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Title: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on December 06, 2017, 01:49:46 pm
I posted this in the 2017 outlook. But it is time to turn the page. To 2018.



Surely people that know the slightest bit about football can find some positive in this guy........

1. Great record as a high school coach in 4a Texas. Including 3 state titles.
2. Great record as OC at Tulsa.
3. AMAZING record as OC at Clemson. Including bowl wins, BCS BOWL BIRTH. He also played a huge role in getting Deshawn Watson. If you donít know who that is then youíre an idiot.
4. Mediocre record at SMU. HOWEVER, SMU is a Vanderbilt. With Vanderbilt standards. Also, it may be decades ago Now, but they received the DEATH PENALTY as a program and have never recuperated. And the power of Texas shifted and they could never keep up.
5. He knows the south and itís recruiting hot beds. And he is a big name in Texas. We need Texas athletes even if itís ďleftoversĒ from other Texas schools.
6. He runs power spread. Dual threat QBs with an emphasis in a strong run game.


He is not BP and he isn't a big name hire like BB was.....but isn't he what Arkansas fans been crying about for years now....speed.....spread.....athletes......and here we are and it's not good enough.

Take a look at the top name coaches who run those offenses.
1. Mike Leach-Washington state. Why would he come here? And how is he much better than a Chad Morris.
2. Lane Kiffin- A coach that has ran with his tail tucked after one year in the SEC, has been fired from two other jobs and has turned around FIU.....FIU!!! Who do they even play, CUTTER MORNING STAR???
3. Mike Norvell- But but but he has Arkansas connections and his wife is from Arkansas. Who cares. He is a texas guy who happened to play small time ball at UCA and he married an Arkansas girl. Tell me how that screams he has some special Arkansas Connection. Never sold on him.
4. Chris Petersen- West coast guy who has a pipeline to California recruits. Not going to touch a regionally confused team like Arkansas who doesn't know if it's Midwest or Southern.
5. Kevin Sumlin- He just left TAMU. A team who recruits Houston and texas well. He cant find a QB. He never won the big game. IN TEXAS. Why would anyone want him.
6. Les Miles- Gag.
7. Mike Gundy- He has 56 players on his roster from texas, has Boone Pickens Oil Money to back him, and he is a perennial winner. Why would he leave there to come here? He has figured out the Texas pipeline and it is working for him in his offense.
8. Skip Holtz- you people gotta be kidding me.
9. Brent Venables- the main is getting paid 1.5mil$ as an assistant and he doesn't have the headache Dabo does......why ON EARTH would he attempt to inherit the dumpster fire at Arkansas?


Look, I am not overly thrilled. But we gotta give the man a chance. At least you know exciting football will be back. AND HE HAS TEXAS CONNECTIONS. We have to have Texas kids to win in the SEC.



My top choice was none of these. I thought we should have thrown the cash at Bob Stoops. But hey, who asked me.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sevenof400 on December 06, 2017, 02:04:54 pm
IMO - the thing about Arkansas is they need to walk before they run.  They are not (and never have been) a power in the SEC which to me means the methods they have used until now have been unsuccessful in attaining the goal of being competitive in the SEC, and then successful on a wider scale.

Arkansas could not and can not out-Alabama Alabama and it was folly to believe they could. 

Arkansas must find a different offensive approach - hopefully one no one else in the conference uses - and exploit this for all it is worth.   

 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on December 06, 2017, 02:06:49 pm
IMO - the thing about Arkansas is they need to walk before they run.  They are not (and never have been) a power in the SEC which to me means the methods they have used until now have been unsuccessful in attaining the goal of being competitive in the SEC, and then successful on a wider scale.

Arkansas could not and can not out-Alabama Alabama and it was folly to believe they could. 

Arkansas must find a different offensive approach - hopefully one no one else in the conference uses - and exploit this for all it is worth.   

 

If he get's us looking like Clemson....or at least somewhat like Clemson......I will be thrilled.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: cuckoobird on December 06, 2017, 02:54:50 pm
Having a different approach was the biggest reason I was a kevin kelly fan for the job. I know, I know, everyone says his approach wonít work in big time college football. Iím sure the same was said and still being said it wonít work in hs football either just like they are still saying analytics wonít work in Major League Baseball even though Boston and Oakland has proved them wrong. Iím willing to give the new guy a shot for a few years but after year 3 when I say it isnít working, yíall better believe me this time unlike you did with BB 😜
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on December 06, 2017, 03:56:20 pm
Having a different approach was the biggest reason I was a kevin kelly fan for the job. I know, I know, everyone says his approach won’t work in big time college football. I’m sure the same was said and still being said it won’t work in hs football either just like they are still saying analytics won’t work in Major League Baseball even though Boston and Oakland has proved them wrong. I’m willing to give the new guy a shot for a few years but after year 3 when I say it isn’t working, y’all better believe me this time unlike you did with BB 😜

Bret just didn't understand the region. This aint the Midwest with cornfed folks. You gotta recruit speed. Not sloths.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 06, 2017, 04:23:02 pm
Morris has hit the ground running in recruiting. We will see how it pays off. And truthfully some good looking recruits with long offer lists. Some long shots but he put the offers on the table.

So we will find out
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on December 06, 2017, 04:39:54 pm
BOHANON TO BURKS........................................ .....TOUCHDOWN ARKANSAS!!!!!!!


*music to my ears.....
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on December 06, 2017, 05:20:54 pm
Every eye in Arkansas will be watching what happens next.  First step is recruiting and we need a lot of new recruits.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Romeo on December 06, 2017, 05:27:17 pm
BOHANON TO BURKS........................................ .....TOUCHDOWN ARKANSAS!!!!!!!


*music to my ears.....

Treylon has established a good relationship with Barry Lunney, which could hurt Arkansas if he's not retained. However, Morris's offensive style might be intriguing to Burks.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on December 06, 2017, 07:19:04 pm
BOHANON TO BURKS........................................ .....TOUCHDOWN ARKANSAS!!!!!!!


*music to my ears.....
Yes it is! Iím not totally thrilled about either of the hires but Iíve always believe in giving people a chance. Like you said along with what Iíve been telling those close to me, I would have been contacting Stoops. Just to see the look on Saban and the OU fans face would have been priceless.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 06, 2017, 08:27:01 pm
Supposedly Bohannon is secretly committed to LSU. Maybe we can still get him. Would be nice for him to have a shot here. Heís got all the tools but would need the right coach.

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/morris-we-like-to-score-fast/

Here is a little interview
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 06, 2017, 08:30:04 pm
And look up Grant Gunnell. QB who may considering us now since Morris got hired.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on December 07, 2017, 10:04:06 am
Morris has had a really impressive climb in the coaching profession. I'm not decided on him yet and it will take time to prove he was the right choice.

 My question is why he got the job instead of a more established long time head coach.  He might wind up being a good pick but was Arkansas not able to get somebody who has more years of experience and a winning record as a head coach.

I have the same question about the new AD.  I heard him on the news say he had little to do with the hire and that the interim did that.  Why then this AD, what happened to the report that we had hired the guy from Tulsa, Gragg?  Why not either wait on the AD hire or hire an AD more quickly?

