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Title: Dumas
Post by: LilFro on May 06, 2019, 02:52:02 pm
Who will be the new coach at Dumas?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Crossett Eagle on May 06, 2019, 03:16:41 pm
Who will be the new coach at Dumas?

Wait what. Why did Pennington leave?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on May 06, 2019, 03:18:59 pm
Who was the coach?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on May 06, 2019, 03:52:45 pm
Who will be the new coach at Dumas?


Pennington and click bait much?  Nothing has happened to Pennington at Dumas nor will it. There is a social media post going around trying to show where the Coach supposedly stated he hates "N Word". As pointed out in said social media post, anybody can change a name in a phone to whomever. There is no confirmation the Coach ever said this and it has never been an issue at the school or on the field with the players. I can go change a name in my phone to Trump, but that doesn't actually mean its Trump who is stating such. Sounds like a parent or maybe even a soured staff member trying to get the Coach in some hot water considering we know in today's world everyone over-reacts to such news only to find out later someone has been crucified for something that never in fact happened!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: LilFro on May 06, 2019, 04:56:20 pm

Pennington and click bait much?  Nothing has happened to Pennington at Dumas nor will it. There is a social media post going around trying to show where the Coach supposedly stated he hates "N Word". As pointed out in said social media post, anybody can change a name in a phone to whomever. There is no confirmation the Coach ever said this and it has never been an issue at the school or on the field with the players. I can go change a name in my phone to Trump, but that doesn't actually mean its Trump who is stating such. Sounds like a parent or maybe even a soured staff member trying to get the Coach in some hot water considering we know in today's world everyone over-reacts to such news only to find out later someone has been crucified for something that never in fact happened!
Pretty sure itís true.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on May 06, 2019, 05:42:02 pm
Most of the town is hoping Coach Pennington remains as our head football coach. With a son on the team I definetly feel this way. We have a chance to be a top contender this year. I think if Coach Pennington leaves it could possibly do a lot of damage to the team if someone new is brought in it could get really bad. Only 2 guys on staff who could take it over Carter, or Amerson. If Coach P leaves keeping one of those guys in place has to be done. Amerson would be my guess he is more reserved and has a lot of successful experience, but Iím afraid if Coach Pennington leaves both of those guys will leave, which will leave our program in shambles.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: LilFro on May 06, 2019, 06:53:05 pm
RabAlum...is this fake news?
https://www.thv11.com/mobile/video/news/community/arkansas-high-school-football-coach-under-fire-after-sending-racist-text-message/91-ef47de36-fffc-4417-bcc9-f052fc661ecf
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on May 06, 2019, 07:17:30 pm
Funny thing is entire team is 1000% behind coach Pennington. One kids parent is only one making all of this into big deal, because her kid has not received recognition that she feels he deserves. This individual is willing to destroy a whole team to get back at a person she dislikes.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on May 06, 2019, 07:32:22 pm
Funny thing is entire team is 1000% behind coach Pennington. One kids parent is only one making all of this into big deal, because her kid has not received recognition that she feels he deserves. This individual is willing to destroy a whole team to get back at a person she dislikes.
So, youíre saying that basically even after he was apologetic for sending the racist text all should be forgiven? What he sent was a pretty powerful message fella.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on May 06, 2019, 08:25:32 pm
I donít know exactly what he did or didnít do but is every man not due a second chance? Iím not saying he shouldnít receive a punishment. All Iím saying is if you weigh all of his positive impacts to these kids to this 1 message the positive far out weigh the bad. We have all done things we arenít proud of or regret. This message is being sold by 1 disgruntled momma, and her boyfriend who is called a ďscoutĒ which is self appointed! The lack of support is evident in the number of people who showed up at this so called ďmeetingĒ.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on May 06, 2019, 08:45:34 pm
So, youíre saying that basically even after he was apologetic for sending the racist text all should be forgiven? What he sent was a pretty powerful message fella.
If he sincerely apologized, yes he should be forgiven. Whether or not he can coach is a different discussion. The young men he coached know what kind of man he is Iím sure and if they are behind him, maybe he should be able to stay.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on May 06, 2019, 08:52:17 pm
When you are a public employee paid by tax payers to be a role model for young people, you are held to a higher standard. Itís clear he admitted to it, based on the fact he was remorseful and apologetic. Had he texted ďI hate a rival teamís name,Ē or ďI hate the math teacher,Ē or ďI hate the lunch ladies,Ē then yeah a quick slap on the wrist would have sufficed. Now, he just better hope he can keep his license once the state ethics board is finished. Sad deal for sure.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on May 06, 2019, 09:07:02 pm
I believe the message was a typo.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Mr. Mercer on May 06, 2019, 09:08:24 pm
I have no idea what happened, but who is the guy claiming to be a ďscoutĒ..... that seems sketchy at best.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on May 06, 2019, 09:19:21 pm
Guy on the news who was being interviewed. Guy is a joke everybody knows that self appointment scout lol also angry mommas boyfriend lol.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on May 06, 2019, 09:52:06 pm
Guy on the news who was being interviewed. Guy is a joke everybody knows that self appointment scout lol also angry mommas boyfriend lol.

Sounds like they have VERY valid reason to be angry...

I love football as much as the next guy, but the excuses some make for high school football coaches blows me away.  Pennington was obviously in the wrong, admitted to superintendent from article, and people jump up to defend him?  Smh.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Mr. Mercer on May 06, 2019, 10:18:06 pm
Just so weíre clear I was never defending anyone. Just never heard of the guy from the interview. What really makes one a ďscoutĒ of HS football? Surely heís not charging or profiting off kids.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on May 07, 2019, 05:43:24 am
Anybody on this post trying to defend that coaches action... you are truly a disgusting person and need to reevaluate your life..... some things are bigger than success in high school sports.......
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on May 07, 2019, 05:55:18 am
Just so weíre clear I was never defending anyone. Just never heard of the guy from the interview. What really makes one a ďscoutĒ of HS football? Surely heís not charging or profiting off kids.

I'm not sure about charging and profiting off kids because Idk much about the guy....but just from following him on Facebook he is real adamant about helping in-state Talent get recognition and pick up scholarships..... over the last few years he has helped numerous players across the state farther their education by getting a scholarship to play at the next level........ it's players all across the state that seems to like the guy and have a close relationship with him.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: doggieskoot2 on May 07, 2019, 08:54:39 am
Pretty rough situation.  I can't see the coach making it through this one.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on May 07, 2019, 09:12:38 am
Anybody on this post trying to defend that coaches action... you are truly a disgusting person and need to reevaluate your life..... some things are bigger than success in high school sports.......
What action? He sent an errant text. A poorly worded text for sure! He didnít threaten and he didnít harm.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on May 07, 2019, 09:19:54 am
What action? He sent an errant text. A poorly worded text for sure! He didnít threaten and he didnít harm.


Exactly... As pointed out in my earlier post, he will be crucified for the masses before looking at the entire picture because that's what is done this day and age. If Dumas let's him go, he will have another job in less than a year!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: doggieskoot2 on May 07, 2019, 09:40:19 am
He allegedly texted, by accident or not, "I hate Nwords"?????? How could any person of color play for that? 
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on May 07, 2019, 10:43:47 am
He allegedly texted, by accident or not, "I hate Nwords"?????? How could any person of color play for that?



I guess you could ask all of the players who are currently backing their HC, true or not?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: doggieskoot2 on May 07, 2019, 10:47:20 am
point conceded.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on May 07, 2019, 10:51:57 am
He allegedly texted, by accident or not, "I hate Nwords"?????? How could any person of color play for that?
What if those ďpeople of colorĒ feel disdain to the persons who the text was about? The only part of this story that we know and understand is that Pennington sent 3 extremely derogatory and hateful words in a text. What had him so mad to text that? What was said by the parents to the coach to extract such a response?
Iíve said and done way too many stupid and ignorant things to crucify the man. He apologized and lost his job. What more needs to happen to him?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: SUGARTOWN on May 07, 2019, 11:04:58 am
What if those ďpeople of colorĒ feel disdain to the persons who the text was about? The only part of this story that we know and understand is that Pennington sent 3 extremely derogatory and hateful words in a text. What had him so mad to text that? What was said by the parents to the coach to extract such a response?
Iíve said and done way too many stupid and ignorant things to crucify the man. He apologized and lost his job. What more needs to happen to him?

I don't think he's lost his job, yet.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: ISU7 on May 07, 2019, 12:54:15 pm

Pennington and click bait much?  Nothing has happened to Pennington at Dumas nor will it. There is a social media post going around trying to show where the Coach supposedly stated he hates "N Word". As pointed out in said social media post, anybody can change a name in a phone to whomever. There is no confirmation the Coach ever said this and it has never been an issue at the school or on the field with the players. I can go change a name in my phone to Trump, but that doesn't actually mean its Trump who is stating such. Sounds like a parent or maybe even a soured staff member trying to get the Coach in some hot water considering we know in today's world everyone over-reacts to such news only to find out later someone has been crucified for something that never in fact happened!
The message was screenshot, every time something of this sort comes up excuses are made.  You will not be able to edited a message sent to you. Stop it. For Coach P sake I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it. You have to pay attention when you are messaging more than one person. Fact.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: ISU7 on May 07, 2019, 12:57:49 pm
What if those ďpeople of colorĒ feel disdain to the persons who the text was about? The only part of this story that we know and understand is that Pennington sent 3 extremely derogatory and hateful words in a text. What had him so mad to text that? What was said by the parents to the coach to extract such a response?
Iíve said and done way too many stupid and ignorant things to crucify the man. He apologized and lost his job. What more needs to happen to him?
How many times have you heard words busted a person in the face. I'll wait.........Words should hurt anyone that much.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on May 07, 2019, 01:09:26 pm
How many times have you heard words busted a person in the face. I'll wait.........Words should hurt anyone that much.
If youíre asking me how many times things were said to me and I lashed out with angry actions and/or words, way too many. I do my best to not act like that anymore.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Arkansauce on May 07, 2019, 01:29:24 pm
The only problem that I see is that he replied back and said, "OMG I meant to send beggars." If that really was his intent, why would his phone autocorrect to the N word. Phones don't automatically use derogartory words. If that was his autocorrect word then that means it is a frequently used word throughout his texting history. Therefore either way he was wrong.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on May 07, 2019, 02:07:35 pm
The only problem that I see is that he replied back and said, "OMG I meant to send beggars." If that really was his intent, why would his phone autocorrect to the N word. Phones don't automatically use derogartory words. If that was his autocorrect word then that means it is a frequently used word throughout his texting history. Therefore either way he was wrong.


So why was the text from the individual blacked out where you couldn't read it on the screenshot?  Just all the coaches? Like I have been saying there is much more to this then what is being said and like it not, he will be crucified for it even though his players (of all races) are completely behind him.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on May 07, 2019, 03:03:49 pm
Lol..... y'all are going to try to come up with every excuse in the book..... just to try to save y'all football season.smh.... no morals whatsoever
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Nacho on May 07, 2019, 03:47:28 pm
Out of curiosity: Is it common practice wherever you are to text the HC?

I have a kid who plays and I would never text him...he uses an app to communicate.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on May 07, 2019, 05:13:25 pm
Lol..... y'all are going to try to come up with every excuse in the book..... just to try to save y'all football season.smh.... no morals whatsoever
Save Dumasís football season? This is a great scenario for Warren to repeat as conference champs again with this shake up. This could be some men on here wanting to know the whole story before we judge.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on May 07, 2019, 05:30:25 pm
Save Dumasís football season? This is a great scenario for Warren to repeat as conference champs again with this shake up. This could be some men on here wanting to know the whole story before we judge.


Whole story what are you not seeing? It's not like he is denying it.....he just said it was a mistake.... and if you are simple minded and naive enough to believe that then God bless your soul......only mistake was he sent it to the wrong person...."OMG I meant to send beggars" (really that's the best he could come up with).😂
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on May 07, 2019, 05:34:42 pm
Out of curiosity: Is it common practice wherever you are to text the HC?

I have a kid who plays and I would never text him...he uses an app to communicate.

Its very common....lol....parents and coaches communicate through text all the time.....
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on May 07, 2019, 05:46:10 pm
It already being end of the year question is what will the school decide to do if they vote him out?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on May 07, 2019, 06:37:34 pm
Save Dumasís football season? This is a great scenario for Warren to repeat as conference champs again with this shake up. This could be some men on here wanting to know the whole story before we judge.


Warren already being discounted.....

Always a rich speculation isnít it?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on May 08, 2019, 08:14:44 am


Whole story what are you not seeing? It's not like he is denying it.....he just said it was a mistake.... and if you are simple minded and naive enough to believe that then God bless your soul......only mistake was he sent it to the wrong person...."OMG I meant to send beggars" (really that's the best he could come up with).😂
I am very simple minded actually. I know there are two sides to any story. And thank you, I need all the blessings that are tossed my way.

Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on May 08, 2019, 08:22:15 am
I canít even imagine the pucker factor that must have occurred when his superintendent, who happens to be a black man, calls him into his office to discuss a text he sent to another district employee/parent, that said ďI hate n.Ē
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: 1reddieLB on May 08, 2019, 09:22:16 am
Canít...recover...from...this...! Where do they go in May with a loaded roster? In House?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on May 08, 2019, 09:25:15 am
Canít...recover...from...this...! Where do they go in May with a loaded roster? In House?


