offer...not nearly as much pressure....fanatics not watching his every move..more control...better job enviroment...the potential for greatness is there unlike on the hill(which already peaked long long ago)
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 10:49:31 pm
No, I am not the guy that said DMAC would never play in college. I am the guy that thought Mustain was suspect EVEN at the state championship game, where he had a very good night. He has a strong arm...and that is about it...

My ID has been the same for the past 4 years...

IF (and I predict he won't) makes it in the NFL, I will say I was wrong, but it will not change the fact that he is a quitter, that will abandon his teammates for his own selfish reasons.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: dc24 on January 16, 2007, 10:50:13 pm
The Springdale bunch has been the must disruptive bunch that I can remember UA ever having. I wonder how the season would have fared had these guys gone to other schools in the beginning. Their contribution to the team was marginal at best (although Cleveland and Williams were slightly more productive).

As you can tell, I am no Mustain fan. He was highly overated as proved when he played in the Army All American Bowl. The next school he goes to (possibly Tulsa, or a D2 school) will see a good QB, but not the prodigy that he has been made out to be.

I hope we all learn a lesson here...that is that NO PLAYER(s) are worth changing the offense or defense WITHOUT first proving themselves...and none of these guys proved anything other than their ability to be disruptive to the team and their teammates.

Bottom line is that they are quitters. If things don't go their way, they quit and look for around for someone that give in to their demands. These guys slapped every Razorback player in the face and let them down.

So Mitch, I wish you the best (really I do), but I think you'll find each time you quit or fail, you'll find your credibility and heart questioned.

It is too bad...you had so many role models up at UA to follow in the footsteps of...or to confide in, but you chose the low road long before you came to UA.

Wally

I don't think they're quitters.  They're still going to be playing somewhere.  That's not quitting.  People transfer all the time.  People sign with schools not in their home state.  In matter of fact, your head coach transferred once upon a time.  Please, don't take it so personal.  This is a slap in the face to the Razorback coaches and administration if anything, not the players or fans.  Now as for the part about the Springdale players bringing problems with them I agree with that, but every program has problems.  Yall just better hope there isn't a NCAA investigation into why Malzahn was hired in the first place.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 10:50:42 pm
By the time Mustain is eligible to play they will be. You see, Nutt's gravy train of McFadden and Jones will be gone by then and the Hogs will be in some serious trouble.

Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 10:52:10 pm

Here is how it went down.

Lindsay told Broyles that we needed to hire Gus as OC
Broyles tells Nutt that Gus will be the OC
Gus is promised that his offense will be implemented
Gus tells the Springdale kids that the offense will be implemented
The Springdale kids commit and the rest is history

They trusted Gus and they paid the price for him getting boned over. I'm not sure if Gus' offense will work in the SEC, but we never got to find out.



I wonder if it's got anything to do with us not having the players this year to implement it. So, are you saying, that if you were the head coach, you would have abandoned a nationally leading running game to try a brand new and untested offense in a league like the SEC? That seems to be what everyone is thinking Coach Nutt should have done.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 10:52:57 pm
The Springdale bunch has been the must disruptive bunch that I can remember UA ever having. I wonder how the season would have fared had these guys gone to other schools in the beginning. Their contribution to the team was marginal at best (although Cleveland and Williams were slightly more productive).

As you can tell, I am no Mustain fan. He was highly overated as proved when he played in the Army All American Bowl. The next school he goes to (possibly Tulsa, or a D2 school) will see a good QB, but not the prodigy that he has been made out to be.

I hope we all learn a lesson here...that is that NO PLAYER(s) are worth changing the offense or defense WITHOUT first proving themselves...and none of these guys proved anything other than their ability to be disruptive to the team and their teammates.

Bottom line is that they are quitters. If things don't go their way, they quit and look for around for someone that give in to their demands. These guys slapped every Razorback player in the face and let them down.

So Mitch, I wish you the best (really I do), but I think you'll find each time you quit or fail, you'll find your credibility and heart questioned.

It is too bad...you had so many role models up at UA to follow in the footsteps of...or to confide in, but you chose the low road long before you came to UA.

Wally

I don't think they're quitters.  They're still going to be playing somewhere.  That's not quitting.  People transfer all the time.  People sign with schools not in their home state.  In matter of fact, your head coach transferred once upon a time.  Please, don't take it so personal.  This is a slap in the face to the Razorback coaches and administration if anything, not the players or fans.  Now as for the part about the Springdale players bringing problems with them I agree with that, but every program has problems.  Yall just better hope there isn't a NCAA investigation into why Malzahn was hired in the first place.
Damian cut and ran before the bowl game. In an interview Mustain says he is staying then a few days later...he's gone.

Says Nutt didn't talk to him on the field...they probably haven't seen a field since Jan 1.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 16, 2007, 10:53:24 pm

Here is how it went down.

Lindsay told Broyles that we needed to hire Gus as OC
Broyles tells Nutt that Gus will be the OC
Gus is promised that his offense will be implemented
Gus tells the Springdale kids that the offense will be implemented
The Springdale kids commit and the rest is history

They trusted Gus and they paid the price for him getting boned over. I'm not sure if Gus' offense will work in the SEC, but we never got to find out.



OK...so even IF they were promised it would be put in..hhow long does it take to put it in at the High School level?About 2-3 yers..how long was they at Arkansas?One season...hummmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 10:56:30 pm
HDN not perfect but not to blame here. haters no mater what the man does you will not be happy.you would Rather have a losing season and lose a class of Seniors just to get nutt fired. you are not real hog fans no mater what you say. if you could not see our talent this year was running the ball, then you
are blind. we did not have the q back to run that offense that you wanted. you all are keeping this drama going in hopes of nutt getting fired. you are just as SAD  as others who think as freshmen i come
first not the team. what about me you promised me i would play, wheather i could pass or not. give up
that running attack because i  am from springdale.  GUYS YOU HAVE TO EARN IT!!!!!!! LIKE MCFADDEN.
 SAM  EVEN LET MITCH KNOW THAT IT WAS ABOUT TEAM NOT I. guess i was more important.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 10:56:40 pm

Here is how it went down.

Lindsay told Broyles that we needed to hire Gus as OC
Broyles tells Nutt that Gus will be the OC
Gus is promised that his offense will be implemented
Gus tells the Springdale kids that the offense will be implemented
The Springdale kids commit and the rest is history

They trusted Gus and they paid the price for him getting boned over. I'm not sure if Gus' offense will work in the SEC, but we never got to find out.

Hey, now I know who you are...you are a writer for that show "90210".

That was good...nice imagination.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: xtremewildcat on January 16, 2007, 10:56:57 pm

Here is how it went down.

Lindsay told Broyles that we needed to hire Gus as OC
Broyles tells Nutt that Gus will be the OC
Gus is promised that his offense will be implemented
Gus tells the Springdale kids that the offense will be implemented
The Springdale kids commit and the rest is history

They trusted Gus and they paid the price for him getting boned over. I'm not sure if Gus' offense will work in the SEC, but we never got to find out.



I can agree with that. However, if anyone told Gus he would be able to implement his offense this past year, he should be fired. 90% of the people on this board have never gone through the recruiting game. I did 20 years ago and I went through it last year with my son. Coaches, who recruit, never use terms that are exact. They will always use generalities. I bet Gus was told the offense would develop into more of his style. Even Gus has stated, we would take what is given to us and exploit the other team's weaknesses. Our running game did that at the start of the season. When we were not able to run the ball, our QB's did not step up and perform the way we thought they would. I noticed that Dick and MM threw the ball very poorly in several games.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: dc24 on January 16, 2007, 10:57:07 pm
Tulsa will be hard pressed to win the CUSA title and play in the always big-time Liberty Bowl. Malzahn or no Malzahn. I don't care who is coach. You have to have talent to win.

Tulsa already has talent they are a good team. I have been folllowing them for the past few years and they will compete for the CUSA championship, if not win it.

Yeah. They won 8 games this year with a whopping 3 being against teams with winning records. The other 5 wins were against teams who raced home with a total of 18 wins among them.

The year before Tulsa won 9 or 10 games and beat Fresno State in the Liberty Bowl, beat them pretty handily I believe.  Fresno State took USC to the wire that year.  Please do not insult Tulsa just to make UA's situation look better.

They won 9 including a 7 point win over Fresno in the Liberty bowl. Still, they don't even come close to the caliber of play the Hogs face in the SEC. Sure, we have our patsies. Every school does. The difference is, Tulsa is usually the patsie for a couple of tier 1 schools. Even after a 9 win season and a bowl victory over a nationally recognized team, this year their top attendance was 28,000. Year after next, Mustain will walk out on the field and wonder where all of the people are. It will seem like a canyon after playing before 70,000+ when at Arkansas. But, it's all about him and his stats so maybe he can rack those up at Tulsa. He won't have crowd noise to distract him.

I wasn't trying to say that Tulsa plays on the level of the SEC, but they are a solid football team right now.  Also that was the year that USC beat Arkansas 70-17, Fresno should've beat them.  There's a reason Arkansas hasn't played Tulsa lately and it doesn't have a thing to do with Gus.  Regardless, I don't think any Razorback fan should be chastising other programs with the state theirs is in right now. 
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 10:58:36 pm
No, I am not the guy that said DMAC would never play in college. I am the guy that thought Mustain was suspect EVEN at the state championship game, where he had a very good night. He has a strong arm...and that is about it...

My ID has been the same for the past 4 years...

IF (and I predict he won't) makes it in the NFL, I will say I was wrong, but it will not change the fact that he is a quitter, that will abandon his teammates for his own selfish reasons.

So, if you are a 18 year old kid, do whats right for a program that is in turmoil and ran by the village idiot that the VAST majority of fans want gone. What if he stays and Nutt continues to fail? Then what? "Tough kid, but thanks for letting us use you and have a good life"! I have a daughter going through the recruiting process, and I can assure you that loyalty goes both ways! If they lie and don't come through, they can stick it. I guess if at your job, they come in and tell you that they are cutting your pay and moving your hours to 3rd shift, you are going to stay out of loyalty?

You say he was suspect? What are your credentials compared to the likes of Notre Dame, USC, Tennessee, etc?
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 10:58:39 pm
By the time Mustain is eligible to play they will be. You see, Nutt's gravy train of McFadden and Jones will be gone by then and the Hogs will be in some serious trouble.



The Hogs won before there was a McFadden and Jones and they will win after they are gone. Everyone wants to look at the two years before this one (one being with M & J) and think this was a losing program until this year. The six years before those, Nutt was 59 - 30 with six bowl appearances and 2 appearances in the league championship game. Everyone, even the Nutt detractors, agreed that the two losing years were the products of the NCAA investigation and reduced scholarships for something Nutt had nothing to do with. That struggle is over with and I believe we will see success even without the Springdale whiners, D-Mac and Felix.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 11:00:36 pm
to all haters: it sounds like you would  have Mitch before McFadden, then when Mitch didn't
produce you would blame someone for not running McFadden. you are causing this drama
maybe you could not see our talent was running not passing. you have to have a q back
that cant effectively get the ball to receivers to run that offense. maybe our coaches
knew that our talent was not ready for  that style . if they did run that offense and did not win
you would blame them for not running more. people please get real.

The best and most accurate post of the day!!!!

Of course you think it is the best & accurate post of the day. He agrees with you.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 11:02:30 pm
The ignorance of many members I had respect for is starting to show its true colors.

Mitch isn't an ego maniac. Unlike Nutt.
Damian is an intelligent person. Unlike Dale.

Mitch, Damian, and Gus have done what is in their best interest. Leaving the mess of what is now Arkansas football is an intelligent decision.




The thing is the program was not in a mess, until the parents met with Broyles, and then it snow balled from there.

You do know that you aren't supposed to drink the bong water right?
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: invictus on January 16, 2007, 11:03:52 pm

[/quote]

I wasn't trying to say that Tulsa plays on the level of the SEC, but they are a solid football team right now.  Also that was the year that USC beat Arkansas 70-17, Fresno should've beat them.  There's a reason Arkansas hasn't played Tulsa lately and it doesn't have a thing to do with Gus.  Regardless, I don't think any Razorback fan should be chastising other programs with the state theirs is in right now. 
[/quote]

10 wins. Outright division championship. New Year's Day bowl game. Doak Walker Award winner. Heisman Trophy runner-up. Consensus All-American running back. Good slate of All-Sec players. SEC coach of the year. Record setting running back duo. I kind of like the state of our program right now. However, I realize that Nutt and Broyles haters don't agree. They wouldn't agree even if we had won the National Championship. If we didn't win it Malzahn and Mustain's way, it wouldn't have been pure.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 11:05:23 pm
You say he was suspect? What are your credentials compared to the likes of Notre Dame, USC, Tennessee, etc?
Credentials? Credentials? I don't need no stinkin' CREDENTIALS.   Actually, I don't have football credentials, but I have seen LOTS of HS football games...it was my observation...and if you go back and read my posts from a long time ago...you'll see my tune has never changed.

As for cutting pay and changing my shift...if I ain't cuttin' the mustard...do what you gotta do to make it right.

Performance = Reward
Lack of Performance = EARN rewards
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 16, 2007, 11:06:04 pm
I've been gone for a year or so and I come back and Searcy Sports is still bitter...what gives?

Mustain would have carried Arkansas to it's first title. He would have held them in the top ten, possibly top five for the next couple of years.

You can not blame the kid for leaving. most recruits are lied to and led to believe certain things about their playing time and such...but when you have one of the nations top recruits and you tell him that the offense will be this and he'll get to do this...then you should let that happen....otherwise, he goes and wins his Heisman somewhere else.

I think the kid is worth the hype. The little All Star game didn't prove anything........it's just a game where kids are trying to have fun and play and not get hurt.....had Mustain been allowed to play under the play calling of the Offensive Coach rather than that idiot Nutt then we all would have seen a much better quarterback
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 11:06:49 pm
You say he was suspect? What are your credentials compared to the likes of Notre Dame, USC, Tennessee, etc?
Credentials? Credentials? I don't need no stinkin' CREDENTIALS.   Actually, I don't have football credentials, but I have seen LOTS of HS football games...it was my observation...and if you go back and read my posts from a long time ago...you'll see my tune has never changed.

As for cutting pay and changing my shift...if I ain't cuttin' the mustard...do what you gotta do to make it right.

Performance = Reward
Lack of Performance = EARN rewards
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 11:07:08 pm
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones   enough said.

to all Gus and mm fans: go to Tulsa board.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: xtremewildcat on January 16, 2007, 11:08:04 pm
gus simply took a better job offer...not nearly as much pressure....fanatics not watching his every move..more control...better job environment...the potential for greatness is there unlike on the hill(which already peaked long long ago)


Better JOB???? NO way, less pressure and more control yes. But the prestige, and the competition, but the next step is back to a program like the U of A, so this was a step down.

I think it is a better job "FOR GUS". Maybe he was not quite ready for the SEC. Maybe he is not a college coach. That is not a knock on him. It just takes a certain type of person to be a coach. But it takes a special person to be a coach on that level. It could be brutal.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 11:08:05 pm
You say he was suspect? What are your credentials compared to the likes of Notre Dame, USC, Tennessee, etc?
Credentials? Credentials? I don't need no stinkin' CREDENTIALS.   Actually, I don't have football credentials, but I have seen LOTS of HS football games...it was my observation...and if you go back and read my posts from a long time ago...you'll see my tune has never changed.

As for cutting pay and changing my shift...if I ain't cuttin' the mustard...do what you gotta do to make it right.

Performance = Reward
Lack of Performance = EARN rewards
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 11:09:11 pm
I've been gone for a year or so and I come back and Searcy Sports is still bitter...what gives?

Hmmm...don't mistake bitterness with foresight.

Go back and read.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 16, 2007, 11:10:19 pm
I've been gone for a year or so and I come back and Searcy Sports is still bitter...what gives?

Hmmm...don't mistake bitterness with foresight.

Go back and read.

True....but what would you say if the kid had stayed and won a Heisman?
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 11:11:57 pm
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones   enough said.

to Gus and mm fans:  go to Tulsa boards.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 11:12:24 pm
You say he was suspect? What are your credentials compared to the likes of Notre Dame, USC, Tennessee, etc?
Credentials? Credentials? I don't need no stinkin' CREDENTIALS.   Actually, I don't have football credentials, but I have seen LOTS of HS football games...it was my observation...and if you go back and read my posts from a long time ago...you'll see my tune has never changed.

As for cutting pay and changing my shift...if I ain't cuttin' the mustard...do what you gotta do to make it right.

Performance = Reward
Lack of Performance = EARN rewards

So basically, you have very little knowledge of the game and yet fell like Mustain is a complete failure. Did you happen to stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night?

I didn't say you weren't "cuttin' the mustard", but you earn good evaluations yet get your pay cut and shift changed. You still stay even though there are opportunities available elsewhere? Interesting. Stupid, but interesting.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 11:13:12 pm
I've been gone for a year or so and I come back and Searcy Sports is still bitter...what gives?

Hmmm...don't mistake bitterness with foresight.

Go back and read.

True....but what would you say if the kid had stayed and won a Heisman?
Now we really don't have to worry about that now do we?
I don't think it is in his future now either.

Here's a concept...the QB situation (notice I didn't say MM), could have helped DMAC win the Heisman had either of them been more productive, which would have opened up the running game. Just wondering....
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 16, 2007, 11:13:40 pm
I posted this in another area......Nutt still coached this year...he didn't let his assistants do the job they were hired to do and Frank didn't pressure him to allow folks like Gus to do the job because if Arkansas would have had a bad season then Frank couldn't justify firing Nutt....little did he know McFadden would do awesome......it's not Nutts play calling that won those games...it's McFaddens feet and Mustains Arm....and then....McFaddenn gets stopped...Mustain isn't playing and the Hogs lose....hmmm.....sup?
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: mudturtle on January 16, 2007, 11:13:44 pm
"Uh Darren and Felix, sorry to tell you guys, but for the 2007 season we are de-emphasizing the running game.  Seems as though Coach Nutt signed a piece of paper promising Ms. Campbell that her son would be able to start every game and run the HUNH offense.  UofA is bound by this piece of paper even if MM is 1 for 100 with 12 or if he is injured or if a better QB is recruited or if he violates team rules, or if he isn't a leader.  It is just the way it is.  It isn't a matter of what is best for the team.  We don't won't the coaching staff involved.  We just have to arrange the team around Mitch and Ms. Campbell until 2010.  You understand don't you."

"Oh, Nevermind, they just transferred.  I guess that means we can give you the ball some next year.  Is that OK with you?  Should we clear that with your parents?" 
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: dc24 on January 16, 2007, 11:14:23 pm
 


10 wins. Outright division championship. New Year's Day bowl game. Doak Walker Award winner. Heisman Trophy runner-up. Consensus All-American running back. Good slate of All-Sec players. SEC coach of the year. Record setting running back duo. I kind of like the state of our program right now. However, I realize that Nutt and Broyles haters don't agree. They wouldn't agree even if we had won the National Championship. If we didn't win it Malzahn and Mustain's way, it wouldn't have been pure.

If you don't have McFadden and Jones, you don't have any 10 win season or SEC coach of the year or all that other stuff.  When teams finally just committed to stopping the run Arkansas lost.  They were still competitive and pretty good but they still lost.  I don't care for Arkansas, Malzahn, Mustain, Williams, Nutt, Broyles, any of them.  My team is ASU, but I respected Arkansas before the way Robert Johnson was treated this year, and before all of this came out.  I've almost lost every amount of respect I had for UA.  I doubt you'll lose sleep over that, but the fact of the matter is that most neutral fans are losing respect, even some die-hard fans, and the rest of nation is laughing their butts off right now.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 16, 2007, 11:15:02 pm
I've been gone for a year or so and I come back and Searcy Sports is still bitter...what gives?

Hmmm...don't mistake bitterness with foresight.

Go back and read.

True....but what would you say if the kid had stayed and won a Heisman?
Now we really don't have to worry about that now do we?
I don't think it is in his future now either.

Here's a concept...the QB situation (notice I didn't say MM), could have helped DMAC win the Heisman had either of them been more productive, which would have opened up the running game. Just wondering....

I doubt it because the media are idiots. McFadden could have had twice as many yards but that boy from Ohio was going to get it no matter what....too bad it's not given after the season. then...maybe....McFaddenn would have won
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 11:15:13 pm
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones   enough said.

to all Gus and mm fans: go to Tulsa board.

Now that every team has a year to prepare for the "wildcat", do you people believe it is going to be as successful as this year? Florida basically shut it down with a 1 week preparation.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 11:15:42 pm
You say he was suspect? What are your credentials compared to the likes of Notre Dame, USC, Tennessee, etc?
Credentials? Credentials? I don't need no stinkin' CREDENTIALS.   Actually, I don't have football credentials, but I have seen LOTS of HS football games...it was my observation...and if you go back and read my posts from a long time ago...you'll see my tune has never changed.

As for cutting pay and changing my shift...if I ain't cuttin' the mustard...do what you gotta do to make it right.

Performance = Reward
Lack of Performance = EARN rewards

So basically, you have very little knowledge of the game and yet fell like Mustain is a complete failure. Did you happen to stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night?

I didn't say you weren't "cuttin' the mustard", but you earn good evaluations yet get your pay cut and shift changed. You still stay even though there are opportunities available elsewhere? Interesting. Stupid, but interesting.

You must have been at the Nutt/Parents meeting...you got the post wrong.

I never said I didn't know anything about football...I said I don't have any football credentials...I am not a coach, nor did I play one on TV, and yes, I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 11:16:52 pm
Quote
I doubt it because the media are idiots. McFadden could have had twice as many yards but that boy from Ohio was going to get it no matter what....too bad it's not given after the season. then...maybe....McFaddenn would have won.
Looks like we agree to agree.  :-)
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: dc24 on January 16, 2007, 11:18:40 pm
The Springdale bunch has been the must disruptive bunch that I can remember UA ever having. I wonder how the season would have fared had these guys gone to other schools in the beginning. Their contribution to the team was marginal at best (although Cleveland and Williams were slightly more productive).

As you can tell, I am no Mustain fan. He was highly overated as proved when he played in the Army All American Bowl. The next school he goes to (possibly Tulsa, or a D2 school) will see a good QB, but not the prodigy that he has been made out to be.

I hope we all learn a lesson here...that is that NO PLAYER(s) are worth changing the offense or defense WITHOUT first proving themselves...and none of these guys proved anything other than their ability to be disruptive to the team and their teammates.

Bottom line is that they are quitters. If things don't go their way, they quit and look for around for someone that give in to their demands. These guys slapped every Razorback player in the face and let them down.

So Mitch, I wish you the best (really I do), but I think you'll find each time you quit or fail, you'll find your credibility and heart questioned.

It is too bad...you had so many role models up at UA to follow in the footsteps of...or to confide in, but you chose the low road long before you came to UA.

Wally

I don't think they're quitters.  They're still going to be playing somewhere.  That's not quitting.  People transfer all the time.  People sign with schools not in their home state.  In matter of fact, your head coach transferred once upon a time.  Please, don't take it so personal.  This is a slap in the face to the Razorback coaches and administration if anything, not the players or fans.  Now as for the part about the Springdale players bringing problems with them I agree with that, but every program has problems.  Yall just better hope there isn't a NCAA investigation into why Malzahn was hired in the first place.
Damian cut and ran before the bowl game. In an interview Mustain says he is staying then a few days later...he's gone.

Says Nutt didn't talk to him on the field...they probably haven't seen a field since Jan 1.

Damian made a decision that early so he could get enrolled at USC academically.  It wasn't all about football.  I'm just hoping Mitch can still get registered at Tulsa academically so he won't lose a semester.  I don't think "cut and ran" are the right words to describe the situation.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: xtremewildcat on January 16, 2007, 11:18:56 pm
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones   enough said.

to all Gus and mm fans: go to Tulsa board.

Now that every team has a year to prepare for the "wildcat", do you people believe it is going to be as successful as this year? Florida basically shut it down with a 1 week preparation.

We did better against Florida than anyone else did. Just look at who you just compared us to, the champs.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 11:19:07 pm
I posted this in another area......Nutt still coached this year...he didn't let his assistants do the job they were hired to do and Frank didn't pressure him to allow folks like Gus to do the job because if Arkansas would have had a bad season then Frank couldn't justify firing Nutt....little did he know McFadden would do awesome......it's not Nutts play calling that won those games...it's McFaddens feet and Mustains Arm....and then....McFaddenn gets stopped...Mustain isn't playing and the Hogs lose....hmmm.....sup?
It was NOT Mustains arm...I don't know what game you were watching, but Mustain (look at the scores) should thank the defense (who played very well MOST of the year) for the 7-0 start he had.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 11:21:02 pm

You must have been at the Nutt/Parents meeting...you got the post wrong.

I never said I didn't know anything about football...

Hate to tell you, but I know as much about football as you do, and that isn't much! I also have this tendency to see how things pan out before I stick my foot in my mouth and make idiotic predictions when anyone with an IQ in double digits knows the problem on the Hill is with HDN and FB.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 11:22:05 pm

You must have been at the Nutt/Parents meeting...you got the post wrong.

I never said I didn't know anything about football...

Hate to tell you, but I know as much about football as you do, and that isn't much! I also have this tendency to see how things pan out before I stick my foot in my mouth and make idiotic predictions when anyone with an IQ in double digits knows the problem on the Hill is with HDN and FB.
You win!
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 11:22:32 pm
I posted this in another area......Nutt still coached this year...he didn't let his assistants do the job they were hired to do and Frank didn't pressure him to allow folks like Gus to do the job because if Arkansas would have had a bad season then Frank couldn't justify firing Nutt....little did he know McFadden would do awesome......it's not Nutts play calling that won those games...it's McFaddens feet and Mustains Arm....and then....McFaddenn gets stopped...Mustain isn't playing and the Hogs lose....hmmm.....sup?
It was NOT Mustains arm...I don't know what game you were watching, but Mustain (look at the scores) should thank the defense (who played very well MOST of the year) for the 7-0 start he had.

Same could be said for Peyton Manning the last few games, I guess he is overrated to!
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: jbell96 on January 16, 2007, 11:25:04 pm
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones   enough said.

to Gus and mm fans:  go to Tulsa boards.

To all idiots like you: McFadden and Jones can't play forever.

Enough said.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 11:25:28 pm
I posted this in another area......Nutt still coached this year...he didn't let his assistants do the job they were hired to do and Frank didn't pressure him to allow folks like Gus to do the job because if Arkansas would have had a bad season then Frank couldn't justify firing Nutt....little did he know McFadden would do awesome......it's not Nutts play calling that won those games...it's McFaddens feet and Mustains Arm....and then....McFaddenn gets stopped...Mustain isn't playing and the Hogs lose....hmmm.....sup?
It was NOT Mustains arm...I don't know what game you were watching, but Mustain (look at the scores) should thank the defense (who played very well MOST of the year) for the 7-0 start he had.

Same could be said for Peyton Manning the last few games, I guess he is overrated to!
Now how did you know I was a Peyton Manning fan...
Actually, I agree with you. I think he is one of the best QB's in a VERY long time (again thanks to Harrison, Wayne, Clark, etc), but his play over the past few games...has been pretty lame. Would I take him out of the game...NOPE.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 11:26:38 pm
so we should give up a  Heisman contender running back for
a high school q back that has not proved anything in college except
that every thing is about me not the team. and if i don't get my way, my Mommy
will have a talk to you and if that doesn't work me and my HIGH SCHOOL coach will go
somewhere else.
its a good thing SAM confronted mm and let him know it is about team not i.
mm and Gus is not bigger than the program.  lets move on     go hogs.
if you mess Gus and mm to much PLEASE GO TO THE TULSA BOARDS.

and my high school coach will go some w\\\\\
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: mudturtle on January 16, 2007, 11:29:22 pm
From a USC board:

"I doubt he’ll contact USC. His family seems WAY to into this kid’s CFB career to let him get too far away from the nest. Besides, LORD HELP us if he ever became part of our Program. Nutt has apparently been up to his eyeballs dealing with Mitch’s family, all the way up to his GRANDMOTHER. If he had to wait until his Junior year to start it’d be nothing but drama. Besides, he may have gone 8-0 as a starter for the Hogs this season but let’s face it, [Darren McFadden] got him there, not his passing ability. If anything I bet he goes to Tulsa, sits out a year then starts for Malzhan his final three."

Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: HA_Fan on January 16, 2007, 11:29:41 pm
NEWSBREAK....McFadden finishes 2nd in Heisman Trophy Race. Yeah, we should have passed.

Bush won it last year.  Did USC pass?
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Absolut on January 16, 2007, 11:31:00 pm
Same could be said for Peyton Manning the last few games, I guess he is overrated to!
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So your comparing PEYTON MANNING to mitch mustain?
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 11:33:11 pm
CHIEF OF STAFF : i must have struck a nerve, if mm is as good as you think ,he wouldn't be
here for ever neither. who's the idiot now!

again Tulsa board.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: mudturtle on January 16, 2007, 11:33:20 pm

To all idiots like you: McFadden and Jones can't play forever.

Enough said.