Seems like some questions about how this was all done need answered. Kinda messy.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on December 07, 2017, 10:20:46 am
Morris has had a really impressive climb in the coaching profession. I'm not decided on him yet and it will take time to prove he was the right choice.

 My question is why he got the job instead of a more established long time head coach.  He might wind up being a good pick but was Arkansas not able to get somebody who has more years of experience and a winning record as a head coach.

I have the same question about the new AD.  I heard him on the news say he had little to do with the hire and that the interim did that.  Why then this AD, what happened to the report that we had hired the guy from Tulsa, Gragg?  Why not either wait on the AD hire or hire an AD more quickly?

Seems like some questions about how this was all done need answered. Kinda messy.

Thatís the problem with Arkansas. We want this ďestablished old, Arkansas connection guyĒ or Les Miles instead of a coach that has is younger, energetic, and has an offense we have been BEGGING FOR, for 5 years now.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on December 07, 2017, 10:28:06 am
I didn't suggest an old person, just more experience and a winning record.  I'm also not picky about the kind of offense just one that wins games.  Just as an example I know Leach has that type offense and has a lot of experience and a winning record.  I'm pretty sure Nick Saban is older 66, and he seems really energetic.  As for Les Miles, he has a winning record, a national title and Ive seen him on the sideline, he's energetic.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: The Future on December 07, 2017, 10:41:19 am
I donít think he was anyoneís first choice. But that could just mean we are in for a huge surprise.
I mean no one wanted Tom Brady at one point...

I am impressed with his resume. I am impressed with his ability to take what he has and make it better.

But more importantly Iím impressed with his leadership. Watch his first meeting with the team and youíll see a man in charge who knows what he wants done, knows how to do it, and believes he can do it. He definitely doesnít seem like heís just throwing stuff out there to make us feel good or make us chuckle like Bielema did. Bielema was like the kid running class president who didnít care about academics but promised vending machines, no homework, and a pool table in the cafeteria. Morris seems to be a great fit.

Or.... he could be a bust. Another 5 years of mediocre ball at best.
Who knows?
But I agree we need to give him a shot. People need to let go of the previous 5 years and not let that determine whether or not they like Morris.

Way too early to make any predictions of how many wins or losses. Once we see who he brings in as his staff and once the off-season gets in gear, well get a better glimpse. But Iíll go down and say if we go 6-6 with a low bowl game, Iíll definitly call that an improvement and a good starting point. Miles better than Bielemas first 2 seasons here.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bleudog on December 07, 2017, 10:41:23 am
2015    SMU    2Ė10    1Ė7    TĖ5th (West)         
2016    SMU    5Ė 7    3Ė5        5th (West)         
2017    SMU    7Ė 5    4Ė4        4th (West)   

https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=7358&s=295489
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on December 07, 2017, 10:43:20 am
I didn't suggest an old person, just more experience and a winning record.  I'm also not picky about the kind of offense just one that wins games.  Just as an example I know Leach has that type offense and has a lot of experience and a winning record.  I'm pretty sure Nick Saban is older 66, and he seems really energetic.  As for Les Miles, he has a winning record, a national title and Ive seen him on the sideline, he's energetic.

Arkansas fans are the most fickle people.

We had a man with a big time record in a power 5 conference that could not get his offense going.

Now we have a Malzahn like offensive mind, a Dabo Sweeny type offensive mind, Mike Leach offensive mind, Bob Stoops offensive line, and Mike Gundy offensive mind and we find some way to complain. This man recruited DeShawn Watson and helped Clemson get where they are. He helped Tulsa get to 10-3.

Look at the SMU record all you want. That program is garbage. And was garbage. If indeed Arkansas has the money, facilities, draw, etc etc that is clamored about over and over and over again......he will have the tools to make this a high powered offense. You're not a loser if you can win three 4A state titles in Texas.

I wasn't thrilled either at first. But looking at his connections and history, we have a good guy to get us back. Especially in Texas. He appreciates the razorbacks of the SWC days and he knows this program can get back to that with recruiting and getting the best Arkansas kids on his staff, Louisiana kids, and Texas kids.

Les Miles.....good grief. The man can't find a quarterback if it hit him in the face. And he couldn't get over the hump with deep Louisiana talent.

There will never be another Nick Saban. He is a Paul Bear Bryant type of coach. So good luck finding another one of those.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Romeo on December 07, 2017, 10:43:26 am
I was skeptical, but after watching both press conferences, I like our AD and coach hires.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on December 07, 2017, 10:49:30 am
I was skeptical, but after watching both press conferences, I like our AD and coach hires.

And he passed the hog call test.....unlike Dana what's his face...........
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on December 07, 2017, 10:50:10 am
I was skeptical, but after watching both press conferences, I like our AD and coach hires.

Time to get in the left lane, pop the clutch, and put the pedal to the floor........

Love it.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Jacketman65 on December 07, 2017, 10:59:45 am
Everyone starts somewhere!  There are no automatic Nick Sabans or Bear Bryant types out there,  they started slowly and built their programs.  At some point in their careers some AD took a chance on them.  Who was Lou Holtz when he was hired at Arkansas?  Chad is here, so give the man a chance!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bleudog on December 07, 2017, 11:04:45 am
And he passed the hog call test.....unlike Dana what's his face...........

Didn't Dana what's his face take his basketball team to the final four last year?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: WPWells on December 07, 2017, 11:11:15 am
Again, Georgia didnít hire an established coach and look where they are
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on December 07, 2017, 11:17:20 am
Didn't Dana what's his face take his basketball team to the final four last year?

Don't know. Don't care.

Dude is dead to me.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on December 07, 2017, 11:18:01 am
Again, Georgia didn’t hire an established coach and look where they are


BUT BUT BUT....we should have hired Nutt as AD......and Tommy T as head coach.......they have the ARKANSAS established CONNECTION!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on December 07, 2017, 11:53:01 am
Arkansas fans are the most fickle people.

We had a man with a big time record in a power 5 conference that could not get his offense going.

Now we have a Malzahn like offensive mind, a Dabo Sweeny type offensive mind, Mike Leach offensive mind, Bob Stoops offensive line, and Mike Gundy offensive mind and we find some way to complain. This man recruited DeShawn Watson and helped Clemson get where they are. He helped Tulsa get to 10-3.

Look at the SMU record all you want. That program is garbage. And was garbage. If indeed Arkansas has the money, facilities, draw, etc etc that is clamored about over and over and over again......he will have the tools to make this a high powered offense. You're not a loser if you can win three 4A state titles in Texas.

I wasn't thrilled either at first. But looking at his connections and history, we have a good guy to get us back. Especially in Texas. He appreciates the razorbacks of the SWC days and he knows this program can get back to that with recruiting and getting the best Arkansas kids on his staff, Louisiana kids, and Texas kids.

Les Miles.....good grief. The man can't find a quarterback if it hit him in the face. And he couldn't get over the hump with deep Louisiana talent.

There will never be another Nick Saban. He is a Paul Bear Bryant type of coach. So good luck finding another one of those.