Won't be loaded anymore if he goes.  There will be multiple players transfer out of the district if it does in fact go down the way everyone believes it will. And yes, they have immediate family members in other districts.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on May 08, 2019, 09:27:17 am
They will have to go in house only way they keep players together most of them anyway.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on May 08, 2019, 09:39:41 am
If this is all true...it's a bad situation all away around. Any school employee making that kind of remark lost one of the most important thing they need in order to do their job as an educator RESPECT from students, players and parents. It's going to be very difficult going forward for him to apply discipline to both black or white students because it's perfectly reasonable to question his motivation behind his discipline since this has happen. I don't think his contributions to the school on the football field can outweigh what happened.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Mr. Mercer on May 08, 2019, 09:41:49 am

Won't be loaded anymore if he goes.  There will be multiple players transfer out of the district if it does in fact go down the way everyone believes it will. And yes, they have immediate family members in other districts.

That doesn't mean they can just transfer.  Still have to go through the courts to make all that work.  Since I'm ignorant to the situation.  How is it believed it will go down??
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on May 08, 2019, 10:24:37 am
That doesn't mean they can just transfer.  Still have to go through the courts to make all that work.  Since I'm ignorant to the situation.  How is it believed it will go down??


That he will be fired as a result!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: nomorewhining on May 08, 2019, 10:42:06 am
The only problem that I see is that he replied back and said, "OMG I meant to send beggars." If that really was his intent, why would his phone autocorrect to the N word. Phones don't automatically use derogartory words. If that was his autocorrect word then that means it is a frequently used word throughout his texting history. Therefore either way he was wrong.

Precisely +1
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on May 08, 2019, 11:00:12 am
The only problem that I see is that he replied back and said, "OMG I meant to send beggars." If that really was his intent, why would his phone autocorrect to the N word. Phones don't automatically use derogartory words. If that was his autocorrect word then that means it is a frequently used word throughout his texting history. Therefore either way he was wrong.

the B and N are side by side on the keyboard, but that would have spelled out "neggars", now if that is how the text read, its a possibility, but if it was spelt ni*****, then no, you didn't mean beggars.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Mr. Mercer on May 08, 2019, 11:01:09 am

That he will be fired as a result!

So they players will leave if he's fired?  Why?  Is that not what they want?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on May 08, 2019, 11:03:03 am
So they players will leave if he's fired?  Why?  Is that not what they want?



Not according to the Rally the players are holding in his support at the Dumas High School tomorrow?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Mr. Mercer on May 08, 2019, 11:04:54 am


Not according to the Rally the players are holding in his support at the Dumas High School tomorrow?

That's ALL the players?  Wow. 
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on May 08, 2019, 11:16:20 am
That's ALL the players?  Wow.



My understanding of it is over 90% of the team. I guess the news won't show that though will it?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on May 08, 2019, 11:52:02 am


My understanding of it is over 90% of the team. I guess the news won't show that though will it?

Doesn't matter what the team thinks. This is an administrative issue. His action undermines the schools ability to educate. The first time he kicks a black kid off the team...guess what LAWSUIT if a white student doesn't get a send home by him for bad behavior but he sent home a black kid... Sorry in this case you can't let the students decide this!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: 1reddieLB on May 08, 2019, 12:10:38 pm
Exactly this^^.  Like I said, school has no choice here. Donít know him, might be a wonderful guy and coach but doesnít matter..
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Arkansauce on May 08, 2019, 12:33:45 pm
the B and N are side by side on the keyboard, but that would have spelled out "neggars", now if that is how the text read, its a possibility, but if it was spelt ni*****, then no, you didn't mean beggars.
I think he might've blew it with this one.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on May 08, 2019, 12:36:33 pm
I think he might've blew it with this one.

very much looks that way
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Arkansauce on May 08, 2019, 12:39:36 pm
very much looks that way
He Would've been better off saying Naggers at least it would've been more believable. Either way he is wrong and will pay for it dearly with the Superintendent being black.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: threepeoplematter on May 08, 2019, 12:52:01 pm
He Would've been better off saying Naggers at least it would've been more believable. Either way he is wrong and will pay for it dearly with the Superintendent being black.

I understand what you are saying, I would think the superintendent would punish him no matter the superintendent's race, even though in this case it turns out that their might be more motivation in this case based on the superintendents ethnicity.  If his intent was to say what was said, then its not tolerable at all.  Even if he didn't "mean to", its still pretty bad in the public eye obviously.  Good people do bad things, bad people do good things, your disposition doesn't determine your outcome, your actions do.  No dog in the fight here guys, just stating based on what I've seen on the news.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Romeo on May 08, 2019, 01:05:51 pm
The superintendent being black is not going to make the punishment any more severe. If anyone would be reasonable in this type of situation it would be Coach Gragg. I believe its the school boards decision to fire him. Like zebradynasty said his actions undermine the school's ability to educate. Any teacher that does and says something that would undermine the integrity of the school and classroom environment would face termination, regardless of the race of the superintendent or school board.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on May 08, 2019, 01:11:44 pm
The superintendent being black is not going to make the punishment any more severe. If anyone would be reasonable in this type of situation it would be Coach Gragg. I believe its the school boards decision to fire him. Like zebradynasty said his actions undermine the school's ability to educate. Any teacher that does and says something that would undermine the integrity of the school and classroom environment would face termination, regardless of the race of the superintendent or school board.


+1     

Still doesn't change the fact of said student athlete's stating that they would move districts if the coaching change does happen. You know kids these days?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Romeo on May 08, 2019, 02:24:18 pm

+1     

Still doesn't change the fact of said student athlete's stating that they would move districts if the coaching change does happen. You know kids these days?

We had a similar situation in Warren a few years ago with an assistant football coach that made racially insensitive comments on Facebook. Just like this situation, the players stood by and supported him. That doesn't surprise me. For one, they're kids not adults and they have yet to experience the real world or true racism. Second, a lot of players can see a coach as a second father figure, or in many cases their only father figure. From my point of view, it appears the last text message was not sent to the right recipient. I'm willing to give Coach Pennington the benefit of the doubt, but over the years I've learned you can't always judge a person's character by what they say or do in public. I judge character by how people treat those who can do nothing for them and what they do or say when no one is looking. Either he made a auto correct mistake or his true character was revealed.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on May 08, 2019, 03:14:04 pm
He Would've been better off saying Naggers at least it would've been more believable. Either way he is wrong and will pay for it dearly with the Superintendent being black.

Your post suggest that if the Superintendent was white the outcome or punishment may be different. I hope that you are wrong about that. Besides, from what I know about Gragg...he's a straight up kind of man he'll make the decision based upon the facts and nothing else.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: 1reddieLB on May 08, 2019, 05:10:27 pm
Again, White, black, or brown it doesnít matter. Unless he can prove that this was a true ďhonestĒ mistake ( not sure how he can) than itís a no brainer. I hope if this was an accident he can prove it. 
Now back to what is probably reality, who they go with? Amerson would be the logical choice to keep things going like they are. Anybody else is libel to come in and make a mess. Might even give him a year and hire next year?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on May 08, 2019, 05:23:01 pm
Amerson is who I have been told will take over if a new coach is needed. He is an administrator, kids love him, has very successful background, and that would also keep coach Carter the OC in place. Those two basically ran all the day to day operations and the offense and defense anyway. Kids will still be upset but my son told me if those 2 stay he thinks the team will be able to move forward.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on May 09, 2019, 11:43:58 am
He Would've been better off saying Naggers at least it would've been more believable. Either way he is wrong and will pay for it dearly with the Superintendent being black.
Watch South Park much?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Jwolf12 on May 09, 2019, 12:06:23 pm
Any news on the players rally today?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on May 09, 2019, 12:15:57 pm
Amerson is who I have been told will take over if a new coach is needed. He is an administrator, kids love him, has very successful background, and that would also keep coach Carter the OC in place. Those two basically ran all the day to day operations and the offense and defense anyway. Kids will still be upset but my son told me if those 2 stay he thinks the team will be able to move forward.


As JWolf asked, how did the Rally go today?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Gray lizard on May 09, 2019, 04:39:57 pm
Sounds like this coach will have to be let go.  As white male I am not sure I would coach in a predominantly black school.  Walking on egg shells to avoid being called a racist. The word is used to trash talk each other among the black kids daily.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Crossett Eagle on May 09, 2019, 04:59:05 pm
Sounds like this coach will have to be let go.  As white male I am not sure I would coach in a predominantly black school.  Walking on egg shells to avoid being called a racist. The word is used to trash talk each other among the black kids daily.

He should be fired so Dumas can move on and start prepping for the season.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Oldman on May 09, 2019, 05:02:17 pm
Sounds like this coach will have to be let go.  As white male I am not sure I would coach in a predominantly black school.  Walking on egg shells to avoid being called a racist. The word is used to trash talk each other among the black kids daily.
You donít have to walk on eggshells in Dumas. That is an ignorant statement.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on May 09, 2019, 05:33:22 pm
Sounds like this coach will have to be let go.  As white male I am not sure I would coach in a predominantly black school.  Walking on egg shells to avoid being called a racist. The word is used to trash talk each other among the black kids daily.

I'm sure young teenage boys probably call each other B*****s and F***e*e also joking around because thats what teenagers do...but what do you think will happen if a teacher or coach used those words towards a player? As a ADULT you are held to a different standard and should know better....
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: arkansasFBscoop on May 09, 2019, 05:49:19 pm
Sounds like this coach will have to be let go.  As white male I am not sure I would coach in a predominantly black school.  Walking on egg shells to avoid being called a racist. The word is used to trash talk each other among the black kids daily.

Walking on egg shells???  How about just treat kids fairly and not use hateful, racially charged words?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Eddie Goodson on May 09, 2019, 05:50:08 pm
The superintendent being black is not going to make the punishment any more severe. If anyone would be reasonable in this type of situation it would be Coach Gragg. I believe its the school boards decision to fire him. Like zebradynasty said his actions undermine the school's ability to educate. Any teacher that does and says something that would undermine the integrity of the school and classroom environment would face termination, regardless of the race of the superintendent or school board.
The board can't fire anyone except the Super. first recommends them to be fired. The only person the board can fire without a recommendation first is the Super. If a Super. doesn't want to fire someone, the board would have to fire the Super. and put someone in who would recommend it. That would probably end up with the district sued in court by the employee and the district paying a bucket load of money to the employee.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Missco on May 09, 2019, 07:23:46 pm
At a lot school's the school board's run the show.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Eddie Goodson on May 09, 2019, 08:04:52 pm
At a lot school's the school board's run the show.
A lot of myth and legends out there. School Boards are the most powerless level of government in the chain of state government. A super. has way more power than people realize. A board is only there mainly to hire a super. and budget oversight.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: hsindian on May 09, 2019, 09:39:28 pm
Sounds like this coach will have to be let go.  As white male I am not sure I would coach in a predominantly black school.  Walking on egg shells to avoid being called a racist. The word is used to trash talk each other among the black kids daily.
I think he has to be fired but not because of anything other than what he sent. I tried beggars and naggers on here as I type this. Never once does what he sent show up in my auto correct. Heís probably mad at that parent and boyfriend and was going to send that text to someone else and he messed up. I know I e sent messages and pics to the wrong person and it proved to be embarrassing but not racist.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: JacketFan on May 09, 2019, 09:51:16 pm
I know teachers, and coaches that have been fired for less.  I am really shocked that he hasn't been fired yet.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Gray lizard on May 10, 2019, 07:41:54 am
I'm sure young teenage boys probably call each other B*****s and F***e*e also joking around because thats what teenagers do...but what do you think will happen if a teacher or coach used those words towards a player? As a ADULT you are held to a different standard and should know better....
It is not just teenagers. It is in their music, movies, and sport stars vocabulary.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Gray lizard on May 10, 2019, 07:48:59 am
You donít have to walk on eggshells in Dumas. That is an ignorant statement.
I admit I do not know much about Dumas, But most of America a white male can be out of a job with one minor slip up and called a racist faster than any other segment.  I sure by now some on here will consider me a racist.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on May 10, 2019, 08:55:27 am

Sadly the coaches ignorance/mistake has turned into a witch hunt on other white teachers in the Dumas school district as well since this has come out. The school did a fine job of censoring the student's rally in the coaches support yesterday as it was supposed to be held earlier in the day, but instead they held it at the end of the day so as to "not take away from the learning environment". This caused only about 50-75 students to be able to attend as others who wished to attend were forced to ride the buses as that was their only means of transportation home and yes the demographics of his support were pretty equal between White and African American students. I'd like to commend Channel 11 for showing up and giving the student's a voice.  Look for the Coach to turn in his resignation in the coming week to avoid having to be terminated!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Shooter McGavin on May 10, 2019, 09:49:07 am
If Pennington does resign, OC Carter would be the obvious choice to replace him. Solid play caller w/great talent. His offense put up major numbers last season. Winchesterbandit says Carter ran the day to day operations of the team. Looks like a win-win.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Oldman on May 10, 2019, 01:13:41 pm
If Pennington does resign, OC Carter would be the obvious choice to replace him. Solid play caller w/great talent. His offense put up major numbers last season. Winchesterbandit says Carter ran the day to day operations of the team. Looks like a win-win.
You sure he called plays last year or ever?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BlueSteel93 on May 12, 2019, 05:30:41 pm
Carter was the DC last year right?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: 1reddieLB on May 12, 2019, 08:20:17 pm
If Pennington does resign, OC Carter would be the obvious choice to replace him. Solid play caller w/great talent. His offense put up major numbers last season. Winchesterbandit says Carter ran the day to day operations of the team. Looks like a win-win.
Honestly, Carter may be the guy, but playing calling abilities would have very little to do with my choice. If he did it last year heíll do it again this year, regardless. Base the decision on who can lead, who do the kids and coaches follow and respect? That will be your best bet in this situation.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on May 13, 2019, 09:26:34 am
Either of the above would probably be a good choice in order to keep the team, and staff on the same page. With summer break a few weeks out this is not the time to make big changes. Amerson has a lot more experience, and seems to have a good handle on dealing with off the field issues, boosters, administrators, etc. Just hoping these kids get some quick answers so we can put this whole situation in the rear view mirror.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Jwolf12 on May 13, 2019, 10:45:05 am
Have any admin members or the HC made a recent statement on this? I feel like a situation like this needs to be handled sooner rather than later. Board meeting soon?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Oldman on May 13, 2019, 11:47:58 am
Have any admin members or the HC made a recent statement on this? I feel like a situation like this needs to be handled sooner rather than later. Board meeting soon?
Unions and laws. Nothing happens quickly. There are rules in place for these kinds of things.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on May 13, 2019, 02:35:06 pm
Unions and laws. Nothing happens quickly. There are rules in place for these kinds of things.