Right, so if you are a decent QB, you take advantage of the breathing room they give you, get a couple of winning seasons under your belt, win a few bowl games, hone you skills, and then KICK BUTT with your passing your last two years.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 11:33:21 pm
so we should give up a  Heisman contender running back for
a high school q back that has not proved anything in college except
that every thing is about me not the team. and if i don't get my way, my Mommy
will have a talk to you and if that doesn't work me and my HIGH SCHOOL coach will go
somewhere else.
its a good thing SAM confronted mm and let him know it is about team not i.
mm and Gus is not bigger than the program.  lets move on     go hogs.
if you mess Gus and mm to much PLEASE GO TO THE TULSA BOARDS.

and my high school coach will go some w\\\\\

No, we should develop a passing game for balance. In other words, develop the ability to compete for a championship. If you think we can win by simply running the ball, you must be Barry Switzer. DMac is out of the bag now folks, his yards will be much harder to come by next year.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: searcysport2 on January 16, 2007, 11:34:26 pm
NEWSBREAK....McFadden finishes 2nd in Heisman Trophy Race. Yeah, we should have passed.

Bush won it last year.  Did USC pass?
I only saw a few games...balanced is what comes to mind with me...
Please tell me you are not comparing Leinart to Mustain...that is a REALLY bad comparison. Sorry.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 11:35:50 pm
Same could be said for Peyton Manning the last few games, I guess he is overrated to!

So your comparing PEYTON MANNING to mitch mustain?
[/quote]

NO. Do you have trouble reading or is comprehension tough for you!

Searcy and I are in a friendly discussion with opposite opinions. Either read all of the post associated with the discussion, or stay out!
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: T-Wacker on January 16, 2007, 11:36:55 pm
who's the idiot now!


You are! You continue to prove that with every post.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: radan23 on January 16, 2007, 11:44:20 pm
do we want him to leave?that way it will make the situation worse for nutt and the crew! i mean come on... we do have 2 4 star tight ends coming next year.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: mychal6419 on January 16, 2007, 11:51:02 pm
t wacker- so would mm be here for every.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: xtremewildcat on January 17, 2007, 12:19:20 am
Yea, I don't think Lienard sucked as bad as Dick and Mitch did!!!
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: jbell96 on January 17, 2007, 12:20:13 am
t wacker- so would mm be here for every.

Ladies & Gentleman, our search for the new manningfan has ended.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:22:03 am
I have been keeping up with College Football (hardcore) since I was about 14, the Internet was fast becoming available in homes all across America, these great things called Chat Rooms existed on AOL, when you could talk to someone else about the game, the players, the coaches it was great. Then came along the Message Board, you posted a message, and people replies to it. The Evolution of the way we follow a game, the way we perceive the game we love to follow, and the way we perceive reality of a team we follow have changed due to the Internet.

Most may not agree, most will say bullsheet, but I am one of the most hardcore Razorback fans on here. Do I say the normal "oh I'm done, I'm not watching, bla bla bla oyoyoyoy Nutt, Heath..." yup I sure I am, but that is because I love the Razorbacks. However the last few days has been a test for Razorback fans all across the State, Nation, and the World.

Almost one year ago we were under the impression the good times were coming, the offense was changing, we would be chucking the ball 45 times a game, putting up ungodly sick numbers, Mustain was the Savior QB we have been looking for since Joe Ferguson, Gus Malzhan was the heir apparent to Nutt, when the Old Man finally kicks the bucket. All was wonderful in Razorback Land, the Basketball Hawgs were doing awesome, winning games they shouldn't against Florida, Alabama and such, the Diamond Hogs back in the NCAA Baseball Tournament, life couldn't have been better for a Razorback Fan.

Some people do question why do Razorback fans get so up in arms about every little thing that happens on The Hill? Why is it that every little "occurence" seems like life and death for a program, that for so long has struggled to return to it's once proud National Dominance. Simple. It's all we have, we don't have a pro team in this state to root for, we have to root for other regional professional teams, the vast majority of this state does. For most, they don't, the Razorbacks is all they have, my Grandpa has been a Razorback fan longer than most of us combined have. Tonight he called me and he said that he can't pull for a team, that is full of drama, soap operas, parents talking to coaches, deceit, conspiracy, he equalled it to pulling for a "politician running against his worst enemy". That got me thinking about everything that has gone on the last few days? Am I still a Razorback Fan? I am split, you don't know what to believe, the media feeds you everything, all the message boards feed you everything? Do we not have enough information to make our own judgements? Our own interperations as to what is going on? We have all formulated opinions, such as "Glad Springdale Mafia is Gone", "Nutt and Frank are killing the program", "There is no control on The Hill", "The Springdale Kids are all about them", "Gus was overrated anyways", all these opinions are formulated based on what you want to believe.

Now most people do know I am no Houston Nutt supporter by any means, met the man, nice guy, great personality, awesome attitude, but he can't coach, he has proved it for the past 5 years at least, he refuses to excel to get better. A shotgun wedding was not the answer to fixing the Razorbacks he knew it, Frank knew it, but it did get some of the most hightly recruited and wanted players in the history of Razorback Football and it looks like it has paid a price.

No doubt, the last few days have divided this state as to what to believe? Who to believe, and why to believe it. Malzhan is going to do his thing at Tulsa no questions asked, Mustain will sit a year and lose experience and hopes he can beat out another seasoned, veteran quarterback, Damian Williams is going to try and beat out some of the best WR talent, this side of the Mississippi, Ben Cleveland, Andre Norman who knows, and you know who cares, the best of luck to them.

The Drama is over with the Springale Kids, they have disrupted the program, and nothing good has come of them since arriving, it's been me me me me me me with them, and tonight I finally realized it. However, I still want Nutt gone, I want a complete and absolute re-rorg of the Razorback Football Program, and if suffering through years of below .500 happens, so be it, but I know with our fans, our facilities, our support, we can get better coaching, better players, players that want to be on a team, and not look out for themselves.

Dude. When HD Nutt arrived we were a "below.500 program". Remember? We asked him to come in and "Beat SMU"!
Coach Nutt is the best coach for the University of Arkansas. Coach Nutt led us through a great 10 win season.
If your going to quit being a Hog Fan. Fine. Follow Tulsa Football!
Someone will pick up your ticket package. Razorback Football is OK!
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:23:41 am
I want a complete and absolute re-rorg of the Razorback Football Program, and if suffering through years of below .500 happens, so be it, but I know with our fans, our facilities, our support, we can get better coaching, better players, players that want to be on a team, and not look out for themselves.

Amen, RD. I would suffer through 5 seasons of below .500 in order to get the program re-organized. I agree, with the support of the Razorback fans...our program would be up and running better than it is now with a few changes.
Are you serious? Sounds like some personal issue. We just won 10 games and played for the SEC Championship!
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:30:10 am
The truth is coming out right now on the Razorback Nation show!
Your using a "Media Outlet" as your source of "truth"? LOL
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Absolut on January 17, 2007, 12:32:07 am


NO. Do you have trouble reading or is comprehension tough for you!

Searcy and I are in a friendly discussion with opposite opinions. Either read all of the post associated with the discussion, or stay out!
[/quote]

LOL. Your comparing Manning to mustain. Manning had a couple of bad games, but he's a former NFL MVP. Mustain has done what in his career. Man you need to go to bed.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:33:13 am
This sums up what is being said on the Bo Mattingly show about what has REALLY gone on....

Nutt didn't want Malzahn onboard at Arkansas
Nutt hasn't talked to Mustain in months, not even on the practice field.
The Springdale players and Malzahn were lied to to get them to come to Arkansas.
Nutt threatened Mustain that if he left he wasn't going to give him his release from his scholarship.
That Mitch wanted to stay a razorback even if it meant sitting on the bench a couple of years but when Malzahn left he felt he didn't have anybody he could talk to on the coaching staff.
Welcome to [Life/Real World]. It does get difficult at times. Learn from this and become a better person.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:37:17 am
Why should he give him a release..he done drew the line for the boy and gave him a chance to go.

Circumstances have changed since then.

So each time that the "circumstances change" I get to change my mind about being a team player?
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 17, 2007, 12:37:52 am
Dude. When HD Nutt arrived we were a "below.500 program". Remember? We asked him to come in and "Beat SMU"!
Coach Nutt is the best coach for the University of Arkansas. Coach Nutt led us through a great 10 win season.
If your going to quit being a Hog Fan. Fine. Follow Tulsa Football!
Someone will pick up your ticket package. Razorback Football is OK!

That's a ludicris statement. Coach Nutt is far from being the best coach for Arkansas. Coach Nutt had as much to do with winning the games this season as the waterboy did. He just happened to be the man with clipboard who was watching McFadden with the same amazement as the rest of the country.

Next season, Arkansas WILL return to mediocracy. I gurantee, the Cinderalla season went downhill and it's not coming back.

Sure, playing three SunBelt teams (funny...isn't that ASU's conference??) Arkansas should have some wins next season, but they won't be piling up wins the way they did this year.

Then Broyles will be able to get rid of Nutt.

Are you serious? Sounds like some personal issue. We just won 10 games and played for the SEC Championship!

Did they win the SEC Championship? How'd they do against USC? How about Wisconsin? Oh that's right...MCFadden didn't run as well and ole' one play Nutt didn't have an answer.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:40:44 am
This sums up what is being said on the Bo Mattingly show about what has REALLY gone on....

Nutt didn't want Malzahn onboard at Arkansas
Nutt hasn't talked to Mustain in months, not even on the practice field.
The Springdale players and Malzahn were lied to to get them to come to Arkansas.
Nutt threatened Mustain that if he left he wasn't going to give him his release from his scholarship.
That Mitch wanted to stay a razorback even if it meant sitting on the bench a couple of years but when Malzahn left he felt he didn't have anybody he could talk to on the coaching staff.
Isn't this NCAA investigation stuff?  Boy I hope so..
No. It is called big time collage football. Sometimes feelings get hurt.
And then people like yourself say. Call the NCAA. get real!
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 17, 2007, 12:42:10 am
Why should he give him a release..he done drew the line for the boy and gave him a chance to go.

Circumstances have changed since then.

So each time that the "circumstances change" I get to change my mind about being a team player?

First of all...I wouldn't have let my kid put his future into the hands of some idiot coach like Nutt in the first place...but, if I've got the hometown team with a guarantee that certain things will happen then I might consider letting him have some say.

Schools find plenty of reasons to strip athletes of scholarships so why can't an athlete leave when he isn't getting what he was promised?

Mustain could have...and if you go back serveral months..you'll see where I said he should have chosen a different school.........

that would be interesting to see where I said Nutt would Ruin Mustain and alot of the same people saying mustain sucks now, were defending nutt and mustain......

how far can we go back in the archives?
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Bonecrusher™ aka Billy Owens on January 17, 2007, 12:44:04 am
Yea, I don't think Lienard sucked as bad as Dick and Mitch did!!!

something about what you said is really funny..I guess I'm tired
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:44:36 am
The ignorance of many members I had respect for is starting to show its true colors.

Mitch isn't an ego maniac. Unlike Nutt.
Damian is an intelligent person. Unlike Dale.

Mitch, Damian, and Gus have done what is in their best interest. Leaving the mess of what is now Arkansas football is an intelligent decision.



That is fine. And when morning comes none of them will be Razorbacks! And 25-50 years from today. None of them will be Razorbacks!
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:49:58 am
Truth is that NOBODY knows but these guys for sure. What has happened this week doesn't really point to anything except we have some unhappy people leaving an institution where they did not get their way. Pretty simple really.

Those guys don't just leave without a reason.  It's obvious that they were sold a bill of goods to get them to Fayetteville.
Each athlete is sold a "bill of goods". If the coach has done his job as a recruiter! That is why it is called "recruiting" and why many good field coaches are fired. Because they "can't recruit".
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: athletic supporter on January 17, 2007, 01:04:48 am
In my opinion, Ben has the best chance of all of the Springdale whiners to make it in the NFL. Tight ends who can block and have soft hands are at a premium. He will get plenty of run blocking experience at Arkansas (blocking for the front-runner for the Heisman will help immensly) and Nutt has made good use of the tight end in the past. If he is smart, he will stay and develop into what the NFL badly wants. Some will say Williams has the best chance. But, fast wide receivers are a dime a dozen each year. He's good, but not that good.


When have we thrown the ball to the TE? Good use? What constitutes good use? Just using them as an extra OL?
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 17, 2007, 02:23:06 am
The Springdale bunch has been the must disruptive bunch that I can remember UA ever having. I wonder how the season would have fared had these guys gone to other schools in the beginning. Their contribution to the team was marginal at best (although Cleveland and Williams were slightly more productive).

As you can tell, I am no Mustain fan. He was highly overated as proved when he played in the Army All American Bowl. The next school he goes to (possibly Tulsa, or a D2 school) will see a good QB, but not the prodigy that he has been made out to be.

I hope we all learn a lesson here...that is that NO PLAYER(s) are worth changing the offense or defense WITHOUT first proving themselves...and none of these guys proved anything other than their ability to be disruptive to the team and their teammates.

Bottom line is that they are quitters. If things don't go their way, they quit and look for around for someone that give in to their demands. These guys slapped every Razorback player in the face and let them down.

So Mitch, I wish you the best (really I do), but I think you'll find each time you quit or fail, you'll find your credibility and heart questioned.

It is too bad...you had so many role models up at UA to follow in the footsteps of...or to confide in, but you chose the low road long before you came to UA.

Wally

Wow, it's an honor to have Chuck Barrett on here.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: jbell96 on January 17, 2007, 02:28:14 am
The Springdale bunch has been the must disruptive bunch that I can remember UA ever having. I wonder how the season would have fared had these guys gone to other schools in the beginning. Their contribution to the team was marginal at best (although Cleveland and Williams were slightly more productive).

As you can tell, I am no Mustain fan. He was highly overated as proved when he played in the Army All American Bowl. The next school he goes to (possibly Tulsa, or a D2 school) will see a good QB, but not the prodigy that he has been made out to be.

I hope we all learn a lesson here...that is that NO PLAYER(s) are worth changing the offense or defense WITHOUT first proving themselves...and none of these guys proved anything other than their ability to be disruptive to the team and their teammates.

Bottom line is that they are quitters. If things don't go their way, they quit and look for around for someone that give in to their demands. These guys slapped every Razorback player in the face and let them down.

So Mitch, I wish you the best (really I do), but I think you'll find each time you quit or fail, you'll find your credibility and heart questioned.

It is too bad...you had so many role models up at UA to follow in the footsteps of...or to confide in, but you chose the low road long before you came to UA.

Wally

Wow, it's an honor to have Chuck Barrett on here.

Searcy_Sports, you just got PWNED.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 17, 2007, 02:29:25 am
Find a new team, no way.

This is my program.  This is our program.

This was my program before Nutt came, and it will be after it is liberated from his and Frank Broyles' clutches.  I will never abandon it.

What I continue doing, and what the rest of you who are fed up need to do, is keep being a thorn in their side.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 17, 2007, 02:33:20 am
Searcy_Sports, you just got PWNED.

The thing is, I like Wally.

I just couldn't disagree more with his opinion.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 17, 2007, 02:34:40 am
The thing I'm hacked off more than anything at is that not a single media outlet (TV, radio, web) is questioning anything besides what's on the surface. God forbid anyone says anything negetive about the University.

Wanna know why?  Because speaking out would find them cut off from any information for stories from the program, and cut off quickly.

God, I wish Orville was still alive.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: jbell96 on January 17, 2007, 02:37:00 am
Searcy_Sports, you just got PWNED.

The thing is, I like Wally.

I just couldn't disagree more with his opinion.

Oh I don't have anything against him, I just thought your reply to him was priceless.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 17, 2007, 02:42:06 am
I mean message boards such as Hogville get the scoop before any other media, or at least make it public.

True, but we also have rumors that don't turn out to be true, and lots of them.

Not to mention plants from the Nutt hugger boards that register, post ridiculous rumors that we have to chase down, just to discredit the site.

While stories break online now, the great majority of fans don't get their information from message boards, so breaking the story on TV or in a newspaper still matters greatly.  At least I'd think it would.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: MrOfficial on January 17, 2007, 03:40:34 am
DMac is out of the bag now folks, his yards will be much harder to come by next year.

I seriously doubt this, I mean we do play three Sun Belt teams, Ole Miss & Miss State, there's a 1000yds there !!!

You know, if Mustain would have played his cards right, he could have been a GOD in Arkansas.  He should have released a statement that sounded something like this:

"I'd like to address the issue of Coach Malzahn leaving, I wish him the best of luck, he was a vital part of my high school success, and one of the main reasons I signed to play at the University of Arkansas.  But the fact remains, I signed to play at the University of Arkansas, not the University of Malzahn.  I have hopes of helping McFadden win the Heisman Award in 2007 and leading the Razorbacks to a National Championship.  I hope this puts to rest all rumors of my leaving"

If he would have said that, the people of Arkansas would have embraced him, carried him on their shoulders, he could have gotten away with ANYTHING !! But no, he packed, and left ... this guy isn't so bright afterall !!!
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Father Guido on January 17, 2007, 03:42:15 am
God forgive me, but I have to agree with Uncle Ivan.  I agree with most of RD's assessment of the situation, except the condemnation of the players.  They bought into the same lies that we did.  They were led to believe there would be changes.  So were we.  Most are saying we as fans should not support the program, buy their merchandise, buy tickets...  why are we so down on them because they no longer want to be part of the farce.

IMO,  the problem was in Nutt was forced to hire Malzhan.  (Oh, come on! You don't honestly think he WANTED to hire someone who knew more about running an offense than he did.) He never wanted to hire Gus.  He never intended for it to work.  Pressure was on him to hire an OC and let someone else call the plays, so he did.  He didn't think it would work, then he could wash his hands and say, "Well, we tried.  Back to my way."  When Gus started getting some recognition, Nutt started publicly commenting that he called that play.  Or, "I noticed that they were doing this, so I told him to do this". 

Bottom Line is,...it was a grand effort, but it failed.  Now, on to damge control.  How do they restore the integrity of the program?...heck if I know.  Will there be more defections?  Probably. 

I will always be a Razorback fan.  Just like I will always be an American.  That doesn't mean I will always agree with the decisions that are made, or the way things are handled.  I have never felt that Nutt was a good game coach, and still don't.  I think he is a great motivator, and gets the team pumped.  He seems to do his best when nobody really expects much of the team.  Was Gus the answer.  Might have been, but we'll never know.  A mistake was made.  It was doomed from the beginning. Thanks Frank.

It's time to move on.  I hope Gus and all the kids do well.  I'm sure they will. And the Hogs will continue to be in that 8-10 game win category. (Face it, when you schedule 12 games to begin with, that whole 10-win season doesn't quite have the same meaning that it use to.)
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: jbell96 on January 17, 2007, 03:44:31 am
I have been keeping up with College Football (hardcore) since I was about 14, the Internet was fast becoming available in homes all across America, these great things called Chat Rooms existed on AOL, when you could talk to someone else about the game, the players, the coaches it was great. Then came along the Message Board, you posted a message, and people replies to it. The Evolution of the way we follow a game, the way we perceive the game we love to follow, and the way we perceive reality of a team we follow have changed due to the Internet.

Most may not agree, most will say bullsheet, but I am one of the most hardcore Razorback fans on here. Do I say the normal "oh I'm done, I'm not watching, bla bla bla oyoyoyoy Nutt, Heath..." yup I sure I am, but that is because I love the Razorbacks. However the last few days has been a test for Razorback fans all across the State, Nation, and the World.

Almost one year ago we were under the impression the good times were coming, the offense was changing, we would be chucking the ball 45 times a game, putting up ungodly sick numbers, Mustain was the Savior QB we have been looking for since Joe Ferguson, Gus Malzhan was the heir apparent to Nutt, when the Old Man finally kicks the bucket. All was wonderful in Razorback Land, the Basketball Hawgs were doing awesome, winning games they shouldn't against Florida, Alabama and such, the Diamond Hogs back in the NCAA Baseball Tournament, life couldn't have been better for a Razorback Fan.

Some people do question why do Razorback fans get so up in arms about every little thing that happens on The Hill? Why is it that every little "occurence" seems like life and death for a program, that for so long has struggled to return to it's once proud National Dominance. Simple. It's all we have, we don't have a pro team in this state to root for, we have to root for other regional professional teams, the vast majority of this state does. For most, they don't, the Razorbacks is all they have, my Grandpa has been a Razorback fan longer than most of us combined have. Tonight he called me and he said that he can't pull for a team, that is full of drama, soap operas, parents talking to coaches, deceit, conspiracy, he equalled it to pulling for a "politician running against his worst enemy". That got me thinking about everything that has gone on the last few days? Am I still a Razorback Fan? I am split, you don't know what to believe, the media feeds you everything, all the message boards feed you everything? Do we not have enough information to make our own judgements? Our own interperations as to what is going on? We have all formulated opinions, such as "Glad Springdale Mafia is Gone", "Nutt and Frank are killing the program", "There is no control on The Hill", "The Springdale Kids are all about them", "Gus was overrated anyways", all these opinions are formulated based on what you want to believe.

Now most people do know I am no Houston Nutt supporter by any means, met the man, nice guy, great personality, awesome attitude, but he can't coach, he has proved it for the past 5 years at least, he refuses to excel to get better. A shotgun wedding was not the answer to fixing the Razorbacks he knew it, Frank knew it, but it did get some of the most hightly recruited and wanted players in the history of Razorback Football and it looks like it has paid a price.

No doubt, the last few days have divided this state as to what to believe? Who to believe, and why to believe it. Malzhan is going to do his thing at Tulsa no questions asked, Mustain will sit a year and lose experience and hopes he can beat out another seasoned, veteran quarterback, Damian Williams is going to try and beat out some of the best WR talent, this side of the Mississippi, Ben Cleveland, Andre Norman who knows, and you know who cares, the best of luck to them.

The Drama is over with the Springale Kids, they have disrupted the program, and nothing good has come of them since arriving, it's been me me me me me me with them, and tonight I finally realized it. However, I still want Nutt gone, I want a complete and absolute re-rorg of the Razorback Football Program, and if suffering through years of below .500 happens, so be it, but I know with our fans, our facilities, our support, we can get better coaching, better players, players that want to be on a team, and not look out for themselves.

Dude. When HD Nutt arrived we were a "below.500 program". Remember? We asked him to come in and "Beat SMU"!
Coach Nutt is the best coach for the University of Arkansas. Coach Nutt led us through a great 10 win season.
If your going to quit being a Hog Fan. Fine. Follow Tulsa Football!
Someone will pick up your ticket package. Razorback Football is OK!

I didn't know Danny Nutt had an account on here.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Father Guido on January 17, 2007, 03:48:38 am
What's up, JBELL?  How's the weather in Washington? :)
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: jbell96 on January 17, 2007, 04:12:45 am
What's up, JBELL?  How's the weather in Washington? :)

Cold, wet, & snowy. ;)
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Outcast on January 17, 2007, 04:21:56 am
I have been keeping up with College Football (hardcore) since I was about 14, the Internet was fast becoming available in homes all across America, these great things called Chat Rooms existed on AOL, when you could talk to someone else about the game, the players, the coaches it was great. Then came along the Message Board, you posted a message, and people replies to it. The Evolution of the way we follow a game, the way we perceive the game we love to follow, and the way we perceive reality of a team we follow have changed due to the Internet.

Most may not agree, most will say bullsheet, but I am one of the most hardcore Razorback fans on here. Do I say the normal "oh I'm done, I'm not watching, bla bla bla oyoyoyoy Nutt, Heath..." yup I sure I am, but that is because I love the Razorbacks. However the last few days has been a test for Razorback fans all across the State, Nation, and the World.

Almost one year ago we were under the impression the good times were coming, the offense was changing, we would be chucking the ball 45 times a game, putting up ungodly sick numbers, Mustain was the Savior QB we have been looking for since Joe Ferguson, Gus Malzhan was the heir apparent to Nutt, when the Old Man finally kicks the bucket. All was wonderful in Razorback Land, the Basketball Hawgs were doing awesome, winning games they shouldn't against Florida, Alabama and such, the Diamond Hogs back in the NCAA Baseball Tournament, life couldn't have been better for a Razorback Fan.

Some people do question why do Razorback fans get so up in arms about every little thing that happens on The Hill? Why is it that every little "occurence" seems like life and death for a program, that for so long has struggled to return to it's once proud National Dominance. Simple. It's all we have, we don't have a pro team in this state to root for, we have to root for other regional professional teams, the vast majority of this state does. For most, they don't, the Razorbacks is all they have, my Grandpa has been a Razorback fan longer than most of us combined have. Tonight he called me and he said that he can't pull for a team, that is full of drama, soap operas, parents talking to coaches, deceit, conspiracy, he equalled it to pulling for a "politician running against his worst enemy". That got me thinking about everything that has gone on the last few days? Am I still a Razorback Fan? I am split, you don't know what to believe, the media feeds you everything, all the message boards feed you everything? Do we not have enough information to make our own judgements? Our own interperations as to what is going on? We have all formulated opinions, such as "Glad Springdale Mafia is Gone", "Nutt and Frank are killing the program", "There is no control on The Hill", "The Springdale Kids are all about them", "Gus was overrated anyways", all these opinions are formulated based on what you want to believe.

Now most people do know I am no Houston Nutt supporter by any means, met the man, nice guy, great personality, awesome attitude, but he can't coach, he has proved it for the past 5 years at least, he refuses to excel to get better. A shotgun wedding was not the answer to fixing the Razorbacks he knew it, Frank knew it, but it did get some of the most hightly recruited and wanted players in the history of Razorback Football and it looks like it has paid a price.

No doubt, the last few days have divided this state as to what to believe? Who to believe, and why to believe it. Malzhan is going to do his thing at Tulsa no questions asked, Mustain will sit a year and lose experience and hopes he can beat out another seasoned, veteran quarterback, Damian Williams is going to try and beat out some of the best WR talent, this side of the Mississippi, Ben Cleveland, Andre Norman who knows, and you know who cares, the best of luck to them.

The Drama is over with the Springale Kids, they have disrupted the program, and nothing good has come of them since arriving, it's been me me me me me me with them, and tonight I finally realized it. However, I still want Nutt gone, I want a complete and absolute re-rorg of the Razorback Football Program, and if suffering through years of below .500 happens, so be it, but I know with our fans, our facilities, our support, we can get better coaching, better players, players that want to be on a team, and not look out for themselves.

Dude. When HD Nutt arrived we were a "below.500 program". Remember? We asked him to come in and "Beat SMU"!
Coach Nutt is the best coach for the University of Arkansas. Coach Nutt led us through a great 10 win season.
If your going to quit being a Hog Fan. Fine. Follow Tulsa Football!
Someone will pick up your ticket package. Razorback Football is OK!


Dude is just a "Nutt" rider!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: Father Guido on January 17, 2007, 05:17:25 am
Cleveland is kinda small by todays standards to be an NFL tight end.  235 is even small at the college level any more.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: CHSTigersFan on January 17, 2007, 06:44:41 am
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He was never given a chance to run the offense he was promised we would use. Hate to break it to you man, but once Jones & McFadden are gone, Nutt is in deep trouble.
You are talking future....we are talking about last year.

NEWSBREAK....McFadden finishes 2nd in Heisman Trophy Race. Yeah, we should have passed.
He did finish second this year, but how is he going to fare next season. I don't know many Heisman Trophy winners to come off of teams with losing records.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 07:13:45 am
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He was never given a chance to run the offense he was promised we would use. Hate to break it to you man, but once Jones & McFadden are gone, Nutt is in deep trouble.
You are talking future....we are talking about last year.

NEWSBREAK....McFadden finishes 2nd in Heisman Trophy Race. Yeah, we should have passed.
He did finish second this year, but how is he going to fare next season. I don't know many Heisman Trophy winners to come off of teams with losing records.
We won't have a losing record.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 07:15:50 am
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I think if half the team said "Nutt Sucks" maybe the UofA would send him packing.
That won't happen though because almost the entire team loves Coach Nutt.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 07:24:36 am
Quick question for the faithful Houston Nutt automatons - isn't it a bit hypocritical to bash a QB for leaving after his freshman year because the offense didn't fit his style of play?  After all, he's not the first one to do that.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 07:30:58 am
In my opinion, Ben has the best chance of all of the Springdale whiners to make it in the NFL. Tight ends who can block and have soft hands are at a premium. He will get plenty of run blocking experience at Arkansas (blocking for the front-runner for the Heisman will help immensly) and Nutt has made good use of the tight end in the past. If he is smart, he will stay and develop into what the NFL badly wants. Some will say Williams has the best chance. But, fast wide receivers are a dime a dozen each year. He's good, but not that good.


When have we thrown the ball to the TE? Good use? What constitutes good use? Just using them as an extra OL?

Kind of what I was thinking.  I haven't seen the TE's used much at all since Davenport.  Sure, Peters caught a ball here and there, but TE's at Arkansas are primarily blockers.  The only way that will change is if Coker is named the new OC.  He makes great use of the TE's.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 07:35:52 am
Quick question for the faithful Houston Nutt automatons - isn't it a bit hypocritical to bash a QB for leaving after his freshman year because the offense didn't fit his style of play?  After all, he's not the first one to do that.
I am not a huge fan of Nutt, but I will support him while he is here. I haven't bashed Mustain personally because he is transferring. I really don't care that he is transferring. I have said he didn't play like a good QB while here, but there isn't anything wrong to that statement. If Mustain thinks he needs to transfer, then good luck. However, I find it pretty sorry he didn't come to be a Hog. That is my only problem with him. This proves he didn't come to be a hog. He came to be with Gus.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 07:41:22 am
Then how can you now say you support a guy who did the very same thing when he was in college?
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: arkfan610 on January 17, 2007, 07:42:40 am
Razorback fans act like the U of A is a National Powerhouse, and that a 10 win season in the SEC is just not good enough.  When the truth be told there are at least 6 schools in the SEC with bigger traditions, better recruiting bases, and are more prestigious in the eyes of college football followers.  (Auburn, LSU, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia)  Maybe Houston Nutt is as good as we get on our level.
As for the situation yesterday, it all turned bad the minute we treated the mother like she was going to take us to the national title.  I have never heard of a parent making so much noise at any other program.  Somebody said yesterday that she was looking out for her child.  Well I don't want a child trying to lead our team in the SEC.  I was under the impression that we were recruiting a young man.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 17, 2007, 07:46:32 am
You guys all miss the point.   Mitch leaving is a who cares.  Losing the Gatorade Player of the year, after you spent hours recruiting him, looks stupid.  It's not about the player.  They've lost now 2 players and a coach, THEY WENT OUT AND GOT 13 months ago.  What the heck is going on.  Does anyone remember the espn.com article when Mitch came?  It was a big deal to a get player of his stature.   It's not to lose him?
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: T-Wacker on January 17, 2007, 07:50:23 am


NO. Do you have trouble reading or is comprehension tough for you!