Obviously you don't like Miles.  That's fine. However if Morris does as well as Miles as a HC he will be very successful.  Miles is 141 - 55 career as HC.  He has a National Title.
Below is the Miles coaching tree, he obviously attracted and helped to develop top coaches.
You can not like him all you want but the history is obvious.

Mike Gundy: Oklahoma State (2005Ėpresent) Ė Miles' offensive coordinator at Oklahoma State from 2001Ė2004.
Jimbo Fisher: Florida State (2010Ėpresent) Ė Miles' offensive coordinator at LSU from 2005Ė2006.
Bo Pelini: Nebraska (2008Ė2014), Youngstown State (2015Ėpresent) Ė Miles' defensive coordinator at LSU from 2005Ė2007.
Larry Porter: Memphis (2010Ė2011) Ė Miles' running backs coach at Oklahoma State and LSU from 2002Ė2009. Porter currently serves as running backs coach at North Carolina under head coach Larry Fedora, a Mike Gundy protege (Fedora served as Gundy's offensive coordinator from 2005Ė2007).
Bradley Dale Peveto: Northwestern State (2009Ė2012) Ė Defensive assistant under Miles from 2005Ė2008, currently serving at (2017) Ole Miss as special teams and linebackers coach.
Todd Monken: Southern Mississippi (2013Ė2015) Ė Wide receivers coach and pass game coordinator under Miles at Oklahoma State and LSU from 2002Ė2006.
Frank Wilson:

Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Mijally2 on December 07, 2017, 11:53:43 am
I like the hire because of the Texas recruiting connections and the fact he has coached players in college who are having a lot of success in the NFL specifically at receiver. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on December 07, 2017, 11:55:50 am
Obviously you don't like Miles.  That's fine. However if Morris does as well as Miles as a HC he will be very successful.  Miles is 141 - 55 career as HC.  He has a National Title.
Below is the Miles coaching tree, he obviously attracted and helped to develop top coaches.
You can not like him all you want but the history is obvious.

Mike Gundy: Oklahoma State (2005–present) – Miles' offensive coordinator at Oklahoma State from 2001–2004.
Jimbo Fisher: Florida State (2010–present) – Miles' offensive coordinator at LSU from 2005–2006.
Bo Pelini: Nebraska (2008–2014), Youngstown State (2015–present) – Miles' defensive coordinator at LSU from 2005–2007.
Larry Porter: Memphis (2010–2011) – Miles' running backs coach at Oklahoma State and LSU from 2002–2009. Porter currently serves as running backs coach at North Carolina under head coach Larry Fedora, a Mike Gundy protege (Fedora served as Gundy's offensive coordinator from 2005–2007).
Bradley Dale Peveto: Northwestern State (2009–2012) – Defensive assistant under Miles from 2005–2008, currently serving at (2017) Ole Miss as special teams and linebackers coach.
Todd Monken: Southern Mississippi (2013–2015) – Wide receivers coach and pass game coordinator under Miles at Oklahoma State and LSU from 2002–2006.
Frank Wilson:



I know enough about Miles to know......Don't want him at Arkansas.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on December 07, 2017, 11:56:08 am

BUT BUT BUT....we should have hired Nutt as AD......and Tommy T as head coach.......they have the ARKANSAS established CONNECTION!

I don't even care about the Arkansas connection, that's a requirement that creates problems with hiring.  That was a spoken box on the checklist by those organizing the search. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Romeo on December 07, 2017, 12:08:22 pm
I think we already have our quarterback of the future as well. Chad Morris's son is a quarterback out of Highland Park.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: OB11 on December 07, 2017, 12:11:37 pm
I think we already have our quarterback of the future as well. Chad Morris's son is a quarterback out of Highland Park.

If he did end up playing at Arkansas, and was a scholarship caliber player, would they use a scholarship on him? Being a University employee, I would imagine his kids would get a sizable discount on tuition.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on December 07, 2017, 12:15:43 pm
I'm not a Miles fan but the guy is successful and would not have been a bad hire, not the best hire.  Chad Morris is a proven successful High School coach, college Offensive Coordinator.  Remains to be seen if he is going to be a highly successful Head Coach at this level. I see the "history" and it is in his favor.  Just have to prove it at the SEC level.
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Post by: beach bum on December 07, 2017, 05:33:23 pm
14-22  says enough.... Arkansas wanted average.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nastynice on December 07, 2017, 06:32:26 pm
"Better have some speed!  You either have speed or you're chasing speed and you don't want to be chasing speed!"  -Morris

Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bleudog on December 07, 2017, 06:55:38 pm
I think we already have our quarterback of the future as well. Chad Morris's son is a quarterback out of Highland Park.

Is his son the same age as Jerry Jones' grandson?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on December 07, 2017, 07:20:30 pm
14-22  says enough.... Arkansas wanted average.

You're being to obvious.....or you really are a call in show regular
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nastynice on December 07, 2017, 07:28:37 pm
You're being to obvious.....or you really are a call in show regular
I think beach bum is secretly Bo Mattingly, or visa-versa.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on December 07, 2017, 07:57:25 pm
I think beach bum is secretly Bo Mattingly, or visa-versa.

He should call into drive time sports and be rick Schaeffer's arch nemesis
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 07, 2017, 08:16:48 pm
Lets just hope the rumors of which you refer are just rumors.  At any rate, Coach Morris needs to hit the ground running to gather as many great recruits as he can. Hogs need help and need it fast.  I think his offensive scheme can cause some good talent to buy in but what about defense, anybody know anything about his plan there because we don't play much of that. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on December 07, 2017, 08:24:14 pm
Everybody board the Hog train for your daily dose of Hog delight...
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 07, 2017, 08:51:31 pm
He's offering kids the previous staff was passing on. Seems like risk taker.

We were probably out of the mix on Bohannon. Truthfully we were well behind from the start. I know he didn't fit the scheme BB ran. But an athlete like that you have to give him a shot. Then to wait as long as he did to offer.

Gotta take some chances and seemed BB didn't want to especially when it came to grades. I see no problem with getting to a kid early and saying hey we want you but you gotta get these grades up. Just seemed BB would wait so long to make even that kind of contact. These kids would have several offers before we would offer
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Romeo on December 07, 2017, 10:07:54 pm
Probably the most intriguing remarks in Coach Morris press conference is that he plans to use all 10 assistant coaches to recruit Arkansas. In the past, its usually been one assistant that has recruited in-state players. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Romeo on December 07, 2017, 10:10:13 pm
Is his son the same age as Jerry Jones' grandson?

He's class of 2020 so that would probably make him 15 or 16. He's only 5-9 right now so I doubt that he would be a major prospect.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Lionheart88 on December 07, 2017, 10:37:46 pm
Surely people that know the slightest bit about football can find some positive in this guy........