+1
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on May 13, 2019, 03:03:07 pm
I heard there was a board meeting next week I am sure this will more than likely be addressed then.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: 1reddieLB on May 17, 2019, 09:11:08 pm
Amerson does have the edge in experience. The HC has to do more than just call plays, comes down to who can manage all the duties that can go with it and keep everybody going the same direction.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Shelby on May 20, 2019, 06:41:07 pm
Most of the town is hoping Coach Pennington remains as our head football coach. With a son on the team I definetly feel this way. We have a chance to be a top contender this year. I think if Coach Pennington leaves it could possibly do a lot of damage to the team if someone new is brought in it could get really bad. Only 2 guys on staff who could take it over Carter, or Amerson. If Coach P leaves keeping one of those guys in place has to be done. Amerson would be my guess he is more reserved and has a lot of successful experience, but Iím afraid if Coach Pennington leaves both of those guys will leave, which will leave our program in shambles.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Bevtrain on May 22, 2019, 10:09:05 am
Did anything ever happen?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on May 22, 2019, 03:26:32 pm
Did anything ever happen?


I heard the board put off a vote until 6/6/19.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on May 23, 2019, 08:44:31 am

I heard the board put off a vote until 6/6/19.
Makes it late in the year to look for a coach if he resigns or is terminated.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on May 23, 2019, 09:06:35 am
It will be an in-house hire if he gets terminated.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on May 23, 2019, 09:42:42 am
AD is already gone.....
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Pat Swilling on May 23, 2019, 09:45:03 am
I think if the Coach was looking at being terminated then it would have already happened.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on May 23, 2019, 10:54:33 am
AD is already gone.....
Who was that?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on May 23, 2019, 10:59:17 am
Who was that?
Boney, is name I was told.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Pat Swilling on May 25, 2019, 08:43:55 am
Dumas has an outstanding Superintendent.  He will make the best decision concerning this difficult matter.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on May 27, 2019, 05:24:56 pm
They need to get this figured out quickly! The players need some leadership and need closure one way or the other so the team can get back to focusing on the season. Coach Lewis is currently the Interium HC, which blows my mind feel not much thought went into that.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on June 02, 2019, 12:50:34 am
So, is this over yet? Is the coach staying or going?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on June 03, 2019, 10:00:48 am
So, is this over yet? Is the coach staying or going?



Holding out right now.  School board delayed vote until 6/6/19 because that apparently would be his last day to file a grievance or something in that nature.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Football_Han_D_Cap on June 04, 2019, 03:26:48 am
Did the Superintendent/School Board decide who would be Athletic Director yet?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Crossett Eagle on June 06, 2019, 02:58:38 pm
Update?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on June 06, 2019, 03:15:27 pm
Not 100% sure it is done yet. Was just told by multiple sources Amerson will be taking over this year if Pennington is voted out.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Crossett Eagle on June 06, 2019, 03:30:33 pm
Not 100% sure it is done yet. Was just told by multiple sources Amerson will be taking over this year if Pennington is voted out.

I got a big feeling they are gonna let him go over it after itís all said and done. Hoping Dumas can get going under Amerson and be ready for the season. Dumas is a great team they can contend for a top conference seed for sure.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Crossett Eagle on June 06, 2019, 09:50:14 pm
Anyone know if he was let go or retained?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Crossett Eagle on June 08, 2019, 02:23:09 pm
Not 100% sure it is done yet. Was just told by multiple sources Amerson will be taking over this year if Pennington is voted out.

I heard that Pennington is now out as Dumas coach Amerson to take over as of official HC. Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: leopardsman22 on June 08, 2019, 08:32:32 pm
If that is the case yíall are extremely fortunate. Solid guy that is one of the few coaches I have seen who connects with all kinds of kids and parents. Took our very under athletic kids and turned them into players. Best record we had in years. I am not from there, but from what I know of the situation he is perfect choice to keep it all together. Wish our school would have pushed harder to keep him itís went down hill fast here since he left.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Football_Han_D_Cap on June 09, 2019, 09:24:57 am
Will Coach Amerson be the Athletic Director as well?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on June 09, 2019, 12:38:10 pm
Believe it will be one of the principals. Does anyone know anything about Dumas basketball coach getting kids to not go to football? My son said something about it thought that was odd considering his son is the Quarterback???
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Eddie Goodson on June 09, 2019, 06:00:20 pm
Believe it will be one of the principals. Does anyone know anything about Dumas basketball coach getting kids to not go to football? My son said something about it thought that was odd considering his son is the Quarterback???
The battle between basketball and football coaches is almost as old as the games themselves. Most basketball coaches want their players all fall long and don't want them on the football field. I have heard basketball coaches call football players lazy and have bad habits. It's mainly because the intensity of the practices are so much different.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on June 09, 2019, 08:18:19 pm
Sounds about right. Like most football coaches think basketball coaches are lazy in the spring and never lift weights been hearing that since I played. Guess that argument goes back and forth. Is the Dumas basketball coaches son not getting a lot of D-1 football attention? I saw him play basketball before and he is ok, but far better in football. There has got to be more to the issue, because surely he isnít selfish enough to hurt his own son?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Oldman on June 10, 2019, 08:20:56 am
Kids have 3 years of high school. Unless they have  D1 offer they should play all sports and enjoy high school. Way too many 6'1 kids specializing in basketball.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on June 10, 2019, 09:30:50 am
Kids have 3 years of high school. Unless they have  D1 offer they should play all sports and enjoy high school. Way too many 6'1 kids specializing in basketball.


+1
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: lsoprano on June 11, 2019, 03:03:22 pm
Basketball coach just didnít allow his son to go because of the situation.  Stick to the real issue of what the football coach did.  Letís not start making false accusations and slandering other peopleís character.  He has always cheered for football and helped keep players on the team when they were getting in trouble.  He use to work diligently with Coach Pennington  too keep a star running back on the team a few years ago.  So that statement of  him telling players not to attend football is false
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on June 11, 2019, 07:14:47 pm
Iím not sure on what exactly happened, but Coach Pennington is in no way involved in the program right now. There is a bunch of coaches and players up there working their butts off, and 3 or 4 of the players arenít showing up. That doesnít seem to make sense. I could under stand if coach Pennington was there but he is not?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: lsoprano on June 11, 2019, 07:31:48 pm
That still doesnít make any sense to mention the basketball coach.  If his kid isnít going that his decision but Iím sure he doesnít control what other parents kids do.   I wouldnít want my kid around the program either until it was official that the coach was terminated. 
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on June 11, 2019, 08:16:43 pm
Ya Iím sure he has no pull with other kids not showing up who just so happen to be basketball players lol. Still just donít see how not showing up to work out with your team who is not being led by person in question proves anything, but I guess to each their own opinion. As an African American myself I get being upset, but got to move forward not backwards until situation is handled.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: lsoprano on June 11, 2019, 08:21:10 pm
It proves those parents donít want their kids playing for him.  I wonder who the other kids are that you  speak of?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on June 11, 2019, 08:27:11 pm
I get it donít play for him he isnít there lol. If he was reinstated then this would all be far more understandable!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: lsoprano on June 11, 2019, 08:27:30 pm
I still think itís wrong for you to blame the coach who did nothing wrong.  The blame goes to the coach who sent the text
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: lsoprano on June 11, 2019, 08:30:18 pm
I think they are saying since he appealed it and wants to come back they are letting it be known that they donít want any parts of football until heís officially terminated.  You probably wouldnít understand because what he said didnít bother you
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on June 11, 2019, 08:38:53 pm
I am a black man. I donít like it at all, but my kids especially my oldest donít have many years left I just want them to work hard, and get ready for the season.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: lsoprano on June 11, 2019, 08:41:18 pm
I think thatís what everyone wants to do.  Just spoke up when you attacked the wrong coach
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Crossett Eagle on June 18, 2019, 04:08:13 pm
This deal is not official is what hootens is saying
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Oldman on June 18, 2019, 04:21:54 pm
This deal is not official is what hootens is saying
It has to be true because I read on here twice that it was a done deal and a new coach was hired. Oh wait you said it both times.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Crossett Eagle on June 18, 2019, 05:29:04 pm
It has to be true because I read on here twice that it was a done deal and a new coach was hired. Oh wait you said it both times.
Guess thats what happen when Dumas people say false stuff huh?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on June 22, 2019, 06:56:08 pm
From my understanding Coach Pennington will keep his job, but has 100 day suspension. I am very happy, but kind of shocked thatís how it played out.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: beach bum on June 22, 2019, 07:28:46 pm
Funny thing is entire team is 1000% behind coach Pennington. One kids parent is only one making all of this into big deal, because her kid has not received recognition that she feels he deserves. This individual is willing to destroy a whole team to get back at a person she dislikes.

This is a classic case of cognitive dissonance folks..... So that justifies his utter ignorance and prejudice? How about be a mature adult and handle tough interactions with parents in a more professional manner instead as the head coach? Any coach or teacher for that matter will tell you the worst aspect of their job is dealing with certain parents. If they can't handle that aspect of the job they won't cut it, and he proved that part of the job he could not handle in a professional manner.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: beach bum on June 22, 2019, 07:33:48 pm
If he sincerely apologized, yes he should be forgiven. Whether or not he can coach is a different discussion. The young men he coached know what kind of man he is Iím sure and if they are behind him, maybe he should be able to stay.

What kind of man he is or at least a piece of the person he is was shown in that text message.... I am not sure if he knows its 2019 yet.... not 1969. Second, how dumb can a person be to send a text message  of that nature knowing it can be saved. I tend to agree with the man being interviewed that he had to have been so dumb he sent that text message to the wrong person on accident. I'd love to know who his intended person was he was trying to send that to cause if it was another coach I feel sorry for the kids at Dumas. Sure doesn't seem like there is a lot going on between that coach's ears from the overall picture of the situation.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on June 22, 2019, 09:15:10 pm
Few parents are saying their kids will not play or transfer for their SR year. Not sure what they hope to accomplish with that.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Crossett Eagle on June 23, 2019, 02:10:18 am
Few parents are saying their kids will not play or transfer for their SR year. Not sure what they hope to accomplish with that.
Some parents arenít gonna want their kids playing for a coach that sent that kind of text. I donít blame them
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on June 23, 2019, 01:26:04 pm
Few parents are saying their kids will not play or transfer for their SR year. Not sure what they hope to accomplish with that.

Warren has some jobs open for the families wanting to join a winning program at a few of the mills and of course the post office ;) lol


I kid. I kid.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on June 23, 2019, 05:34:12 pm
Warren has some jobs open for the families wanting to join a winning program at a few of the mills and of course the post office ;) lol


I kid. I kid.
Keep the recruiting to the Busy Offseason thread.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on June 23, 2019, 07:15:05 pm
As a parent I guess I understand the concern, but I would also ask myself has he done anything to my kid over last 3 years that seems racist, or hurting my child in any way. As a black man with a black son on the team I know I donít feel that way. If anything it is the opposite. Those kids love him because he shows them he cares about them. We have all said something of poor taste at one point or another I just know I personally have no problem with my son playing for him. The 1000 of good things he has done out weighs the one in my book and the majority of people complaining have made plenty of poor statements that I and many others have witnessed they just didnít text it.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mrknowitall on July 08, 2019, 07:30:11 pm
Have heard the Qb is transferring? Any word
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Oldman on July 08, 2019, 08:48:52 pm
Have heard the Qb is transferring? Any word
Where?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 08, 2019, 10:15:24 pm
From my understanding and reading the rules on transfers it is not possible unless they physically move there. Them physically moving their families there is highly unlikely and those kids will be under a microscope if they try to pull a fast one using a secondary address for athletic purposes and will be turned in quickly. I know there is a volunteer coach that grew up here who trying to get kids to go to a nearby school.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebrafan on July 09, 2019, 12:09:50 am
From my understanding and reading the rules on transfers it is not possible unless they physically move there. Them physically moving their families there is highly unlikely and those kids will be under a microscope if they try to pull a fast one using a secondary address for athletic purposes and will be turned in quickly. I know there is a volunteer coach that grew up here who trying to get kids to go to a nearby school.
And that school is......
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 09, 2019, 08:23:54 am
From my understanding and reading the rules on transfers it is not possible unless they physically move there. Them physically moving their families there is highly unlikely and those kids will be under a microscope if they try to pull a fast one using a secondary address for athletic purposes and will be turned in quickly. I know there is a volunteer coach that grew up here who trying to get kids to go to a nearby school.