Searcy and I are in a friendly discussion with opposite opinions. Either read all of the post associated with the discussion, or stay out!

LOL. Your comparing Manning to mustain. Manning had a couple of bad games, but he's a former NFL MVP. Mustain has done what in his career. Man you need to go to bed.
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NO. Do you have trouble reading or is comprehension tough for you!

I posted this earlier, so I guess you answered my question. Comprehension is beyond your capability.

Let me put it as simple as I can to match your IQ: I am not comparing Mustain to Manning, I was using the "carried by the defense" comparison. If you can't understand this, call your daddy in the room, read the post and explain it to you using crayons!
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: T-Wacker on January 17, 2007, 07:50:43 am
t wacker- so would mm be here for every.

Every what?
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: WM_Insider on January 17, 2007, 07:53:56 am
Then how can you now say you support a guy who did the very same thing when he was in college?
great point
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: T-Wacker on January 17, 2007, 07:56:27 am
Razorback fans act like the U of A is a National Powerhouse, and that a 10 win season in the SEC is just not good enough.  When the truth be told there are at least 6 schools in the SEC with bigger traditions, better recruiting bases, and are more prestigious in the eyes of college football followers.  (Auburn, LSU, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia)  Maybe Houston Nutt is as good as we get on our level.

Ever occurred to you the reason they have better programs is the fact that they don't have a FB as an AD. These schools will not tolerate mediocrity, but Arkansas will, that's the difference. I guess we can't even compare to the mighty Boise State anymore.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 08:01:35 am
You guys all miss the point.   Mitch leaving is a who cares.  Losing the Gatorade Player of the year, after you spent hours recruiting him, looks stupid.  It's not about the player.  They've lost now 2 players and a coach, THEY WENT OUT AND GOT 13 months ago.  What the heck is going on.  Does anyone remember the espn.com article when Mitch came?  It was a big deal to a get player of his stature.   It's not to lose him?

*scratches head*

I'm not sure I follow.  What exactly are you trying to say?
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: zebradynasty on January 17, 2007, 08:03:02 am
Then how can you now say you support a guy who did the very same thing when he was in college?

Not quite the same thing, the whole coaching staff changed with Nutt's situation. Also Nutt was not physically cabable of running an option/veer offense. So he went to OK State! Now ONE coach leaves and you bolt that is a little different although the result was were the same for both!
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 08:08:48 am
Maybe Houston Nutt is as good as we get on our level.

Yeah, thank goodness they didn't make a play for Butch Davis when he was available.

Anyway, you know what really sucks?  Because Mustain signed with Arkansas, Ryan Mallet (who wanted to come here) turned his interest elsewhere.  Too bad no one had the foresight to see this coming. 
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 08:13:59 am
The ignorance of many members I had respect for is starting to show its true colors.

Mitch isn't an ego maniac. Unlike Nutt.
Damian is an intelligent person. Unlike Dale.

Mitch, Damian, and Gus have done what is in their best interest. Leaving the mess of what is now Arkansas football is an intelligent decision.



That is fine. And when morning comes none of them will be Razorbacks! And 25-50 years from today. None of them will be Razorbacks!

So is Coach Nutt a true Razorback?  Wasn't he 'looking out for his best interests' when he left the program after his first year to go to OSU?
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: ppop on January 17, 2007, 08:18:40 am
Anyway, you know what really sucks?  Because Mustain signed with Arkansas, Ryan Mallet (who wanted to come here) turned his interest elsewhere.  Too bad no one had the foresight to see this coming. 

Wouldn't have mattered.  Nutt told Ryan he wanted to convert him to TIGHT END!  And that's why I can't have nuthin nice!  >:(
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 08:19:12 am
Then how can you now say you support a guy who did the very same thing when he was in college?
I wasn't alive when that took place so it doesn't really mean much to me. However, I already said I support him because he is the coach, but I am not a hugger. If he was fired I wouldn't mind that much. I don't hate Mustain for leaving. I haven't dissed him because of it. I have never been a fan of him, and most people on here know that. However, he didn't transfer just because of the offense. When Damian left, Nutt asked if anyone else wanted to. He knew what the offense was going to be and he decided to stay. Malzahn left, and then Mustain followed.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 08:20:39 am
Anyway, you know what really sucks?  Because Mustain signed with Arkansas, Ryan Mallet (who wanted to come here) turned his interest elsewhere.  Too bad no one had the foresight to see this coming. 

Wouldn't have mattered.  Nutt told Ryan he wanted to convert him to TIGHT END!  And that's why I can't have nuthin nice!  >:(

You know, as shocking as this is, I can't say I'm surprised.  Who else but HDN could take one of the top 3 QB prospects in the country and try to make him a TE?
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Father Guido on January 17, 2007, 08:22:14 am

So is Coach Nutt a true Razorback?  Wasn't he 'looking out for his best interests' when he left the program after his first year to go to OSU?

-CLAP-


I have a question.  Who did we beat out in the big recruiting battle for Casey Dick?  I must have missed it, but I don't remember the press conference when we signed him.  Where is he from, anyway?
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: ppop on January 17, 2007, 08:24:08 am
Anyway, you know what really sucks?  Because Mustain signed with Arkansas, Ryan Mallet (who wanted to come here) turned his interest elsewhere.  Too bad no one had the foresight to see this coming. 

Wouldn't have mattered.  Nutt told Ryan he wanted to convert him to TIGHT END!  And that's why I can't have nuthin nice!  >:(

You know, as shocking as this is, I can't say I'm surprised.  Who else but HDN could take one of the top 3 QB prospects in the country and try to make him a TE?

Heck, maybe he learned his lesson with Matt Jones.  He played an NFL wide-receiver at QB, why not play an NFL QB at TE?
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: nfblaze on January 17, 2007, 08:24:30 am
Let the NCAA Investigations come...

Lure players and their coach in on false pretenses of running a familiar offense..SANCTIONS

Yes, we still have Jones and McFadden, but as we saw last season..we can't win a National or even a SEC Championship without passing.

I'm not upset one bit at Mitch leaving, saw this one coming when I was hearing about the dissention between the staff, during the spring practices.. After that Broyles supposedly stepped in an demanded that Malzahn be given control..Shortly following the USC, different tune..new offensive philosophy..the same one we've been losing with under Nutt, during his whole (NO BCS win or SEC Championship-longest of any BCS school coach) tenure. Mitch did the best thing for him and his family..

Now you see why the parents came in..Nutt had been planning to demote Gus the whole season, regardless of what he had done..

You lied to the whole state when you said in last years press conference- "I'm going to turn Gus Mal-a-zahn loose on them"

I wish the best for Mitch and his family, he took as much of this turmoil as he could..

Frank and Nutt must go..our program is sinking BAD
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: mack on January 17, 2007, 08:27:48 am
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones   enough said.

to Gus and mm fans:  go to Tulsa boards.

To all idiots like you: McFadden and Jones can't play forever.

Enough said.

It scares me that guys like you are protecting our country.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: ppop on January 17, 2007, 08:28:06 am
So is Coach Nutt a true Razorback?  Wasn't he 'looking out for his best interests' when he left the program after his first year to go to OSU?

+1
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: nfblaze on January 17, 2007, 08:28:18 am
Then how can you now say you support a guy who did the very same thing when he was in college?
I wasn't alive when that took place so it doesn't really mean much to me. However, I already said I support him because he is the coach, but I am not a hugger. If he was fired I wouldn't mind that much. I don't hate Mustain for leaving. I haven't dissed him because of it. I have never been a fan of him, and most people on here know that. However, he didn't transfer just because of the offense. When Damian left, Nutt asked if anyone else wanted to. He knew what the offense was going to be and he decided to stay. Malzahn left, and then Mustain followed.
Mitch wanted to be a Hog..I don't blame him one bit..There hasn't been a successful QB produced under Nutt since he fired Joe Ferguson.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 17, 2007, 08:28:36 am
I hear we have a committment (Springdale people dont understand this word) from a Stud Tight End that continues to say he is coming to the U of A. I believe his name is TJ Williams. Not really sure. I hope he is all that and we can say good riddance to the last of the Springdale momma's boys.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 17, 2007, 08:30:13 am
How many players have moved on to the NFL from the mighty Tulsa Hurricane? I would guess not many and for a QB I would guess zero. Looks like the trend will continue.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 08:30:34 am
Not quite the same thing, the whole coaching staff changed with Nutt's situation. Also Nutt was not physically cabable of running an option/veer offense. So he went to OK State! Now ONE coach leaves and you bolt that is a little different although the result was were the same for both!

How is it different?  Each one left/is leaving because the offense didn't/doesn't fit his perceived strengths.  Oh, and Mustain was lied to - I guess that's a difference.

I wasn't alive when that took place so it doesn't really mean much to me.

That doesn't make it any less relevant to what happened yesterday.

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However, I already said I support him because he is the coach, but I am not a hugger.

I wouldn't say you're a hugger either.  Maybe extreme Razorback fanboy, but not hugger.

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However, he didn't transfer just because of the offense. When Damian left, Nutt asked if anyone else wanted to. He knew what the offense was going to be and he decided to stay. Malzahn left, and then Mustain followed.

Perhaps he thought that maybe the guy (HDN) who made all those promises to him would have had a shred of integrity and let Malzahn do what he was hired to do.  Maybe once he realized that wasn't the case, he decided that he'd had enough.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: nfblaze on January 17, 2007, 08:34:35 am
Maybe Houston Nutt is as good as we get on our level.

Yeah, thank goodness they didn't make a play for Butch Davis when he was available.

Anyway, you know what really sucks?  Because Mustain signed with Arkansas, Ryan Mallet (who wanted to come here) turned his interest elsewhere.  Too bad no one had the foresight to see this coming. 
Tyson was the only major player in that situation..we blew our chance once again by not giving the boot to Houston when he flirted with Nebraska and LSU..Mitch Mustain was Houston's job..he recruited him to save himself..The fence around the state just complete shattered. Our recruiting efforts are now thrown under the bus and now we realize that Nutt can't develop a QB. He couldn't hack it at the U of A or OSU what makes us believe he can develop an untapped talent right out of high school.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: arkfan610 on January 17, 2007, 08:40:01 am
I would not call 10-4 mediocre.  That's a good year.  It was disappointing to see us loose our last 3 games, but was any other team's last 3 games as tough as Arkansas.  They were all among the top 6 teams in the country.  Oh, and our other loss was to USC.  They weren't bad either.  As far as the Boise State argument, they beat one good team (Oklahoma).  Arkansas beats teams of that caliber a couple times a year. (Auburn, Tennessee)  Boise State had to do it one time.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: rdubs8 on January 17, 2007, 08:44:06 am
i hope he goes! anything to get Nutt out of this state!
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: nfblaze on January 17, 2007, 08:45:58 am
Malzahn had the most integrity of any man on the Hill..He felt as if he lied to his players when he recruited them after his offense was shown the door. He's going to a place where he can actually call the plays. Casey Dick has a lot of potential, but he will never grow under an offense where he doesn't take his bumps and bruises nor any QB under Nutt..that being the reason why we are going after a dual threat QB.

Now what do you do with all the players that came when Malzahn hopped aboard..The ones that believed they were going to be playing with friends that had played with in allstar games and were upbeat about running a wide open offense. What does all this tell the players that were already on the Hill or were even considering coming to the U of A.

We all see why players had been transferring under Nutt in the first place. The dominoes will now fall and Frank will be put under the spotlight for this whole situation. Where do you draw the line for a program that is SUPPOSEDLY committed to winning a national championship. How many times will we say "if we could have just had a decent passing game no telling how far we could go?"

This all sums it up for me..it keeps replaying in my mind-

During the bowl game the announcers were talking during Arkansas' 2nd possession of the 2nd half, and they said something along these lines, "boy if Arkansas had a QB or a quality passing game, there is no telling how good they could be."

As a Razorback fan, I want to see us observe the state of other programs.. We see other AD's firing coaches even after having successful seasons. We've had the right players at least 3 seasons under Nutt where we could have made some serious noise on the national scene and we flamed out.

Enough is enough, if we are so committed to winning, then what is wrong with our football program. We have the facilities, everything needed to win. When is it enough for all of us Razorback fans to get tired of watching teams that we could have or should have beat when Championships.

Either we're committed to winning our we're content for never winning a national or SEC championship under Houston.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: nfblaze on January 17, 2007, 08:47:26 am
The tight end posistion has been non existent in this offense for quite a while.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: herws on January 17, 2007, 08:49:23 am
All of this happens when you sell your sole to the Devil to save your job. That's the kind of guy Nutt is, now you people finally realize what all the other non-Hog fans do. He's just Smoke and Mirrors and he's all about himself. He's a play on words to make any situation look better regardless of what it is.

I don't blame Gus for leaving. Gus was told the same thing the Springdale players were to get him in up there because Nutt was forced to do it. And why not? , then all the Springdale players will surely sign and guess what? They did and Nutt's respect, or what little he had left went out the door.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: harlin42 on January 17, 2007, 08:56:51 am
I got qusetion if nutt leaves and a few years later he wins
the national championship the who going to gripe at. It has happened
before after  a coach leaving then winning it all
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: herws on January 17, 2007, 09:00:51 am
Nutt? National championship? He11 he won't leave and win a state championship.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: harlin42 on January 17, 2007, 09:09:12 am
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 09:17:48 am
Not quite the same thing, the whole coaching staff changed with Nutt's situation. Also Nutt was not physically cabable of running an option/veer offense. So he went to OK State! Now ONE coach leaves and you bolt that is a little different although the result was were the same for both!

How is it different?  Each one left/is leaving because the offense didn't/doesn't fit his perceived strengths.  Oh, and Mustain was lied to - I guess that's a difference.

I wasn't alive when that took place so it doesn't really mean much to me.

That doesn't make it any less relevant to what happened yesterday.

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However, I already said I support him because he is the coach, but I am not a hugger.

I wouldn't say you're a hugger either.  Maybe extreme Razorback fanboy, but not hugger.

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However, he didn't transfer just because of the offense. When Damian left, Nutt asked if anyone else wanted to. He knew what the offense was going to be and he decided to stay. Malzahn left, and then Mustain followed.

Perhaps he thought that maybe the guy (HDN) who made all those promises to him would have had a shred of integrity and let Malzahn do what he was hired to do.  Maybe once he realized that wasn't the case, he decided that he'd had enough.
I know what Nutt did was probably the same, but I wasn't alive. It is hard for me to get mad at a person who made a decision before I was born going off what people tell me. I have to go by other people's opinion so I just don't worry about it.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: KingoftheHILL on January 17, 2007, 09:30:19 am
Quick question for the faithful Houston Nutt automatons - isn't it a bit hypocritical to bash a QB for leaving after his freshman year because the offense didn't fit his style of play?  After all, he's not the first one to do that.
Isn't it amazing how many nutt huggers don't choose to remember this.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 09:33:00 am
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football

True, but I think you can add "Houston Nutt never winning a national championship" to the death and taxes adage.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: KingoftheHILL on January 17, 2007, 09:34:48 am
Quick question for the faithful Houston Nutt automatons - isn't it a bit hypocritical to bash a QB for leaving after his freshman year because the offense didn't fit his style of play?  After all, he's not the first one to do that.
Isn't it amazing how many nutt huggers don't choose to remember this.
For a man who claims to love Arkansas, the University and the Razorbacks as much and as often as Numb Nutts does he sure didn't show it when he bolted to OKIE STATE.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: HA_Fan on January 17, 2007, 09:36:54 am
I would not call 10-4 mediocre.

No, it's the one good season that comes every 3 to 5 years with Nutt.  10-4 will be about as good as it gets.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Bucksnort on January 17, 2007, 09:44:38 am
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
What?  Nutt's finished after this debacle, WAKE UP, no one will likely even give him a chance to coach again.  Boise undefeated without him, 4-7 with him.  Fire him and Frank both today.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 09:47:18 am
Then how can you now say you support a guy who did the very same thing when he was in college?

The Nutt and Mustain transfers are very different factually. Nutt was a drop-back passer when he came to Arkansas. At that time, that is the offense they ran. Mid-career, a new coaching staff with an option style came in. Nutt knew he wasn't suited for that style and gracefully, and with regret, transferred. The present day situation is different. Yes, there may have been some expectations of a pending change in the offensive direction, but surely no person in their right mind thought the offense would convert to the HUNH spread overnight. Does no one remember the changes in the offense this year, i.e. Wildcat? Does no one remember Malzahn saying that they are adding something new to the offense each week? Does no one remember Malzahn saying that once he got on campus and saw McFadden, Jones and Hillis that he agreed that they had to be the focus? Rome wasn't built in a day. An entire offensive scheme can't be installed in a few weeks. I happen to believe that we were eventually going to see a more wide open attack, but first, we needed to focus on our strengths, get in the right personnell , and let them mature.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: KingoftheHILL on January 17, 2007, 09:53:44 am
I would not call 10-4 mediocre.

No, it's the one good season that comes every 3 to 5 years with Nutt.  10-4 will be about as good as it gets.
10-4 is mediocre when the 4 losses are to the best 4 teams on the sched. The only quality win this year was Auburn.  Tennessee was average.  All four of the Losses were to teams that finised in the top 6. Does that mean  we played well, like the Nutt Huggers say or does it mean that we can't consistently  win the big games against quality teams.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Bucksnort on January 17, 2007, 09:57:25 am
The Springdale bunch has been the must disruptive bunch that I can remember UA ever having. I wonder how the season would have fared had these guys gone to other schools in the beginning. Their contribution to the team was marginal at best (although Cleveland and Williams were slightly more productive).


Marginal contributions, uh, yeah, right.  Unless of course, you consider the Bama game, where Mustain passed to Cleveland to win the game and propel the Hogs to 10 consecutive victories.  But enough of that.
I was never big on the Springdale boys, if I couldn't only have had one, it would have been DWilliams, but, would take all of them.  Truth is, Nutt missed the boat by going after Mitch, it was common knowledge Mallet would not be a Hog if Mustain was, a high school junior(Mallet) was smart enough to see this for what it was.  I bet Mallet is better than Mitch. Nutt blew it.  Malzahn was the most important addition in the off season, 4-7 & 5-6 to 10-4, and EGONutt wants to demote him, unbelievable, what a self absorbed loser.  Time to clean house, fire Frank and Nutt and staff.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 09:57:35 am
The ignorance of many members I had respect for is starting to show its true colors.

Mitch isn't an ego maniac. Unlike Nutt.
Damian is an intelligent person. Unlike Dale.

Mitch, Damian, and Gus have done what is in their best interest. Leaving the mess of what is now Arkansas football is an intelligent decision.



That is fine. And when morning comes none of them will be Razorbacks! And 25-50 years from today. None of them will be Razorbacks!

So is Coach Nutt a true Razorback?  Wasn't he 'looking out for his best interests' when he left the program after his first year to go to OSU?

I recall the Nutt transfer to OSU very well since I was at the U of A at the time. Essentially, he was encouraged to transfer. Sure, it was his final decision and he wasn't "cut" but he was told that the new offense wouldn't involve drop-back passing and since he was not an option QB, his playing time would be minimal, if any at all. I recall that it was all done gracefully and with class by all parties. That's a far cry from a freshman coming in and expecting the program to change to meet his personal desires. He should have given it at least through the spring to see what the prospects of change were going to be. Let's face it, the offense only began to focus on McFadden and Jones after they started performing. Any coach knows that you go with your strength. If Mustain had performed to a higher level, I firmly believe that the coaching staff would have exploited that strength as well. But, when your best receivers are the other team's defensive backs, that's not performance. I do believe that Mustain has great talent but is just a little mixed up right now. I wish he had given him a semester away from his HS coach to see just what he could have done. I think he would have been surprised at his maturity and what he could have accomplished as a team player.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 10:00:18 am
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The Nutt and Mustain transfers are very different factually. Nutt was a drop-back passer when he came to Arkansas. At that time, that is the offense they ran. Mid-career, a new coaching staff with an option style came in. Nutt knew he wasn't suited for that style and gracefully, and with regret, transferred. The present day situation is different.

The only difference is the way the player is perceived upon transferring.  Nutt transferred because the incoming offense didn't fit his strengths.  Mustain is transferring because the offense he was brought in to run will never be in Fayetteville under the current coaching staff.

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Yes, there may have been some expectations of a pending change in the offensive direction, but surely no person in their right mind thought the offense would convert to the HUNH spread overnight.

An offensive coordinator's job is to install his offense.  Malzahn wasn't allowed to run his offense.  He had little to no control at all of the offense.  He would have never been given the opportunity to run his offense.  For an example, look at Rice.  They were typical cellar-dwellers in the WAC.  They brought in a new coaching staff, who installed a spread offense 'overnight', and they went to a bowl this season.  Why?  Because Applewhite was allowed to install and run his offense.

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I happen to believe that we were eventually going to see a more wide open attack

This was never going to happen.  Malzahn was a decoy from the beginning.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 10:00:34 am
Quick question for the faithful Houston Nutt automatons - isn't it a bit hypocritical to bash a QB for leaving after his freshman year because the offense didn't fit his style of play?  After all, he's not the first one to do that.
Isn't it amazing how many nutt huggers don't choose to remember this.
I am sure most don't really care anymore because that is not the situation at hand.

Once again, I don't mind that Mustain is leaving. I wish him the best of luck. I have not bashed him once for his decision to leave. Everything that I have ever said about him, good or bad, was said during the season too. I am not one of those people who loved him when he was here and not hate him because he is gone.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 10:04:38 am
to all hog fans: McFadden and Jones   enough said.

to Gus and mm fans:  go to Tulsa boards.

To all idiots like you: McFadden and Jones can't play forever.

Enough said.

It scares me that guys like you are protecting our country.
Just because they won't be here forever means that we have to find other options right now? When they leave we will likely get another high profile RB or two and continue our power running game. We will surely get a better QB than we have now and be able to pass a little bit.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Lions84 on January 17, 2007, 10:10:42 am
Never Forget Nutt Huggers your beloved left the Hogs for OSU ! 
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 17, 2007, 10:10:53 am
Father Guido, Casey Dick had a pretty good senior season. He had an injury towards the end of his season missing the last two games and still passed for 1900+ yards. He was being recruited by Houston, Texas Tech, SMU and TCU. Did we have a big press conference for anyone prior to the Springdale crews arrival? In case you were wondering it is called Marketing.
Title: Re: Mustain Gone To Tulsa
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 10:11:00 am
I have no contention with his reason for transferring.  He transferred because that was in his best interest.  My rebuttal was in response to those who say these kids were never true Razorbacks because they are looking out for their best interests.  The same people who ignore the fact that Nutt did the same thing.  It's a duplicitous stance.  Whether it was graceful or classy is irrelevant. 
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 10:13:30 am
Quick question for the faithful Houston Nutt automatons - isn't it a bit hypocritical to bash a QB for leaving after his freshman year because the offense didn't fit his style of play?  After all, he's not the first one to do that.
Isn't it amazing how many nutt huggers don't choose to remember this.
I am sure most don't really care anymore because that is not the situation at hand.

Once again, I don't mind that Mustain is leaving. I wish him the best of luck. I have not bashed him once for his decision to leave. Everything that I have ever said about him, good or bad, was said during the season too. I am not one of those people who loved him when he was here and not hate him because he is gone.

I couldn't agree more. The truth is that every person, whether coach or player, has to make a decision they can live with, not what others want. I said from day one on this and other message boards that Mustain would never live up to the hype. He was an outstanding HS QB that had an equally outstanding supporting cast. His team's success during his junior and senior years made the difference in his getting national recognition. What if he had had the same talent and coach, but his team went 7-3 and lost in the first round of the playoffs in his senior year or, worse yet, 5-5 and didn't even make the playoffs. Would he have been as widely recognized. I doubt it. But, we piled so much pressure on this kid, something had to break. When he didn't play up to expectations, then the blame had to go somewhere. Could it be possible that the coaches, including coach Nutt and coach Wood, only realized that he had marginal SEC talent after he got to campus? After all, he wouldn't be the  first player ever recruited that didn't live up to his hype. Why then are we making such a big deal over this? I recall Gary Brashears who went to the U of A with similar hype. He couldn't live up to it and then transferred. If I recall, he went to Tulsa even. I'm not even sure he stuck there and something in my memory recalls that he finished at a Div-II school or lower.

So, let's put aside the hype. What is done is done. Let's wish all parties success and get on with getting a team ready for next year. I will be a big one with possibly a first-ever Heisman winner, and who knows, with a couple of breaks in a couple of games, a team playing for a national championship.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: zebradynasty on January 17, 2007, 10:14:41 am

Not quite the same thing, the whole coaching staff changed with Nutt's situation. Also Nutt was not physically cabable of running an option/veer offense. So he went to OK State! Now ONE coach leaves and you bolt that is a little different although the result was were the same for both!
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How is it different?  Each one left/is leaving because the offense didn't/doesn't fit his perceived strengths.  Oh, and Mustain was lied to - I guess that's a difference.


So MM isn't physically capable or running Nutt's offense? Yes MM probably would put up better numbers running Gus's offense but If Clint Storner can set all the passing records at UA then surely All Everything MM could have! I was around when Nutt played he had a decent arm good release foot speed was a problem asking a slow white kid to run the option in the SWC was crazy! Holtz wasn't going to change his offense because of some hot shot QB ...hmmmm sounds familiar so Nutt transferred for 2 reasons playing time and safety he would have got killed running the option!
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 10:16:53 am
Never Forget Nutt Huggers your beloved left the Hogs for OSU ! 

As I've said before, different time and different circumstance. It's like comparing apples to oranges. After the coaching change in the Nutt era, he was essentially told that he would get no playing time. On the other hand, Mustain, after a sub-par performance during the regular season, was given substantial playing time in a New Year's Day bowl and was told that he would be starting spring practice equal in the competition for the starting job next fall. Quite different I think.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Lions84 on January 17, 2007, 10:22:37 am
develop't develope players or a passing game and HE was a college D-1 QB? Proof Nutt stinks.
The Right Reverend Nutt as ESPN calls him is now proven to be a LIAR!
10-4 is subpar when if Nutt had let Gus do his job we would have been 12-2 0r 13-1  It was the HOGS not the Gators that should have been playing for the NC till NUTT scuttled the ship!
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 10:24:51 am
So MM isn't physically capable or running Nutt's offense?

I would be capable of running Nutt's offense.  It doesn't take a lot to take a snap and hand it off to a receiver.

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Yes MM probably would put up better numbers running Gus's offense but If Clint Storner can set all the passing records at UA then surely All Everything MM could have!

Stoerner called a lot of audibles out of bad running plays to take advantages of mismatches he saw in the secondary.  Again, Nutt's offense is run-oriented.  Mitch's strength is throwing the ball around.  He is a product of a spread system, which will never be implemented at Arkansas while Houston Nutt is the head coach.

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I was around when Nutt played he had a decent arm good release foot speed was a problem asking a slow white kid to run the option in the SWC was crazy! Holtz wasn't going to change his offense because of some hot shot QB ...hmmmm sounds familiar

If Malzahn was really the offensive coordinator, and not just a figurehead, it would have been Malzahn's offense, not Houston Nutt's offense that Malzahn allegedly called plays for.

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so Nutt transferred for 2 reasons playing time and safety he would have got killed running the option!

LOL.  ;D
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 10:28:43 am
Never Forget Nutt Huggers your beloved left the Hogs for OSU ! 

As I've said before, different time and different circumstance. It's like comparing apples to oranges. After the coaching change in the Nutt era, he was essentially told that he would get no playing time. On the other hand, Mustain, after a sub-par performance during the regular season, was given substantial playing time in a New Year's Day bowl and was told that he would be starting spring practice equal in the competition for the starting job next fall. Quite different I think.

It's not different.  Nutt transferred because he was looking out for his best interests.  Mustain will transfer because he's looking out for his best interests.  The reasons why are irrelevant.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: zebradynasty on January 17, 2007, 10:30:38 am
Never Forget Nutt Huggers your beloved left the Hogs for OSU ! 

As I've said before, different time and different circumstance. It's like comparing apples to oranges. After the coaching change in the Nutt era, he was essentially told that he would get no playing time. On the other hand, Mustain, after a sub-par performance during the regular season, was given substantial playing time in a New Year's Day bowl and was told that he would be starting spring practice equal in the competition for the starting job next fall. Quite different I think.

That was my next point Nutt was going to ride the pine If MM couldn't beat out Casey Dick, ROJO and a couple of walkons running a simple offense is he really as good as everyone says?? MM was never told he didn't have a shot of playing! Holtz, remember this was a different era, he basically told Nutt it was best for him to leave cause you ain't gonna cut it running my offense! Nothing mean or political about it that how it was done back in the day!Probably why Nutt was allowed to GA after his career at OSU so easily!
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: athletic supporter on January 17, 2007, 10:31:48 am
I hear we have a committment (Springdale people dont understand this word) from a Stud Tight End that continues to say he is coming to the U of A. I believe his name is TJ Williams. Not really sure. I hope he is all that and we can say good riddance to the last of the Springdale momma's boys.