1. Great record as a high school coach in 4a Texas. Including 3 state titles.
2. Great record as OC at Tulsa.
3. AMAZING record as OC at Clemson. Including bowl wins, BCS BOWL BIRTH. He also played a huge role in getting Deshawn Watson. If you donít know who that is then youíre an idiot.
4. Mediocre record at SMU. HOWEVER, SMU is a Vanderbilt. With Vanderbilt standards. Also, it may be decades ago Now, but they received the DEATH PENALTY as a program and have never recuperated. And the power of Texas shifted and they could never keep up.
5. He knows the south and itís recruiting hot beds. And he is a big name in Texas. We need Texas athletes even if itís ďleftoversĒ from other Texas schools.
6. He runs power spread. Dual threat QBs with an emphasis in a strong run game.


He is not BP and he isn't a big name hire like BB was.....but isn't he what Arkansas fans been crying about for years now....speed.....spread.....athletes......and here we are and it's not good enough.

Take a look at the top name coaches who run those offenses.
1. Mike Leach-Washington state. Why would he come here? And how is he much better than a Chad Morris.
2. Lane Kiffin- A coach that has ran with his tail tucked after one year in the SEC, has been fired from two other jobs and has turned around FIU.....FIU!!! Who do they even play, CUTTER MORNING STAR???
3. Mike Norvell- But but but he has Arkansas connections and his wife is from Arkansas. Who cares. He is a texas guy who happened to play small time ball at UCA and he married an Arkansas girl. Tell me how that screams he has some special Arkansas Connection. Never sold on him.
4. Chris Petersen- West coast guy who has a pipeline to California recruits. Not going to touch a regionally confused team like Arkansas who doesn't know if it's Midwest or Southern.
5. Kevin Sumlin- He just left TAMU. A team who recruits Houston and texas well. He cant find a QB. He never won the big game. IN TEXAS. Why would anyone want him.
6. Les Miles- Gag.
7. Mike Gundy- He has 56 players on his roster from texas, has Boone Pickens Oil Money to back him, and he is a perennial winner. Why would he leave there to come here? He has figured out the Texas pipeline and it is working for him in his offense.
8. Skip Holtz- you people gotta be kidding me.
9. Brent Venables- the main is getting paid 1.5mil$ as an assistant and he doesn't have the headache Dabo does......why ON EARTH would he attempt to inherit the dumpster fire at Arkansas?


Look, I am not overly thrilled. But we gotta give the man a chance. At least you know exciting football will be back. AND HE HAS TEXAS CONNECTIONS. We have to have Texas kids to win in the SEC.



My top choice was none of these. I thought we should have thrown the cash at Bob Stoops. But hey, who asked me.

1. Mike Leach  More money?  A chance to coach in the SEC?  Basically the same reasons Morris would come.  He certainly has a better record as a head coach than Morris; more wins, better winning percentage, more winning seasons, more experience as a head coach.

2. Lane Kiffin  I don't like Kiffin.  But he does have experience coaching in the SEC, which Morris doesn't.  He has a better handle on what's required to win in the conference than, say, Bret Bielema did when he came to Arkansas.  Also, he's done a heck of a job with FAU.  They were 3-9 for three years under Charlie Partridge, and then 10-3 and won a conference title in Kiffin's first year.  No "three years to get a winning season" here.  Conference USA isn't really a bad conference.  It's about on a level with the American, where SMU plays.

3. Mike Norvell  He went to school in Arkansas and his wife's from here.  If you want Arkansas connection he's got it.  I don't think that should hurt his candidacy, but if you don't think having Arkansas ties matters you just don't.  Agree to disagree there.  His results at Memphis speak for themselves, though he did walk into a good situation.

4. Chris Peterson  Yeah, I don't think Peterson's a good fit, nor do I think he'd leave unless it's for money or to coach in the SEC.  He is, however, a proven winner at a higher level than Morris has been a head coach at.

5. Kevin Sumlin  Yes, he was coaching in our division last year.  In 6 years coaching in the SEC West, he went to 6 bowls (ok, one pening this year that *he* won't be at.  You know what I mean.).  That's an upgrade from what we had.  Why pass on a known quantity to gamble on an unknown?  He also has more experience recruiting Texas, which is supposed to be one of Morris's main selling points.

6. Les Miles  He has a National Championship, not to mention over a decade coaching in the SEC West.  He's one of the few who's beaten Nick Saban more than once.  Could he do it at Arkansas?  Maybe not, but why should we think this unproven nobody stands a better chance?  If you want someone with a history of success, Miles is, pardon the pun, miles better.  I don't really like him, but he's not a scumbag like Petrino.  If he wins I'll live with it.

7.  Mike Gundy  Yeah, probably not coming.  But did we even ask?  We could have at least thrown Gus-level money at him and seen what happens.

8.  Skip Holtz  No, I'm not kidding.  Why not?  I know you don't care about connections, but he's a Fayetteville High School grad, went there 7th-12th when Lou was our coach.  In his first head coaching job, he took Connecticut to their first ever 1-AA playoff appearance, went to 4 bowls in 5 years at East Carolina (and won the CUSA twice), stumbled a bit at USF, then took LA Tech to 4 bowls in 5 years and 2 CUSA title game appearances.  He almost beat Arkansas in Fayetteville last year without his starting QB.  He's a proven winner at a level comparable to the level Morris is working at.  He has experience recruiting the entire eastern seaboard and Louisiana.  18 years of head coaching experience. 11(maybe 12, depends on this year's bowl) winning seasons.  An over .500 record as a head coach.  9 seasons of 8+ wins a teams that are taking money games.  Morris can't say any of those things.  What's the issue here?

9.  Brent Venables  It wouldn't shock me if he was willing to come just for the money and chance to be a head coach.  Look at Alabama's DC jumping to Tennessee.  That said, I don't want an assistant as our head coach.  No HC experience is a deal breaker to me.  Being a head coach is too different from being a coordinator.  Too many good coordinators fail to find success as a head coach (So far, Morris is an example of that).

With the exception of Venables and maybe Norvell (who walked into a good situation), every one of these guys has some clear, proven upsides Morris doesn't.  Maybe Morris will do well.  I hope, for the state's sake, that he does.  But I don't think he was the best possible hire, or even the best available hire.  Why take a gamble on an unproven coach when there were so many better options?  Right now, we need stability, not to take chances.  If this goes badly, it could set us back another 4-5 years, and then the program will really be in a dire situation.  None of us want that.  Why gamble?
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Post by: sportsguy80 on December 07, 2017, 11:12:03 pm
1. Mike Leach  More money?  A chance to coach in the SEC?  Basically the same reasons Morris would come.  He certainly has a better record as a head coach than Morris; more wins, better winning percentage, more winning seasons, more experience as a head coach.

2. Lane Kiffin  I don't like Kiffin.  But he does have experience coaching in the SEC, which Morris doesn't.  He has a better handle on what's required to win in the conference than, say, Bret Bielema did when he came to Arkansas.  Also, he's done a heck of a job with FAU.  They were 3-9 for three years under Charlie Partridge, and then 10-3 and won a conference title in Kiffin's first year.  No "three years to get a winning season" here.  Conference USA isn't really a bad conference.  It's about on a level with the American, where SMU plays.

3. Mike Norvell  He went to school in Arkansas and his wife's from here.  If you want Arkansas connection he's got it.  I don't think that should hurt his candidacy, but if you don't think having Arkansas ties matters you just don't.  Agree to disagree there.  His results at Memphis speak for themselves, though he did walk into a good situation.