My guess Star City or McGehee.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Oldman on July 09, 2019, 08:45:21 am
From my understanding and reading the rules on transfers it is not possible unless they physically move there. Them physically moving their families there is highly unlikely and those kids will be under a microscope if they try to pull a fast one using a secondary address for athletic purposes and will be turned in quickly. I know there is a volunteer coach that grew up here who trying to get kids to go to a nearby school.
Yep the AAA is a force to be reckoned with on enforcing this rule. 
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on July 09, 2019, 09:39:29 am
And that school is......
Well, Robinson, of course...
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 09, 2019, 09:43:12 am
Well, Robinson, of course...

Wouldnít that be hilarious.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on July 09, 2019, 09:54:25 am
Yep the AAA is a force to be reckoned with on enforcing this rule.

the sarcasm drips from this comments in bucket loads.....
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 09, 2019, 10:45:25 am
Dewitt
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on July 09, 2019, 11:30:40 am
Dewitt
Think so? I donít see that working because Courtney has groomed his son for the role of QB, Harris is an athlete but is most dangerous when you have to gameplan against him every snap.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Crossett Eagle on July 09, 2019, 12:45:30 pm
If he transfers I could see him fitting in at McGehee itís close to Dumas and he could turn McGehee into a dangerous team this season.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Oldman on July 09, 2019, 12:57:35 pm
If he transfers I could see him fitting in at McGehee it’s close to Dumas and he could turn McGehee into a dangerous team this season.
Mcgehee is already gonna be a dangerous team. He could turn them into a better team.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on July 09, 2019, 01:33:02 pm
Yep the AAA is a force to be reckoned with on enforcing this rule.
Right! Lol, I too got a laugh out if that long winded mess about the strict transfer rules! Theyíre never enforced.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebrafan on July 09, 2019, 04:52:10 pm
Well, Robinson, of course...
😂😂😂 plus 1!!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Billie Blue on July 09, 2019, 07:04:21 pm
Any word yet if the coach has got fired yet I have heard several rumors but has anything been official yet
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: SUGARTOWN on July 09, 2019, 08:11:26 pm
If they were going to fire him I think they wouldíve already done so. Theyíre just hoping it blows over till practice starts at this point.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 09, 2019, 08:13:37 pm
Being suspended without pay will be back week 3 or 4.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on July 10, 2019, 08:59:30 am
Being suspended without pay will be back week 3 or 4.
It seems the Admins have handled this terribly. Those student athletes deserved to have quick resolution. Either keep him and get him right back with them so he can attempt to make amends or terminate quickly. Instead, this has turned into a slow burning dumpster fire, that will undoubtedly burn for many years. Iím curious if the coach lawyered up, which puts a financial/legal burden on a small school who doesnít feel confident in terminating with what they have in his personnel file. Iím not sure what was best for the players was considered by either party here, sadly.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on July 10, 2019, 07:12:03 pm
Have heard the Qb is transferring? Any word

That might be a risky move if the AAA gets involved...he might miss out on playing his Sr.year. He already has a couple of scholarship offers and alot more schools looking at him....and good performance by him this year could do wonders for his opportunity to play at the next level.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on July 10, 2019, 07:34:29 pm
That might be a risky move if the AAA gets involved...he might miss out on playing his Sr.year. He already has a couple of scholarship offers and alot more schools looking at him....and good performance by him this year could do wonders for his opportunity to play at the next level.
With the way things went down, the AAA nor any other school is going to pursue any penalties against a player who leaves that program. Now, Dumas ďcould,Ē but I think itís clear they are avoiding any further media attention at all costs.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BobKat on July 13, 2019, 09:24:59 am
So our senior boys basketball team was in Drew Central yesterday and one of their players called one of our players a "B***h A** N***a". A fight almost started between the players. Somebody in the bleachers blurts out "They use to being called that "!

This decision to keep this man is very sad for our town because outsiders now think that it is okay to use that word toward our players. Football is just about the biggest thing in every small town with a high school so the head coach is held to high platform. He messed up at a high platform and was allowed to stay so it now has outsiders thinking that since the football coach can say it, then they can too.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on July 13, 2019, 10:08:39 am
So our senior boys basketball team was in Drew Central yesterday and one of their players called one of our players a "B***h A** N***a". A fight almost started between the players. Somebody in the bleachers blurts out "They use to being called that "!

This decision to keep this man is very sad for our town because outsiders now think that it is okay to use that word toward our players. Football is just about the biggest thing in every small town with a high school so the head coach is held to high platform. He messed up at a high platform and was allowed to stay so it now has outsiders thinking that since the football coach can say it, then they can too.
Thatís terrible, I hate it for the students and athletes at Dumas. None of them deserve this. I honestly never thought anything good could come of keeping him on after what happened but didnít even think of them having to deal with things like this as well. Sounds like it may be a safety issue at this point wherever they travel. Admins at schools will have to monitor closely that this type behavior doesnít continue toward the Dumas fans and players.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BobKat on July 13, 2019, 11:07:48 am
And the coach has yet to make an apology. This occurred Friday, May 3rd. I feel like he shouldíve made a public apology before the day was over or at least before the week was over. White members of the community held a rally for him and for us to forgive and forget, but seeing that they are white and the n word has no relation to them, they arenít of any standing to be forgiving to him for they have not been disrespected in anyway, but he failed to even show up to the rally. He shouldíve been on it trying to apologize for his actions to the entire town, especially the black community. He was in hiding and we didnít hear a word from him. He didnít even fight for his job, he didnít have to, thatís the perks of white privilege. Now our young black youth has to reap the consequences. And please donít let one try to retaliate on someone for using this word on them because I donít think the odds would be in our favor. Pray for Dumas.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Mr. Mercer on July 13, 2019, 02:02:00 pm
And the coach has yet to make an apology. This occurred Friday, May 3rd. I feel like he shouldíve made a public apology before the day was over or at least before the week was over. White members of the community held a rally for him and for us to forgive and forget, but seeing that they are white and the n word has no relation to them, they arenít of any standing to be forgiving to him for they have not been disrespected in anyway, but he failed to even show up to the rally. He shouldíve been on it trying to apologize for his actions to the entire town, especially the black community. He was in hiding and we didnít hear a word from him. He didnít even fight for his job, he didnít have to, thatís the perks of white privilege. Now our young black youth has to reap the consequences. And please donít let one try to retaliate on someone for using this word on them because I donít think the odds would be in our favor. Pray for Dumas.

Whatís the school board or Supt had to say publicly? How many kids have decided to transfer? Seems odd because at first there was word of kids wanting him to stay and holding rallies or whatever. Then you hear the QB is leaving, but no definite news on that front.  Seems like the whole story isnít out there and I figure a news station would be all over this (especially in todayís America) until the final decision was made.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 13, 2019, 02:52:52 pm
Whatís the school board or Supt had to say publicly? How many kids have decided to transfer? Seems odd because at first there was word of kids wanting him to stay and holding rallies or whatever. Then you hear the QB is leaving, but no definite news on that front.  Seems like the whole story isnít out there and I figure a news station would be all over this (especially in todayís America) until the final decision was made.

Bingo.

Sounds like to me his lawyer has it until control and he has been advised to keep quiet on the manner.

Everyone in Dumas needs to move on. Get behind the team or file for school choice paperwork. The Supe of Dumas is a good man and if he hasnít fired the man yet, ďthe people of colorĒ need to get behind the district, forgive and move on.

Wouldnít he surprised after these ďstudĒ seniors leave he is gone after this year anyways. Especially if Warren wins conference again. That may be the deal anyways. Finish out the year and find a new job next year. No need to flush the season down the drain with a lame duck intern or replacement. Everyone just needs to calm down.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: ISU7 on July 14, 2019, 08:09:29 am
That might be a risky move if the AAA gets involved...he might miss out on playing his Sr.year. He already has a couple of scholarship offers and alot more schools looking at him....and good performance by him this year could do wonders for his opportunity to play at the next level.
If he doesn't play another down of high school ball, that kid will still play college ball somewhere.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on July 14, 2019, 01:20:33 pm
And the coach has yet to make an apology. This occurred Friday, May 3rd. I feel like he shouldíve made a public apology before the day was over or at least before the week was over. White members of the community held a rally for him and for us to forgive and forget, but seeing that they are white and the n word has no relation to them, they arenít of any standing to be forgiving to him for they have not been disrespected in anyway, but he failed to even show up to the rally. He shouldíve been on it trying to apologize for his actions to the entire town, especially the black community. He was in hiding and we didnít hear a word from him. He didnít even fight for his job, he didnít have to, thatís the perks of white privilege. Now our young black youth has to reap the consequences. And please donít let one try to retaliate on someone for using this word on them because I donít think the odds would be in our favor. Pray for Dumas.
Why should he apologize to the whole town? He needs to make amends to the person he said it to.
If youíre going to start on white privilege, let me borrow your soapbox for a second. Calvin Gragg is black. Mr. Gragg is Penningtonís boss which means a white coach has to answer to a black superintendent. Iím lost on your privilege talking points.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 14, 2019, 01:56:59 pm
Why should be apologize to the whole town? He needs to make amends to the person he said it to.
If youíre going to start on white privilege, let me borrow your soapbox for a second. Calvin Gragg is black. Mr. Gragg is Penningtonís boss which means a white coach has to answer to a black superintendent. Iím lost on your privilege talking points.

Gragg is a good dude! He is black and the Superintendent...with a school board of predominately white members. All that has to be considered. I thought I read the coach had apologized to the kids on the team and adults involved, I'm sure he's been advised not to say much more than that. Lot of this is just rumor but it seems to me the decision not to fire the head coach was made weeks ago. I see nothing wrong suspending him for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Mr. Mercer on July 14, 2019, 02:03:46 pm
Why should be apologize to the whole town? He needs to make amends to the person he said it to.
If youíre going to start on white privilege, let me borrow your soapbox for a second. Calvin Gragg is black. Mr. Gragg is Penningtonís boss which means a white coach has to answer to a black superintendent. Iím lost on your privilege talking points.

This is my thinking as well. Donít get me wrong I think there should of been a change, BUT if the kids and parents are willing to move on, then everyone else should as well. Think those who had little or nothing to do with it are more upset than the kids.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 14, 2019, 02:22:49 pm
This is my thinking as well. Donít get me wrong I think there should of been a change, BUT if the kids and parents are willing to move on, then everyone else should as well. Think those who had little or nothing to do with it are more upset than the kids.

Yep.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BobKat on July 14, 2019, 05:08:21 pm
Bingo.

Sounds like to me his lawyer has it until control and he has been advised to keep quiet on the manner.

Everyone in Dumas needs to move on. Get behind the team or file for school choice paperwork. The Supe of Dumas is a good man and if he hasnít fired the man yet, ďthe people of colorĒ need to get behind the district, forgive and move on.

Wouldnít he surprised after these ďstudĒ seniors leave he is gone after this year anyways. Especially if Warren wins conference again. That may be the deal anyways. Finish out the year and find a new job next year. No need to flush the season down the drain with a lame duck intern or replacement. Everyone just needs to calm down.
What race are you? If you are white, you have no place in telling me to move on. How can we calm down & move on if just recently a WHITE player used the word at one of our players? They feel it is okay to use the word at our players since the football coach can.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BobKat on July 14, 2019, 05:11:47 pm
Gragg is a good dude! He is black and the Superintendent...with a school board of predominately white members. All that has to be considered. I thought I read the coach had apologized to the kids on the team and adults involved, I'm sure he's been advised not to say much more than that. Lot of this is just rumor but it seems to me the decision not to fire the head coach was made weeks ago. I see nothing wrong suspending him for a few weeks.

A superintendent can only recommend someoneís termination. It is then up to the vote of the school board who chose to keep him. Suspension is not enough as this opens our small town to much more seeing that we allow these things. First he said ďi hate n***ersĒ then Drew Central player called one of our players a ďb**** a** n****Ē. Him staying will only lead to it getting worse.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BobKat on July 14, 2019, 05:14:33 pm
This is my thinking as well. Donít get me wrong I think there should of been a change, BUT if the kids and parents are willing to move on, then everyone else should as well. Think those who had little or nothing to do with it are more upset than the kids.
How can I let my child play for someone who hates them? When you make someone mad, however they react, thatís the real them. What would I be teaching my child by letting him play? ďOh son anybody can disrespect you, you can still be their friend and make them look good.Ē 
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: beach bum on July 14, 2019, 05:19:55 pm
Why should he apologize to the whole town? He needs to make amends to the person he said it to.
If youíre going to start on white privilege, let me borrow your soapbox for a second. Calvin Gragg is black. Mr. Gragg is Penningtonís boss which means a white coach has to answer to a black superintendent. Iím lost on your privilege talking points.

That word is not personal... It's a blanket statement about an entire race so it does appear he does need to apologize to more than just that person when he wants to be so ignorant to use a word like that over a text message that can be saved. The fact that we have people on this board still in support of the coach is saddening. I don't care if the sup is white, black, Asian and same goes for the coach. Act like a professional and civilized person when you are in a position of leadership.