I believe DJ Williams is his name.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 10:44:53 am
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If MM couldn't beat out Casey Dick, ROJO and a couple of walkons running a simple offense is he really as good as everyone says??

We'll never know.  As I said, Mustain is a product of a spread system, and the current offense at the U of A doesn't fit what he is accustomed to.  Now that Malzahn is gone, he'll never be a good fit.  I will agree that he probably isn't as good as what he was hyped to be, but again, it goes back to the offense he ran in high school.  It's a lot easier to mask any deficiencies with a spread offense.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: Billy Bob on January 17, 2007, 11:42:40 am
I hear we have a committment (Springdale people dont understand this word) from a Stud Tight End that continues to say he is coming to the U of A. I believe his name is TJ Williams. Not really sure. I hope he is all that and we can say good riddance to the last of the Springdale momma's boys.


I believe DJ Williams is his name.

...and he is not "all that." Ben Cleveland is a lot better than him.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 11:43:26 am
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
What?  Nutt's finished after this debacle, WAKE UP, no one will likely even give him a chance to coach again.  Boise undefeated without him, 4-7 with him.  Fire him and Frank both today.
Dude.Your wanting to fire a coach that LSU and Neb. tried to hire?
Also. Fire an AD that has built AR into a model athletic program?
your wrong.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: humbleme on January 17, 2007, 11:44:44 am
I will agree MM could throw the ball, the problem is it was to the wrong team and really at the wrong times.  A couple of Dick's INT's were at the end of quarters and halfs and was just long throws down field.  By MM, good luck at Tulsa or where ever your Mom can speak for you.
The Razorback Nation is in disaray right now, but it will all be okay!  Just give it a chance to work out the cancer.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: arkfan610 on January 17, 2007, 11:45:58 am
Your crazy if you think that Arkansas should have beaten Florida.  We could have beaten them yes, but it would have taken a super effort.  Just a good one would have not even gotten it done.  Same goes for LSU.  I don't know what was Malazahn and what wasn't.  We sure did not pass it anymore than any other year.  The wildcat could have been Nutt's doing, it was just another way to run the football, and show a lack of confidence in our quarterback.  We put points on the board this year.  I would say special teams were our downfall.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: 7AFBFAN on January 17, 2007, 11:46:07 am
You guys obviously didn't ask DJ's momma who was best. haha. Seriously, I don't even know where the guy is from, I just heard Rick Schaffer talking about him and his opinion is that DJ is the real deal and so good that throwing to the tight end will happen.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: athletic supporter on January 17, 2007, 11:49:01 am
 DJ is from CAC. IMHO, he is too small to play the TE position in D1 football. He is a very athletic young man, though.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: Billy Bob on January 17, 2007, 11:49:04 am
He is from CAC, I believe. And he did some great things there...I just don't think is as good as Ben Cleveland. That is my opinion.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: T-Wacker on January 17, 2007, 12:10:28 pm
After the coaching change in the Nutt era, he was essentially told that he would get no playing time.

Think it could have been that Nutt was a horrible QB? I watched him in the 1978 Orange Bowl and he looked like a average junior high QB in that game.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 12:10:52 pm
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football

True, but I think you can add "Houston Nutt never winning a national championship" to the death and taxes adage.
OK. "YOU THINK". Of course AD's at other schools keep Coach Nutt on the "short list". Good thing you do not make a living being a Athletic Director!
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 17, 2007, 12:13:28 pm
Cleveland is kinda small by todays standards to be an NFL tight end.  235 is even small at the college level any more.
Kellen Winslow Jr. is 248 and he led all TE's in receptions last year in the NFL.  The key is most TE's can't block below about 260.  It's technique, not size.  Then at 260+ they usually can't run/catch.  I think Cleveland has a good chance in the Pro's if he's used right and develops.   
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 12:19:30 pm
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football

True, but I think you can add "Houston Nutt never winning a national championship" to the death and taxes adage.
OK. "YOU THINK". Of course AD's at other schools keep Coach Nutt on the "short list". Good thing you do not make a living being a Athletic Director!

Yes, it is a good thing. I'm very thankful that I'm not an Athletic Director who keeps Houston Nutt on my short list of coaching candidates.  If I were, and I eventually hired him,  I wouldn't have a job very long.  Unless that school is Arkansas.

Here, I'll fix that quote for you:
"True, but I'm 100% sure you can add "Houston Nutt never winning a national championship" to the death and taxes adage."
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: footballfan-tastic on January 17, 2007, 12:27:46 pm
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
What?  Nutt's finished after this debacle, WAKE UP, no one will likely even give him a chance to coach again.  Boise undefeated without him, 4-7 with him.  Fire him and Frank both today.

Nutt was there 1 season, and has been gone along time, long enough for the next guy to get his recruits ad put in his system.  NOt really a good comparison.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: footballfan-tastic on January 17, 2007, 12:31:11 pm
I am amazed at how many people know just what was said by who and to whom and who was lying and who was not.   

The UA program was good before GM and MM and BC and it will continue to be.  Every coach ever at UA suffered some losing seasons I believe.  Nutts record is about the same overall as the rest of em. 
Problem is you all hung you hat on a bunch of freshmen and a high school coach.  Even if that was a good selection you should have, and they should have expected it to be a work in progress.  NO their prima donna attitude was too mcuh for that.  Now they can go prove themselves somewhere else.  IF THEY CAN.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: footballfan-tastic on January 17, 2007, 12:41:02 pm
Cleveland is kinda small by todays standards to be an NFL tight end.  235 is even small at the college level any more.
Kellen Winslow Jr. is 248 and he led all TE's in receptions last year in the NFL.  The key is most TE's can't block below about 260.  It's technique, not size.  Then at 260+ they usually can't run/catch.  I think Cleveland has a good chance in the Pro's if he's used right and develops.   

Unless he learns to be tough, mentally and physically he will never get there.  Not great hands, I remembe 3-4 drops in one game alone, not a great blocker.ONe thing he is good at , helping create controversy, maybe he can go wher ever T O is playing, nice pair.  Add MM adn make it a threesome.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 12:41:28 pm
After the coaching change in the Nutt era, he was essentially told that he would get no playing time.



Think it could have been that Nutt was a horrible QB? I watched him in the 1978 Orange Bowl and he looked like a average junior high QB in that game.

If he played in that game, it had to be in the end in a mop-up role. Ron Calcagni was the starter and only threw 11 or 12 passes himself for something less than 100 yards. We beat Oklahoma 31-6 by running over them. Roland Sales had over 200 yards in that game. With a great running game, you don't have to throw 35 times a game.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 12:42:57 pm
Unless he learns to be tough, mentally and physically he will never get there.  Not great hands, I remembe 3-4 drops in one game alone, not a great blocker.ONe thing he is good at , helping create controversy, maybe he can go wher ever T O is playing, nice pair.  Add MM adn make it a threesome.

Not to be rude, but what part of your backside are you pulling this stuff from?
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 17, 2007, 12:44:40 pm
Cleveland is kinda small by todays standards to be an NFL tight end.  235 is even small at the college level any more.
Kellen Winslow Jr. is 248 and he led all TE's in receptions last year in the NFL.  The key is most TE's can't block below about 260.  It's technique, not size.  Then at 260+ they usually can't run/catch.  I think Cleveland has a good chance in the Pro's if he's used right and develops.   

Unless he learns to be tough, mentally and physically he will never get there.  Not great hands, I remembe 3-4 drops in one game alone, not a great blocker.ONe thing he is good at , helping create controversy, maybe he can go wher ever T O is playing, nice pair.  Add MM adn make it a threesome.
I hope he does leave.  He should.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: arkfan610 on January 17, 2007, 12:57:13 pm

Bottom line.  If you want a elite coach who will stay, you had better fork out the bucks like Alabama did.  They took a leap of faith.  Arkansas will not do that, so for the money Houston Dale will do.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: footballfan-tastic on January 17, 2007, 01:15:10 pm
I'm too lazy to look up HDN's record since coming to UA, or his record at the other schools where he was head coach.  Anyone have that handy?
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: footballfan-tastic on January 17, 2007, 01:18:22 pm
Unless he learns to be tough, mentally and physically he will never get there.  Not great hands, I remembe 3-4 drops in one game alone, not a great blocker.ONe thing he is good at , helping create controversy, maybe he can go wher ever T O is playing, nice pair.  Add MM adn make it a threesome.

Not to be rude, but what part of your backside are you pulling this stuff from?

The same part that their mommys' are most likely still putting powder on for them.

They have not exhibited mental or physical toughness at the college level.  where? When?  Cleveland is not a great college blocking TE, watch a game film.  MM and BC , well look at it this way, kids are products of their parents.  Who made the journey to see Frank to complain on the behalf of their sons?  Maybe the parents should play on their behalf as well.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 17, 2007, 01:22:45 pm
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
What?  Nutt's finished after this debacle, WAKE UP, no one will likely even give him a chance to coach again.  Boise undefeated without him, 4-7 with him.  Fire him and Frank both today.
Dude.Your wanting to fire a coach that LSU and Neb. tried to hire?
Also. Fire an AD that has built AR into a model athletic program?
your wrong.
Model athletic program?  You need to get out of the state more.  I'm sure the people in Columbus, South Bend, Ann Arbor, Coral Gables, Austin, Pasadena are doing okay.  Notice I didn't have to mention the SCHOOL name for you to know who I was talking about.  If you asked someone not from here what they thought about the athletic program in Fayetteville.  The answer would be "What university is in Fayetteville, NC"?  Think about it.  Regional, tier 2 program at best.  Of course it's the best, AND ONLY, program Frank has built.   
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 01:24:11 pm
That's the point - the kid didn't create the controversy, which was the point of your post.  And I don't remember him dropping a lot of balls.  Which game was that?
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: arkfan610 on January 17, 2007, 01:30:17 pm
There can only be so many Tier 1 programs and undefeated or one loss teams every year.  We are not one of them.  For every win somebody has to lose.

Bottom line.  If you want a elite coach who will stay, you had better fork out the bucks like Alabama did.  They took a leap of faith.  Arkansas will not do that, so for the money Houston Dale will do.ery year. We are not one of them.  Somebody has to lose for every win.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 17, 2007, 01:34:57 pm
That's the point - the kid didn't create the controversy, which was the point of your post.  And I don't remember him dropping a lot of balls.  Which game was that?
I remember one he caught to win the Alabama game, thrown by MM.  He was/is a good college TE.  Maybe not great.  To me, Damien was the big loss of anything we've seen the past 6 weeks.  He was the guy we needed to keep.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: ahsalum on January 17, 2007, 01:48:39 pm

Fire an AD that has built AR into a model athletic program?

As moderators, I think we should have sensors built into the boards that automatically delete idiotic posts like this one.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: nfblaze on January 17, 2007, 02:19:51 pm
That was THEN, this is NOW.

How many of the BCS Bowl Teams won their games by putting it on the ground as much as we did. Florida threw hardly any downfield passes. They carved up OSU's defense with short and concise pass plays that took advantage of their personnel. Urban Meyer didn't win with his player's he won with Zook's, that being said, you don't always need YOUR type of players to run the offense efficient enough to win a NATIONAL title. We brought in a truckload of receivers last year for? You most certainly don't think we recruited them to run that terrible pass game last year. Gus' offense doesn't take a genius to run either. I've said a number of times he had about 25 plays that could be ran in various formations. He knows not to abandon our bread and butter, so why would he? He was hired to install his offense and add a needed pass offense. Mustain struggled under center but improved as the season progressed. How many times must you see his first drive against USC to know that Gus' offense was what he was most comfortable in. You don't bring a dropback passer in to hand the ball off, or at least in other schools. Casey Dick was a dropback passer also and showed promise his freshman season. No dropback passer could be successful in Nutt's system, that's why Clark,Jackson, and Barthel transferred. Stoerner was a product of Ferguson's and Nutt fired him when he was beginning to get some credit for developing Clint. Nutt doesn't like being out of the spotlight. Face it, he's a liar, joke, and a motivator->terrible excuse for a d-1 coach. When our progam is committed to winning like, let's say Alabama..They went ALL out to get Nick Saban, a proven winner. Has Nutt proved he can win? Not even a SEC Championship..He's the longest tenured coach in the SEC and has nothing to show for it. Open your eyes Razorback faithful, we won't win under him..Get committed to winning..Then maybe we could win a National Championship
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 02:27:43 pm
I'm too lazy to look up HDN's record since coming to UA, or his record at the other schools where he was head coach.  Anyone have that handy?

I don't know his records at other schools, but I believe he is 68-43 at Arkansas which is a .620 percentage. That compares to .680 for Nick Saban at his two college stops. I think Saban is something like 84-40. Take away the two post-NCAA investigation years (which Nutt had nothing to do with but had to pay the penalties with loss of scholarships, recruit contact and visits) and his win percentage jumps to .670. That compares with .740 for Holtz, .770 for Hatfield (anyone want him back?), .720 for Broyles, .470 for Ford and .380 for Crowe.

Certainly, not the coach with the best record, but far from the worst.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: GimmeABreak! on January 17, 2007, 02:28:48 pm
Lets Run the wishbone!  Johnson at QB, with Hillis, Jones and D-Mac in the Bone!  Its worth a try!
Title: Levels of support
Post by: mack on January 17, 2007, 02:29:30 pm
All the bashing and hugging that goes on here has been pretty passionate.  I was just curious as to how many of us really support the University.  Anybody can be a fan, but not all support.  How many of us bashers and huggers that are on here everyday actually send money to the U of A in the form of season ticket purchases, Foundation contributions, sending a kid to school there or even just attended UA yourself?  I'd like to see how many there are on both sides of this strife.  I'd like to think that those who are the most passionate are backing it up with real support.  Hopefully we'll see.  How 'bout it Ivan, RD, rsvl?
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 02:33:09 pm
While Saban did win a championship at LSU, in his two college stops he 124 games to 111 for Nutt at Arkansas. With 13 more games, he only has 16 more wins. Win percentage-wise, Houston is only .060 behind him.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: mack on January 17, 2007, 02:34:49 pm


I would be capable of running Nutt's offense.  It doesn't take a lot to take a snap and hand it off to a receiver.

And you could easily have been a better passer than the quarterbacks we had.  If we had a QB that proved they could throw it without something bad happening a large % of the time, we'd have thrown it.  Who proved they could throw it 'Nole?  We had a much better chance of Mac or Felix getting 6-10 yds than our passers/receivers.





Title: Re: Levels of support
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 02:35:45 pm
All the bashing and hugging that goes on here has been pretty passionate.  I was just curious as to how many of us really support the University.  Anybody can be a fan, but not all support.  How many of us bashers and huggers that are on here everyday actually send money to the U of A in the form of season ticket purchases, Foundation contributions, sending a kid to school there or even just attended UA yourself?  I'd like to see how many there are on both sides of this strife.  I'd like to think that those who are the most passionate are backing it up with real support.  Hopefully we'll see.  How 'bout it Ivan, RD, rsvl?

All of the above for many years and many more to come, except for the kids in school. My two, over my objection but with my support, chose to go elsewhere.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 02:38:33 pm


I would be capable of running Nutt's offense.  It doesn't take a lot to take a snap and hand it off to a receiver.

And you could easily have been a better passer than the quarterbacks we had.  If we had a QB that proved they could throw it without something bad happening a large % of the time, we'd have thrown it.  Who proved they could throw it 'Nole?  We had a much better chance of Mac or Felix getting 6-10 yds than our passers/receivers.



Like Lou Holtz (he of the .740 record at the U of A) said, "three things can happen when you pass and two of them are bad." If you can run it down the other team's throat, then do it.
Title: Re: Levels of support
Post by: mack on January 17, 2007, 02:45:51 pm
All the bashing and hugging that goes on here has been pretty passionate.  I was just curious as to how many of us really support the University.  Anybody can be a fan, but not all support.  How many of us bashers and huggers that are on here everyday actually send money to the U of A in the form of season ticket purchases, Foundation contributions, sending a kid to school there or even just attended UA yourself?  I'd like to see how many there are on both sides of this strife.  I'd like to think that those who are the most passionate are backing it up with real support.  Hopefully we'll see.  How 'bout it Ivan, RD, rsvl?

All of the above for many years and many more to come, except for the kids in school. My two, over my objection but with my support, chose to go elsewhere.

Financially, I could not attend UA although I wanted to.  Fortunately, my oldest daughter is there now.  Hopefully #2 will attend as well.  Like you, my support will continue.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: HA_Fan on January 17, 2007, 02:47:24 pm
If you can run it down the other team's throat, then do it.

...and if you can't, then lose 4 consecutive games to end the season.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: T-Wacker on January 17, 2007, 02:52:37 pm
After the coaching change in the Nutt era, he was essentially told that he would get no playing time.



Think it could have been that Nutt was a horrible QB? I watched him in the 1978 Orange Bowl and he looked like a average junior high QB in that game.

If he played in that game, it had to be in the end in a mop-up role. Ron Calcagni was the starter and only threw 11 or 12 passes himself for something less than 100 yards. We beat Oklahoma 31-6 by running over them. Roland Sales had over 200 yards in that game. With a great running game, you don't have to throw 35 times a game.

He played in the first half when the game was either 7-0 or 14-0. He was nothing short of embarrassing.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: T-Wacker on January 17, 2007, 02:54:12 pm
After the coaching change in the Nutt era, he was essentially told that he would get no playing time.

Think it could have been that Nutt was a horrible QB? I watched him in the 1978 Orange Bowl and he looked like a average junior high QB in that game.
You didn't see much of HDN in the 78 Orange Bowl as starter Ron Calcagni played most of the game,

Right, because he was horrible. Calcagni was a junior and this was his first year to start. Nutt was not even capable of being 4th string that year. If Calcagni would have been injured, Arkansas would not have won 3 games.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 02:54:50 pm
And you could easily have been a better passer than the quarterbacks we had.  If we had a QB that proved they could throw it without something bad happening a large % of the time, we'd have thrown it.  Who proved they could throw it 'Nole?  We had a much better chance of Mac or Felix getting 6-10 yds than our passers/receivers.

That's my point - Nutt's offense is so one-dimensional, anyone could play QB.  The problem is, it would be hard for anyone to pass in Nutt's system.  It's hard to find an open receiver when there's only one, maybe two guys that run routes.  So, to answer your question, nobody proved they could throw it.  In fact, I don't think any passing QB could excel in that offense in its current state.  You can point to Stoerner, but he called A LOT of audibles, and remember, Arkansas' running game wasn't what it is today, so the coaches had to be more creative in the passing game.  Now, they are so spoiled by the running game, it's almost as if they have forgotten about developing a passing game.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: T-Wacker on January 17, 2007, 03:00:50 pm


I would be capable of running Nutt's offense.  It doesn't take a lot to take a snap and hand it off to a receiver.

And you could easily have been a better passer than the quarterbacks we had.  If we had a QB that proved they could throw it without something bad happening a large % of the time, we'd have thrown it.  Who proved they could throw it 'Nole?  We had a much better chance of Mac or Felix getting 6-10 yds than our passers/receivers.



Like Lou Holtz (he of the .740 record at the U of A) said, "three things can happen when you pass and two of them are bad." If you can run it down the other team's throat, then do it.

Lou Holtz didn't say that, Darrell Royal from Texas said that back in the 50's or 60's. Lou might have repeated it, but Royal is the originator.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: HA_Fan on January 17, 2007, 03:08:55 pm
Lou Holtz didn't say that, Darrell Royal from Texas said that back in the 50's or 60's. Lou might have repeated it, but Royal is the originator.

Ironically, Royal's team had the QB with the 5th highest passer rating in the country last season as well as tying the D-1 recording for passing TDs by a Freshman.

You've got to have a passing game.
Title: Re: Levels of support
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 17, 2007, 03:37:08 pm
Sorry, I don't have a dog in this fight, er, discussion.  My money goes to FSU.  Before anyone decides to chastise me for not being loyal to my state, understand that I have my reasons, and they center around a good deed done by Mr. Bowden.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 03:39:06 pm


I would be capable of running Nutt's offense.  It doesn't take a lot to take a snap and hand it off to a receiver.

And you could easily have been a better passer than the quarterbacks we had.  If we had a QB that proved they could throw it without something bad happening a large % of the time, we'd have thrown it.  Who proved they could throw it 'Nole?  We had a much better chance of Mac or Felix getting 6-10 yds than our passers/receivers.



Like Lou Holtz (he of the .740 record at the U of A) said, "three things can happen when you pass and two of them are bad." If you can run it down the other team's throat, then do it.

Lou Holtz didn't say that, Darrell Royal from Texas said that back in the 50's or 60's. Lou might have repeated it, but Royal is the originator.

I was at a dinner where Holtz was the speaker (the most entertaining I have ever heard by the way) and he made that statement during the Q & A when someone asked him why he didn't pass more. He may have given Royal the credit for the statement but I don't recall him giving such credit. At any rate, the coach with the second highest winning percentage in modern Razorback history (maybe of all time but I haven't checked the pre-Broyles days) favored the run. By the way, the coach with the highest  winning percentage - Ken Hatfield. Talk about a running coach. Hey, maybe those professional talking heads on NFL football broadcasts really know what they are talking about when they say that without a running game, you can't win the big one!
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: sportsfan05 on January 17, 2007, 04:21:07 pm
Quit downing Mustain. He never lost a game in the SEC, that speaks for somethin. I would leave to if Nutts gonna lie to Malzahn and the other springdale guys about  just to get him there.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: sportsmom on January 17, 2007, 04:24:53 pm
Find a new team, no way.

This is my program.  This is our program.

This was my program before Nutt came, and it will be after it is liberated from his and Frank Broyles' clutches.  I will never abandon it.

What I continue doing, and what the rest of you who are fed up need to do, is keep being a thorn in their side.

What can we do to really make our voices heard?  Many FF (and Hogville) members have been complaining about Nutt/Broyles for a long time, so obviously just posting stuff here isn't getting the job done.  Who can we write/email to make our thoughts known?  Who has enough influence or concern to make a difference or make a change?
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: panter24 on January 17, 2007, 04:44:22 pm
This kid was so overhyped it was ridiculous!! My grandmother can throw a 5yd hitch to Damien Williams and watch him run!  I have never in my life heard of someone cry so much! He is worse than Gary Brashears!!  I wouldn't be suprised if a school a will decline his transfer.  And for Damien Williams.... He can't catch the ball if it stuck in his face mask.  I lost count of how many footballs the kid dropped in crucial situations!  The only one from the bunch that I am impressed with is Cleveland!  I think we should focus more on recruiting Little Rock!  Just take a look at the kids that we have on the team that is starting from the ROCK!  I say the heck with the little rich kids from Northwest Ark.  and get some athletes from the ROCK!  I strongly would consider A.J. WHITMORE TO REPLACE MUSTAIN (NASHVILLE-2-TIME DEFENDING STATE CHAMPION)... THE KID IS INCREDIBLE WITH THE FOOTBALL IN HIS HANDS!  I DON'T CARE WHAT HIS HEIGHT IS... YOU CAN'T MEASURE THE SIZE OF THE KIDS HEART!!!!!  SOMETHING MUSTAIN LACKS THERE OF!!
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: mudslog on January 17, 2007, 04:47:48 pm
I hear they are going to move some more games to Little Rock so they can be classified as sellouts?   
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 04:48:06 pm
This kid was so overhyped it was ridiculous!! My grandmother can throw a 5yd hitch to Damien Williams and watch him run!  I have never in my life heard of someone cry so much! He is worse than Gary Brashears!!  I wouldn't be suprised if a school a will decline his transfer.  And for Damien Williams.... He can't catch the ball if it stuck in his face mask.  I lost count of how many footballs the kid dropped in crucial situations!  The only one from the bunch that I am impressed with is Cleveland!  I think we should focus more on recruiting Little Rock!  Just take a look at the kids that we have on the team that is starting from the ROCK!  I say the heck with the little rich kids from Northwest Ark.  and get some athletes from the ROCK!  I strongly would consider A.J. WHITMORE TO REPLACE MUSTAIN (NASHVILLE-2-TIME DEFENDING STATE CHAMPION)... THE KID IS INCREDIBLE WITH THE FOOTBALL IN HIS HANDS!  I DON'T CARE WHAT HIS HEIGHT IS... YOU CAN'T MEASURE THE SIZE OF THE KIDS HEART!!!!!  SOMETHING MUSTAIN LACKS THERE OF!!


By the way, I'll bet Mustain is enjoying the swag he got for playing in the Cap One bowl. I wonder if he will give the SEC ring back or show it off at his new school? I know he didn't leave until Malzahn left, but he knew before the bowl game (and all of its lucious gifts) that the Hogs weren't switching to the HUNH. But, he stayed anyway. Wonder why?
Title: Re: Levels of support
Post by: mudslog on January 17, 2007, 04:51:41 pm
My money will go to UA when I actually see the class list, grade points, and degree completions of any of the superstars such as McFadden etc.   
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: R. A.™ on January 17, 2007, 04:54:36 pm

Well since no one in the state has the balls to fire HDN or JFB and won't then if you would, like all of you that are "done" with Razorback Football,  IM me I would like to get better seats for next years football season,

Have Fun and Go Hogs!!!

One more thing....Free at last...Free at last thank coach Nutt and Broyles we are free of the Springdale curse and crap at last!!!!

I hope we never go through another mess like this again!!
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 04:57:47 pm

Well since no one in the state has the balls to fire HDN or JFB and won't then if you would, like all of you that are "done" with Razorback Football,  IM me I would like to get better seats for next years football season,

Have Fun and Go Hogs!!!

One more thing....Free at last...Free at last thank coach Nutt and Broyles we are free of the Springdale curse and crap at last!!!!

I hope we never go through another mess like this again!!

I've been saying all along that I expect to improve in seating next year with all of these naysayers leaving. I'm hoping to move maybe two sections over!!
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: panter24 on January 17, 2007, 04:59:36 pm
YOU HAVE TO BE A IDIOT TO WANT TO RUN A HUNH WHEN YOU HAVE DARREN MCFADDEN AND FELIX JONES.... HECK, I CAN QB THE TEAM!  I AM 100% SURE I CAN HAND OFF TO THOSE TWO AND THROW THE BALL TO HILLIS IN THE FLATS!  I HAVE NEVER PLAYED QB BUT I CAN REALLY SEE MYSELF COMPLETING PASSES!!  LETS GET REAL... WE HAVE THE BEST TWO RUNNING BACKS IN THE COUNTRY... THE BEST FULLBACK IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL AND A 6'6 FREAK AS A WIDE RECIEVER!!!  WHY IN THE heck DO WE NEED MITCH MUSTAIN... OR GUS MUSTAIN!  YEA I SAID IT... I THINK GUS IS MITCH'S DADA! 
Title: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 05:33:11 pm
Cast all your bias aside and honestly project Mitch's level of success.
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: thebigshot on January 17, 2007, 05:35:06 pm
I heard Nick Saban is looking at him.  ;D

Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: Super Scrapper on January 17, 2007, 05:40:32 pm
I say he goes to TULSA....SS

Go Scrappers
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 17, 2007, 05:41:41 pm
You know that may not be a bad idea.  Saban is rebuilding, why not take a chance.  I hope he looks at that one seriously.  I also know at point ND was looking at him.  I don't see Charlie Weiss taking someone he had interest in once in a transfer.  The net is ND doesn't need Mitch. 
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 05:44:06 pm
You know that may not be a bad idea.  Saban is rebuilding, why not take a chance.  I hope he looks at that one seriously.  I also know at point ND was looking at him.  I don't see Charlie Weiss taking someone he had interest in once in a transfer.  The net is ND doesn't need Mitch. 
Yea, if he went to Bama he could play in that "2007 National Championship" against Arkansas like you said.
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 05:44:58 pm
To make it worth the effort, I hope that he shoots for a major D-1.  JMO, but going to Tulsa is not far enough away.  He needs to cut the strings and get farther away from his former home base.  Clear his head and focus on school and football.  I'm not slamming his mom, but he needs to get off alone and get to work.
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: DIG-BIG on January 17, 2007, 05:50:19 pm
Mitch M. has the spot light shinning on him BOTTOM LINE.
He has the support of all SEC teams..........and they are L.O.L.



LSU.....Tenn.......Texas.........Tulsa?

These Teams will coach this boy with a Disciplined Team and leadership at every step.

Walk in his shoes before you stab him in the back. ;)
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: MrOfficial on January 17, 2007, 05:51:05 pm
Ok now we're just getting ridiculous ... we're losing sight of the main issue here.  Next year we will have the two best backs in the nation, bar none!  No our offense shouldn't change, tweak maybe, change NO.  But in two years we will have to rely on something else.  That's where Mustain and Malzahn could have shined, been the saviours, but they are in the mindset of "we want it now".  Two years for not only them to accustom themselves with the speed of the SEC but for the TEAM to pick up on the offense.  But like I said, they wanted it here and now.  And with the 2 RB's we had, no one in their right mind would switch.

As for the three, they really lost all sense of TEAM when their parents showed up at Broyles office ... whether they wanted them to come or not, it really looked bad, and opened themselves up to all sorts of ridicule.  In the end they had no choice but to leave really.
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: Father Guido on January 17, 2007, 06:01:04 pm
KFMS reported tonight that he has been contacted by the new Louisville coach, Oklahoma, and of course he is looking into Tulsa.
I agree with Forked Tongue here. This whole deal is a mess and he is in the center of it like it or not.  Mom didn't help anything. 