4. Chris Peterson  Yeah, I don't think Peterson's a good fit, nor do I think he'd leave unless it's for money or to coach in the SEC.  He is, however, a proven winner at a higher level than Morris has been a head coach at.

5. Kevin Sumlin  Yes, he was coaching in our division last year.  In 6 years coaching in the SEC West, he went to 6 bowls (ok, one pening this year that *he* won't be at.  You know what I mean.).  That's an upgrade from what we had.  Why pass on a known quantity to gamble on an unknown?  He also has more experience recruiting Texas, which is supposed to be one of Morris's main selling points.

6. Les Miles  He has a National Championship, not to mention over a decade coaching in the SEC West.  He's one of the few who's beaten Nick Saban more than once.  Could he do it at Arkansas?  Maybe not, but why should we think this unproven nobody stands a better chance?  If you want someone with a history of success, Miles is, pardon the pun, miles better.  I don't really like him, but he's not a scumbag like Petrino.  If he wins I'll live with it.

7.  Mike Gundy  Yeah, probably not coming.  But did we even ask?  We could have at least thrown Gus-level money at him and seen what happens.

8.  Skip Holtz  No, I'm not kidding.  Why not?  I know you don't care about connections, but he's a Fayetteville High School grad, went there 7th-12th when Lou was our coach.  In his first head coaching job, he took Connecticut to their first ever 1-AA playoff appearance, went to 4 bowls in 5 years at East Carolina (and won the CUSA twice), stumbled a bit at USF, then took LA Tech to 4 bowls in 5 years and 2 CUSA title game appearances.  He almost beat Arkansas in Fayetteville last year without his starting QB.  He's a proven winner at a level comparable to the level Morris is working at.  He has experience recruiting the entire eastern seaboard and Louisiana.  18 years of head coaching experience. 11(maybe 12, depends on this year's bowl) winning seasons.  An over .500 record as a head coach.  9 seasons of 8+ wins a teams that are taking money games.  Morris can't say any of those things.  What's the issue here?

9.  Brent Venables  It wouldn't shock me if he was willing to come just for the money and chance to be a head coach.  Look at Alabama's DC jumping to Tennessee.  That said, I don't want an assistant as our head coach.  No HC experience is a deal breaker to me.  Being a head coach is too different from being a coordinator.  Too many good coordinators fail to find success as a head coach (So far, Morris is an example of that).

With the exception of Venables and maybe Norvell (who walked into a good situation), every one of these guys has some clear, proven upsides Morris doesn't.  Maybe Morris will do well.  I hope, for the state's sake, that he does.  But I don't think he was the best possible hire, or even the best available hire.  Why take a gamble on an unproven coach when there were so many better options?  Right now, we need stability, not to take chances.  If this goes badly, it could set us back another 4-5 years, and then the program will really be in a dire situation.  None of us want that.  Why gamble?
Nice perspective on things. We really donít need a set back. Hopefully, we will be ok and Morris brings back some winning tradition.
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Post by: High Voltage on December 08, 2017, 08:45:42 am
Give the guy a chance, he hasn't even coached one game yet and people on here are bashing the guy. I like the hire myself. Year one we can't judge him on.
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Post by: AirWarren on December 08, 2017, 09:10:53 am
Give the guy a chance, he hasn't even coached one game yet and people on here are bashing the guy. I like the hire myself. Year one we can't judge him on.

Get to Ashdown coach Morris.

There is a 4.4 kid there about to leave to MSU.
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Post by: RZback on December 08, 2017, 10:21:53 am
Does anybody know who we have offered and more important who Morris is offering. 
What's the word on a DC?
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 08, 2017, 10:26:55 am
Is that Ashdown kid able to play at DI, we need speed but we need difference makers.  We are behind the eight ball right now. 
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Post by: AirWarren on December 08, 2017, 10:37:01 am
Is that Ashdown kid able to play at DI, we need speed but we need difference makers.  We are behind the eight ball right now. 

Yup, he is 6'2 I believe. And if he is good enough for Dan Mullen, he would be good enough here.

Plus, listen to Fitz Hill. 4.4 can't be coached. Gotta get those kids on the field for Arkansas.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 08, 2017, 10:40:05 am
Does anybody know who we have offered and more important who Morris is offering. 
What's the word on a DC?
Hes already offering kids out to 2020 and with high star ratings.

Seems to be a very aggressive recruiter.
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Post by: Proud Buckaroo on December 08, 2017, 12:47:00 pm
Does anybody know who we have offered and more important who Morris is offering. 
What's the word on a DC?

Two 4* WRs. Both from Texas. Tommy Bush and J Crawford.

Tommy bush is a big body WR and could very well commit soon. 6'5 195 lbs.

He has also offered Billy Ferrell for DL out of Fordyce, Arkansas.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 08, 2017, 01:24:05 pm
Ok, I know this will draw some criticism but there are lots of kids across the country who can run 4.4 or who are big or who look good on their high school team. 
We, rather the coaching staff, needs to concentrate on playmakers, and guys that can fit the system they will run and are really going to make an impact in DI.
Just a fast kid from Arkansas is not a reason to recruit.  I wish fans would look at them in relation to the talent pool available.  Sometimes we do no.
Hope Coach Morris gets the best available regardless of where they come from.  I want to see our program be at the top of the heap.
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Post by: RZback on December 08, 2017, 01:27:58 pm
Yep, you are going to get some criticism I bet.  I do however know what you mean.  BB missed on some players that we signed and that happens but we seemed to miss more than we hit.  I don't care if they are Arkansas kids or not, just as long as they can play ball and know how to act.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 08, 2017, 01:37:25 pm
I just know if you are a good athlete it's easier to look really good if you play in a lower classification.  Have to evaluate them well. 
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 08, 2017, 02:25:04 pm
There are a couple things you canít teach. Thatís speed and size. Kenneth Dixon comes to mind.

Bama has offered some of these kids as well so itís not like they donít have the potential
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 08, 2017, 04:20:53 pm
Well you can improve speed, just ask a track coach, you can make a kid bigger and stronger, ask a strength coach.  If you couldn't do those things then colleges wouldn't hire strength coaches nor train for speed and agility.

But to a larger point.  Every big and/or fast kid cannot play football.
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Post by: sportsguy80 on December 08, 2017, 05:44:04 pm
Any word on Montaric Brown from Ashdown? I heard he was enrolled but donít know if he is still here. He could definitely be a difference maker in the secondary if we can develop him.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 08, 2017, 07:56:36 pm
Well you can improve speed, just ask a track coach, you can make a kid bigger and stronger, ask a strength coach.  If you couldn't do those things then colleges wouldn't hire strength coaches nor train for speed and agility.

But to a larger point.  Every big and/or fast kid cannot play football.
You arenít improving a 4.4 kid much. And is say you can teach a kid with raw talent and athleticism to play football.

Weíve needed speed for a few years now. And it looks like the kids they are going after can play too
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Post by: Trojanbird on December 08, 2017, 11:21:43 pm
Yup, he is 6'2 I believe. And if he is good enough for Dan Mullen, he would be good enough here.