I said this in a previous post before also... Just take out the idiocy that he sent that over a text message that can be saved.... But what any teacher or coach will tell you is that the hardest part of their job is dealing with difficult parents. He proved he was incapable of handling those situations professionally even when you take out the racial part of the whole ordeal. This man proved he does not have the character or professionalism to be in a position of leadership plain and simple and to handle difficult situations in a proper manner. I am confused why we still seem to have people defending the coach? I am starting to question the sup in this whole situation cause does the coach have dirt on the district leaders or what cause this seems like a pretty clear cut place where a person should have been terminated but the district literally seems scared in their boots to fire that person.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: beach bum on July 14, 2019, 05:22:15 pm
How can I let my child play for someone who hates them? When you make someone mad, however they react, thatís the real them. What would I be teaching my child by letting him play? ďOh son anybody can disrespect you, you can still be their friend and make them look good.Ē

+1 Ö If you do personally have a son on that team I applaud you if that is the choice you made to not have him play for a person in a leadership position who shows zero abilities to show basic professionalism.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: LionX2 on July 14, 2019, 06:50:05 pm
How can I let my child play for someone who hates them? When you make someone mad, however they react, thatís the real them. What would I be teaching my child by letting him play? ďOh son anybody can disrespect you, you can still be their friend and make them look good.Ē

You could teach him that there are ignorant and bad people in this world but that it shouldnít keep him from doing things that he loves to do.

Not saying that he should or shouldnít play but there is a good lesson to be learned from this predicament
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BobKat on July 14, 2019, 07:18:38 pm
You could teach him that there are ignorant and bad people in this world but that it shouldnít keep him from doing things that he loves to do.

Not saying that he should or shouldnít play but there is a good lesson to be learned from this predicament
I understand but I just feel like heís being used letting someone benefit from his talents when they hate his race.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Mr. Mercer on July 14, 2019, 11:03:05 pm
How can I let my child play for someone who hates them? When you make someone mad, however they react, thatís the real them. What would I be teaching my child by letting him play? ďOh son anybody can disrespect you, you can still be their friend and make them look good.Ē

To be fair Iím not saying you should or shouldnít. I was more saying thereís more to the story that weíre not getting. Do I blame you either way? No. Do I think you should take the risk and transfer I hopes that others show ďmercyĒ because of what happened. heck no. Players are stuck in a tough spot. Hate that for the kids, but I agree with others lessons can be taught from this, but itís 2019 and those lessons shouldnít have to be taught in America in 2019.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 15, 2019, 12:04:17 am
A superintendent can only recommend someoneís termination. It is then up to the vote of the school board who chose to keep him. Suspension is not enough as this opens our small town to much more seeing that we allow these things. First he said ďi hate n***ersĒ then Drew Central player called one of our players a ďb**** a** n****Ē. Him staying will only lead to it getting worse.

You honestly think the only reason that kid from Drew Central called the player from Dumas that name was because the Dumas head coach did? I agree the coach is wrong and he opened himself up to be fired but obviously the school board didn't agree with firing. Your beef now is with your school board as I doubt firing was ever seriously on the table! In the mean time I would NOT let my son or daughter miss playing because of ignorant people and what they say. Hard lesson to learn and one they shouldn't have to learn but the reality of this world is you cannot let other people actions dictate your achievements. I'm not saying teach kids to just grit their teeth and bare it more like grit their teeth and keep fighting! Quitting is not fighting it's just quitting!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: ISU7 on July 15, 2019, 07:41:58 am
You honestly think the only reason that kid from Drew Central called the player from Dumas that name was because the Dumas head coach did? I agree the coach is wrong and he opened himself up to be fired but obviously the school board didn't agree with firing. Your beef should now is with your school board as I doubt firing was ever seriously on the table! In the mean time I would NOT let my son or daughter miss playing because of ignorant people and what they say. Hard lesson to learn and one they shouldn't have to learn but the reality of this world is you cannot let other people actions dictate your achievements. I'm not saying teach kids to just grit their teeth and bare it more like grit their teeth and keep fighting! Quitting is not fighting it's just quitting!
??? How many years do you want people to grit their teeth? SMH. Sad   :(
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 15, 2019, 08:06:07 am
To be fair Iím not saying you should or shouldnít. I was more saying thereís more to the story that weíre not getting. Do I blame you either way? No. Do I think you should take the risk and transfer I hopes that others show ďmercyĒ because of what happened. heck no. Players are stuck in a tough spot. Hate that for the kids, but I agree with others lessons can be taught from this, but itís 2019 and those lessons shouldnít have to be taught in America in 2019.


Racism has been going on since the beginning of time. It just didnít start in 1950. Ask the Jews and Irish and Italians as they were walking off the boats in New York City.

Ignorance is and will always be abundant. You just have to let it fall on deaf ears and move on.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 15, 2019, 08:07:00 am
You honestly think the only reason that kid from Drew Central called the player from Dumas that name was because the Dumas head coach did? I agree the coach is wrong and he opened himself up to be fired but obviously the school board didn't agree with firing. Your beef should now is with your school board as I doubt firing was ever seriously on the table! In the mean time I would NOT let my son or daughter miss playing because of ignorant people and what they say. Hard lesson to learn and one they shouldn't have to learn but the reality of this world is you cannot let other people actions dictate your achievements. I'm not saying teach kids to just grit their teeth and bare it more like grit their teeth and keep fighting! Quitting is not fighting it's just quitting!

Zebra, great post.
(Let that sink in). Lol.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on July 15, 2019, 08:12:22 am
A superintendent can only recommend someoneís termination. It is then up to the vote of the school board who chose to keep him. Suspension is not enough as this opens our small town to much more seeing that we allow these things. First he said ďi hate n***ersĒ then Drew Central player called one of our players a ďb**** a** n****Ē. Him staying will only lead to it getting worse.
Was the player from DC white or black? If he player was white, he should be made to apologize to the Dumas player and the let the DC coach and AD decide his punishment. If the DC player is black, what then?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 15, 2019, 09:08:50 am
??? How many years do you want people to grit their teeth? SMH. Sad   :(

I mean...I could recite some great civil rights quotes and tell you that one day this type of stuff won't happen...it would be a lie but it sure sounds good! Racism is here to stay and I'm not suggesting we raise the white flag and give up on stopping reducing its effects on people. Quitting does nothing but re-enforce those people with that type of mindset. It emboldens them to do more. Not telling anyone how to raise their kids but at the ZD household...we don't quit and we don't run from racism! 
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: lsoprano on July 15, 2019, 11:23:31 am
The kid was white from DC
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on July 15, 2019, 12:03:21 pm
The kid was white from DC
Then that needs to be dealt with by school officials.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on July 15, 2019, 12:10:23 pm
I mean...I could recite some great civil rights quotes and tell you that one day this type of stuff won't happen...it would be a lie but it sure sounds good! Racism is here to stay and I'm not suggesting we raise the white flag and give up on stopping reducing its effects on people. Quitting does nothing but re-enforce those people with that type of mindset. It emboldens them to do more. Not telling anyone how to raise their kids but at the ZD household...we don't quit and we don't run from racism!
This is a great post! By teaching kids life isnít always peachy but having them face tough situations, it will make them adults who will prosper no matter what gets tossed their way.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Trojanbird on July 15, 2019, 01:14:16 pm
Was the player from DC white or black? If he player was white, he should be made to apologize to the Dumas player and the let the DC coach and AD decide his punishment. If the DC player is black, what then?
Exactly!  The word is used by the black community as well. Racism goes both ways in today's world.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Oldman on July 15, 2019, 02:27:55 pm
I mean...I could recite some great civil rights quotes and tell you that one day this type of stuff won't happen...it would be a lie but it sure sounds good! Racism is here to stay and I'm not suggesting we raise the white flag and give up on stopping reducing its effects on people. Quitting does nothing but re-enforce those people with that type of mindset. It emboldens them to do more. Not telling anyone how to raise their kids but at the ZD household...we don't quit and we don't run from racism! 
Outstanding, would give you +1000 if I could
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 16, 2019, 06:16:49 pm
I mean...I could recite some great civil rights quotes and tell you that one day this type of stuff won't happen...it would be a lie but it sure sounds good! Racism is here to stay and I'm not suggesting we raise the white flag and give up on stopping reducing its effects on people. Quitting does nothing but re-enforce those people with that type of mindset. It emboldens them to do more. Not telling anyone how to raise their kids but at the ZD household...we don't quit and we don't run from racism!
There is the saying, "It is not what someone calls you, it is what you answer to that matters."

Kind of what I get from what you are saying.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 25, 2019, 12:30:20 pm
What is the latest on the team?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: SUGARTOWN on July 25, 2019, 12:52:16 pm
What is the latest on the team?

Donít you have a kid on the team?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 25, 2019, 01:03:39 pm
Been really quiet. My son isnít sure who is playing and who isnít. Only thing I know is 2 basketball coaches leading the charge of kids not showing up.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 25, 2019, 01:25:25 pm
Been really quiet. My son isnít sure who is playing and who isnít. Only thing I know is 2 basketball coaches leading the charge of kids not showing up.

Isnít one of the basketball coaches related to one of the studs in the backfield?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on July 25, 2019, 01:45:32 pm
It's really simple.... Show up and Play, or Don't!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on July 25, 2019, 02:05:11 pm
It's really simple.... Show up and Play, or Don't!
Based on the comments here from those close to the situation, it doesnít even appear theyíre having workouts.??
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 25, 2019, 02:52:52 pm
They are playing games, which is the main problem. They are having workouts. Most have showed back up. There is 5 or 6 that nobody is really sure about. Suppose to be a meeting tonight about everything is what my son just told me.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BobKat on July 29, 2019, 08:48:37 am
Been really quiet. My son isnít sure who is playing and who isnít. Only thing I know is 2 basketball coaches leading the charge of kids not showing up.
What basketball coaches because I havenít seen anything from the high school or jr high basketball coaches being posted anywhere? So which ones and how are they leading the charge?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 29, 2019, 10:32:23 am
They are school employees not dumb enough to post anything, but every coach, administrator, and half the community knows where all of this is coming from momma, son coaching duo. I mean they hold meetings at their house. I wish they would just make a decision because school isnít going to budge.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 29, 2019, 10:57:59 am
They are school employees not dumb enough to post anything, but every coach, administrator, and half the community knows where all of this is coming from momma, son coaching duo. I mean they hold meetings at their house. I wish they would just make a decision because school isnít going to budge.

School choice forms/transfers take a while to process especially if itís not a bona Fide move. Iím sure they are waiting on clearance. If the race angle is taken by the family, itís almost guaranteed that he/they will be able to cherry pick where they want to go play this upcoming football season.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on July 29, 2019, 11:11:37 am
School choice forms/transfers take a while to process especially if itís not a bona Fide move. Iím sure they are waiting on clearance. If the race angle is taken by the family, itís almost guaranteed that he/they will be able to cherry pick where they want to go play this upcoming football season.

school choice deadline past several weeks back. by now you either have been approved or denied.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 29, 2019, 11:15:30 am
school choice deadline past several weeks back. by now you either have been approved or denied.

I know how it works. Read what I wrote. There is an exception here that the AAA MAY be reviewing. That exception is racism. They may reviewing for A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on July 29, 2019, 11:19:05 am
I know how it works. Read what I wrote. There is an exception here that the AAA MAY be reviewing. That exception is racism. They may reviewing for A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

ok, i didnt see anything in your post about the AAA.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on July 29, 2019, 11:20:04 am
It is mind boggling how this was handled. Simply promoting an assistant to head coach could have avoided any disruption in the program. Coach could have been reassigned somewhere else. Someone must have dirt on an admin or the school board runs the show there, for this incident to cause such a dumpster fire. Iím betting someone on that board tells the Sup what to do and how to do it.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 29, 2019, 11:21:04 am
ok, i didnt see anything in your post about the AAA.

Yessir. What I was saying this may be an exception type thing.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 29, 2019, 11:23:53 am
It is mind boggling how this was handled. Simply promoting an assistant to head coach could have avoided any disruption in the program. Coach could have been reassigned somewhere else. Someone must have dirt on an admin or the school board runs the show there, for this incident to cause such a dumpster fire. Iím betting someone on that board tells the Sup what to do and how to do it.

I canít imagine anyone telling KG what to do. Especially in a program like Dumas. If we were talking about Nashville, Warren, PA, Greenwood, etc, sure. But we are talking about
Dumas.

What we have here is a team who went to the semis last year and return two electric starters and have a chance to win the 8 and go to the semis again. They know The coach is a good coach and chances of landing another good coach is slim.

Again. My opinion.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 29, 2019, 11:24:27 am
I was told the AAA has denied their request. So now going to be handful of good ball players not playing if their parents choose that. I just believe holding them out will change nothing. Dumas will still have 30 or more players, may not be the best but enough to play.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 29, 2019, 11:25:55 am
I was told the AAA has denied their request. So now going to be handful of good ball players not playing if their parents choose that. I just believe holding them out will change nothing. Dumas will still have 30 or more players, may not be the best but enough to play.

Fair enough. Youíre more involved in the program than I am.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on July 29, 2019, 11:27:45 am
I canít imagine anyone telling KG what to do. Especially in a program like Dumas. If we were talking about Nashville, Warren, PA, Greenwood, etc, sure. But we are talking about
Dumas.

What we have here is a team who went to the semis last year and return two electric starters and have a chance to win the 8 and go to the semis again. They know The coach is a good coach and chances of landing another good coach is slim.