Here is a kid who wanted to be a Hog all his life, then becomes the #1 rated high school QB in the country,...get the chance to go to U of A and play under his High School coach, and learn from a former NFL OC,... becomes the started, mainly by default, but manages to win 7 games in a row, (including over Alabama, Auburn, and Ole Miss), then throws an interception in the first series of his 8th start at the college level, and gets yanked because the Head Coach feel that they need some one with more experience.  ...and then everybody blames him for the whole situation and calls him a whiner because he is confused about his role.

The fact that if he transfers to another D-1 school he will have to sit for a year is probably a blessing.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: MrOfficial on January 17, 2007, 06:03:45 pm
No Cleveland is the one we need .. Damien cut his routes short, only ran them hard if he was to be thrown the ball, and dropped too many passes, see SEC Championship game as prime example !
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: HA_Fan on January 17, 2007, 06:06:42 pm
Oklahoma

After seeing what Stoops did with Hybl, White and Thompson, there will be a lot of people eating crow over Mustain if this actually happens.
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: MrOfficial on January 17, 2007, 06:08:25 pm
So he's gotta sit ... why couldnt he sit at Arkansas?  Just doesnt make sense, in two years he could have been an icon at Arkansas, if he'd played his cards right.
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 06:10:32 pm
Louisville is an interesting development.  Timing and style of play both seem to be good.  Not sure how much of the Louisville style the new coach wil do, but obviously a fit in theory.  Just far enough away to.....

Can you imagine the coaches out there not believing the possiblities that they might have a Parade All-American that's on the rebound?  I bet there are more that want a shot to reserect MM's career.  BUt it's really up to MM.  It starts with a good choice and then an all out devotion to whatever develops to wherever he goes....
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: tcockerham on January 17, 2007, 06:10:37 pm
Ben will stay and he will do good.
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 17, 2007, 06:11:50 pm
You know that may not be a bad idea.  Saban is rebuilding, why not take a chance.  I hope he looks at that one seriously.  I also know at point ND was looking at him.  I don't see Charlie Weiss taking someone he had interest in once in a transfer.  The net is ND doesn't need Mitch. 
Yea, if he went to Bama he could play in that "2007 National Championship" against Arkansas like you said.
??? Not sure I ever said that.  I will tell you that Alabama will play for a national title before Arkansas will.  Another one is Gus Malzahn will be on the staff (not a Tulsa, down the road) of a national champion before Nutt will be.  And Saban will have a better record  than Nutt over the next two years.  Write it down.
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: HA_Fan on January 17, 2007, 06:13:59 pm
So he's gotta sit ... why couldnt he sit at Arkansas?  Just doesnt make sense, in two years he could have been an icon at Arkansas, if he'd played his cards right.

He doesn't waste a year of eligibility sitting somewhere else.

I don't think his long term goal is to be an icon at Arkansas.  The NFL doesn't take QBs whose coaches won't start them ahead of Casey Dick.
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 17, 2007, 06:15:26 pm
KFMS reported tonight that he has been contacted by the new Louisville coach, Oklahoma, and of course he is looking into Tulsa.
I agree with Forked Tongue here. This whole deal is a mess and he is in the center of it like it or not.  Mom didn't help anything. 

Here is a kid who wanted to be a Hog all his life, then becomes the #1 rated high school QB in the country,...get the chance to go to U of A and play under his High School coach, and learn from a former NFL OC,... becomes the started, mainly by default, but manages to win 7 games in a row, (including over Alabama, Auburn, and Ole Miss), then throws an interception in the first series of his 8th start at the college level, and gets yanked because the Head Coach feel that they need some one with more experience.  ...and then everybody blames him for the whole situation and calls him a whiner because he is confused about his role.

The fact that if he transfers to another D-1 school he will have to sit for a year is probably a blessing.
You make it sound like the one interception was why he got benched.  It was his sorry performances before the SC game that helped contribute to his benching too. He hadn't won all of those games because of him. He won them because of our D and Darren/Felix. In 11 games Mitch had 10 TDs and 9 Interceptions. He was only averaging about 81 yards a game.
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 06:20:54 pm
Fox Sports Net just reported that he will follow Malzahn to Tulsa.

His life.  But to me it's a mistake.  Good luck either way.
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: tcockerham on January 17, 2007, 06:25:34 pm
MM will do good at a minor college!
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: HA_Fan on January 17, 2007, 06:31:39 pm
MM will do good at a minor college!

8-0 so far.
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 06:34:40 pm
MM will do good at a minor college

It's a team sport.  He'll do as good as his other players perform and his coaches coach.  Not to mention, the level of competition and their performance.

Some may read that as a backhand, but it's not.  A lot of the problem with this entire mess is the "me" attitude of some of the people involved.  A football is more than the QB............but a good one sure does help.

8-0 so far.
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 17, 2007, 06:40:59 pm
He'll end up where Daddy Malzahn tells him to go...Tulsa
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: T-Wacker on January 17, 2007, 06:41:26 pm
Fox Sports Net just reported that he will follow Malzahn to Tulsa.

He is taking a visit to OU, so Fox sports is obviously just projecting him at Tulsa.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: DIG-BIG on January 17, 2007, 06:45:45 pm
It is good to see the Seniors step up and show some leadership.
That is a load of Bull!  No Leaders and No discipline!=====HDN!
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: Hawaii Five-0™ on January 17, 2007, 06:46:49 pm
If Hawaii junior quarterback Colt Brennan declares for the NFL draft. Mitch should go to Hawaii. 
;D ;D His type of offense and BEAUTIFUL WEATHER and BEAUTIFUL BEACHES ;D ;D
and he can throw the ball to fellow NWA resident Eric Shaffer
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 06:49:03 pm
Got a bias there 5-0?

Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: T-Wacker on January 17, 2007, 06:55:56 pm
Any chance of Tennessee where Cutcliffe is the OC. Didn't Mustain look at ND because Cutcliffe was hired at ND but had to quit due to his wife's health?
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: Hawaii Five-0™ on January 17, 2007, 07:06:07 pm
Got a bias there 5-0?



Hey it would be a good fit.
Heck I sent my 14 Year old to Hawaii's Baseball camp last summer. ;D ;D
is that too bias ;D
Title: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 17, 2007, 07:53:20 pm
I know Fox Sports has reported he will go to Tulsa...but Im hearing that Mike Irwin is reporting he will sign with OU tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 07:57:04 pm
I know Fox Sports has reported he will go to Tulsa...but Im hearing that Mike Irwin is reporting he will sign with OU tomorrow.

I didn't keep up with OU this year, but do they run the spread and/or HUNH that is so dear to him?
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: McKnz on January 17, 2007, 08:01:43 pm
I didn't keep up with OU this year, but do they run the spread and/or HUNH that is so dear to him?

No, but they tend to adjust to their talent at the QB position.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 08:04:33 pm
He's reporting that he'll visit tomorrow.  A little different.  Be careful.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: McKnz on January 17, 2007, 08:05:08 pm
He's reporting that he'll visit tomorrow.  A little different.  Be careful.

I think it's all up in the air at this point. Until he makes it official it's all just speculation.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: softballash25 on January 17, 2007, 08:06:22 pm
 :'(     :'(       :'(     

Say it ain't so.   
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: xtremewildcat on January 17, 2007, 08:07:51 pm
Did you miss the press conference held by the Seniors to be today.

Just think how all these other guys feel. Think about what Monk said, he said Mitch did a good job, but he has to EARN his position every day. They also said, they wanted to get rid of "ALL PREMODONAS". They didn't name any names, but I can imagine how hacked off they are when they have worked their butt off to bring this program back to national respect and a few disgruntled FRESHMEN are demanding so much.
Like I said, if Nutt promised these s@#$ butt upstarts everything you people from northwest AR. are claiming they were promised, Nutt should be fired.
I don't think Nutt promised all that I have heard. I have not even read anything from the SHS players to lead me to believe that they were promised all that nonsense. Even MM's mom said that they were never told that they would not change too much while D-MAC and Jones was there.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: McKnz on January 17, 2007, 08:08:42 pm
:'(     :'(       :'(     

Say it ain't so.  

As one OU fan to another...WHAT?
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: McKnz on January 17, 2007, 08:09:38 pm
That was a press conference called by HDN. Not the players.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: RD™ on January 17, 2007, 08:13:58 pm
:'(     :'(       :'(     

Say it ain't so.  
You're friggin kiddin me if you don't think OU won't snatch him up.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: softballash25 on January 17, 2007, 08:15:18 pm
OU does need a QB next year..........but MM.   If anyone could make him a great QB it would be OU, but to deal with all the drama...........not.    ;D
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 17, 2007, 08:19:56 pm
It will be a shock for Beck the first time she approaches Stoops whining about her baby's playing time. 

God, I'd pay good money to see how that conversation goes.  That is, of course, if the rumor is true.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: xtremewildcat on January 17, 2007, 08:20:40 pm
That was a press conference called by HDN. Not the players.
The players asked for the opportunity to speak. What they said was exactly how I felt, when I played. When I played at ASU, we had over forty freshmen come in my freshman year. Over half of them left after our first year. Why, the same reason these guys are leaving AR. It was not the way they thought it would be. Every recruiter makes it look so glamorous. They don't tell you, you are going to have to work your butt off for a couple of years before you see the benefits. I think MM and DW would not have started for any other team in the SEC other than AR. I have also been told by a source from AR. they never really earned their starting positions. If their is anyone that could verify this, please do.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 08:23:23 pm
OU does need a QB next year..........but MM.   If anyone could make him a great QB it would be OU, but to deal with all the drama...........not.    ;D

He won't play anywhere next year...he sits out one.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: ganglion on January 17, 2007, 08:24:33 pm
Find a new team, no way.

This is my program.  This is our program.

This was my program before Nutt came, and it will be after it is liberated from his and Frank Broyles' clutches.  I will never abandon it.

What I continue doing, and what the rest of you who are fed up need to do, is keep being a thorn in their side.

What can we do to really make our voices heard?  Many FF (and Hogville) members have been complaining about Nutt/Broyles for a long time, so obviously just posting stuff here isn't getting the job done.  Who can we write/email to make our thoughts known?  Who has enough influence or concern to make a difference or make a change?

How much do you donate to the program?  Do you have season tickets, do you contribute to the Foundation? 

If you do have season tickets, cancel them.  I might be able to improve my seats.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 08:24:53 pm
Will he be demanding that they change their offense to the spread HUNH? I thought that was all he wanted to run.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: DIG-BIG on January 17, 2007, 08:26:02 pm
Oklahoma has discipline and Leadership.
Under HDN Arkansas has neither on of these. This is the truth.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 08:27:17 pm
Mustian wants discipline?

Where has his dad been in all of this?
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: softballash25 on January 17, 2007, 08:27:25 pm
OU does need a QB next year..........but MM.   If anyone could make him a great QB it would be OU, but to deal with all the drama...........not.    ;D

He won't play anywhere next year...he sits out one.


Oh.........that would be nice.  
Title: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 08:43:38 pm
For those of you on the NCAA investigation train, I have a news flash for you:

Tulsa violated NCAA rules when they offered a job to Gus without first getting permission to speak with him!  It's a fact!  Gus was unaware of the rule himself(no surprise), but the fact that Tulsa violated it is very odd.  The likelihood is that Gus misrepresented it to TU as he scrambled to find a job on a moments notice.

There is no debate about this.  It happened!

Gus has a long way to go when it comes to NCAA coaching and the rules.  He made errors during the recruitment of several key players with his lack of knowledge on the legal recruiting process.  The errors were typcial of a first year college coach.  But it shows you that he has a ways to go before he can run a program.

X's and O's he no doubt knows.  But there are a lot of great Def Coord's out there as well.

Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 17, 2007, 08:45:16 pm
It's a fact!

There is no debate about this.  It happened!

Proof?

Gus has a long way to go when it comes to NCAA coaching and the rules.  He made errors during the recruitment of several key players with his lack of knowledge on the legal recruiting process.

Proof?
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: crote on January 17, 2007, 08:47:55 pm
It's a fact!

There is no debate about this.  It happened!

Proof?

Gus has a long way to go when it comes to NCAA coaching and the rules.  He made errors during the recruitment of several key players with his lack of knowledge on the legal recruiting process.

Proof?

What do you mean proof?  Like the man said, there's no debate.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 17, 2007, 08:50:13 pm
You are correct on this FT.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: SandLizard04 on January 17, 2007, 08:55:35 pm
I didn't keep up with OU this year, but do they run the spread and/or HUNH that is so dear to him?

No, but they tend to adjust to their talent at the QB position.
Correct. Paul Thompson put up better numbers this year than Bomar did last year, but it was in a different offense. Stoops actually knows how to best utilize his talent.

OU does need a QB next year..........but MM.   If anyone could make him a great QB it would be OU, but to deal with all the drama...........not.    ;D
I don't think Mitchell is the cause of the drama...remember, Bob Stoops is not Houston Nutt (Thank the Good Lord).

It will be a shock for Beck the first time she approaches Stoops whining about her baby's playing time. 
Oh, Bobby won't put up with any crap for a minute. He'll tell Beck where her place is in a hurry. He kicked the starting QB off the team weeks before the season started on his first offense without a second thought. Rag OU fans all you want about the Switzer Era, but Bob Stoops will not tolerate any lack of discipline.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: Scorpius on January 17, 2007, 08:55:55 pm
The real question is whether or not the NCAA will come down on him for it.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 09:00:52 pm
No.  It's minor.  It was okayed after the fact, so it's not an issue.  Even if it was it's a slap.  I only posted to show that all parties have culpability.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: invictus on January 17, 2007, 09:05:14 pm
All of us speculate and think we "know" stuff, but when it comes right down to it, we don't know jack. For instance, many say that Houston lied to Malzahn, and the Springdale whiners. But, there have been no specifics given. At least not that I have seen. Was it a direct lie, i.e. You can run the offense you want to and I'll stay out of it, or something more indirect, i.e. We'll work toward opening up the offense where you'll call the plays but I'll have veto? Just like this post. We really don't know that Tulsa didn't ask permission. We really don't know whether or not Malzahn had been let go before Tulsa called. Maybe he called Tulsa looking for a job. Both sides are trying to be professional and we shouldn't speculate about who knew what and when did they know it. You may not like one or more of these guys, but I think they are smart enough to know not to burn any bridges.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: rdubs8 on January 17, 2007, 09:07:57 pm
NUTT HUGGER
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: mudturtle on January 17, 2007, 09:08:19 pm
Here is an odd story. 

I met a man today who mentioned he had once coached in the same HS district as Graham.  Said any time there was a rule to be broken Graham was right at the edge, and frequently on the wrong side.  Allegations of recruiting from adjacent districts were commonplace.  He had no respect for his ethics and honesty.

He ended the conversation with this:  "It may not come for five years, but mark my words, the NCAA will end up investigating Tulsa and they will find violations."
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 09:10:06 pm
We are not in disagreement.  I was simply relaying info.  No doubt the Gus wanted out and no doubt if he found a job that Arkansas was goint to let him go.  It's a very minor thing, but it's an important rule nonetheless.

We've all heard of the "was given permission to speak" statements.  He would have been given permission anyway.  No biggie except Gus is not that far removed from high school and he lacks knowledge of certain things that goes with college coaching.

He passed his test when hired, but we all learn on the job.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: DIG-BIG on January 17, 2007, 09:11:35 pm
For those of you on the NCAA investigation train, I have a news flash for you:

Tulsa violated NCAA rules when they offered a job to Gus without first getting permission to speak with him!  It's a fact!  Gus was unaware of the rule himself(no surprise), but the fact that Tulsa violated it is very odd.  The likelihood is that Gus misrepresented it to TU as he scrambled to find a job on a moments notice.

There is no debate about this.  It happened!

Gus has a long way to go when it comes to NCAA coaching and the rules.  He made errors during the recruitment of several key players with his lack of knowledge on the legal recruiting process.  The errors were typcial of a first year college coach.  But it shows you that he has a ways to go before he can run a program.

X's and O's he no doubt knows.  But there are a lot of great Def Coord's out there as well.


Nutt Lickin Fool! What a load of Bull.....Lawyers.....Fool.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: DB on January 17, 2007, 09:56:21 pm
My thing is this, I refuse to be a darksider.  Whatever happens, I would rather not be someone who constantly complains.  By the same token, I am realist.  I am appauled by some of the things are going on up there.  And none of what I don't like has to do with rumors.  I don't read Hogville because it is 99.9% negativity with an agenda.  I enjoyed watching the Razorbacks this year.  I enjoy going to the games.  It is just a lot of fun.  I don't look for things to complain about.  I think Gus is very talented and very intelligent.  I think he would have been very good for the program.  I hated to see him go.  I hate it that our fans are so divided on this deal.  I don't think there is any quick solution.  If Nutt was to leave, it would be extremely difficult to get a coach here that would be productive and be able to bring the fan base together.  I am convinced that, for the most part, the people that complained through this season enjoy complaining and will not ever get to a point of continual happiness with the Razorback football program.  Complaining has become a hobby for so many people.  A hobby that they enjoy and are passionate about.  Sure, if Nutt was fired, there would be a lot of people that would get on the band wagon of whoever was brought in just because he wasn't HDN.  However, any new love affair will be temporal.  It is too much fun and there is too much money to be made by complaining.

Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 17, 2007, 10:00:59 pm
No.  It's minor.  It was okayed after the fact, so it's not an issue.  Even if it was it's a slap.  I only posted to show that all parties have culpability.

All programs commit minor violations all the time.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 10:32:55 pm
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
What?  Nutt's finished after this debacle, WAKE UP, no one will likely even give him a chance to coach again.  Boise undefeated without him, 4-7 with him.  Fire him and Frank both today.
Dude.Your wanting to fire a coach that LSU and Neb. tried to hire?
Also. Fire an AD that has built AR into a model athletic program?
your wrong.
Model athletic program?
  YES. A model NCAA program!.
You need to get out of the state more. 
 I was on the UT Austin campus for 6 hours last week.
I'm sure the people in Columbus, South Bend, Ann Arbor, Coral Gables, Austin, Pasadena are doing okay.  Notice I didn't have to mention the SCHOOL name for you to know who I was talking about. 
 I have been to several of those cities and a couple have facilities that are equal to UAF. But while meeting with school officials whereever I travel each mention how nice Fayetteville is. And yes they usually just say "Fayetteville" in reference to The University of Arkansas.
If you asked someone not from here what they thought about the athletic program in Fayetteville.  The answer would be "What university is in Fayetteville, NC"? 
 Wrong.
Think about it.  Regional, tier 2 program at best. 
Your silly!
Of course it's the best, AND ONLY, program Frank has built.
 And I was making the point that Coach Broyles has built a overall athletic program. Facility, Men, Women, Major and Minor sports. For a small state [3 million] to have such is a wonder! And when you spend 50 years at one school, you can expect only "one" program to be built.
You should get out more!    
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: panther_pride on January 17, 2007, 10:43:24 pm
Here is an odd story. 

I met a man today who mentioned he had once coached in the same HS district as Graham.  Said any time there was a rule to be broken Graham was right at the edge, and frequently on the wrong side.  Allegations of recruiting from adjacent districts were commonplace.  He had no respect for his ethics and honesty.

He ended the conversation with this:  "It may not come for five years, but mark my words, the NCAA will end up investigating Tulsa and they will find violations."
In 5 years, Gus will either be a headcoach at a major college or an NFL offensive coordinator.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 10:49:03 pm

Fire an AD that has built AR into a model athletic program?

As moderators, I think we should have sensors built into the boards that automatically delete idiotic posts like this one.

My example of what Coach Broyles has built can be summed up with this example. If you walked into a collage English class at "UCA, UALR, ASU, ATU, UAPB, UAM, HSU, Harding, Ouachita, Lyon, John Brown, Miss County CC, Westark, NACC" on Thursday, January 18, 2007 do you know the one thing you would find in common? ANSWER: A person wearing a Razorback! Everyone who is anyone follows the Hogs! That is because of Coach Broyles. Look around and count the people that send their children to a "local school" and send their dollars to the Arkansas Razorback Sporting teams! If you live in the border of Arkansas then the Razorbacks are "Your team".  This is a model that folks around the nation use when looking at their programs. If you do not believe that as fact then your very silly!
And you know what else. My example will offend someone. Because they attended collage at a "local school". But- I will wager that if I walked around their house I would find something with a Razorback on it! Or better- Make note that they are on a Razorback chat site!
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 10:50:43 pm
Find a new team, no way.

This is my program.  This is our program.

This was my program before Nutt came, and it will be after it is liberated from his and Frank Broyles' clutches.  I will never abandon it.

What I continue doing, and what the rest of you who are fed up need to do, is keep being a thorn in their side.

What can we do to really make our voices heard?  Many FF (and Hogville) members have been complaining about Nutt/Broyles for a long time, so obviously just posting stuff here isn't getting the job done.  Who can we write/email to make our thoughts known?  Who has enough influence or concern to make a difference or make a change?

How much do you donate to the program?  Do you have season tickets, do you contribute to the Foundation? 

If you do have season tickets, cancel them.  I might be able to improve my seats.

Good. True. Funny.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 10:54:31 pm
Now that's faith.  Step out there pantherfan.  I think you need to extend your timeline.  But be aware, there are much worse sharks than the waters of Arkansas have along his path.  He'll need to develop thicker skin.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Sack on January 17, 2007, 10:54:58 pm
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
What?  Nutt's finished after this debacle, WAKE UP, no one will likely even give him a chance to coach again.  Boise undefeated without him, 4-7 with him.  Fire him and Frank both today.
Dude.Your wanting to fire a coach that LSU and Neb. tried to hire?
Also. Fire an AD that has built AR into a model athletic program?
your wrong.
That AD has built a lot of buildings, stadiums, monuments to himself, etc.  He has not built a model program.  There is a difference.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 10:55:33 pm
I'm too lazy to look up HDN's record since coming to UA, or his record at the other schools where he was head coach.  Anyone have that handy?

I don't know his records at other schools, but I believe he is 68-43 at Arkansas which is a .620 percentage. That compares to .680 for Nick Saban at his two college stops. I think Saban is something like 84-40. Take away the two post-NCAA investigation years (which Nutt had nothing to do with but had to pay the penalties with loss of scholarships, recruit contact and visits) and his win percentage jumps to .670. That compares with .740 for Holtz, .770 for Hatfield (anyone want him back?), .720 for Broyles, .470 for Ford and .380 for Crowe.

Certainly, not the coach with the best record, but far from the worst.

Good Post. Should open some eyes and close some mouths [or slow some fingers]. Of course I would bet that several will come here to "cry".
HEY. I like Coach Hatfield! Would watch a Flexbone team again win a Conference Championship and play in a Bowl game.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 10:58:01 pm
herws you never can tell what can happen in college
football
What?  Nutt's finished after this debacle, WAKE UP, no one will likely even give him a chance to coach again.  Boise undefeated without him, 4-7 with him.  Fire him and Frank both today.
Dude.Your wanting to fire a coach that LSU and Neb. tried to hire?
Also. Fire an AD that has built AR into a model athletic program?
your wrong.
That AD has built a lot of buildings, stadiums, monuments to himself, etc.  He has not built a model program.  There is a difference.

Professionals consider UA Fayetteville to be a model athletic program overall.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: panther_pride on January 17, 2007, 10:59:43 pm
Now that's faith.  Step out there pantherfan.  I think you need to extend your timeline.  But be aware, there are much worse sharks than the waters of Arkansas have along his path.  He'll need to develop thicker skin.
He's an offensive genius... Pair that with a few Conference-USA titles and he'll be ready to go. If by developing thick skin you mean he needs to thoughen up then you're wrong... He's handling this all extremely well... Do you realize some of the things people say to him these days? Besides, I'd take him as my head coach right now.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 11:01:40 pm
I'm just saying it's tougher than most think.  I think he'll have a good career.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: panther_pride on January 17, 2007, 11:02:23 pm
I'm just saying it's tougher than most think.  I think he'll have a good career.
And HE'S tougher than most think... He'll have a great career.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 17, 2007, 11:02:36 pm
Professionals consider UA Fayetteville to be a model athletic program overall.

Those professionals must have the world record for fricked up work environment, then.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: gameoflife on January 17, 2007, 11:03:00 pm
It is all about Gus, MM and that crew.  If it isn't they can't handle it.  It wasn't and so they moved on.  What ever happened to being a team player?  MM never learned it at SD.  He got plenty of press and a big head.  GM pretty much the same story.  Not denying he was a good high school coach, but for now he ain't proved a thing in college.  Let's wait and see what happens in Arkansas and Oklahoma next year.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Footballer on January 17, 2007, 11:04:07 pm
Professionals consider UA Fayetteville to be a model atheltic track program overall.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 11:06:05 pm
Professionals consider UA Fayetteville to be a model atheltic track program overall.
So you do not like the way the Baseball program is heading?
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 17, 2007, 11:07:45 pm
Gus bailed people...he is all about himself and himself only..the writing is on the wall..but some of you cant see it.I look for David Lee to indeed be hired..because that was the plan anyways..and Gus didnt like it..so he bailed...they was going to bring David Lee in to be the CO-OC and QB coach(Looks like they were wanting to replace Alex Wood as well)and let Gus be Co-OC...Gus didnt like that and bailed when he was offered Co-HC and OC position at Tulsa...But...Gus is known for things like that..he did the same to Benton back in the 90's..Benton HS hired him and he stayed 12 days..didnt like some things and went back to Shiloh.So by the looks of things...since he was going to have to take a bit of a decreased role to allow a NFL coach to come in and help..he bailed..kind of like Damian Williams did...they are not team players..they are all for themselves.The way I see it..if you are not a TRUE Razorback..then Be Gone..GM and DW were not true Razorbacks and were only out for themselves...even the National Media is picking up on it and saying the same thing.

some of you need to read this again..some may not have seen it since the threads were all put together
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Footballer on January 17, 2007, 11:09:38 pm
I love the way it's heading, but I loved the way this football season was heading, too. And now where are we at?
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: gameoflife on January 17, 2007, 11:11:34 pm
There are so many things that can go amiss with his college career.  You sound awfully naive, or you just love Gus not matter what.  Good high school coach, no doubt when coaching good talent, better talent than he played against but now the talent is not better and at Tulsa maybe not even as good.  Well that will be no problem for a genius.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 17, 2007, 11:16:05 pm
OU visit cancelled.  Louisville gaining steam.  No decision near.  Best to just wait.  Irwin reports USC a small shot and a un-named SEC team. (Bama?)
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: panther_pride on January 17, 2007, 11:19:57 pm
There are so many things that can go amiss with his college career.  You sound awfully naive, or you just love Gus not matter what.  Good high school coach, no doubt when coaching good talent, better talent than he played against but now the talent is not better and at Tulsa maybe not even as good.  Well that will be no problem for a genius.
Read his book... He has a great offensive mind and will do big things...
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 11:24:01 pm
I love the way it's heading, but I loved the way this football season was heading, too. And now where are we at?

I myself am enjoying a 10-4 season, SEC West, Great Bowl and a new OC announced today. Things look bright for the Razorback 2007 Football season.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Footballer on January 17, 2007, 11:27:55 pm
If you truely belivee this season looks like a success, you are sadly mistaken. We are the red-headed step-child of college football right now.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 17, 2007, 11:29:54 pm
Good high school coach, no doubt when coaching good talent, better talent than he played against but now the talent is not better and at Tulsa maybe not even as good.

Classic example of speaking when one has no idea of what is speaking about.

The ONLY year that Malzahn ever had superior talent than his competition was in his last year at Springdale. Check your facts before you post.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: HA_Fan on January 17, 2007, 11:31:17 pm
Professionals consider UA Fayetteville to be a model athletic program overall.

Professional wrestlers?  Professional psychics?
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 11:37:20 pm
If you truly believe this season looks like a success, you are sadly mistaken. We are the red-headed step-child of college football right now.
After season "cleaning" is occurring all over the Nation. The "saga" is big/bad to us in Arkansas simply because it is "local drama/gossip". The Season was a success, recruitting looks good and the future looks bright. Coach Nutt [and the Razorback team] comes out of this January stronger than last January.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 17, 2007, 11:39:39 pm
There were a couple of years at Shiloh when he had better talent, but when he got to Sdale the talent was not as good as it was when he left you are correct

No, he NEVER had superior talent at Shiloh. Maybe in his conference (he played in 1AA, come on) but not across the classification. He might have had better talent at Hughes.

His Shiloh teams went toe-to-toe with both Wynne and Springdale. Year in and year out, Wynne is amoung the most-talented programs in the state across all classifications. Shiloh never was in that league when Malzahn was there.
Title: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: MrOfficial on January 17, 2007, 11:40:04 pm
For all of you disgruntled Foundation Members and Season Ticket holders who aren't renewing next year .. that means better seats for those of us who ARE renewing !!  So make sure you stay true to your word, parking in front of the Broyles Shrine, I mean complex, would be nice too !!
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 11:42:36 pm
Professionals consider UA Fayetteville to be a model athletic program overall.

Professional wrestlers?  Professional psychics?

NCAA, College Leaders, AD's, King Booker, Business Heads, Coaches, Mr. Kennedy, SEC and the Other Conferences, Board of Trustees Members, Television Executives. THOSE TYPES.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 17, 2007, 11:42:54 pm
OU visit cancelled.  Louisville gaining steam.  No decision near.  Best to just wait.  Irwin reports USC a small shot and a un-named SEC team. (Bama?)