Plus, listen to Fitz Hill. 4.4 can't be coached. Gotta get those kids on the field for Arkansas.
Yup, there are also a lot of flute players out there that are very fleet footed, but that does not mean that they are football players! IMO
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 09, 2017, 03:20:32 pm
You arenít improving a 4.4 kid much. And is say you can teach a kid with raw talent and athleticism to play football.

Weíve needed speed for a few years now. And it looks like the kids they are going after can play too

I'd love to join the discussion on how fast these guys are or are not but it wouldn't convince anyone.  People believe the myths that run wild about crazy times for kids and even pros.  If you do the research you see why these things happen.  They are mostly exaggerated through bad methods of timeing. 
Anyway, you are dead right that Arkansas really needs speed.  I hope we get all the really fast, big and strong kids we can that can really play ball.  Tired of watching games and being embarrassed by the way we play.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 10, 2017, 08:43:45 am
It would be nice to watch our guys run away from a defense for a chance. Looks like CM for the most part look like good ball players. We will see how it translates to the field
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Post by: Kazimierz on December 10, 2017, 09:05:50 am
Here's to another exciting chapter for Arkansas football. I was talking to my dad about this - Arkansas coaching in general - and we were rehashing everything post-Jack Crowe (my earliest memories).

I think CM is a good option to get the Hogs back to a steady diet of 8-4 and 9-3 seasons. For a team like Arkansas - I think 9-3 should be the realistic expectation every year. Once in every four years make a serious run for a conference title and 11-1 record.

If CM can recruit the type of athletes that work in a Clemson-style offense... it should at least put cheeks in the seats.
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Post by: Valleysports on December 10, 2017, 10:53:08 am
Hogs gonna win it all - mark it down!
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Post by: beach bum on December 10, 2017, 01:10:16 pm
Hogs gonna win it all - mark it down!

Never.... ever happening.
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Post by: HorseFeathers on December 10, 2017, 05:48:18 pm
Never.... ever happening.

Never is a long time
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Post by: beach bum on December 10, 2017, 10:23:31 pm
Never is a long time

 The sport of football will be disbanded sadly at the rate things are going before we win a championship.
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Post by: RZback on December 10, 2017, 10:30:40 pm
Hopefully the Hogs get going right away.  I don't think the fan base is going to be too patient.  We cannot take a 2-4 win season.  I'd say Morris needs to find at least 6 wins to keep folks somewhat satisfied.
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on December 11, 2017, 09:00:31 am
We need to start hitting the 10 win mark fairly often.  It will not happen every year I know but every 3 or 4 it could.  Nutt was 75-48 and won 8 or more games 6 of ten years and fans ran him out.  I don't think if Morris goes that route its a great thing for the program.  Remember too that Nutt has the second best win percentage afte Broyles.  Got to get better than that if we want to be in the top of SEC.
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Post by: cuckoobird on December 11, 2017, 09:47:44 am
Lou holtz winning % was better than broyles and bobby pís was better than nutt
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Post by: Romeo on December 11, 2017, 10:15:15 am
Any word on Montaric Brown from Ashdown? I heard he was enrolled but don’t know if he is still here. He could definitely be a difference maker in the secondary if we can develop him.

Not sure if you were already aware but Montaric Brown committed to Arkansas yesterday.
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on December 11, 2017, 10:53:11 am
We need to start hitting the 10 win mark fairly often.  It will not happen every year I know but every 3 or 4 it could.  Nutt was 75-48 and won 8 or more games 6 of ten years and fans ran him out.  I don't think if Morris goes that route its a great thing for the program.  Remember too that Nutt has the second best win percentage afte Broyles.  Got to get better than that if we want to be in the top of SEC.

Sorry, I got my facts wrong.  I looked at the chart wrong, Nutt is second most total wins.
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Post by: AirWarren on December 11, 2017, 11:16:48 am
Not sure if you were already aware but Montaric Brown committed to Arkansas yesterday.

Montaricís cousin Ladarius Bishop you mean?
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Post by: sportsguy80 on December 11, 2017, 05:07:10 pm
Montaricís cousin Ladarius Bishop you mean?
Yeah gets kinda confusing if youíre not keeping up. Ashdown is producing some serious talent as of late.
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Post by: bleudog on December 11, 2017, 07:54:28 pm
http://www.rockcitytimes.com/razorbacks-unveil-the-morris-taurus-for-recruiting/

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 13, 2017, 06:57:19 pm
Next most important thing for Hogs is a darn good DC. 
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 14, 2017, 09:40:41 pm
Bohannon to announce his choice next Tuesday
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Post by: Trojanbird on December 14, 2017, 09:42:52 pm
Perhaps the hogs will have a freshman starting qb next year!
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Post by: sportsguy80 on December 14, 2017, 11:07:41 pm
I think we have a legitimate shot at getting Bohannon because of this offensive style and he has a huge chance of playing right away.
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on December 15, 2017, 10:15:48 am
How many quarterbacks does UA currently have?  How many more recruits are verbally committed, and in Bohannon and how many do we need? 
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Post by: HorseFeathers on December 15, 2017, 12:40:34 pm
How many quarterbacks does UA currently have?  How many more recruits are verbally committed, and in Bohannon and how many do we need? 

5 I think
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on December 15, 2017, 12:49:07 pm
So are you saying we have 5 now, so Bohannon added to our other commits would make 7?
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 15, 2017, 12:54:33 pm
Maybe we should get rid of a few of those and recruit some defense.  After we get a DC.  We need to have a DC on board before we sign a lot of defensive players, he needs to be sure they fit his system.
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Post by: Lionheart88 on December 15, 2017, 03:11:18 pm
Iíd be leery of jumping on Bohannon over Noland too quickly.  I remember when folks were talking about how Storey was going to be the savior, and how much has he played?  Itís a massive jump from low-level high school ball in Arkansas to the SEC.  I doubt anyone can make it in a year.  Noland is at least coming from 6A, but even then Iíd feel more comfortable with him redshirting a year.
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Post by: gameoflife on December 15, 2017, 03:26:10 pm
Maybe we should get rid of a few of those and recruit some defense.  After we get a DC.  We need to have a DC on board before we sign a lot of defensive players, he needs to be sure they fit his system.

We don't need so many QB's for sure and we don't yet have an DC.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 15, 2017, 04:39:41 pm
Iíd expect a few transfers.
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Post by: gameoflife on December 15, 2017, 08:38:39 pm
Iíd expect a few transfers.

Seems like we recruited too many, can we not tell a good one when we see it or we just want to weed them out on campus?
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Post by: bigworm on December 15, 2017, 08:49:24 pm
Pretty sure ty story had an offer from alabama. Guess saban cant evaluate talent either. All the guys there can play but they all were highschool players that have probably not gotten any better than they were when they played their last highschool game. Coaches failed miserably at developing the talent they had. We have more players than anyone thinks. We need a couple speedsters but we have enough players to be much much better if coaches can coach.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 16, 2017, 11:53:05 am
Seems like we recruited too many, can we not tell a good one when we see it or we just want to weed them out on campus?
I donít think that every player we have offered is going to make it to campus. Some will also redshirt.