Again. My opinion.
I completely agree. The Sup is supposed to maintain an environment conducive to learning and remove those that create a disruption to that environment. I suspect whoever is preventing him from doing that is on the school board and more interested in that championship ring.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BobKat on July 29, 2019, 11:37:44 am
They are school employees not dumb enough to post anything, but every coach, administrator, and half the community knows where all of this is coming from momma, son coaching duo. I mean they hold meetings at their house. I wish they would just make a decision because school isnít going to budge.
Have you been inside to know what theyíre discussing? If not, then youíre only basing this on thoughts and assumptions. You act like people arenít allowed to gather lol. The son doesnít even be there. Youíre on the outside looking in. And also, I honestly doubt youíre even black lol.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 29, 2019, 11:52:16 am
Sounds like somebody is big time basketball coach supporter and I guess the truth hurts lol. Guess because I think what they are doing makes no sense I canít be a black man?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BobKat on July 29, 2019, 01:26:25 pm
or lol maybe youíre attacking the basketball coaches like theyíre the ones who said the n word... Theyíve done nothing wrong. I couldíve sworn we had the freedom to assemble. But since you claim youíre black and you say itís black meeting, iím sure the coaches wouldnít mind you showing up to the house.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 29, 2019, 01:29:55 pm
I completely agree. The Sup is supposed to maintain an environment conducive to learning and remove those that create a disruption to that environment. I suspect whoever is preventing him from doing that is on the school board and more interested in that championship ring.

Youíre right. But....

Dumas ainít winning state this year.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BobKat on July 29, 2019, 02:06:55 pm
Youíre right. But....

Dumas ainít winning state this year.
lol go Cats!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on July 29, 2019, 02:21:39 pm
I was told the AAA has denied their request. So now going to be handful of good ball players not playing if their parents choose that. I just believe holding them out will change nothing. Dumas will still have 30 or more players, may not be the best but enough to play.

I like the confidence...but if those players don't play dumas can kiss it's state championship chances good bye.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on July 29, 2019, 02:25:10 pm
This whole situation is going to end up in a lawsuit...rather it's against the coach, the school, or the AAA.....its going to get ugly.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 29, 2019, 03:02:09 pm
No doubt without those players we wonít be as good, but what happens end of October and the year is over? Time to get ready for the next season, and only one hurt is those few kids!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 29, 2019, 03:12:39 pm
This whole situation is going to end up in a lawsuit...rather it's against the coach, the school, or the AAA.....its going to get ugly.
On what grounds? A coach said something offensive and was punished for it. No one can point to a single action by the school or coach that has brought actual physical harm or disenfranchisement to a single student. A lawsuit just because you don't like the penalty given the coach will last 10 minutes in a courtroom. 
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Gray lizard on July 29, 2019, 03:14:48 pm
Making the right decisions is a hard thing to do.  Kids rights/coaches rights ends up with the whole situation in a mess. It will not get worked out this season.  It is a shame some kids will miss out, but it will happen.  The possible law suits I fear will not allow for any kind of positive end to this story.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 29, 2019, 03:31:02 pm
I just hate a few of those kids especially QB has a shot at a D-1 scholarship. He is not nearly as talented at basketball so that really limits options.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 29, 2019, 03:34:56 pm
I just hate a few of those kids especially QB has a shot at a D-1 scholarship. He is not nearly as talented at basketball so that really limits options.

Some would argue that if he is true D1 material, D1 would have already found him.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on July 29, 2019, 03:41:25 pm
Some would argue that if he is true D1 material, D1 would have already found him.

That's not always the case...D1 schools across the country know who he is if you follow recruiting at all....schools might just be waiting to see how he performs his Sr.year ... hundreds of players every year get offered D1 scholarships after their senior year
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 29, 2019, 03:44:51 pm
On what grounds? A coach said something offensive and was punished for it. No one can point to a single action by the school or coach that has brought actual physical harm or disenfranchisement to a single student. A lawsuit just because you don't like the penalty given the coach will last 10 minutes in a courtroom. 

There are no grounds for lawsuit here. Unless itís a some sort of civil garbage. But no child has been denied an equal education here or removed from school because of racial inequities. This is about a poor use of language by a head coach and football.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on July 29, 2019, 03:56:04 pm
There are no grounds for lawsuit here. Unless itís a some sort of civil garbage. But no child has been denied an equal education here or removed from school because of racial inequities. This is about a poor use of language by a head coach and football.

I'm no law expert but I'm sure a good lawyer could come up with a lawsuit from this situation....rather it be civil....some type of emotional distress or maybe parents feel the school is not maintaining a safe environment for some students by keeping the coach......or like I said before they could go after the AAA.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Gray lizard on July 29, 2019, 03:58:01 pm
If the coach was terminated. That is where there might be a wrongful termination suit pop up.  It takes a lot to terminate a teacher, but I wish they would consider reassignment to other duties.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on July 29, 2019, 04:02:43 pm
If the coach was terminated. That is where there might be a wrongful termination suit pop up.  It takes a lot to terminate a teacher, but I wish they would consider reassignment to other duties.

Yeap that is true....i just think this situation is going to get ugly before it get any better.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: SUGARTOWN on July 29, 2019, 04:07:53 pm
I just hate a few of those kids especially QB has a shot at a D-1 scholarship. He is not nearly as talented at basketball so that really limits options.

So Harris is not playing?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 29, 2019, 04:29:01 pm
I'm no law expert but I'm sure a good lawyer could come up with a lawsuit from this situation....rather it be civil....some type of emotional distress or maybe parents feel the school is not maintaining a safe environment for some students by keeping the coach......or like I said before they could go after the AAA.
Google 'tort immunity'. You can't just up and sue a school over just anything. School Board members do have some tort immunity.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 29, 2019, 04:33:28 pm
Am I the only one thinking that something is missing to this story? Kid's with big school college potential don't sit our their senior year!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Gray lizard on July 29, 2019, 04:46:04 pm
Am I the only one thinking that something is missing to this story? Kid's with big school college potential don't sit our their senior year!
Yes and big schools do not offer kids that don't play and still have some questions on their ability.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 29, 2019, 05:07:43 pm
I'm no law expert but I'm sure a good lawyer could come up with a lawsuit from this situation....rather it be civil....some type of emotional distress or maybe parents feel the school is not maintaining a safe environment for some students by keeping the coach......or like I said before they could go after the AAA.

Kids are in school for education. Not football. No educational opportunities are being withheld. Even a great lawyer who draws up a great lawsuit would be laughed out of court.

Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: JacketFan on July 29, 2019, 05:30:12 pm
Kids are in school for education. Not football. No educational opportunities are being withheld. Even a great lawyer who draws up a great lawsuit would be laughed out of court.
Exactly, no case here, if the kid is a true D1 athlete, he should play his Sr year.  Not saying what the coach did was right, the school made its decision, get on with it, play your Sr year, show up and show out, play for all the other guys on the line with you, make memories that will last a lifetime.  At the end of the day, the school is not gonna shutdown if you don't play, the football season will not be cancelled, so the only one hurt is the potential D1 athlete, and the exposure he will get throughout the season.  Rant over, sorry guys
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on July 29, 2019, 05:39:00 pm
Kids are in school for education. Not football. No educational opportunities are being withheld. Even a great lawyer who draws up a great lawsuit would be laughed out of court.

What does that have to do with anything I just posted about potential lawsuits? Where did I say anything about football?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 29, 2019, 05:49:14 pm
What does that have to do with anything I just posted about potential lawsuits? Where did I say anything about football?

How is the school unsafe?
What jurisdiction does the AAA really have?
What emotional distress?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on July 29, 2019, 06:01:54 pm
How is the school unsafe?
What jurisdiction does the AAA really have?
What emotional distress?

I have no idea ...i not saying they would win a court case by any means....was just naming random stuff they could possibly file a lawsuit for. The parents could easily say that they don't feel comfortable with the coach being in the school around African American students because of a hateful word he used in a derogatory way. (And by the school choosing not to fire him they are not maintaining a safe environment for the students.) Didn't dumas just have an incident at a basketball camp with another school where players for dumas was called the N-word and the opposing teams fans said they should be use to being called that based on the situation that happened with the coach. That plus the fact that the student in questions will have to see that coach in the school everyday could be grounds for some type of emotional distress or something of that nature......the AAA lawsuit could come into play by them denying players to transfer based on thev situation at hand...... maybe they would get laughed at the courtroom but I'm just trying to give you all the insight on some of the things that could possibly go down.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 29, 2019, 06:10:07 pm
Crazy thing is the QB was closer to Pennington than any other kid on the team. As a parent there is no way my kid would miss his SR year unless the coach was punching him or something lol
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on July 29, 2019, 06:12:18 pm
Crazy thing is the QB was closer to Pennington than any other kid on the team. As a parent there is no way my kid would miss his SR year unless the coach was punching him or something lol

Some people Morals are set different.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BobKat on July 29, 2019, 06:23:24 pm
Crazy thing is the QB was closer to Pennington than any other kid on the team. As a parent there is no way my kid would miss his SR year unless the coach was punching him or something lol
if Pennington really loves the boy and wants him to succeed, he will step down.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 29, 2019, 06:49:58 pm
Or the parent will say my kid is going to do his thing, and get his scholarship. No one is going to take that from my kid.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BobKat on July 29, 2019, 06:51:47 pm
Well have you ever wondered which basketball player was called a b**** a** n**** by the drew central player? Go ask the QB
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 29, 2019, 06:59:55 pm
You honestly think there isnít worse stuff than that said on the field every Friday night across the state? The QB wants to play!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BobKat on July 29, 2019, 07:59:39 pm
Well he ainít playing. The end.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: BobKat on July 29, 2019, 08:01:12 pm
and I honestly canít think of any words that are more hurtful than the n word. Especially towards a ďblack manĒ like you say you are.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on July 29, 2019, 08:33:25 pm
and I honestly canít think of any words that are more hurtful than the n word. Especially towards a ďblack manĒ like you say you are.

It's only hurtful when a white person says it, otherwise black people would not say it to each other and nobody bats an eye. #doublestandards
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 29, 2019, 08:48:36 pm
Football will go on with or without him I just hope his dad doesnít make a giant mistake for his sake.He is a good basketball player , but amazing football player. Kids dad is going to come out saying I stood my ground and his kid going to be playing pick up ball at UAM.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 29, 2019, 09:13:24 pm
Well he ainít playing. The end.

So thatís is confirmed?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 29, 2019, 09:24:01 pm
Most likely not playing I would imagine. Be good time to get young players ready and get them set for future.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 29, 2019, 09:58:43 pm
Latest news I have heard is a push to have Pennington reassigned. Anybody know if that is something they can do? Just out of curriousity why in the H*** to Mr. Gragg put Coach Lewis as Acting HC. Been meaning to ask that for a while but i thought he was more or less a stat keeper and softball coach? My son thought Carter and Amerson may have been in trouble or something was the reason for it.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on July 29, 2019, 10:26:11 pm
It's only hurtful when a white person says it, otherwise black people would not say it to each other and nobody bats an eye. #doublestandards
+1
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on July 29, 2019, 10:27:21 pm
Latest news I have heard is a push to have Pennington reassigned. Anybody know if that is something they can do? Just out of curriousity why in the H*** to Mr. Gragg put Coach Lewis as Acting HC. Been meaning to ask that for a while but i thought he was more or less a stat keeper and softball coach? My son thought Carter and Amerson may have been in trouble or something was the reason for it.
He can absolutely be reassigned. That is one way districts protect themselves and avoid having to outright terminate when they don't feel confident in avoiding a lawsuit from the employee. I've seen coaches reassigned to assistant duties and head groundskeeper for much less than what Pennington did.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on July 29, 2019, 10:34:36 pm
Latest news I have heard is a push to have Pennington reassigned. Anybody know if that is something they can do? Just out of curriousity why in the H*** to Mr. Gragg put Coach Lewis as Acting HC. Been meaning to ask that for a while but i thought he was more or less a stat keeper and softball coach? My son thought Carter and Amerson may have been in trouble or something was the reason for it.
If they don't plan to terminate or reassign, they typically appoint whoever the suspended coach asks to be interim coach.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on July 29, 2019, 10:36:03 pm
I wish the QB would play, would help bring both sides back together I believe.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Winchesterbandit on July 29, 2019, 11:41:35 pm
Just seems a little fishy one of the least qualified coaches on staff appointed to IHC.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 30, 2019, 01:05:31 am
It's only hurtful when a white person says it, otherwise black people would not say it to each other and nobody bats an eye. #doublestandards

I think kids deserve to go to school and participate in extra curricular activities without ADULTS using racial slurs. As for the double standard...wasn't the standard set by whites for that word to be a hurtful? So the question isn't about double standard it's do we want the standard to be the same or change it? As I said earlier, my kid would play and I would not give people with that mindset the satisfaction of running me off. I would add that if it happened again or this was not the first time...I would not just shut up and play ball. The coach would have to go and if not...guess I need to do some soul searching. :-\ 
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: SUGARTOWN on July 30, 2019, 06:39:36 am
It's only hurtful when a white person says it, otherwise black people would not say it to each other and nobody bats an eye. #doublestandards

Itís 2019 and youíre still trying to use this argument? Wow.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on July 30, 2019, 07:05:33 am
And it's not an argument Sugartown  its plain and simple facts. Had the Dumas coach been black and texted to the mother, the mother would have agreed, both laughed and nobody would have ever knew what was said. The real question is why are you still trying to defend that its still not llike that in 2019.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: mr.gametime on July 30, 2019, 07:14:35 am
If you look the word up in the Webster's dictionary, it says NOTHING ABOUT COLOR, I personally know "N" word people of all races. It's not a color thing, its person thing.