Where did you hear this?
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 11:53:01 pm
All of us speculate and think we "know" stuff, but when it comes right down to it, we don't know jack. For instance, many say that Houston lied to Malzahn, and the Springdale whiners. But, there have been no specifics given. At least not that I have seen. Was it a direct lie, i.e. You can run the offense you want to and I'll stay out of it, or something more indirect, i.e. We'll work toward opening up the offense where you'll call the plays but I'll have veto? Just like this post. We really don't know that Tulsa didn't ask permission. We really don't know whether or not Malzahn had been let go before Tulsa called. Maybe he called Tulsa looking for a job. Both sides are trying to be professional and we shouldn't speculate about who knew what and when did they know it. You may not like one or more of these guys, but I think they are smart enough to know not to burn any bridges.

That is what I am enjoying right now. All coaches involved are being "business polite". It is over and they are moving on. BUT. The "people" will not have that! There is dirt out there and they all want it. Media types also. "Where is the dirty laundry"?
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 11:55:07 pm
Did I ever say in the entire state, no, and agreed the only year his SD team had superior talent was his last. But within his system all you need are athletes that understand and can execute it, and a coaching staff that understands and can call in plays rapidly.
That is true in any system correct? Wishbobe, Wing-T, HUNH, Spread.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: LR Football on January 17, 2007, 11:58:19 pm
Here is an odd story. 

I met a man today who mentioned he had once coached in the same HS district as Graham.  Said any time there was a rule to be broken Graham was right at the edge, and frequently on the wrong side.  Allegations of recruiting from adjacent districts were commonplace.  He had no respect for his ethics and honesty.

He ended the conversation with this:  "It may not come for five years, but mark my words, the NCAA will end up investigating Tulsa and they will find violations."

I will go with the AD's and search committee of Rice and Tulsa before I go with "the man you met today"!
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 18, 2007, 12:00:16 am
Professionals consider UA Fayetteville to be a model athletic program overall.

Professional wrestlers?  Professional psychics?

Close -- Professional Consultants.  Like these two guys:

(http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/1999/images/officespace_thebobs.jpg)

Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: HA_Fan on January 18, 2007, 12:03:40 am
Close -- Professional Consultants.  Like these two guys:

(http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/1999/images/officespace_thebobs.jpg)



I wouldn't exactly say I've been missing it, Bob.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: LR Football on January 18, 2007, 12:29:12 am
gus simply took a better job offer...not nearly as much pressure....fanatics not watching his every move..more control...better job enviroment...the potential for greatness is there unlike on the hill(which already peaked long long ago)
SURE! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
now what year did Arkansas peak?
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: HA_Fan on January 18, 2007, 12:30:54 am
now what year did Arkansas peak?

1964.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 18, 2007, 12:34:43 am
Oh, Bobby won't put up with any crap for a minute. He'll tell Beck where her place is in a hurry. He kicked the starting QB off the team weeks before the season started on his first offense without a second thought. Rag OU fans all you want about the Switzer Era, but Bob Stoops will not tolerate any lack of discipline.

I've noticed that - I have to ask, where did he learn that?  Was Spurrier a big disciplinarian at Florida?  You know, as much as I dislike the guy, I have a lot of respect for the way he runs his program.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: LR Football on January 18, 2007, 12:34:47 am
now what year did Arkansas peak?

1964.
your funny!
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 12:54:29 am
It will be a shock for Beck the first time she approaches Stoops whining about her baby's playing time.

Beck would have to be a meddling, interfering parent in the first place for that to happen.  She is not.

Mitch Mustain will not be going to Oklahoma.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 01:01:21 am
that means better seats for those of us who ARE renewing !!

Translation:

(http://www.monacaron.com/images/large/titanic-sinking.jpg)

All is well!  All is weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell!
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 01:03:05 am
Who gives a frick about the Lady Razorbacks?

I'll say it again: Beck Campbell would have to be a meddling parent in the first place to actually meddle.

She is not, and the people that are trumpeting those lies are as poor of excuses for human beings as those who began them.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: mack on January 18, 2007, 09:09:29 am
 


10 wins. Outright division championship. New Year's Day bowl game. Doak Walker Award winner. Heisman Trophy runner-up. Consensus All-American running back. Good slate of All-Sec players. SEC coach of the year. Record setting running back duo. I kind of like the state of our program right now. However, I realize that Nutt and Broyles haters don't agree. They wouldn't agree even if we had won the National Championship. If we didn't win it Malzahn and Mustain's way, it wouldn't have been pure.

If you don't have McFadden and Jones, you don't have any 10 win season or SEC coach of the year or all that other stuff.  When teams finally just committed to stopping the run Arkansas lost.  They were still competitive and pretty good but they still lost.  I don't care for Arkansas, Malzahn, Mustain, Williams, Nutt, Broyles, any of them.  My team is ASU, but I respected Arkansas before the way Robert Johnson was treated this year, and before all of this came out.  I've almost lost every amount of respect I had for UA.  I doubt you'll lose sleep over that, but the fact of the matter is that most neutral fans are losing respect, even some die-hard fans, and the rest of nation is laughing their butts off right now.

It is so tiresome to hear the same old merde about "if you don't have McFadden and Jones, you don't have 10 wins".  Do you realize how STUPID that statement is?  If Florida didn't have Leak and Harvin, if Texas hadn't had VY [get my drift?].  Fact is, we did and they did.  Both McFadden and Jones and the majority of the team [minus a couple of S'dale whiners] have come out in public to support of their SEC coach of the year. 

As far as your lack of respect for the UA program, who cares?  And as far as national laughing stock, well that is true, but not like you think.  Remember Nebraska and Solich?  Who was the laughing stock nationwide there?  Every nationwide sports show was ridiculing the Husker Nation for chasing off a coach who won 9 or 10 games.  It's more our fans that are being made fun of than the coach and AD.

Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Tarkus on January 18, 2007, 09:37:48 am
I'm glad he's gone too, but not for the same reasons the rest of you are. Everyone has been under a great deal of pressure in the last year or so. Nutt was under pressure to hire an OC and get the S'dale players to sign with the Razorbacks. The players were under pressure by both the media and the fans to become Razorbacks. They have all been under pressure to perform up to our expectations. A lot of us were very quick to jump on that bandwagon, and a lot more have been very quick to criticize and point fingers at the 'momma's boys'. Many of you keep bringing up the meeting with Broyles. You all think that you know exactly what that meeting was about. I submit to you that none of us was there, and no one in the Broyles Complex has said anything to indicate what it was all about. On the other hand, there are sources close to the families that have spoken. Granted, they are going to have at least a bit of a biased opinion, but they shouldn't be completely dismissed because of that. A significant number of people are still insisting that the meeting was about playing time and/or the offense. The above mentioned sources have indicated that it was not about those things at all. It was about the treatment of those freshmen by the coaching staff and the other players. It was also indicated that this was brought to Nutt's attention some time ago, and he did nothing about it. Whether or not you choose to believe this is up to you. I believe that there is at least something to it.

Here's a little something think about: Tier 1 schools - like USC, Florida, Ohio State, etc. - are used to having 4 and 5 star freshmen join the team every year. It is so common to them that fans, local media, returning players and coaches think very little about it. It's normal for them. It's not normal for Arkansas. Fans and the media became so excited when Malzahn and the S'dale players came here - they received a great deal of attention. Now, put yourself in the shoes of the returning players and coaches for a moment. You've been busting your butt for this program, and you find yourself watching these young hotshots getting way more attention than you ever got and being referred to by the media and fans and the 'saviors' of the program. Anyone who says that they wouldn't be at least a little bit resentful over it is a liar. That is a normal human reaction to such circumstances, and unless you make a conscious choice to not let it effect the way you treat those freshmen your resentment will have an effect. Don't misunderstand me - I'm not trying to blame the other players for what has happened. I'm saying that everyone made mistakes, including the media and we, the fans. And yes, as I said in another thread, the ultimate responsibility falls upon Nutt and Broyles as they are the ones at the top. They are the leaders of the program and they could have made better choices along the way.

As for Mustain leaving, maybe now he can focus on being a college QB instead of having to deal with a media circus and disgruntled fans.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: bdr on January 18, 2007, 10:09:12 am
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Well, the obvious one would be Robert Johnson, Weston Dacus, Olajabutu...these are guys that put the word TEAM into teammates.

Wanna talk loyalty...Marcus Monk....Skipped out on a possible 2nd round NFL Draft pick to stay at Arkansas. He has TEAM on his mind...I like that fact that the players that are a part of the program and are loyal to the Hog way of life called the press conference yesterday. That should give the fans something to be proud about.
Title: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 10:18:02 am
They spend $6000 on shoes trying to make his crying butt happy..yet according to his family..he was shown no attention and done so wrong.


There have been some claims that Mustain didn't have the proper equipment, but during the season, the school went above and beyond trying to accommodate Mustain's shoes needs.

Arkansas is one of the schools under contract to adidas, but Mustain couldn't find a shoe he liked and was comfortable with one produced by Nike. With adidas' blessing, the training staff worked to make the Nike shoe look as generic as possible.

After the Alabama game, adidas flew in a footwear specialist from Portland. He did a so-called sock fitting with an ultra-thin material that adheres to every little bump on a foot. Once that was done, the shape was shipped to Boston where all the rough spots were sanded. Eventually, the mold was sent to the Orient where the shoes are constructed. Adidas sent Arkansas about 10 pairs of the shoes but, after a while, Mustain was back wearing Nike, something he donned for the Capital One Bowl.

Adidas billed Arkansas a little more than $6,000 for the shoes.
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2007/01/18/HarryKing/339673.html
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Arkansaw870 on January 18, 2007, 10:19:43 am
Im glad they are gone. The hogs will be better without them. plus what did they do anyway.  That wildcat formation was the same formation used when matt jones was the QB.  So what wa so different about the offense.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: stina_ar on January 18, 2007, 10:23:08 am
That's great.
I needed a good laugh this morning.
I thought girls were supposed to be the ones with the shoe fetish..??
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 10:27:19 am
It is true that Nutt tried to talk Mustain out of pursuing his release. "I told him he needed to stay for three months, what's that going to hurt," Nutt said. "What's the hurry?"

He probably thought that Mustain would succeed in spring practice and that all would be fine. Instead, Mustain's mother pushed for the release and 30 minutes later, it was done.


Boy needs to let his balls drop and stand for himself.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: invictus on January 18, 2007, 10:31:02 am
That's great.
I needed a good laugh this morning.
I thought girls were supposed to be the ones with the shoe fetish..??

Maybe his first name is Imelda!
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 10:41:24 am
People were right..the REAL story is coming out...and honestly..I think Mustains family hurt him and this program more than anyone..it has been reported that Mitch was hacked when his Granny went on air..and I hope he was..if he truly was.I respect him more...but he is a grown man now..he needs to stand up and be a man and quit letting mommy run his life.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: R. A.™ on January 18, 2007, 10:41:29 am
I couldn't find anything on the accusations, but i did find the following, i thought it was interesting


11.4.1.1 Contract for Future Employment
A member institution is permitted to enter into a contractual agreement with a high school, preparatory school or two-year college coach for an employment opportunity that begins with the next academic year, provided the employment contract with the member institution is not contingent upon the enrollment of a prospective student-athlete and the coach does not begin any coaching duties (e.g., recruiting, selection of coaching staff) for the member institution while remaining associated with the high school.

Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: stina_ar on January 18, 2007, 10:47:40 am

Boy needs to let his balls drop and stand for himself.


amen


Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 18, 2007, 10:53:46 am
I feel bad that the rest of the guys on the team have to be in the middle of all that drama.  I hope they're not as divided as the Razorback fan base.  From the way it sounds, they are all on the same page, which is the one and most important bright spot in this situation.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 18, 2007, 10:56:48 am
After reading this, I say good riddance.  No sane athlete thinks Nike is more comfortable than Adidas.  That's just crazy talk.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 18, 2007, 11:00:03 am
I couldn't find anything on the accusations, but i did find the following, i thought it was interesting


11.4.1.1 Contract for Future Employment
A member institution is permitted to enter into a contractual agreement with a high school, preparatory school or two-year college coach for an employment opportunity that begins with the next academic year, provided the employment contract with the member institution is not contingent upon the enrollment of a prospective student-athlete and the coach does not begin any coaching duties (e.g., recruiting, selection of coaching staff) for the member institution while remaining associated with the high school.

So it was Arkansas who violated NCAA rules?
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: chilly gilly on January 18, 2007, 11:08:50 am
Preach!
After reading this, I say good riddance.  No sane athlete thinks Nike is more comfortable than Adidas.  That's just crazy talk.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: chilly gilly on January 18, 2007, 11:19:34 am
Thats what Im Talkin 'bout P.I. ;D
that means better seats for those of us who ARE renewing !!

Translation:

(http://www.monacaron.com/images/large/titanic-sinking.jpg)

All is well!  All is weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell!
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: rebelpride on January 18, 2007, 11:25:15 am
whats ya'lls predictions on how this season will look?
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: humbleme on January 18, 2007, 11:30:35 am
Is that a CHAMPION...SHIP?  That is what next year will be, wait and see.  SEC Champs next year for the HOGS.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 18, 2007, 11:42:20 am
Is that a CHAMPION...SHIP?  That is what next year will be, wait and see.  SEC Champs next year for the HOGS.
Pretty optimistic.  Have you gone to rivals.com or any of the other recruitng sites.  Look at the score given for recruiting talent to the teams in the SEC you'll have to beat to get there.  They are reloading and the hogs are trying to figure out how to stay out of the press.  I say 8 wins and the Music City bowl.  They lose to Alabama, Tenn, LSU and Auburn.       
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: humbleme on January 18, 2007, 11:43:28 am
The team on the whole will have better unity after this mess.  They will bond in special ways that people do during trying times.  I predict this team next year will be a true team with little distractions besides the normal DUI's and Drug infractions.  I mean, even the Democrats and Republicans bonded after 911 and that trying time, so this team will mesh next year and be awesome.  One fact remains...we need a QB that will step up and get the job done.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 11:44:51 am
I'm pretty sure that WV's recruiting classes don't even crack the top 40 yet they are able to go out and play/beat anyone. Don't get so caught up in the recruiting numbers that you think if you are ranked 8th that is where you are going to finish. Sometimes you find good players that don't get ranked high and they turn out to be studs. Jamaal Anderson is a perfect example. He was a 2* guy coming out of high school. Think he would be ranked higher now?
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 18, 2007, 11:45:57 am
I couldn't find anything on the accusations, but i did find the following, i thought it was interesting


11.4.1.1 Contract for Future Employment
A member institution is permitted to enter into a contractual agreement with a high school, preparatory school or two-year college coach for an employment opportunity that begins with the next academic year, provided the employment contract with the member institution is not contingent upon the enrollment of a prospective student-athlete and the coach does not begin any coaching duties (e.g., recruiting, selection of coaching staff) for the member institution while remaining associated with the high school.

So it was Arkansas who violated NCAA rules?
Sounds like it to me.  This feels like a 5 semi truck investigation for 4 years.  Park the trucks right by the stadium.  That should do it.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: humbleme on January 18, 2007, 11:47:23 am
They will beat Alabama and LSU next year.  Tenn. and Auburn could be our two losses.  We will see, but yes, I am optimistic for this team next year.  As a matter of fact I AM EXCITED about this team next year.  We do need one good lineman on both sides of the ball and an above average QB.  Oh yea, one linebacker and one cover corner is a necessity.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 12:16:19 pm
I'm now thinking about ordering tickets for next year. At least I won't be stuck in the endzone.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 01:18:59 pm
Interesting that not many are talking now that some truths are coming out about Mustain.....
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: dc24 on January 18, 2007, 01:21:55 pm
 


10 wins. Outright division championship. New Year's Day bowl game. Doak Walker Award winner. Heisman Trophy runner-up. Consensus All-American running back. Good slate of All-Sec players. SEC coach of the year. Record setting running back duo. I kind of like the state of our program right now. However, I realize that Nutt and Broyles haters don't agree. They wouldn't agree even if we had won the National Championship. If we didn't win it Malzahn and Mustain's way, it wouldn't have been pure.

If you don't have McFadden and Jones, you don't have any 10 win season or SEC coach of the year or all that other stuff.  When teams finally just committed to stopping the run Arkansas lost.  They were still competitive and pretty good but they still lost.  I don't care for Arkansas, Malzahn, Mustain, Williams, Nutt, Broyles, any of them.  My team is ASU, but I respected Arkansas before the way Robert Johnson was treated this year, and before all of this came out.  I've almost lost every amount of respect I had for UA.  I doubt you'll lose sleep over that, but the fact of the matter is that most neutral fans are losing respect, even some die-hard fans, and the rest of nation is laughing their butts off right now.

It is so tiresome to hear the same old merde about "if you don't have McFadden and Jones, you don't have 10 wins".  Do you realize how STUPID that statement is?  If Florida didn't have Leak and Harvin, if Texas hadn't had VY [get my drift?].  Fact is, we did and they did.  Both McFadden and Jones and the majority of the team [minus a couple of S'dale whiners] have come out in public to support of their SEC coach of the year. 

As far as your lack of respect for the UA program, who cares?  And as far as national laughing stock, well that is true, but not like you think.  Remember Nebraska and Solich?  Who was the laughing stock nationwide there?  Every nationwide sports show was ridiculing the Husker Nation for chasing off a coach who won 9 or 10 games.  It's more our fans that are being made fun of than the coach and AD.



Well, you make a good point, but my point was that if you just had Nutt as your coach, he couldn't coach you to winning 10 games without McFadden and Jones.  Florida and Texas still would've won 10 games both year I bet because of coaching and talent in the other positions.  They probably wouldn't have won NC's but who knows?  Good coaches can take average teams to heights they never thought possible.  This team had two superior players, well three if you count Anderson, and a bunch of good/above average players.  The point is that Nutt wouldn't have won 10 games without McFadden/Jones because of his subpar coaching ability, but that a good coach could have got 10 wins, possibly more out of this bunch without McFadden/Jones.  I hope you understand that.

As for Nebraska, I've always hated the school, and I don't care what they do.  I'm not saying fire Nutt now after 10 wins, but the fact is that it should have already happened.  Oh and of course most of the players are going to say they like Nutt.  They may actually like him, but do you think that anyone in their right mind would come out and say they don't like him with all the stuff happening right now?
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: invictus on January 18, 2007, 01:37:41 pm
whats ya'lls predictions on how this season will look?

I think 10 wins are another good possibility, especially with the softer schedule. However, Ole Miss and MSU will be better this year and Kentucky replaces Vanderbilt and they should be good next year. To me, the keys will be the road trips to Alabama, LSU and Tennessee. We need to win 2 of those and that will be tough. If Lee can develop a QB, then we will be good. If Dick or some newcomer doesn't develop, that box could get pretty stacked for McFadden and Jones. Maybe the best thing is Hillis coming back. He really helps with the short passing game. Many have blamed the last three losses on a lot of things, but the absence of Hillis really hurt. I say 10-2 regular season but not likely good enough to get to the championship game. Then, it will be Dallas on New Year's Day.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: Chief_Osceola™ on January 18, 2007, 01:44:50 pm
Interesting that not many are talking now that some truths are coming out about Mustain.....

Two thoughts:

1.)  Of course the hometown writers in Fayetteville are going to cast a negative light on Mustain.  Most won't dare report on the bad things the administration and present coaching staff has done.  There are people up there who have the power to run these guys out of town if they criticize the program.  Look at the Joe Kleine situation for an example.  I'm not condoning anything Mitch has said or done, especially if this story is true, but the spin from NWA will always favor the administration.

2.)  It doesn't lessen the scope of the bad things done by the administration and coaching staff.  Part of the problem has been remedied with what many perceive to be the 'whiners' leaving the program, but the other half is still there.  The same people praising Houston now will be calling for his head if Arkansas wins less than 9-10 games next year. 

Anything bad Mustain did or said in the past is just that - in the past.  He is no longer a member of the Razorbacks, and if fans want to look forward and put this behind them, they should leave past things that way.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: stina_ar on January 18, 2007, 01:47:47 pm
All I know is that the boys have said that they "feel more like a team" and "undivided" now. They know that the boys that "are out now are out to play and not to be watching out for only themselves, but for the team as a whole".
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: mack on January 18, 2007, 01:51:49 pm
 


10 wins. Outright division championship. New Year's Day bowl game. Doak Walker Award winner. Heisman Trophy runner-up. Consensus All-American running back. Good slate of All-Sec players. SEC coach of the year. Record setting running back duo. I kind of like the state of our program right now. However, I realize that Nutt and Broyles haters don't agree. They wouldn't agree even if we had won the National Championship. If we didn't win it Malzahn and Mustain's way, it wouldn't have been pure.

If you don't have McFadden and Jones, you don't have any 10 win season or SEC coach of the year or all that other stuff.  When teams finally just committed to stopping the run Arkansas lost.  They were still competitive and pretty good but they still lost.  I don't care for Arkansas, Malzahn, Mustain, Williams, Nutt, Broyles, any of them.  My team is ASU, but I respected Arkansas before the way Robert Johnson was treated this year, and before all of this came out.  I've almost lost every amount of respect I had for UA.  I doubt you'll lose sleep over that, but the fact of the matter is that most neutral fans are losing respect, even some die-hard fans, and the rest of nation is laughing their butts off right now.

It is so tiresome to hear the same old merde about "if you don't have McFadden and Jones, you don't have 10 wins".  Do you realize how STUPID that statement is?  If Florida didn't have Leak and Harvin, if Texas hadn't had VY [get my drift?].  Fact is, we did and they did.  Both McFadden and Jones and the majority of the team [minus a couple of S'dale whiners] have come out in public to support of their SEC coach of the year. 

As far as your lack of respect for the UA program, who cares?  And as far as national laughing stock, well that is true, but not like you think.  Remember Nebraska and Solich?  Who was the laughing stock nationwide there?  Every nationwide sports show was ridiculing the Husker Nation for chasing off a coach who won 9 or 10 games.  It's more our fans that are being made fun of than the coach and AD.



Well, you make a good point, but my point was that if you just had Nutt as your coach, he couldn't coach you to winning 10 games without McFadden and Jones.  Florida and Texas still would've won 10 games both year I bet because of coaching and talent in the other positions.  They probably wouldn't have won NC's but who knows?  Good coaches can take average teams to heights they never thought possible.  This team had two superior players, well three if you count Anderson, and a bunch of good/above average players.  The point is that Nutt wouldn't have won 10 games without McFadden/Jones because of his subpar coaching ability, but that a good coach could have got 10 wins, possibly more out of this bunch without McFadden/Jones.  I hope you understand that.

As for Nebraska, I've always hated the school, and I don't care what they do.  I'm not saying fire Nutt now after 10 wins, but the fact is that it should have already happened.  Oh and of course most of the players are going to say they like Nutt.  They may actually like him, but do you think that anyone in their right mind would come out and say they don't like him with all the stuff happening right now?

We are not that far apart.  He should have been gone already. Granted, if he did not have Felix and D-Mac, we don't win 6 games, and he would be gone already.  I'm not sure that another coach would have won 10 games without them either, but that's ok.  I would like to say that after next year it will all work itself outwhen he goes back to winning 5 or 6 and is forced out.  Unfortunately, he must have naked pictures of FB, because sanctions[earlier] or not, he did not merit extensions, and he's still here.  IMO, an 8-9 win season is the only way he should not be canned next year.  Our program would look even more foolish than it does right now if we fire a coach who just won 10 games and was named coach of the year.

My foolish wish is that we put all this behind us, win 8- 10 games the next 4 years in a row with a NC in there somewhere.  Also that we can again start to look with pride at our program.  I also would like to see both UA and ASU in significant bowls at the same time.  How cool that would be.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2007, 02:12:17 pm
It is amazing how you give credit to everyone and everything but Nutt.  IF he didn't have Mc and Jones, Mustain was 8-0, Gus called all the good plays.  What a bunch of junk.   We had the players recruited by Nutt and his staff, the really good ones before Gus got here.  8-0 for MM, but not against but one winning team, but still he's great.  Gus didn't run the offense, he didn't call the plays, the head coach and offensive staff helped to make out a game plan and call sheet, but Gus called and designed every good play the Hogs ever ran. I suppose that is what has happened for 9 years.  All seems unbelievable to me.

Now I hear David Lee's interview,  "Houston and I had a long discussion, we defined the roll of the Offensive Coordinator.  I'll be responsible for developing the offensive game plan with the help of the offensive staff, I'll call all the plays and Houston's job will be to manage the game."   
Sort of paraphrased.
To me managing the game means he has input at game time and possibly any other time.  He should, he should know what is going on with his team.  Managing means if he things something is right or wrong he can say, hey coach, lets run it more off tackle that appears to be working, or there appears to be a weakness in their secondary alignment, lets attack that zone.  So he would still have input.  Ssounds to me the way every program I have ever heard of or been around runs itself.

But HDN is wrong for doing it.  Wrong for putting some possible constraits on an OC who had never called a play in college ball much less the SEC.  Use a QB who hadn't taken a college snap and let him throw it 30-35 times a game.  Doesn't seem smart, especially in light of the stats the guy had.

Maybe it's just me, and I'm not a great Nutt fan, but the facts just don't add up. 

Nutt gets no credit for 10 wins, the blame for the losses.  Yet, MM gets credit for beating 6 teams with losing records in which he contributed next to nothing except handing the ball to McFadden and JOnes.  I quess he just inspires those guys.   
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: invictus on January 18, 2007, 02:22:37 pm

Now I hear David Lee's interview,  "Houston and I had a long discussion, we defined the roll of the Offensive Coordinator.  I'll be responsible for developing the offensive game plan with the help of the offensive staff, I'll call all the plays and Houston's job will be to manage the game."   
Sort of paraphrased.
To me managing the game means he has input at game time and possibly any other time.  He should, he should know what is going on with his team.  Managing means if he things something is right or wrong he can say, hey coach, lets run it more off tackle that appears to be working, or there appears to be a weakness in their secondary alignment, lets attack that zone.  So he would still have input.  Ssounds to me the way every program I have ever heard of or been around runs itself.


This is almost exactly what the Texas OC said on Drive Time the other night. His offense won a national title a year ago and even he defers to the head coach and other offensive staff member in not only drawing up but in executing the game plan. Sounds like what Lee described was the norm. But, we have to remember that in HS, Malzahn was used to total control. He was the boss. Maybe he mistakenly thought it would be like that in college and found out it wasn't that way after all. That doesn't mean that anyone lied. It could be a case of both guys (Nutt and Malzahn) not being on the same page in thinking how things were going to work. Also, let's remember that this was a big change for Nutt since he had called the plays all of his career. Change takes time. I think that neither party was wrong. They just couldn't work out their philosophical differences and went their seperate ways. Both, to me, seemed to do it with class. You didn't hear Gus bashing Nutt and/or Broyles and you didn't hear Nutt and/or Broyles bash Malzahn. As a matter of fact, all of the interviews I saw from any of them were complimentary. Why do we have a hard time accepting that?
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2007, 02:23:25 pm
You really think the 3 state championships won at Shiloh against 2AA teams was not with superior talent?  Silly boy.  all the post on here of the players off those teams that went on to colleges.  Find another 2AA team with that same list of college players.  At Springdale, he won a championship in what 4 years I think.  Good, but everyone has gone on adn on about the fab 5 and how many others from that group of underclassmen will get scholarships this year.  Superior talent.  The years he didn't like, the loss to LRC, the general concensus is NLR had superior talent that year. 
So yeah superior talent.  Not that he wasn't a smart enough coache to make the most of it, I mean he wasn't trying to runt the power I or something. 
I've seen his book and the video's, nothing in those that are particularly earth shattering or brand new.  Just a good basic explanation of some common route concepts and his explanation of how to run the no huddle and why.  Good but basic.  There are a lot of people out there that run no huddle, like the NFL for instance, I don't think they got it from Gus. 
Don't blow the guy out of proportion until he proves himself in college.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2007, 02:27:53 pm
Pretty good post there invictus.  Malzahn practically never had to serve as an assistant in his career so maybe he had unreasonable expectations based on lack of experience in that position.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: invictus on January 18, 2007, 02:33:43 pm
Pretty good post there invictus.  Malzahn practically never had to serve as an assistant in his career so maybe he had unreasonable expectations based on lack of experience in that position.

It's hard for anyone to go from being the boss to something less. That's true for many, many professions. I've been there in mine. It's a big adjustment.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: mack on January 18, 2007, 02:39:24 pm

Now I hear David Lee's interview,  "Houston and I had a long discussion, we defined the roll of the Offensive Coordinator.  I'll be responsible for developing the offensive game plan with the help of the offensive staff, I'll call all the plays and Houston's job will be to manage the game."   
Sort of paraphrased.
To me managing the game means he has input at game time and possibly any other time.  He should, he should know what is going on with his team.  Managing means if he things something is right or wrong he can say, hey coach, lets run it more off tackle that appears to be working, or there appears to be a weakness in their secondary alignment, lets attack that zone.  So he would still have input.  Ssounds to me the way every program I have ever heard of or been around runs itself.