Morris has offered kids all the way out to 2020.

Things are going to getting done different than when Bielema was here.
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Post by: OB11 on December 16, 2017, 12:33:33 pm
Didn't Bohannon make it pretty far in the Elite 11 competition? You get some pretty high level instruction and practice on reading defenses going through that I think. I have no idea...but does anyone know if Noland or Storey competed in that?
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 16, 2017, 01:09:37 pm
I know Bohannon did. He also worked with Clint Stoerner all summer.
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Post by: RZback on December 16, 2017, 03:57:51 pm
Pretty sure ty story had an offer from alabama. Guess saban cant evaluate talent either. All the guys there can play  ut they all were highschool cosches that have probably not gotten any better than they were when they played their last highschool game. Cosches failed miserably at developing the talent they had. We have more players than anyone thinks. We need a cpuple speedsters but we have enough players to be much much better if coaches can coach.
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Storey not going anywhere, and even Saban misses on a kid once in a while.  I don't know who our next qB will be but I do know if we are going to get out of the cellar whoever it is will have to play much better than our QB's played this year.
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Post by: AirWarren on December 16, 2017, 06:20:09 pm
Iíd expect a few transfers.

See ya.

We have some bad football players.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 16, 2017, 09:43:15 pm
If none transfer. We have Ty Storey, Cole Kelly and Daulton Hyatt on roster I believe. Hyatt was redshirted this year. Noland is all Hog but has the baseball offer. Seems he is really wanting to play both and wonít go pro in baseball. Folks say he is real good. Bohannon has as much raw talent as any recruit out there. Morris has also offered another QBout of Texas for 2018.

If all were to commit and stay thatís 6 on roster. A couple would for sure redshirt or one would think.

Hogs currently have 11 commits and think we can sign 15. Early signing is next week 20-22. Morris said he expected half the commits to sign early. ThTs leaves a lot to happen between now and the late period
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Post by: nastynice on December 19, 2017, 04:36:00 pm
Bohannon and Flannigan jumped ship. Good or bad thing for Morris and the Hogs?
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Post by: beach bum on December 19, 2017, 04:46:51 pm
Bohannon and Flannigan jumped ship. Good or bad thing for Morris and the Hogs?

I guess they didn't want to jump in the left lane and put the hammer down with Morris? Lol
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Post by: Trojanbird on December 19, 2017, 04:54:27 pm
I don't think that it is an issue with Morris!
If they don't want to be here, then best of luck to them!
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Post by: beach bum on December 19, 2017, 04:57:59 pm
I was more just making fun of Morris cause that is the clichť thing he says everytime he gives a speech or statement..... The other clichť thing he says too is "I'm going to have the best 'insert any word here' "
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 20, 2017, 06:36:45 am
I think we will be fine. Hate to lose any good Arkansas players. This early signing period leaves little time to build any relationships. Donít think we were getting Bohannon no matter who the coach was.

He has flipped a couple other recruits from Arkansas back to the Hogs from other schools though.

Actually looks like we can sign 12 and not 15. 10 currently committed and he is chasing some decent recruits at least on paper anyway. Do we get them who knows.

Next years class of Arkansas kids will be the tale as the state has some really good players in it for that year. So we will really see what Morris can do as far as a full year of recruiting.

He needs to get a defensive staff in place. Supposedly our DC is still coaching.
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Post by: Lionheart88 on December 20, 2017, 08:22:02 pm
I know SMU is missing coaches and all, but they're getting killed by Skip Holtz's LA Tech right now.  35-3 with 5:12 left in the 2nd Quarter.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 20, 2017, 11:28:11 pm
I think we will be fine. Hate to lose any good Arkansas players. This early signing period leaves little time to build any relationships. Donít think we were getting Bohannon no matter who the coach was.

He has flipped a couple other recruits from Arkansas back to the Hogs from other schools though.

Actually looks like we can sign 12 and not 15. 10 currently committed and he is chasing some decent recruits at least on paper anyway. Do we get them who knows.

Next years class of Arkansas kids will be the tale as the state has some really good players in it for that year. So we will really see what Morris can do as far as a full year of recruiting.

He needs to get a defensive staff in place. Supposedly our DC is still coaching.

Not so sure Arkansas recruits by themselves can support any run at the west much less the SEC championship.  For sure we need to get a DC in place.  I don't think I'd sign with a school unless I knew who the AD was, that is if I was good and was going to play defense.
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Post by: sportsguy80 on December 21, 2017, 04:32:02 am
I know SMU is missing coaches and all, but they're getting killed by Skip Holtz's LA Tech right now.  35-3 with 5:12 left in the 2nd Quarter.
Yeah I noticed too. They havenít been good in awhile.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 21, 2017, 06:15:21 am
Not so sure Arkansas recruits by themselves can support any run at the west much less the SEC championship.  For sure we need to get a DC in place.  I don't think I'd sign with a school unless I knew who the AD was, that is if I was good and was going to play defense.
Just a lot of folks mad that Bohannon left. Fact is even if old staff was here we would have never had a shot. It does look better if we can at least keep the cream of the Arkansas crop at home.

Hopefully a good DC hire is named here shortly.

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Post by: bleudog on December 22, 2017, 08:32:46 am
I know SMU is missing coaches and all, but they're getting killed by Skip Holtz's LA Tech right now.  35-3 with 5:12 left in the 2nd Quarter.

Yep, Tech "got in the left lane and put the hammer down."

https://www.thescore.com/ncaaf/events/27382/box_score
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Post by: AirWarren on December 22, 2017, 11:51:28 am
Nick Fulwider, DE out of Georgia just committed to the Razorbacks. 6'7 260. Had a great offer list.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 22, 2017, 02:14:50 pm
Though the class will be short on numbers. It looks like we have picked up some decent players. We will see in a couple years.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: friscokid on December 29, 2017, 04:51:20 pm
If Chavis is the guy, giving up 55 to Wake Forest is not the best first impression.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on December 29, 2017, 05:02:53 pm
If Chavis is the guy, giving up 55 to Wake Forest is not the best first impression.

As long as he's been around this shouldn't be a first impression tho...
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on December 29, 2017, 05:54:16 pm
Iím hoping the stay at A&M is an outlier. If he can improve is from a plus 100 defense we should at least be better right
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on December 31, 2017, 06:31:18 pm
If Chavis is the guy, giving up 55 to Wake Forest is not the best first impression.

Seems he likes to play lots of prevent on 3rd down throughout his career as a DC.  At UT he gave up lots of big 3rd down plays. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: friscokid on January 03, 2018, 03:02:03 pm
Chavis and Venables are both done for the year, and no word yet. Might Morris be eyeballing Mel Tucker at UGa since Bamaís Pruitt is spoken for already?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 03, 2018, 08:53:09 pm
Don't worry about defense we will just score more than who we play, simple.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Jacketman65 on January 05, 2018, 02:56:48 am
Don't worry about defense we will just score more than who we play, simple.
Was that not the Petrino philosophy?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on January 05, 2018, 08:44:03 am
Was that not the Petrino philosophy?