And it's not an argument Sugartown  its plain and simple facts. Had the Dumas coach been black and texted to the mother, the mother would have agreed, both laughed and nobody would have ever knew what was said. The real question is why are you still trying to defend that its still not llike that in 2019.

And if you look up the word B****  in the dictionary all it is .,,is a female dog....but I'm sure if a coach text your phone referring to your child as that ...you would have a problem with it and probably ready to throw some blows.... at least you would if you are half the man I think you are.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: SUGARTOWN on July 30, 2019, 07:26:55 am
If you look the word up in the Webster's dictionary, it says NOTHING ABOUT COLOR, I personally know "N" word people of all races. It's not a color thing, its person thing.

And it's not an argument Sugartown  its plain and simple facts. Had the Dumas coach been black and texted to the mother, the mother would have agreed, both laughed and nobody would have ever knew what was said. The real question is why are you still trying to defend that its still not llike that in 2019.

Itís simple. White people cannot use that word. Ever. No ďwhat-aboutĒ this or ďwhat aboutĒ that. Iím shocked that there are still adults who donít realize this.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 30, 2019, 07:44:11 am
If you look the word up in the Webster's dictionary, it says NOTHING ABOUT COLOR, I personally know "N" word people of all races. It's not a color thing, its person thing.

And it's not an argument Sugartown  its plain and simple facts. Had the Dumas coach been black and texted to the mother, the mother would have agreed, both laughed and nobody would have ever knew what was said. The real question is why are you still trying to defend that its still not llike that in 2019.

Not sure what dictionary you are using but the FACT is the word was invented and it's use for the soul purpose to being negative toward Black people originally.

My advice to you since you seem offended that you can't use the word without repercussions is to go ahead use it. Stand up for your rights! Yeah fair is fair! It's time your voice and voices like yours to be heard.   
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on July 30, 2019, 07:57:53 am
Not sure what dictionary you are using but the FACT is the word was invented and it's use for the soul purpose to being negative toward Black people originally.

My advice to you since you seem offended that you can't use the word without repercussions is to go ahead use it. Stand up for your rights! Yeah fair is fair! It's time your voice and voices like yours to be heard.

I can assure you, if I felt the need to use it, I would.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on July 30, 2019, 07:58:47 am
Itís simple. White people cannot use that word. Ever. No ďwhat-aboutĒ this or ďwhat aboutĒ that. Iím shocked that there are still adults who donít realize this.

Like I said double standards and black folk call white folks the racist ones. It goes both ways.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: SUGARTOWN on July 30, 2019, 08:04:41 am
Like I said double standards and black folk call white folks the racist ones. It goes both ways.

Yeah, it sucks for you I guess. Life is just not fair.  :'(
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on July 30, 2019, 08:09:08 am
Yeah, it sucks for you I guess. Life is just not fair.  :'(

naw, my life is great. life is what you make it, and im making the most of it.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on July 30, 2019, 08:12:28 am
excuse my ignorance, i see they have now updated the meaning of the word, to have 2 or 3 meanings.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: cat24 on July 30, 2019, 09:42:26 am
Like I said double standards and black folk call white folks the racist ones. It goes both ways.
So say youíre out with your wife and you call her ďhoneyĒ, then someone else walks up to her and calls her ďhoneyĒ. How would you feel? Can you be mad? You call her honey too so why canít they? Thatís a example of double standard according to you.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Pick_DA_EAGLES on July 30, 2019, 10:00:30 am
So say youíre out with your wife and you call her ďhoneyĒ, then someone else walks up to her and calls her ďhoneyĒ. How would you feel? Can you be mad? You call her honey too so why canít they? Thatís a example of double standard according to you.

we are not talking about a one on one, we are discussing how its ok for one race to say something (and in my opinion black folk shouldnt say it either, sense its "so offensive") and another its not.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 10:14:14 am
Sticks and stones can break my bones but words will never hurt me
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: cat24 on July 30, 2019, 11:19:29 am
we are not talking about a one on one, we are discussing how its ok for one race to say something (and in my opinion black folk shouldnt say it either, sense its "so offensive") and another its not.
it is one on one. one race on one race. 
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: beach bum on July 30, 2019, 11:55:29 am
Itís simple. White people cannot use that word. Ever. No ďwhat-aboutĒ this or ďwhat aboutĒ that. Iím shocked that there are still adults who donít realize this.

+1
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 12:31:31 pm
Itís simple. White people cannot use that word. Ever. No ďwhat-aboutĒ this or ďwhat aboutĒ that. Iím shocked that there are still adults who donít realize this.
America has freedom of speech as listed in Bill of Rights. Anyone can use any word any time they wish. I not condoning this kind of talking but no race is outlawed from saying what they wish until the constitution is changed. There is not list of words that are against the law by race. If you don't like the word you shouldn't use it.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Gray lizard on July 30, 2019, 12:35:24 pm
So say youíre out with your wife and you call her ďhoneyĒ, then someone else walks up to her and calls her ďhoneyĒ. How would you feel? Can you be mad? You call her honey too so why canít they? Thatís a example of double standard according to you.
That is not even close to the same situation. I never use the word due to the fact I know how it is perceived by black people.  I have to admit it really bothers me when I hear black people use it to each other.
If white people reacted the same to the term RED NECK. Just imagine how many would lose their job.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 30, 2019, 12:39:00 pm
we are not talking about a one on one, we are discussing how its ok for one race to say something (and in my opinion black folk shouldnt say it either, sense its "so offensive") and another its not.

I'd be willing to give coach a pass (well at least keep an open mind) if coach was using it like so many of these rap songs. In the context he allegedly used it there was no doubt he meant it in a negative way. But let's not get in the weeds here, the main reason he is in hot water was because as the ADULT and the person in charge of youth he said something that he shouldn't have. As a person in a leadership role, there are lots of words you can't use not just the "N" word. So he's in trouble for using inappropriate language PERIOD. It's misleading to suggest otherwise.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 30, 2019, 12:42:36 pm
America has freedom of speech as listed in Bill of Rights. Anyone can use any word any time they wish. I not condoning this kind of talking but no race is outlawed from saying what they wish until the constitution is changed. There is not list of words that are against the law by race. If you don't like the word you shouldn't use it.

So if a coach or teacher comes to class wearing a Swastika he should be free to do so without repercussion?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: SUGARTOWN on July 30, 2019, 12:47:40 pm
America has freedom of speech as listed in Bill of Rights. Anyone can use any word any time they wish. I not condoning this kind of talking but no race is outlawed from saying what they wish until the constitution is changed. There is not list of words that are against the law by race. If you don't like the word you shouldn't use it.

Freedom of speech, yes, but not freedom from repercussions from that speech. If your boss doesn't like the words you're using you can be fired for it. It's always been this way.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 30, 2019, 12:53:26 pm
I'd be willing to give coach a pass (well at least keep an open mind) if coach was using it like so many of these rap songs. In the context he allegedly used it there was no doubt he meant it in a negative way. But let's not get in the weeds here, the main reason he is in hot water was because as the ADULT and the person in charge of youth he said something that he shouldn't have. As a person in a leadership role, there are lots of words you can't use not just the "N" word. So he's in trouble for using inappropriate language PERIOD. It's misleading to suggest otherwise.

I just donít agree with that either. The connotation and perception of the word is concrete no matter what race of people is using it.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: RabAlumni on July 30, 2019, 12:54:55 pm
Freedom of speech, yes, but not freedom from repercussions from that speech. If your boss doesn't like the words you're using you can be fired for it. It's always been this way.


Arkansas is an at-will employment state anyways so really Dumas isn't concerned about the context that was used other than the suspension the Coach was given, but honestly let's take a look at the players he will be coaching?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: cat24 on July 30, 2019, 01:05:28 pm
That is not even close to the same situation. I never use the word due to the fact I know how it is perceived by black people.  I have to admit it really bothers me when I hear black people use it to each other.
If white people reacted the same to the term RED NECK. Just imagine how many would lose their job.
How is not the same? I broke it down to. similar situation. Letís break it down some more then. Say youíre in a fraternity or sorority and your particular organization is known for doing and calling each other certain things and someone calls you that as well. You feel disrespected because they havenít gone through what youíve been through to earn the right to say that.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: jbradley044 on July 30, 2019, 01:09:19 pm
 ::)
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Romeo on July 30, 2019, 02:02:45 pm
Bottom line: any coach, teacher, or administrator that says or does something that compromises the integrity of the classroom environment or trust of the taxpaying citizens of that district is subject to termination. There was a superintendent last year from Texas that made a disparaging racial remark on Facebook about Deshaun Watson, the Houston Texas QB, after a loss. Whether you agree with his comments or not, he compromised the trust of the citizens of his district. He resigned. If a school employee made a racial or derogatory comment on social media, they should be subject suspension or termination. If an employee was found to have made an adult film in the past and it spread around school, that compromises the integrity of the classroom environment. They should be fired. This has nothing to do with black people using the N word. This has everything to do with a school employee who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar making a racial text that was likely meant to be seen by someone else. He's being held accountable for his actions.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 30, 2019, 02:16:13 pm
Bottom line: any coach, teacher, or administrator that says or does something that compromises the integrity of the classroom environment or trust of the taxpaying citizens of that district is subject to termination. There was a superintendent last year from Texas that made a disparaging racial remark on Facebook about Deshaun Watson, the Houston Texas QB, after a loss. Whether you agree with his comments or not, he compromised the trust of the citizens of his district. He resigned. If a school employee made a racial or derogatory comment on social media, they should be subject suspension or termination. If an employee was found to have made an adult film in the past and it spread around school, that compromises the integrity of the classroom environment. They should be fired. This has nothing to do with black people using the N word. This has everything to do with a school employee who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar making a racial text that was likely meant to be seen by someone else. He's being held accountable for his actions.

EXACTLY! Stop playing these school yard games. As an adult he knew full dang well how that word or any other inappropriate word or actions can be considered by his employer as a bad reflection on the school district. He's not the victim!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: cat24 on July 30, 2019, 02:28:11 pm
Bottom line: any coach, teacher, or administrator that says or does something that compromises the integrity of the classroom environment or trust of the taxpaying citizens of that district is subject to termination. There was a superintendent last year from Texas that made a disparaging racial remark on Facebook about Deshaun Watson, the Houston Texas QB, after a loss. Whether you agree with his comments or not, he compromised the trust of the citizens of his district. He resigned. If a school employee made a racial or derogatory comment on social media, they should be subject suspension or termination. If an employee was found to have made an adult film in the past and it spread around school, that compromises the integrity of the classroom environment. They should be fired. This has nothing to do with black people using the N word. This has everything to do with a school employee who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar making a racial text that was likely meant to be seen by someone else. He's being held accountable for his actions.
Yes!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 02:55:32 pm
So if a coach or teacher comes to class wearing a Swastika he should be free to do so without repercussion?
That's not his or her's right as an employee but their right as an American
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 30, 2019, 02:58:43 pm
That's not his or her's right as an employee but their right as an American
There's a little thing called a contract that says you can't. It says you agree to follow the certified policies of the district you are entering contract with and you can't just do what you want to do.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: athletic supporter on July 30, 2019, 03:00:44 pm
As Herm Edwards says' "Type it, read it, DON'T HIT SEND, and then delete it". I have people I get upset with all the time. I've typed out a text then deleted it instead of sending it. NEVER TEXT ANYTHING WHEN YOU'RE EMOTIONAL!!! Good, bad, or indifferent.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 30, 2019, 03:09:23 pm
As Herm Edwards says' "Type it, read it, DON'T HIT SEND, and then delete it". I have people I get upset with all the time. I've typed out a text then deleted it instead of sending it. NEVER TEXT ANYTHING WHEN YOU'RE EMOTIONAL!!! Good, bad, or indifferent.

This.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 03:14:30 pm
Freedom of speech, yes, but not freedom from repercussions from that speech. If your boss doesn't like the words you're using you can be fired for it. It's always been this way.
I'm not trying to defend the fact  he should have been let go! I'm defending his right as an American to say what he wants. If anyone reading this has never said something they regret they are lying to themselves. I'm sure he wishes he had never said it but that does not make him less liable for what was said. All sins are equal which means his sin of a loose mouth is no more than anyone hating him for what he said. You will be judged in this time or another. It is not our job to judge him or give ultimatums. America might not be great but it's the best thing going and if you don't respect that you should probably leave!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 03:16:31 pm
There's a little thing called a contract that says you can't. It says you agree to follow the certified policies of the district you are entering contract with and you can't just do what you want to do.
That would be as an employee not an American
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Romeo on July 30, 2019, 03:17:12 pm
People that like to make the first amendment argument when it comes to this type of stuff should read what the first amendment actually says.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 30, 2019, 03:19:30 pm
That's not his or her's right as an employee but their right as an American

Since when? It is beyond naive to think or say that in America you can do or say whatever you want. Sounds great but has NEVER been true!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: SUGARTOWN on July 30, 2019, 03:28:34 pm
People that like to make the first amendment argument when it comes to this type of stuff should read what the first amendment actually says.

That would be too much to ask..
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 03:29:02 pm
People that like to make the first amendment argument when it comes to this type of stuff should read what the first amendment actually says.
I have
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 30, 2019, 03:30:27 pm
That would be as an employee not an American
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN EMPLOYEE! No clue what you are talking about.