This is almost exactly what the Texas OC said on Drive Time the other night. His offense won a national title a year ago and even he defers to the head coach and other offensive staff member in not only drawing up but in executing the game plan. Sounds like what Lee described was the norm. But, we have to remember that in HS, Malzahn was used to total control. He was the boss. Maybe he mistakenly thought it would be like that in college and found out it wasn't that way after all. That doesn't mean that anyone lied. It could be a case of both guys (Nutt and Malzahn) not being on the same page in thinking how things were going to work. Also, let's remember that this was a big change for Nutt since he had called the plays all of his career. Change takes time. I think that neither party was wrong. They just couldn't work out their philosophical differences and went their seperate ways. Both, to me, seemed to do it with class. You didn't hear Gus bashing Nutt and/or Broyles and you didn't hear Nutt and/or Broyles bash Malzahn. As a matter of fact, all of the interviews I saw from any of them were complimentary. Why do we have a hard time accepting that?

Both excellent posts.  Unfortunately, IMO, HDN has gotten to "no way I can win" status with a large number of fans.  The building of our 10 win team has to be credited to him, his staff and players.  Those that say 'if you didn't have D-Mac and Felix, no 10 wins" just don't get it.  I'm not a Hugger or a Hater.  I just think his effectiveness/ credibility has taken a huge hit whether deserved or not.  That is why I personally wish he would take another job, and let all have a fresh start.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: humbleme on January 18, 2007, 02:59:05 pm
Not good logic by me but I figured LSU will be without Russell and they beat us at home this year so we owe them one!  Ha!  TN at home is VERY tough, as is LSU at home, but we owe one to LSU and TN owes us one!
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2007, 03:01:04 pm
Nutt really doesn't seemed to have done anything to warrant losing his job.  Yeah two bad seasons, but followed up by a national ranking, West Div. champs play for the SEC title, have the Heisman runner up, 10 wins.  If someone would have said that would happen 9 years ago with Nutt the fans would have been proud to get it.  Now because they do not like him personally, of course most have never met him, they want him gone.  The sympathy for a group, small group, of high school players and their coach is admirable but misplaced.   You simply don't give the praise and accolades to people until they earn them.  The minute those folks became college level particpants the stakes changed.  If is always a question of what have you done lately i athletics.  The Springdale crew just didn't do anything impressive this year.  Maybe they might have if they had stayed, but they chose not to because their egos were bruised.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: sportscaster on January 18, 2007, 03:02:47 pm
I think we lose to Tenner and play close games with LSU and Auburn but end the regualer season with one loss and still ranked out of the top ten before the SEC championship game against Florida which we win and it causes a BCS controversy. Or we could lose 5 games. Either way Houston is done because he moves on to another school after a top 5 finish and gets out of the craziness. Or with 5 losses and no SEC championship, he is fired.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: ARKANSAS on January 18, 2007, 03:03:14 pm
I'm pretty sure that WV's recruiting classes don't even crack the top 40 yet they are able to go out and play/beat anyone. Don't get so caught up in the recruiting numbers that you think if you are ranked 8th that is where you are going to finish. Sometimes you find good players that don't get ranked high and they turn out to be studs. Jamaal Anderson is a perfect example. He was a 2* guy coming out of high school. Think he would be ranked higher now?
They have a good coach and a system...  We have... Well you know.  Most teams get the best of their talent.  We're having trouble organizing the talent out of our best.     
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: gatecrasher on January 18, 2007, 03:07:02 pm
Is that a CHAMPION...SHIP?  That is what next year will be, wait and see.  SEC Champs next year for the HOGS.
Pretty optimistic.  Have you gone to rivals.com or any of the other recruitng sites.  Look at the score given for recruiting talent to the teams in the SEC you'll have to beat to get there.  They are reloading and the hogs are trying to figure out how to stay out of the press.  I say 8 wins and the Music City bowl.  They lose to Alabama, Tenn, LSU and Auburn.      
Why don't we wait and see how this pans out before we make predictions on wins and losses?
Personally, right now, to me, an SEC championship is only a freakin DREAM!!  They may win 8 based on the efforts of McFadden and Jones, plus 4 gimmes in non-conference.  That would mean 2007 goes down as extreme failure. 
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: gatecrasher on January 18, 2007, 03:08:12 pm
Not good logic by me but I figured LSU will be without Russell and they beat us at home this year so we owe them one!  Ha!  TN at home is VERY tough, as is LSU at home, but we owe one to LSU and TN owes us one!
Matt Flynn will prove every bit as good as Russell.  Count on it.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2007, 03:08:58 pm
SCS, you sometimes appear to be fairly bright and kind of in the know, but your bias for all things ever connected to Shiloh and Gus blur you vision.  Just stop and take a good look at what has happened at UA this year, the overall big picture over the past 9 years and think about how many schools would really be firing a coach in Nutts position.  Nutt may not be a great coach, but he is a proven winner at the college level, like it or not.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: dc24 on January 18, 2007, 03:12:07 pm
Nutt really doesn't seemed to have done anything to warrant losing his job.  Yeah two bad seasons, but followed up by a national ranking, West Div. champs play for the SEC title, have the Heisman runner up, 10 wins.  If someone would have said that would happen 9 years ago with Nutt the fans would have been proud to get it.  Now because they do not like him personally, of course most have never met him, they want him gone.  The sympathy for a group, small group, of high school players and their coach is admirable but misplaced.   You simply don't give the praise and accolades to people until they earn them.  The minute those folks became college level particpants the stakes changed.  If is always a question of what have you done lately i athletics.  The Springdale crew just didn't do anything impressive this year.  Maybe they might have if they had stayed, but they chose not to because their egos were bruised.

I'm not an Arkansas fan, everything I say about the program is completely unbiased and I would have been singing this song too about Nutt before all of this stuff happened.  But with that being said, he has no control of the program right now.  Also I think people may be misjudging the Springdale kids which most of you have probably never met.  I think Mitch's mom needs to stay out of it, but its completely ludicrous to hire an OC, only to tell him later that "experts" say his offense won't work in the SEC.  That's BS.  Also Damian Williams reasons for transferring aren't all about football.  It was Cleveland's dad that made the "60 catches a year" statement, not Williams or Cleveland himself.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: couch potato on January 18, 2007, 03:12:09 pm
why bother with season tickets.  You can go to any game and get good seats for far less than face value with no juice being paid to the foundation.  what a great deal.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: gatecrasher on January 18, 2007, 03:12:39 pm
SCS, you sometimes appear to be fairly bright and kind of in the know, but your bias for all things ever connected to Shiloh and Gus blur you vision.  Just stop and take a good look at what has happened at UA this year, the overall big picture over the past 9 years and think about how many schools would really be firing a coach in Nutts position.  Nutt may not be a great coach, but he is a proven winner at the college level, like it or not.
A proven winner with not a SEC title or a BCS bowl appearance. 
Want to know what the standard needs to be around here?
Ask Frank Solich or Larry Coker.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: mack on January 18, 2007, 03:21:36 pm
why bother with season tickets.  You can go to any game and get good seats for far less than face value with no juice being paid to the foundation.  what a great deal.

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Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2007, 03:22:14 pm
How many coaches out there don't have a conference title?  How many programs have the type of history that Nebraska had and Solich and Coker walked into, not Arkansas.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: gatecrasher on January 18, 2007, 03:27:25 pm
How many coaches out there don't have a conference title?  How many programs have the type of history that Nebraska had and Solich and Coker walked into, not Arkansas.
It's time for this program to go to the next level...no more Independence Bowl titles and embarassing bowl losses to second-tier Big 10 pantywaists.
It's time for this program to get, at the very least, an SEC championship and BCS bowl invite.
HDN has had 10 years to do that and he has now managed to turn things on the Hill into a real-life ABC soap opera.
You can be satisfied with average mediocrity.  I'm not, and never will be.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2007, 03:30:04 pm
The sins of the father, or mother.  There have been enought statements attributed tot he players to warrant a case against them for poor judgement.  Comments to reporters, in the press, on tv and books.  That a wise person would not make in public.  Their ego was simply too large, nobody including their parents or their ex-coach seems to have kept them grounded or humble. 

Hiring an OC was forced on HDN, that is pretty obvious, and you don't know what exactly was said.  I'll bet he was never given a blank check so to speak.  No staff witht the years of experience the UA staff has would turn it all over, lock stock and barrell to a novice coach.  At the least Gus is gullible.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2007, 03:32:15 pm
It's nice to dream isn't it.  At some point UA fans need to accept reality.  HOw many major programs in America win a title every 10 years or go to a BCS every couple of years, few.     Arkansas will be about what it is, always.  This year was good, they may occassionally get beyond that but not consistantly.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: mack on January 18, 2007, 03:36:40 pm
 But, we have to remember that in HS, Malzahn was used to total control. He was the boss. Maybe he mistakenly thought it would be like that in college and found out it wasn't that way after all. That doesn't mean that anyone lied. It could be a case of both guys (Nutt and Malzahn) not being on the same page in thinking how things were going to work. Also, let's remember that this was a big change for Nutt since he had called the plays all of his career. Change takes time. I think that neither party was wrong. They just couldn't work out their philosophical differences and went their seperate ways. Both, to me, seemed to do it with class. You didn't hear Gus bashing Nutt and/or Broyles and you didn't hear Nutt and/or Broyles bash Malzahn. As a matter of fact, all of the interviews I saw from any of them were complimentary. Why do we have a hard time accepting that?
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When I first read this, it made sense.  After re-reading it , I felt that even more.  I think Malzahn is an honorable guy from all accounts, but the situation just did not turn out like he expected it to.  He has an ego just like any other coach, and it needed to be fed not just by appearances but by substance.  He obviously will get that at Tulsa.  I still think that it is a huge gamble for him, but large egos aren't afraid of that.  Next year with D-Mac, Felix and Monk he would again have had an OC's dream at the skill positions.  Every team we play will start with 8 up close.  If[big if] CD can get his groove on, we could light it up.  That's what he could have been a part of.  Now he takes a gamble at Tulsa, with nowhere near the talent coming back to work with.  He must have been very unhappy, but he handled it with class.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2007, 03:42:26 pm
How about some play action of first down on a regular basis, some 2nd and short shots down the field when you have a down to waste, and some combination routes where we actually try to read a defenders assignment before deciding where to throw.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: mack on January 18, 2007, 03:46:16 pm
How about some play action of first down on a regular basis, some 2nd and short shots down the field when you have a down to waste, and some combination routes where we actually try to read a defenders assignment before deciding where to throw.

Hopefully Mr. Lee can effect this type of philosophy. [and HDN lets him]
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: athletic supporter on January 18, 2007, 03:47:25 pm
How many coaches out there don't have a conference title?  How many programs have the type of history that Nebraska had and Solich and Coker walked into, not Arkansas.
It's time for this program to go to the next level...no more Independence Bowl titles and embarassing bowl losses to second-tier Big 10 pantywaists.It's time for this program to get, at the very least, an SEC championship and BCS bowl invite.
HDN has had 10 years to do that and he has now managed to turn things on the Hill into a real-life ABC soap opera.
You can be satisfied with average mediocrity.  I'm not, and never will be.


How many second-tier Big 10 pantywaist teams have we lost bowl games to? I can only think of one that you could label"second-tier". That would be the Minnesota team that beat us in the Music City Bowl, and if I'm correct most of you Cowboy fans seem to think that one of their running backs that year hung the moon now. ::)
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2007, 03:51:01 pm
There is not problem with high expectations but be sure you have the parts to the puzzle in place.  A compatible staff is a must.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2007, 03:52:52 pm
Hey I have that type of philosophy, maybe I ought to apply.  I can make dumb calls, cry about not running my offense and leave to another DI job where I make $150,000 or more.  Seems like a dream job.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: mack on January 18, 2007, 04:07:26 pm
Hey I have that type of philosophy, maybe I ought to apply.  I can make dumb calls, cry about not running my offense and leave to another DI job where I make $150,000 or more.  Seems like a dream job.

If you can get that across to Dale, I say you are the man for the job!
Title: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 04:44:43 pm
In a statement released Thursday afternoon to CardinalSports.com, Louisville coach Steve Kragthorpe responded to the Mitch Mustain rumors.

"Due to widespread media speculation, the University of Louisville is not interested in recruiting Mitch Mustain," Kragthorpe's statement read.

http://louisville.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=631294
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: RGP on January 18, 2007, 04:58:46 pm
Who would want him and his mother? Now his Grandmother is involved...
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 05:15:10 pm
Im hearing Oklahoma turned him down as well...waiting on confirmation on that one.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: gatecrasher on January 18, 2007, 05:23:29 pm
How many coaches out there don't have a conference title?  How many programs have the type of history that Nebraska had and Solich and Coker walked into, not Arkansas.
It's time for this program to go to the next level...no more Independence Bowl titles and embarassing bowl losses to second-tier Big 10 pantywaists.It's time for this program to get, at the very least, an SEC championship and BCS bowl invite.
HDN has had 10 years to do that and he has now managed to turn things on the Hill into a real-life ABC soap opera.
You can be satisfied with average mediocrity.  I'm not, and never will be.


How many second-tier Big 10 pantywaist teams have we lost bowl games to? I can only think of one that you could label"second-tier". That would be the Minnesota team that beat us in the Music City Bowl, and if I'm correct most of you Cowboy fans seem to think that one of their running backs that year hung the moon now. ::)
Actually that's the one....the Minnesota debacle, and while I'm at it throw that UNLV bunch in there with it.
As for Wisconsin, don't you think with BETTER COACHING, we would have beat them?  I won't believe for one second that that team is better than we are.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 05:35:10 pm
People were right..the REAL story is coming out

The REAL story has been out for quite some time.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 05:36:07 pm
All I know is that the boys have said that they "feel more like a team" and "undivided" now. They know that the boys that "are out now are out to play and not to be watching out for only themselves, but for the team as a whole".
I have great respect for the players who are standing up for the program during this trying time.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: mudturtle on January 18, 2007, 05:40:02 pm
What a shame he isn't coming back.  It would be great for 20,000 fans to take an extra set of sneakers to the game and drop them on the turf.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 05:46:29 pm
Never mind that they ignored Mustain for quite some time in the first place over the shoes.  There was another equipment issue that they paid him no attention to, either, until some complaining and heck-raising was done.

But hey, who cares about the truth?  It's all about the perception, and the perception is that Mustain's a spoiled brat.

He's not, but nobody cares about what the facts are anymore.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 05:48:44 pm
Never mind that they ignored Mustain for quite some time in the first place over the shoes.  There was another equipment issue that they paid him no attention to, either, until some complaining and heck-raising was done.

But hey, who cares about the truth?  It's all about the perception, and the perception is that Mustain's a spoiled brat.

He's not, but nobody cares about what the facts are anymore.

You talking about the Shoulder Pad issue?
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 05:49:19 pm
I hate it for him.  Poor kid's been unfairly destroyed by a well-oiled slander machine.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 05:50:34 pm
I hate it for him.  Poor kid's been unfairly destroyed by a well-oiled slander machine.

His mother?
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 05:51:32 pm
You talking about the Shoulder Pad issue?

Yes, and if your info on it comes from arsportstalk, then you need to get better sources.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2007, 05:53:13 pm
Not necessarily.  Better coaching than what.  Gus calling plays. 4th and 1 to Petrus?  Missed field goal, dropped pass in 3rd down situation.  Sometimes players need to make plays.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 05:53:27 pm
His mother?

Egregiously false.

People like Chuck, Clay, Rick, Otis, Cain, Holt...and people like you who repeat the lies.
Title: Re: Mitch will end up at ?
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 05:54:08 pm
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but manages to win 7 games in a row, (including over Alabama, Auburn, and Ole Miss), then throws an interception in the first series of his 8th start at the college level, and gets yanked because the Head Coach feel that they need some one with more experience

I was going to say something about that section, but rsvl got to it before I could.

Best of luck to Mitch wherever he goes.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 05:55:42 pm
His mother?

Egregiously false.

People like Chuck, Clay, Rick, Otis, Cain, Holt...and people like you who repeat the lies.

Lies? How come Mustain got hacked at his Grandma for saying what she said in the interview to Bo Mattingly and on ESPN?How come it has been Mitch's mother raising all of the heck and making him look like a big cry baby...Have you seen what people around the nation are saying about Mitch? They all see him as a crybaby..and now 2 schools have turned him down because of that perception and what his mother has done..Louisville and Oklahoma.

Beck Campbell has already ruined her son.Sure he will end up somewhere..but the perception is that he is a crybaby mommas boy..and teams dont want him.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 05:56:24 pm
I think it's freaking hilarious that you would throw Rick in that list Justin.

Like it or not, the whole thing about his mom and several other parents is widely known around the country. It isn't because people listened to 103.7 all day long either. When your mom has a press release end up on ESPN, I don't see how it is radio people's fault for anything that has happened. But, you like to put blame where it doesn't fall so it doesn't suprise me. I am suprised you didn't blame Nutt for all of this.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 05:56:50 pm
You talking about the Shoulder Pad issue?

Yes, and if your info on it comes from arsportstalk, then you need to get better sources.

ArSportTalk is much better than some places...I find it humerous that Mike Irwin was just on the radio saying Mitch may be going to Louisville after this semester and Louisville makes a statement saying they dont want him....
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: 6aaafan on January 18, 2007, 05:59:32 pm
His mother?

Egregiously false.

People like Chuck, Clay, Rick, Otis, Cain, Holt...and people like you who repeat the lies.

I think everyone involved in this entire things is to blame. Mitch should be blamed just as much as anyone else. That's not to say that others aren't responsible but I feel that Mitch brought some of this on to himself.
Title: Re: My Point of View: The Razorback Saga
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 05:59:47 pm
I will call bullsheet on those that say you would happily take 5 years of losing to get the program better. All of you would be on here bitching saying things need to change after 3 or 4 straight years or finished with a sub .500 record and you all know it.
Title: Re: The all Gus thread. Anything and everything Gus goes here
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2007, 06:00:44 pm
Hey Houston, email me.  I understand the bosses role and the role of the OC, and how to throw on 1st down, 2nd down and try to stay out of 3rd and long.  I also know it ain't what the coaches know it's what they can teach to the players.  This years system didn't seem to catch on very well.
Title: Re: I'm Holding All You To Your Word ...
Post by: gatecrasher on January 18, 2007, 06:01:58 pm
Not necessarily.  Better coaching than what.  Gus calling plays. 4th and 1 to Petrus?  Missed field goal, dropped pass in 3rd down situation.  Sometimes players need to make plays.
Are you that naive??
Do you really think Gus Malzhan was calling the plays those last three ballgames??
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 06:04:04 pm
So what other excused are we going to give MM for his poor performances this past season, other than the shoulder pad issue? Jersey was too tight? Arm got too tired? Come one, see through the crap. He wasn't cutting the mustard.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:06:48 pm
Lies? How come Mustain got hacked at his Grandma for saying what she said in the interview to Bo Mattingly and on ESPN?How come it has been Mitch's mother raising all of the heck and making him look like a big cry baby...Have you seen what people around the nation are saying about Mitch? They all see him as a crybaby..and now 2 schools have turned him down because of that perception and what his mother has done..Louisville and Oklahoma.

Beck Campbell has already ruined her son.Sure he will end up somewhere..but the perception is that he is a crybaby mommas boy..and teams dont want him.

Yes, lies.  Mustain's grandmother was slamming the P'sOS that run the program.  Mitch asked for her interview to be taken down.  He did not want her speaking for him.

Mitch's mother has been raising legitimate heck every once in awhile.  Never once was it over playing time, or the direction of the offense.  Not once.

Notice that he has not said one bad word about this season, those in charge, or anything.  That's class.

If any of you think that the parents are the only ones that have ever said anything to Nutt, you have lost your mind.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 06:08:49 pm
Who gives a frick about the Lady Razorbacks?

I'll say it again: Beck Campbell would have to be a meddling parent in the first place to actually meddle.

She is not, and the people that are trumpeting those lies are as poor of excuses for human beings as those who began them.

Dude, pull your head out of the freaking sand. You sound like the Iraqi Information guy during our attack.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:09:32 pm
Like it or not, the whole thing about his mom and several other parents is widely known around the country. It isn't because people listened to 103.7 all day long either. When your mom has a press release end up on ESPN, I don't see how it is radio people's fault for anything that has happened. But, you like to put blame where it doesn't fall so it doesn't suprise me. I am suprised you didn't blame Nutt for all of this.

I put blame directly where it belongs.  Always have.  The blame for this entire fiasco rests on Broyles and Nutt. 

The whole thing is not known across the country.  The spin and lies straight out of the Broyles Center are.  When you control the media, you can say what you like.  Scott Cain broke the story by telling the party line, it got picked up, next thing we know, the parents are being bashed across the country.  Nevermind that what was said was not the truth.

Why not have a press release?  When you've already been lied about, bashed, and slandered, it's better to say things directly than to tell a pro-Nutt reporter and hope he doesn't make it look differently in a story.
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 18, 2007, 06:10:03 pm
You really think the 3 state championships won at Shiloh against 2AA teams was not with superior talent?  Silly boy.  all the post on here of the players off those teams that went on to colleges. 

Malzahn had ONE big contributor at Shiloh who accepted a college scholarship, and that was Cole McNair, and he went to Tulsa. (sound familiar?) I know of no others. Walk-ons (Rhett Lashlee and Josh Floyd) do not count.

If you know of others, name them.

Shiloh was far outclassed athletically against Junction City in 1999. It wasn't even close on pure talent. Same thing when Shiloh played Rison the next year. And Barton. And on and on.

You've got no clue what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 06:10:25 pm
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Mitch's mother has been raising legitimate heck every once in awhile.  Never once was it over playing time, or the direction of the offense.  Not once.

Legitimate only in your mind maybe. To think it wasn't over PT or the direction of the offense is to be blind Justin. You have no idea what was said no matter how many insiders you want to believe there are over on Hogville.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:10:34 pm
ArSportTalk is much better than some places...

Yeah, Woopig, but that's not saying much.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 06:10:38 pm
Lies? How come Mustain got hacked at his Grandma for saying what she said in the interview to Bo Mattingly and on ESPN?How come it has been Mitch's mother raising all of the heck and making him look like a big cry baby...Have you seen what people around the nation are saying about Mitch? They all see him as a crybaby..and now 2 schools have turned him down because of that perception and what his mother has done..Louisville and Oklahoma.

Beck Campbell has already ruined her son.Sure he will end up somewhere..but the perception is that he is a crybaby mommas boy..and teams dont want him.

Yes, lies.  Mustain's grandmother was slamming the P'sOS that run the program.  Mitch asked for her interview to be taken down.  He did not want her speaking for him.

Mitch's mother has been raising legitimate heck every once in awhile.  Never once was it over playing time, or the direction of the offense.  Not once.

Notice that he has not said one bad word about this season, those in charge, or anything.  That's class.

If any of you think that the parents are the only ones that have ever said anything to Nutt, you have lost your mind.

And if you think Mitch is perfect and performed like a star this season..you have lost your mind as well.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 06:11:46 pm
ArSportTalk is much better than some places...

Yeah, Woopig, but that's not saying much.


Do me a favor..ask Irwin how stupid he feels for saying Mitch may go to Louisville even after Louisville turned him down.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:11:55 pm
So what other excused are we going to give MM for his poor performances this past season, other than the shoulder pad issue? Jersey was too tight? Arm got too tired? Come one, see through the crap. He wasn't cutting the mustard.

The reason, not excuse, is lack of practice time.

To call MM out for "not cutting it" would be to enforce a blatant double standard by leaving Dick alone for playing even more poorly than Mitch did.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:12:48 pm
ask Irwin how stupid he feels for saying Mitch may go to Louisville even after Louisville turned him down.

Leave out the "even after" part, which isn't true, and I'll do it.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 06:14:18 pm
Who gives a frick about the Lady Razorbacks?

I'll say it again: Beck Campbell would have to be a meddling parent in the first place to actually meddle.

She is not
, and the people that are trumpeting those lies are as poor of excuses for human beings as those who began them.

WOW...I hope you honestly dont believe that...
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:15:24 pm
Legitimate only in your mind maybe. To think it wasn't over PT or the direction of the offense is to be blind Justin. You have no idea what was said no matter how many insiders you want to believe there are over on Hogville.

Legitimate because it is.  And no, it wasn't because of PT and direction.

Like the meeting with Broyles.  I said several weeks ago what the meeting was called for.  The Huggers were loud in their screaming and gnashing of teeth.

I have a better idea about it than you or anyone else on here.  That is fact, like it or not.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 06:16:03 pm
ask Irwin how stupid he feels for saying Mitch may go to Louisville even after Louisville turned him down.

Leave out the "even after" part, which isn't true, and I'll do it.

It is true..the man was just on the Buzz not 30 minutes ago..and the article has been out for quite some time today.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:16:24 pm
And if you think Mitch is perfect and performed like a star this season..you have lost your mind as well.

Mitch is not perfect. 

However, he was the best QB on the team.

And I'll say it again: you don't yank a kid who is undefeated as a starter for one who is a typical .500 QB.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 06:17:28 pm
Quote
Mitch's mother has been raising legitimate heck every once in awhile.  Never once was it over playing time, or the direction of the offense.  Not once.

Legitimate only in your mind maybe. To think it wasn't over PT or the direction of the offense is to be blind Justin. You have no idea what was said no matter how many insiders you want to believe there are over on Hogville.
You are on a roll today.

Nutt has denied almost all of these rumors, but we can't believe him because he is lying to the media. Do you honestly think Nutt would say some of the things he has said if he did in fact get Malzahn for the players. If he did in fact treat Mustain poorly? Those two would have already spoken out by now.

I also love how you say everyone on the hill hates playing for Nutt. I have repeated time and time again that they actually love it because I have actually talked to them, and you probably just go by what someone on  Hogville says. The players all told the media now that those guys are gone they fill stronger than ever and that everything that is being said about this program going down hill is wrong. I talked to a few players that said they had a meeting and told Mustain that if he was even on the fence about being a Hog than he needs to leave.

Today in the paper it said that the players said you either want to be a hog or you don't, there is no in between and that now everyone that doesn't want to be a hog is gone they will be better off.

It is all Nutt though because he is the only one having anything negative to say.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:17:42 pm
It is true..the man was just on the Buzz not 30 minutes ago..and the article has been out for quite some time today.

What man?

The Buzz is nothing but a mouthpiece.  Justin Acri made a complete fool out of himself today.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 06:18:55 pm
Quote
Today in the paper it said that the players said you either want to be a hog or you don't, there is no in between and that now everyone that doesn't want to be a hog is gone they will be better off.

I agree with the players..either you want to be a Hog or you dont..you cant have it both ways..you must have 100% dedication.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 06:19:37 pm
It is true..the man was just on the Buzz not 30 minutes ago..and the article has been out for quite some time today.

What man?

The Buzz is nothing but a mouthpiece.  Justin Acri made a complete fool out of himself today.

What Man? Mike Irwin...they interviewed him on the Buzz not 30 minutes ago and he said that about Mustain and Louisville.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 06:24:29 pm
Ahhh it seems like just yesterday that Arkansas fans praised the coming of Mustain like he was Jesus.  Things change fast.

Don't lump us all in there.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 06:25:31 pm
Ahhh it seems like just yesterday that Arkansas fans praised the coming of Mustain like he was Jesus.  Things change fast.

Don't lump us all in there.
Yea, I haven't really cared for him either. I would have rather seen RoJo at QB this year.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:27:01 pm
Nutt has denied almost all of these rumors, but we can't believe him because he is lying to the media. Do you honestly think Nutt would say some of the things he has said if he did in fact get Malzahn for the players. If he did in fact treat Mustain poorly? Those two would have already spoken out by now.

Nutt is indeed a liar and a poor excuse of a human being, to boot.

Nutt said what he had to, such as "I'm gonna turn Gus loose" and the like, because he had to.  He never hired Malzhan for a new offensive direction, he hired him to get those four players and not be known as the guy who let a national player of the year, in his own backyard, walk away.

If Nutt really meant all those things he said, then why did he try to hire David Lee back in February?

I'd love to hear an explanation for that.

Quote
I also love how you say everyone on the hill hates playing for Nutt. I have repeated time and time again that they actually love it because I have actually talked to them, and you probably just go by what someone on  Hogville says.

I have never once said that all the players hate playing for Nutt.  Never.  I don't know where you get that from.

Quite a few do.  You state that you talk to players, and I go by what somebody on Hogville says.

Has it ever hit you that perhaps (gasp!) players post on there?  Has that ever ran through your mind?

Yesterday's presser by Monk and Co. wasn't nothing but damage control by the loyalists.  Think about it.  When's the last time a player called a press conference?  Players don't call them.  It was a set-up job by Nutt to deflect just criticism and pressure, nothing more.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 06:31:18 pm
Nutt has denied almost all of these rumors, but we can't believe him because he is lying to the media. Do you honestly think Nutt would say some of the things he has said if he did in fact get Malzahn for the players. If he did in fact treat Mustain poorly? Those two would have already spoken out by now.

Nutt is indeed a liar and a poor excuse of a human being, to boot.

Nutt said what he had to, such as "I'm gonna turn Gus loose" and the like, because he had to.  He never hired Malzhan for a new offensive direction, he hired him to get those four players and not be known as the guy who let a national player of the year, in his own backyard, walk away.

If Nutt really meant all those things he said, then why did he try to hire David Lee back in February?

I'd love to hear an explanation for that.

Quote
I also love how you say everyone on the hill hates playing for Nutt. I have repeated time and time again that they actually love it because I have actually talked to them, and you probably just go by what someone on  Hogville says.

I have never once said that all the players hate playing for Nutt.  Never.  I don't know where you get that from.

Quite a few do.  You state that you talk to players, and I go by what somebody on Hogville says.

Has it ever hit you that perhaps (gasp!) players post on there?  Has that ever ran through your mind?

Yesterday's presser by Monk and Co. wasn't nothing but damage control by the loyalists.  Think about it.  When's the last time a player called a press conference?  Players don't call them.  It was a set-up job by Nutt to deflect just criticism and pressure, nothing more.
You have zero proof he tried to hire David Lee. They even offered Malzahn more money.