This whole mess is simple. An employee did a very stupid thing. His employer disciplined him for it and some are not happy with that discipline. A few of those unhappy are deciding what they will do about it. The rest of us are on the outside speculating like we really know what is going on.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 03:32:39 pm
Since when? It is beyond naive to think or say that in America you can do or say whatever you want. Sounds great but has NEVER been true!

I like to think it's been true since 1791
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 30, 2019, 03:39:21 pm
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN EMPLOYEE! No clue what you are talking about.

This whole mess is simple. An employee did a very stupid thing. His employer disciplined him for it and some are not happy with that discipline. A few of those unhappy are deciding what they will do about it. The rest of us are on the outside speculating like we really know what is going on.

The supe of Dumas is a stand up guy. If the discipline is good enough for him, then it should be good enough for the rest of Dumas.

I stand by my prediction. He finishes out this year at Dumas and after the season is over, he is gone. This will be nothing more than a grown man drama fest dream.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 03:42:49 pm
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN EMPLOYEE! No clue what you are talking about.

This whole mess is simple. An employee did a very stupid thing. His employer disciplined him for it and some are not happy with that discipline. A few of those unhappy are deciding what they will do about it. The rest of us are on the outside speculating like we really know what is going on.
I'm not saying he should not have been disciplined for his words. I'm saying that someone made the statement that white people couldn't say a certain word and it was okay for black people to say. If the word is bad no one should say it. Sorry you could not understand what I was trying to say Eddie. I'll try to be more clear with my words.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 30, 2019, 03:43:37 pm
The supe of Dumas is a stand up guy. If the discipline is good enough for him, then it should be good enough for the rest of Dumas.

I stand by my prediction. He finishes out this year at Dumas and after the season is over, he is gone. This will be nothing more than a grown man drama fest dream.
If this was acceptable to Mr Gragg, who am I to say otherwise.

You are probably right.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 03:45:27 pm
The supe of Dumas is a stand up guy. If the discipline is good enough for him, then it should be good enough for the rest of Dumas.

I stand by my prediction. He finishes out this year at Dumas and after the season is over, he is gone. This will be nothing more than a grown man drama fest dream.
I also agree with this
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 30, 2019, 03:48:18 pm
I'm not saying he should not have been disciplined for his words. I'm saying that someone made the statement that white people couldn't say a certain word and it was okay for black people to say. If the word is bad no one should say it. Sorry you could not understand what I was trying to say Eddie. I'll try to be more clear with my words.
This discussion needs to stay out of the weeds over the use of that word in everyday life and remain on this particular matter. We are not going to allow the usual back and forth of a discussion that always devolves into the same argument with no hope for convincing anyone their position is wrong.

I may clean up this thread if this line of posts continues. Not going to have this discussion here. It serves zero purpose and accomplishes nothing.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 04:01:24 pm
This discussion needs to stay out of the weeds over the use of that word in everyday life and remain on this particular matter. We are not going to allow the usual back and forth of a discussion that always devolves into the same argument with no hope for convincing anyone their position is wrong.

I may clean up this thread if this line of posts continues. Not going to have this discussion here. It serves zero purpose and accomplishes nothing.
I understand your concern
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on July 30, 2019, 04:04:17 pm
This discussion needs to stay out of the weeds over the use of that word in everyday life and remain on this particular matter. We are not going to allow the usual back and forth of a discussion that always devolves into the same argument with no hope for convincing anyone their position is wrong.

I may clean up this thread if this line of posts continues. Not going to have this discussion here. It serves zero purpose and accomplishes nothing.

This exchange is a perfect example of the fact you can't just say or type what you want, regardless of what the constitution may say, either in a forum or as a public employee.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 30, 2019, 04:11:24 pm
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN EMPLOYEE! No clue what you are talking about.

This whole mess is simple. An employee did a very stupid thing. His employer disciplined him for it and some are not happy with that discipline. A few of those unhappy are deciding what they will do about it. The rest of us are on the outside speculating like we really know what is going on.

Exactly! Obvious there are some things going on we don't know about. What we know for sure is that an employee said something that violates the employee conduct code that EVERY teacher should know and therefor subject to discipline.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Gray lizard on July 30, 2019, 04:12:51 pm
This exchange is a perfect example of the fact you can't just say or type what you want, regardless of what the constitution may say, either in a forum or as a public employee.
Sure you can, but you might go poof and be gone for good.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on July 30, 2019, 04:14:25 pm
Sure you can, but you might go poof and be gone for good.
good point!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 30, 2019, 04:15:42 pm

I like to think it's been true since 1791

I am old but Eddie is the only one I know was here when all that went down!  ;D But I think he will tell you regardless of what it says...in practice never has been true. You have the right to free speech but not the right to speak freely!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 30, 2019, 04:16:30 pm
Exactly! Obvious there are some things going on we don't know about. What we know for sure is that an employee said something that violates the employee conduct code that EVERY teacher should know and therefore subject to discipline.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 04:35:55 pm
I am old but Eddie is the only one I know was here when all that went down!  ;D But I think he will tell you regardless of what it says...in practice never has been true. You have the right to free speech but not the right to speak freely!
Very sad you feel that way I still believe but understand how people have forgotten what this country was founded on. I'm getting old too
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Oldman on July 30, 2019, 04:44:38 pm

I like to think it's been true since 1791
I feel dumber every time I read one of your posts. Sticks and stones.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on July 30, 2019, 04:46:36 pm
If we start firing people(school employees) for what we deem offensive, letís go back a couple years back and let those LR coaches who knelt during the National Anthem go also. What they did was offensive to a large group of people so by those parameters that requires unemployment.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 04:48:26 pm
I feel dumber every time I read one of your posts. Sticks and stones.
Thanks
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: cat24 on July 30, 2019, 05:41:14 pm
If we start firing people(school employees) for what we deem offensive, letís go back a couple years back and let those LR coaches who knelt during the National Anthem go also. What they did was offensive to a large group of people so by those parameters that requires unemployment.
This is not the same. The n word is way more harsh and hurtful than people kneeling during a song.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 30, 2019, 05:43:02 pm
If we start firing people(school employees) for what we deem offensive, letís go back a couple years back and let those LR coaches who knelt during the National Anthem go also. What they did was offensive to a large group of people so by those parameters that requires unemployment.

What do you mean start firing.... There was a time when teachers were let go if they became pregnant and weren't married! Over the years what is considered "Offensive Conduct" has change but the idea of disciplinary action for offensive conduct has been around since before any of us on here were born.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 30, 2019, 05:46:52 pm
Very sad you feel that way I still believe but understand how people have forgotten what this country was founded on. I'm getting old too

It's easy to think that way because the people that "founded" this country didn't practice it! People were tar and feathered and hung for saying the wrong things back then.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Eddie Goodson on July 30, 2019, 05:47:59 pm
What do you mean start firing.... There was a time when teachers were let go if they became pregnant and weren't married! Over the years what is considered "Offensive Conduct" has change but the idea of disciplinary action for offensive conduct has been around since before any of us on here were born.
And then we elected a bunch of people to the state legislature and they have, over the years, made it very difficult to fire a teacher except in very very limited circumstances.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: KASH dba The Lumberjack on July 30, 2019, 05:54:07 pm
This is not the same. The n word is way more harsh and hurtful than people kneeling during a song.
Itís totally the same, I canít say what should or shouldnít offend you and vice versa.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 06:04:20 pm
It's easy to think that way because the people that "founded" this country didn't practice it! People were tar and feathered and hung for saying the wrong things back then.
Was then and still is the best country in the world. If you don't believe that I invite you to move
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 06:06:06 pm
This is not the same. The n word is way more harsh and hurtful than people kneeling during a song.
It's more than a song to me
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 30, 2019, 06:14:50 pm
This is not the same. The n word is way more harsh and hurtful than people kneeling during a song.

Highly disagree.

You respect this country. Regardless of its flaws this is the greatest country on earth and as an American you respect it. If not, holler at me and Iíll personally buy you a ticket to the 3rd world...heck even ANY country of your choice to stake claim in if you think itís better out there.

Heck Iím still waiting on Samuel L jackson and many other celebrities to leave like they said they would if DT was elected. Yet here we are, sucking the freedom dry while being setback.

Like ole DT said, leave. Youíre free to leave. You can stay whatever. But if you hate it here, leave. Donít let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: zebradynasty on July 30, 2019, 06:21:20 pm
Was then and still is the best country in the world. If you don't believe that I invite you to move

If I did believed that there is absolutely no reason I should move and you any right to suggest that I should move. Seems your willing to violate the very thing you claimed you believed!
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: beach bum on July 30, 2019, 06:34:51 pm
If everything is true about what happened the coach is a loser who doesn't know how to handle himself professionally... Plain and simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise is out of their mind. I am not getting in the overall race debate you all are having but keeping it to this particular situation.... Simply the guy proved he can not handle tough interactions with parents and he is not fit to handle the position he is in. Being a head coach at a school is a lot more than just the coaching. You people have turned this into more than it is instead of keeping it about this particular situation. Again if all of what happened did in fact happen then Dumas is a joke for keeping this guy employed.

What other place of employment could you talk about a coworker like that plus make blanketing, generalized statements about a group of any kind in a derogatory way and not be fired? I sure don't know of a whole lot.... Not having the overall debate, but keeping it to this situation at hand if all true can one of you really say he should not have been fired? Honestly? Do we not expect more of people in leadership positions anymore or what, and especially someone in charge of leading kids who still have a developing mind? It's become disheartening how little integrity we ask people in leadership positions to show anymore....
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Hasbeen92 on July 30, 2019, 06:44:01 pm
If I did believed that there is absolutely no reason I should move and you any right to suggest that I should move. Seems your willing to violate the very thing you claimed you believed!
What?
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: cat24 on July 30, 2019, 06:48:32 pm
Highly disagree.

You respect this country. Regardless of its flaws this is the greatest country on earth and as an American you respect it. If not, holler at me and Iíll personally buy you a ticket to the 3rd world...heck even ANY country of your choice to stake claim in if you think itís better out there.

Heck Iím still waiting on Samuel L jackson and many other celebrities to leave like they said they would if DT was elected. Yet here we are, sucking the freedom dry while being setback.

Like ole DT said, leave. Youíre free to leave. You can stay whatever. But if you hate it here, leave. Donít let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
You get what you give. You have to respect others to be respected. People kneel during the anthem to call attention to the issues of racial inequality and police brutality. Why stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. Youíve never been in my shoes. Youíve never missed out on opportunities or treated unfairly because of the color of your skin. You donít and never will know the struggle.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Romeo on July 30, 2019, 06:51:44 pm
Highly disagree.

You respect this country. Regardless of its flaws this is the greatest country on earth and as an American you respect it. If not, holler at me and Iíll personally buy you a ticket to the 3rd world...heck even ANY country of your choice to stake claim in if you think itís better out there.

Heck Iím still waiting on Samuel L jackson and many other celebrities to leave like they said they would if DT was elected. Yet here we are, sucking the freedom dry while being setback.

Like ole DT said, leave. Youíre free to leave. You can stay whatever. But if you hate it here, leave. Donít let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

Can you hook me up with tickets to Cabo? I gotta go down there and knock some sense to Zeke.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: Sigmund Sauer on July 30, 2019, 06:53:13 pm
If everything is true about what happened the coach is a loser who doesn't know how to handle himself professionally... Plain and simple. Anyone who thinks otherwise is out of their mind. I am not getting in the overall race debate you all are having but keeping it to this particular situation.... Simply the guy proved he can not handle tough interactions with parents and he is not fit to handle the position he is in. Being a head coach at a school is a lot more than just the coaching. You people have turned this into more than it is instead of keeping it about this particular situation. Again if all of what happened did in fact happen then Dumas is a joke for keeping this guy employed.

What other place of employment could you talk about a coworker like that plus make blanketing, generalized statements about a group in a derogatory way and not be fired? I sure don't know of a whole lot.... Not having the overall debate, but keeping it to this situation at hand if all true can one of you really say he should not have been fired? Honestly? Do we not expect more of people in leadership positions anymore or what and especially someone in charge of leading kids who still have a developed mind? It's become disheartening how little integrity we ask people in leadership positions to show anymore....
This! Every bit of it! +100000
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 30, 2019, 07:03:30 pm
Can you hook me up with tickets to Cabo? I gotta go down there and knock some sense to Zeke.

Youíre from Warren. I would never send you to Mexico.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: AirWarren on July 30, 2019, 07:05:28 pm
You get what you give. You have to respect others to be respected. People kneel during the anthem to call attention to the issues of racial inequality and police brutality. Why stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. Youíve never been in my shoes. Youíve never missed out on opportunities or treated unfairly because of the color of your skin. You donít and never will know the struggle.

Yawn. Youíre talking to a first generation son of an immigrant.

This country has set you up for success. The lowest hanging fruit in the world. Just gotta reach up and grab it. Success and hard work sees no color.

Like I said. See your way out if you feel slighted. Hear Moscow has amazing human rights.
Title: Re: Dumas
Post by: B.G. on July 30, 2019, 08:30:26 pm
In after the lock!   :)

Old school FF broke out and I stayed out of this all the way.

I have a ton of opinions that I will not share on the matter and the diversion.

Love the compassion but as Eddie said this just isn't the place for the chat.

FYI, I didn't lock this and you need not restart the conversation. Everyone is safe to this point. :)