Malzahn is good friends with the Tulsa coach and they have always wanted to coach together. Grahm said when he becomes a head coach he will hire Malzahn.

There you go with those conspiracies that you have zero proof on. Monk, McFadden, Harrison, and Luigs all were told to call that meeting by Nutt. I am sure everything they said was prewritten on a note card that they read from too.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:34:04 pm
You have zero proof he tried to hire David Lee.

The Dallas Morning News says otherwise.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 06:36:21 pm
You have zero proof he tried to hire David Lee.

The Dallas Morning News says otherwise.

Yes..and the guy who wrote the article came back and said he made a mistake.

Quote

To Whom it may concern,
 
I would like you to address this issue.  The latest reports from local media outlets has been that Gus Malzahn was told of a "demotion", which is why he left to go to Tulsa.  I have found an article from the Dallas Morning News dated December 08, 2006 written by Matt Mosley (cowboysplus.com) which says that David Lee was offered the Offensive Coordinator's job for Arkansas in February 2006.  Gus Malzahn was currently the offensive coordinator at that time.  Can you help explain why this happened?  An excerpt from the article says:
 
"Lee was offered the offensive coordinator position at Arkansas last February, but turned it down to remain in the league. And if there are any openings around the league after this season, he's got at least one pretty good reference."
 
Below is a link to the article.  Please let us know what is going on and why it hasn't been reported already.
 
http://www.cowboysplus.com/columnists/mmosley/stories/120906cpmosley.1671e8d.html
 
Sincerely,
Tim

Here's the response I got from NWA Times:


Nutt’s initial plan at the end of the 2005 season was to hire Lee as offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach and hire Malzahn as receivers coach, which would have been much more in line with Malzahn’s experience level. But Lee turned down the job on the weekend (Dec. 1-3) prior to Mustain publicly re-opening his commitment on the Monday (Dec. 4) following Springdale’s championship victory. By the following Thursday or Friday (Dec. 9), Nutt had hired Malzahn as offensive coordinator with the designation of quarterback or receivers coach to come later when Nutt filled the final spot on his offensive staff.

Basically, when Nutt’s first choice for OC turned him down he was in a public relations bind with Mustain decommitting. He had to make a move quickly that would sooth things over with the fans and create a more favorable situation for recruiting the Springdale kids and that was to hire Malzahn not just as an assistant but as the OC. That move was roundly criticized nationally until mid-season, but it made a lot of people in Northwest Arkansas extremely happy.

Had Nutt not needed to act so quickly, I believe he would have hired Malzahn as an assistant and gone after a more experienced OC, but  Broyles stepped in and had him hire Malzahn as OC for the immediate good of the program.

As for the February attempt to hire Lee, Nutt may have gone after him again with co- title before hiring Alex Wood and Lee turned it down for a second time sometime in Dec. or early Jan. but the report on the Cowboys website about this occurring in Feb. of 2006 is off base. Alex Wood was hired Jan. 4 according to our archives, so Nutt’s staff was full by then.

Here's the correspondence I've had w/ Matt Mosley:


Tim,

 Here's the deal: It was common knowledge around here that David was
offered
the job...I think he turned down the UA job when the Cowboys season
ended in
January...I said Feb., which was probably not accurate...Thanks.

m

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim
To: Mosley, Matt
Sent: 1/17/2007 2:38 PM
Subject: RE: Re: David Lee Contacted for OC in February 2006

So did he turn down the job in Feb. and he was offered in January?
Your
article says February.

"Mosley, Matt" <MMosley@dallasnews.com> wrote:

he was offered the job in Jan., not Feb...Thx.
 
m

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:47 AM
To: mmosley@dallasnews.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: David Lee Contacted for OC in February 2006


Mr. Mosley,
 
Attached is an e-mail I received from the Northwest Arkansas Times,
stating that your information is "off base" when you said David Lee was
offered the OC job at Arkansas in February of 2006.  Please feel free
to
respond to them (I would also like to know your response).
 
Thanks,
Tim
Title: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 06:39:19 pm
I was banned over there for something. I had no post bashing anyone...I just told me people that we needed to stand up and support the program reguardless who is coaching and the AD...but that aside...


How do i figure out why i was banned do they not tell you...I feel like I was banned for taking up for the hogs...In my opinion they should shut the site down...it is nothing but a place that is bashing the razorbacks...i just don't get it...if anyone knows please let me know...and please don't ban me from FF...this site is a classy site that lets people have their opinions and lets them say it...
Title: SAVETHEHOGS.COM
Post by: Father Guido on January 18, 2007, 06:40:30 pm
No, I did not start this, but you can sign up today.

http://www.savethehogs.com/

38-36 in the SEC...wow.
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 06:40:54 pm
Get use to it bro. I have been banned forever over there because I told someone that was calling Mustain a pro QB that he wasn't one yet. Didn't use one vulgar word, didn't try and over ride the censor. Wasn't even really a diss. I got banned.
Title: Re: Louisville Turns Down Mustain
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 06:42:27 pm
You have zero proof he tried to hire David Lee.

The Dallas Morning News says otherwise.
What happened to that witty thread you had? Did you not have a response to why I never received the memo?
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 06:42:49 pm
the only word i used was and I quote..."Don't bash the guys that are out there busting their butt" didn't think it was the end of the world...but i guess i messed up and stood up for the team that the site is built around...
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:47:05 pm
Often times I hear "I was banned, I was innocent", and I start investigating and find out they weren't as lily-white as they say they were.

(sigh)

wawa, what was your handle on there?
Title: Re: Gus and Tulsa have violated NCAA Rules
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 06:47:25 pm
Quote
provided the employment contract with the member institution is not contingent upon the enrollment of a prospective student-athlete

That is the tough part. Did Nutt say "We'll hire you if you bring your kids." Who knows. Tough to figure out unless someone talks.
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 06:48:13 pm
the same as here...wawa111
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:49:17 pm
I'll look into it.
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: Father Guido on January 18, 2007, 06:49:26 pm
Often times I hear "I was banned, I was innocent", and I start investigating and find out they weren't as lily-white as they say they were.

(sigh)

wawa, what was your handle on there?

Trust him,...UI knows all about banishment and reinstatement and such.   ;)
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 06:50:46 pm
Often times I hear "I was banned, I was innocent", and I start investigating and find out they weren't as lily-white as they say they were.

(sigh)

wawa, what was your handle on there?
If you have a say in banning over there than that may be why I was banned. If you look at my posts over there you will see I didn't say anything. I can't speak for anyone else, but I only had 2 or 3 posts. One was the one I described and the other was stating Nutt's ppg throughout his career in the SEC. I think I had one post on the fitness board talking about weight lifting. I got banned twice. After the first tme I got banned my posts were erased.

I think I can still log in on there at school, but at my house it says error. I think they banned my IP.
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:52:30 pm
If you have a say in banning over there than that may be why I was banned.

I didn't have a thing to do with it.

Try logging in there now with your old account.
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 06:53:22 pm
I'm sure i said some things that people didn't like...but i thought these were places to express your feelings...i am not asking to be reinstated, i just want to know what i did to get banned...

i mean me and UI go at it but its nothing personal...we just don't think the same...
Title: The real tale of the tape of Hog QB's
Post by: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 06:54:25 pm
The average power rankings for teams Mustain started against is 68.625.

The average power ranking of teams Dick started against is 23.

The only reason Dick's ranking is so high is that Miss State had a power ranking of of 80. If you drop them out the ranking for the other four games is 8.75.

I'm tired of hearing the  garbage about not pulling Mustain as the starter when he was 8-0. If he had stayed in against South Carolina, the Hogs would have lost, they would not have won the West, and would have ended up at Shreveport in the Indy Bowl. Mustain got credit for the SC win, but anyone with a decent memory will remember that it was Dick who won that game for he Hogs.

If you give credit to Dick for the SC win (25 power rank), Mustain's power rank will be 74.85 and Dick's will be 23.33. Anyone who looks at the picture honestly can't think that Mustain would be been a difference maker in any of the Hog's losses.


Source for rankings: http://www.jhowell.net/cf/cf2006.htm (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/cf2006.htm)

I gave SEMO a power ranking of 121 because they are DII and not in the rankings.
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 06:55:52 pm
Yea, I don't have anything personal against UI either. If there is nobody on here that I can argue with constantly than I probably wouldn't post much.


I logged in and it said this.

" Sorry Guest, you are banned from using this forum!
multiple accounts"

I have 2 accounts on the same email but only because after I got banned the first time I made a new account.
Title: Re: The real tale of the tape of Hog QB's
Post by: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 06:56:22 pm
Couldn't agree more!!!!!!
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: DIG-BIG on January 18, 2007, 06:56:45 pm
When any High School Player Steps up to the NCAA Division I will support them until the bitter End. I want Players from Arkansas FROM ANY HS TEAM to Excel to the top of the D1 or D2 team. Plan and simple I just feel for the Players from Springdale. Gawd, look at the roller coaster ride they have been given from Mom and Dad, Frank B., Houston Dipp Nutt and the Hog Fans.
You can only wonder what they really think or feel. They are too young to Screw with there Heads.


All Hog fans have Compassion......for Players.
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 06:57:30 pm
mine says...


 Sorry Guest, you are banned from using this forum
trolling
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 06:58:02 pm
Alright, thanks for unbanning me. It worked. We have been friendly enough....time to argue with each other again.

Just kidding. I probably won't post a whole lot over there. I just like reading it from time to time.
Title: Re: The real tale of the tape of Hog QB's
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 06:58:32 pm
If you give credit to Dick for the South Carolina win, then you have to direct blame at him for the LSU loss as well.
Title: Re: The real tale of the tape of Hog QB's
Post by: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 06:59:59 pm
If you give credit to Dick for the South Carolina win, then you have to direct blame at him for the LSU loss as well.
Do you honestly think Mustain would have made a difference?
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 07:00:21 pm
not me i am still banned...UI did I say things to deserve banning...IF I did thats fine, I really didn't think I did...
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 07:04:13 pm
Thank you UI...I will no longer be a thorn in your side....LOL...no, you gotta have people keep you on your toes...what is the coaching situation looking like in YellowJacket land?
Title: Re: The real tale of the tape of Hog QB's
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 07:06:13 pm
Do you honestly think Mustain would have made a difference?

Not sure.

Given that Monk tanked an easy Mustain pass that ended up being intercepted, the same Monk that made a ridiculous double-coverage catch to end the half for a touchdown, I'm not sure on it at all.
Title: Re: The real tale of the tape of Hog QB's
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 07:07:23 pm
The only QB that would have made any difference in the LSU game was Jamarcus Russell and that would have been by him being injured. Nobody on the Hog sideline would have taken us to victory in that game.

Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 07:08:57 pm
Thank you UI...I will no longer be a thorn in your side....LOL...no, you gotta have people keep you on your toes...what is the coaching situation looking like in YellowJacket land?

Just doing my job.

Longtime def. coordinator Ray Shempert has been supported by the superintendent for the head coaching job.  He will be voted on and named the new head coach this coming Monday.
Title: Re: The real tale of the tape of Hog QB's
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 07:11:18 pm
Surely, Mustain had to have done better than Dick's 3-17 for 29 yards performance.

I dunno, though, considering the lack of practice time given to the pass game and how less and less of it was as the season went on, it may have not mattered who the QB was.
Title: Re: SAVETHEHOGS.COM
Post by: Uncle Ivan on January 18, 2007, 07:12:34 pm
For clarification, Hogville did not start this site, it did not donate money to STH, nor did it endorse it.

I think I'll go pick up an ADG.  I haven't seen the ad yet.
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 07:15:56 pm
Good Deal...ONce again thanks...Did you see anything that I should be aware of with my post over there to keep from getting banned.
Title: Re: SAVETHEHOGS.COM
Post by: Infamous on January 18, 2007, 07:20:36 pm
For clarification, Hogville did not start this site, it did not donate money to STH, nor did it endorse it.

I think I'll go pick up an ADG.  I haven't seen the ad yet.
For clarification, Hogville did not start this site, it did not donate money to STH, nor did it endorse it.

I think I'll go pick up an ADG.  I haven't seen the ad yet.

Where's the ad located?
Title: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 07:21:05 pm
Someone posted this on the 3A board.Said they are calling for his resignation of the "letter" about Mustain..Im guessing it would be the email.
http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=62955.0
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation
Post by: thebigshot on January 18, 2007, 07:22:54 pm
They were talking about this on Ch 7 news at 5:00 it will be back on at 10:00 more about this.
Title: Re: SAVETHEHOGS.COM
Post by: CardsQB12 on January 18, 2007, 07:23:54 pm
I really want to see this ad. My barber told me about it this afternoon. But sadly, my dad took the paper to work with him this morning.
Title: Re: The real tale of the tape of Hog QB's
Post by: SMC on January 18, 2007, 07:24:10 pm
I found this post on another SEC board today on a thread discussing Mitch's transfer, and it also sums up the way I feel about the whole QB argument...

________________________________________
According to Arkansas' website, Mustain averaged 74.5 ypg this past season in the air, and threw 10 TDs compared to 9 INTs. Not to mention, three of his starts were against Utah State, Southeast Missouri, and Lousiana Monroe. He was HORRIBLE, that's why he got yanked against South Carolina, not because of some injustice but because he sucked.
________________________________________


If Dick had started against SEMO and Utah State and Vandy and OM and ULM...then maybe he would have been 8-0 instead of Mitch.

Let's revisit some of Mitch's wonderful performances
vs ULM (3-8 vs D1 competition) ... 7/18 for 71 yards, 2 TD 2 INT, 3.9 yards/attempt (wow)
vs SEMO (4-7 1-AA team) ... 5/13 for 51 yards, 1 TD, 3.9 yards/attempt again
vs Utah State (1-11) ... 9/17 for 119 yards, 1 TD, 7.0 yards/attempt
vs Alabama ... 7/22 for 97 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT, 4.4 yards/attempt
vs Ole Miss (if you take out the 70 yard screen pass to McFadden) ... 11/14 for 87 yards, 0 TD, 6.2 yards/attempt
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 07:25:24 pm
They were talking about this on Ch 7 news at 5:00 it will be back on at 10:00 more about this.

WOW..Thanks!
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 07:28:32 pm
what is the letter?
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: Sack on January 18, 2007, 07:29:03 pm
I missed the news.  It's past time the Board steps up and takes a little control of this mess.   
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 07:29:30 pm
what is the letter?

A VERY nasty email sent to Mitch Mustain
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: SMC on January 18, 2007, 07:29:35 pm
Don't get your news on Hogville.net

They still think Alabama is going to be turned down by Saban and hire Nutt. It comes from impeccable sources.
Title: Re: SAVETHEHOGS.COM
Post by: JacketVBDad on January 18, 2007, 07:31:23 pm
The ad is on page 3 of the sports section. The text is the same as on their web page.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: Footballer on January 18, 2007, 07:31:51 pm
You guys better not be just trying to get my hopes up.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: SMC on January 18, 2007, 07:33:00 pm
Nutt to Colorado!
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 07:33:13 pm
Who sent it...A fan...Coach...players??/
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: wawa111 on January 18, 2007, 07:34:31 pm
Oh, I pay no attention to them...Just like to see how ignorant the population of Arkansas is...Its fun, makes me laugh, and makes me more and more thankful for Mississippi
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 07:35:20 pm
Who sent it...A fan...Coach...players??/

Supposedly someone VERY close to Nutt
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: Footballer on January 18, 2007, 07:35:49 pm
My mom heard something about this on the radio. She said it involved a member of the Nutt family and a physical trainer.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: buffinator on January 18, 2007, 07:39:20 pm
nothing big's going down.  relax people.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: buffinator on January 18, 2007, 07:42:34 pm
let me rephrase myself.  i am a Hog Central employee.  talked to my boss not 10 minutes ago.  nothing big is going down in fayetteville tonight.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 07:43:00 pm
let me rephrase myself.  i am a Hog Central employee.  talked to my boss not 10 minutes ago.  nothing big is going down in fayetteville tonight.

Thanks Buff.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: buffinator on January 18, 2007, 07:48:04 pm
you be welcome
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: buffinator on January 18, 2007, 07:51:15 pm
hey President Ivan, think you can find out why i was banned?  i'm still wondering.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: thebigshot on January 18, 2007, 08:00:09 pm
heres what was going on ch 7 earlier. I found a link to the story.

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0107/389509.html
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: RisonRacingFan on January 18, 2007, 08:10:38 pm
Ive got a copy of the email...but not sure if they want it posted here.
Title: Re: Over on Hogville.net
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 08:12:46 pm
Don't get your news on Hogville.net

They still think Alabama is going to be turned down by Saban and hire Nutt. It comes from impeccable sources.

Are the initials of one source M.I.?
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 08:16:01 pm
Quote
I think last night on Channel Seven about 51% of the people thought the same way I do."

Man that is an overwhelming majority. Wonder what the margin of error was.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: Footballer on January 18, 2007, 08:16:31 pm
The "Hill" has turned into Mount St. Helens over the past week, and I think the erupting is far from over.
Title: Re: The real tale of the tape of Hog QB's
Post by: Radiotalker on January 18, 2007, 08:22:05 pm
I still think he's going to be a pretty good QB. Wait and see. Everyone expected him to be the savior and he struggled, no arguement there. Let him get some stability and experience and then watch and wish.

I know for a fact Casey Dick isn't the answer.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: Scrapper Slapper on January 18, 2007, 08:23:43 pm
What did Acri say?
Title: Re: SAVETHEHOGS.COM
Post by: Father Guido on January 18, 2007, 08:24:53 pm
They were talking about this and showed the ad on KFSM.  I think Mike Nail got a kick out of it.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: Sack on January 18, 2007, 08:27:02 pm
Ive got a copy of the email...but not sure if they want it posted here.
Please post it for those of us who don't know.  It's been talked about so much it's bound to come out.
Title: Re: Mustain...good riddance!
Post by: oldscribe on January 18, 2007, 08:28:26 pm
Okay people... I've been watching major college football and have been a University of Southern California Trojan and backer since pre-Civil Rights Act passage. A few peaks of interest:  1) Pointing the finger at and pouring all the blame on those athletes from Springdale isn't why the UA is having its problems, 2) If there are 90 players on the UA football team, 90 percent of them are pre-ma-don-nas, 3) Players leave the UA football team each and every year because of some personal issue, ie, playing time, positions, girl friend etc. Far too many excuses have been made for Houston Nutt's coaching ability. What would have happened if Mustain or Dick would have started against USC? Nothing different is the answer. Now that brings to light what kind of people are running things up there and how dirty they are... Look what they did to Robert Johnson. It was worse than and caused a much larger dark cloud over the athletic program than this mi-nute ordeal with the Springdale players.
Title: Re: SAVETHEHOGS.COM
Post by: War Eagle on January 18, 2007, 08:42:26 pm
I thought Arkansas was 0-3 in SECCG's
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: Sack on January 18, 2007, 08:44:28 pm
If this was forwarded by Mrs. Nutt, that's pathetic.  I guess they're a well-matched couple.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: footballfan-tastic on January 18, 2007, 08:46:22 pm
That's the point - the kid didn't create the controversy, which was the point of your post.  And I don't remember him dropping a lot of balls.  Which game was that?
I remember one he caught to win the Alabama game, thrown by MM.  He was/is a good college TE.  Maybe not great.  To me, Damien was the big loss of anything we've seen the past 6 weeks.  He was the guy we needed to keep.

Cleveland dropped 4 balls I believe in the LSU game, I would have to go back to look to be sure, the catch at Bama was pretty much dumb luck.  Mustain made the wrong read, threw to Cleveland, the ball should have been knocked down but wasn't by the DB, which explains why Bama was 6-7, they couldn't make plays, plus how many missed FG.   Damien Williams, what exactly did he really show.  Freshman all conference in a conference were few freshman play much.  He played because of the tremendous lack of receivers at UA.  I am one of those that just didn't see the contributions this year by the Springdale contingent as being significant.  I would have liked to see them stay to see if they could have developed, but as freshman the players who came from Springdale were only moderately successful.   The really important thing now is to regroup and move forward.  The Nutt bashing is not gooing to get rid of Nutt and only hurts the program and the kids still at UA.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: Super Scrapper on January 18, 2007, 08:52:43 pm
Well, you don't have a chance of getting rid of Nutt if you don't bash him....and he certainly doesn't deserve praise....SS

Go Scrappers
   ;)
Title: Re: The real tale of the tape of Hog QB's
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 08:54:12 pm
How can you be so confident about one QB that played poorly being poor but so confident that another poor QB will be great?
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 18, 2007, 08:56:42 pm
All I know is that the boys have said that they "feel more like a team" and "undivided" now. They know that the boys that "are out now are out to play and not to be watching out for only themselves, but for the team as a whole".

How many times have we heard that crap before?
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 08:56:44 pm
Wacker my friend, you might want to get a little more current.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 08:58:09 pm
Wacker my friend, you might want to get a little more current.

About?

I know Applewhite never made the NFL and Simms did. So what is not current?
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: footballfan-tastic on January 18, 2007, 08:58:16 pm
You must be another one of those fans who are convinced the players are supposed to run the program.  I have read throught the posts and just cannot see where Nutt has done anything way out of the ordinary for college coaches.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: invictus on January 18, 2007, 08:59:18 pm
This makes a sad state of affairs sadder. What a pathetic bunch we have become. Here is a woman who I figure to be 40+ years old writing an embarrassingly nasty email to a young college freshman berating him and his family. Now, don't get me wrong. MM did not live up to the hype when he arrived. But, who could have? We made him the savior of the Razorback program before he ever put on the helmet. What pressure this kid must have had!

I am a Houston Nutt and Frank Broyles supporter. Sure, I haven't liked every decision they have made, but I try to always look at the big picture and I like what I see. I think all of this has been blown out of proportion and it is time to lay it to rest and get on with the team's work for next year. I realize that won't happen for some people until they get what they want, but I hope the powers that be won't let a few people decide the course of the program.

Now, to the email. What is the Houston Nutt participation here? When I first heard about it, I thought maybe he had sent it. But, now I see it is from some wacko supposed fan. My thoughts of the best administration reaction is to identify this "fan", pull her season tickets, ban her from the games and refund her any money ever given. This is not the spirit that should be conveyed in college athletics. Folks, this is a game. If the Razorbacks go 0-12 next year, the sun will come up the morning after the last game. People will go to work. Kids will go to school. Life will go on.

I would love to see proof that this is a real email. If it's been forwarded and forwarded, it will have the trace of where it has been. It will be dated.

I hated to see MM go. Not because I think he is the savior of the program or because I think he will win the Heisman some day. I don't believe either will happen. But, I think he has the basics to be a good college QB and finally being away from his HS coach could have really brought out some maturity. I believed he would be #1 next season and I'm sad he didn't give that a chance. But, if he really got an email like this, I can't blame him for leaving. It's awful and I hope they ban the person who sent it.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 08:59:37 pm
A question:

Have you ever been sent an email of questionable content that you forwarded?  Was it on work time?  Would the boss approve? What if your wife, son, grandma think of you if they knew you'd passed it on? 

My point is forwarding an email that you found amusing is not a bad act in itself or very many of us would be guilty as well.

As to the content of the "letter" itself, that is another can of worms.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:01:06 pm
This makes a sad state of affairs sadder. What a pathetic bunch we have become. Here is a woman who I figure to be 40+ years old writing an embarrassingly nasty email to a young college freshman berating him and his family. Now, don't get me wrong. MM did not live up to the hype when he arrived. But, who could have? We made him the savior of the Razorback program before he ever put on the helmet. What pressure this kid must have had!

I am a Houston Nutt and Frank Broyles supporter. Sure, I haven't liked every decision they have made, but I try to always look at the big picture and I like what I see. I think all of this has been blown out of proportion and it is time to lay it to rest and get on with the team's work for next year. I realize that won't happen for some people until they get what they want, but I hope the powers that be won't let a few people decide the course of the program.

Now, to the email. What is the Houston Nutt participation here? When I first heard about it, I thought maybe he had sent it. But, now I see it is from some wacko supposed fan. My thoughts of the best administration reaction is to identify this "fan", pull her season tickets, ban her from the games and refund her any money ever given. This is not the spirit that should be conveyed in college athletics. Folks, this is a game. If the Razorbacks go 0-12 next year, the sun will come up the morning after the last game. People will go to work. Kids will go to school. Life will go on.

I would love to see proof that this is a real email. If it's been forwarded and forwarded, it will have the trace of where it has been. It will be dated.

I hated to see MM go. Not because I think he is the savior of the program or because I think he will win the Heisman some day. I don't believe either will happen. But, I think he has the basics to be a good college QB and finally being away from his HS coach could have really brought out some maturity. I believed he would be #1 next season and I'm sad he didn't give that a chance. But, if he really got an email like this, I can't blame him for leaving. It's awful and I hope they ban the person who sent it.

If it turns out HDN wife forwarded the e-mail, in your opinion should HDN be punished for it?
Title: Re: SAVETHEHOGS.COM
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 09:01:41 pm
They were talking about this and showed the ad on KFSM.  I think Mike Nail got a kick out of it.

He wrote it and helped pay for it, of course he likes it.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 18, 2007, 09:02:34 pm
If it turns out HDN wife forwarded the e-mail, in your opinion should HDN be punished for it?

If so, the only person who should be doing the punishing is Houston Dale himself. Free country. Even though I find the e-mail despicable.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: RHS on January 18, 2007, 09:04:06 pm
About?

I know Applewhite never made the NFL and Simms did. So what is not current?

Pretty sure Applewhite is doing fine as a coach at Alabama. Simms is in the NFL because of his dad.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: CatsRule on January 18, 2007, 09:04:16 pm
Wacker my friend, you might want to get a little more current.

About?

I know Applewhite never made the NFL and Simms did. So what is not current?

Applewhite is the Offensive Coordinator at Alabama as of Jan. 13, 2007, and was the OC at Rice this past season. 
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:05:11 pm
If it turns out HDN wife forwarded the e-mail, in your opinion should HDN be punished for it?

If so, the only person who should be doing the punishing is Houston Dale himself. Free country. Even though I find the e-mail despicable.

I agree, but it shows no integrity. Obvious why our recruiting class this year is a joke compared to what it should, and could have been. A 10 win season wasted.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 18, 2007, 09:05:35 pm
Kim Sanchez is the same way, and I was showing that with my example.

I hear that her nickname is "Dirty."
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: heathwaldrop on January 18, 2007, 09:06:48 pm
I agree, but it shows no integrity. Obvious why our recruiting class this year is a joke compared to what it should, and could have been. A 10 win season wasted.

100 percent agreed.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 09:07:15 pm
Imagine this one:

Beck Campbell, Kim Sanchez, Gary Brashears dad and Matt Jones's dad in the same room.
Title: Re: Ben Cleveland Next ?
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 09:08:20 pm
I think the more you bash, the more the heels get dug in for a long haul.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: footballfan-tastic on January 18, 2007, 09:08:51 pm
Wacker my friend, you might want to get a little more current.

About?

I know Applewhite never made the NFL and Simms did. So what is not current?

Applewhite is the Offensive Coordinator at Alabama as of Jan. 13, 2007, and was the OC at Rice this past season. 

I thought that was the case.
Title: Re: Mustain was done SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
Post by: rsvl_hogfan4 on January 18, 2007, 09:10:13 pm
So what other excused are we going to give MM for his poor performances this past season, other than the shoulder pad issue? Jersey was too tight? Arm got too tired? Come one, see through the crap. He wasn't cutting the mustard.

The excuse I heard that contributed the most was the lack of publicity his mom and grandma were getting. Do you know if there is any truth to that? I think it is a fact despite not having proof.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:11:10 pm
About?

I know Applewhite never made the NFL and Simms did. So what is not current?

Pretty sure Applewhite is doing fine as a coach at Alabama. Simms is in the NFL because of his dad.

Those that can do, those that can't teach! Simms was obviously a better QB as proof of NFL experience.

Simms dad is not considered a high profile ex-player, I doubt that got him drafted and on the team.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: Forked Tongue on January 18, 2007, 09:11:21 pm
His wife is not known to have written it.  All leads go to a computer that apparently was accessible to many.  It's fine to get upset at the content, but no one knows who wrote it for sure.

How do we even know it's a woman?  Sure as heck ain't Teresa
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: T-Wacker on January 18, 2007, 09:13:50 pm
Interesting a women even talking about football to begin with. But does this stupid bi@#ch know that Major Applewhite is selling used cars and Simms is in the NFL? Nice analogy idiot.




Actually I think Major Applewhite is coaching college football.

OK, for those of you that struggle with sarcasm unless it is spelled out, I made the used car salesman crap up as a comparison to a stupid statement by a women who obviously had no clue that Simms made the NFL AND started at one time.
Title: Re: Mustain to Oklahoma?
Post by: footballfan-tastic on January 18, 2007, 09:13:52 pm
Mitch needs to look more carefully at a school with a great QB coach so he can be taught to read defenses.  Most any college team will throw enough to get him to the next level if he has the stuff, if he can get the job done.  I question whether or not he can.  If he sits out a year, which he should have at UA, maybe he will get a good football education.
Title: Re: BOT calling for Nutt's resignation???
Post by: Eddie Goodson on January 18, 2007, 09:13:59 pm
Guys, I'm going to remove all posts with the e-mail in it. hSv does not want it on the boards because there is still the possiblity of legal action in regards to it. You are free to PM it, but openly posting it will only get it removed. You may link to it a