Speaking of Petrino he just got a dose of karma... The only reason he did not take another job this offseason was he thought Lamar Jackson was coming back..... yet Jackson entered the draft so Louisville is looking at a 5-7 record in that insanely tough ACC division they are in.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: cuckoobird on January 05, 2018, 12:13:41 pm
Iím pretty sure no coach has ever based there choice of job opportunities on one single 19 or 20 yo athlete
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on January 05, 2018, 02:05:32 pm
Iím pretty sure no coach has ever based there choice of job opportunities on one single 19 or 20 yo athlete

Coaches strategically leave all the time when they know the talent is dropping off in the coming years wherever they are at.... Of course a coach will stay sometimes when they know they have stacked teams for the future. Coaches are very strategic when it comes to that.... All that said, you are right in the sense that $$$$ will influence the most.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: cuckoobird on January 05, 2018, 03:02:24 pm
Note, I said one single player
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on January 06, 2018, 07:17:39 pm
Is there any progress on the DC? 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Ctucker on January 07, 2018, 08:27:54 am
Is there any progress on the DC? 
I guess when he said he was getting best DC he really meant I have no ideal who I will get!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 07, 2018, 12:17:40 pm
Supposedly itís Chavis and they arenít announcing until
The entire staff has been picked. But who knows really.

If itís a done deal Iíd expect an announcement next week sometime
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 07, 2018, 06:34:50 pm
So it would seem that unless he is hiring someone off the Bama or Georgia staff  that he is having a problem getting a DC of the caliber needed for the SEC.  I say this because I don't doubt that there are people out there that would jump at an SEC job as Arkansas DC. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 07, 2018, 06:58:35 pm
Supposedly itís Chavis and they arenít announcing until
The entire staff has been picked. But who knows really.

If itís a done deal Iíd expect an announcement next week sometime

How does that make any sense?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 07, 2018, 09:28:08 pm
How does that make any sense?
All we can go off of is what folks are saying. Supposedly Chavis and staff have been talking to recruits on our behalf for a while, even before A&M bowl. Something to do with the extension at A&M could be the hang up in the announcement as well.

But Iím with you guys. Just announce who it is already if thatís who it is.

Could be we have missed on everyone we wanted. Could be we are going to announce a big name.

But Iíd also rather them have all their ducks in a row than get all the misinformation that came out during the coaching search
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 08, 2018, 06:57:05 pm
Looks like we don't have our ducks in a row.  I didn't think a coach who is on contract with one school can recruit for another, so unless Chavis has resigned, and surely somebody would know about that, I think we are behind the eight-ball.  Lets get it together.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 08, 2018, 07:36:05 pm
Believe A&M has already hired another DC. I think, not 100 on that.

Looked it up and yep they hired Notre Dame DC.

IMO it will be announced soon. Or at least it should be
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 08, 2018, 07:43:52 pm
It seems strange that we don't have stuff all ready yet. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 08, 2018, 07:50:58 pm
I got looking around after this. I donít have Twitter. But on another forum someone posted a tweet from one of our recruits tweeted. Had a good visit with coach Chavis with the Hog emoji after it.

Morris is wanting to announce the entire staff all at once. Technically the only reason we know about the offensive guys is because just about all of them came from SMU.

Iím sure there will be a big event planned, streamers and parade confetti.

Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: cuckoobird on January 08, 2018, 08:05:00 pm
Frost was recruiting like crazy for Nebraska while preparing to play auburn in the bowl
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 08, 2018, 08:16:05 pm
Frost was recruiting like crazy for Nebraska while preparing to play auburn in the bowl

He had a contract with Nebraska, and UCF agreed to let him coach the game.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 08, 2018, 09:39:19 pm
Iím assuming Chavis has a contract with us now since he is contacting recruits for us
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 09, 2018, 11:24:42 am
So it appears the DC is Chavis and has brought Ron Cooper with him to coach secondary.  Lets get the staff names out there, what are they waiting for.  They need to stir up some conversation. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 09, 2018, 11:31:02 am
Itís official and again id expect all the others to fall in to place
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bleudog on January 09, 2018, 11:54:44 am
http://katv.com/sports/hog-central/chad-morris-announces-staff-craddock-to-lead-offense-chavis-named-defensive-coordinator
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Ctucker on January 09, 2018, 12:51:10 pm
Surely we could have done better than that!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 09, 2018, 03:08:16 pm
Well itís who we got. We will see how it goes. I can say Morris isnít shy about offering scholarships and to highly rated recruits.

As for Chavis he is highly regarded by most. Didnít really knock it out of the park at A&M. Hopefully he can recapture some the old magic and surely has to do better than what we were doing.

Again we will see
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bigworm on January 09, 2018, 10:48:56 pm
I think we are in good shape. Time will tell but im excited about these coordinators.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: WPWells on January 09, 2018, 10:59:18 pm
To the one who said that we could do better...

How much better do you expect us to do than a guy whoís regarded as one of the top 5-10 defensive minds in college football? Honestly, some of you will gripe about anything Arkansas related.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Ctucker on January 10, 2018, 07:33:46 am
To the one who said that we could do better...

How much better do you expect us to do than a guy whoís regarded as one of the top 5-10 defensive minds in college football? Honestly, some of you will gripe about anything Arkansas related.
maybe he was 10 years ago hasn't done much lately and he had better recruits than we got but we will see! I only grip about hog stuff because I heard your stupid butt goes there!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 10, 2018, 02:01:24 pm
I must admit I was hoping we might do a bit better on the hiring of staff.  At least Chavis is a known personality.  He has been off his game a bit but that may be due to talent at A & M.  Lots of younger guys, less college years experience on the staff, I will give Morris credit for being loyal to guys that were with him at SMU. 
First glance seems we are not getting the cream of the college coaching crop.  Hope Morris has some jewels in the rough, this is the big league and we have a lot of work to do.  Hopefully it will all work out.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 10, 2018, 02:38:10 pm
I do t think offense is the issue. Morris is an offensive guy so the OC shouldnít be that big of a deal.

As for Chavis yes his A&M years leave a little to be desired. I do think that they were playing a lot of underclassmen, I havenít checked a roster. But they were some some highly rated players.

Hoping they can build something here that looks like a football program.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 10, 2018, 08:49:36 pm
I do t think offense is the issue. Morris is an offensive guy so the OC shouldnít be that big of a deal.

As for Chavis yes his A&M years leave a little to be desired. I do think that they were playing a lot of underclassmen, I havenít checked a roster. But they were some some highly rated players.

Hoping they can build something here that looks like a football program.

I think both O and D are issues.  Are you thinking Morris will call his own offense? 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 10, 2018, 09:15:46 pm
I think both O and D are issues.  Are you thinking Morris will call his own offense?
I think him and his OC have been together a while and know what each other want and how things work. Why go out and get another guy when you have one that you have trained to run the offense you are already running
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 10, 2018, 10:52:35 pm
Because this is the SEC and he's going to have to face some of the best teams and defenses in America, but you may be right.  I'm hoping for a 6-6 at least next year but 7-5 would be much better.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on January 11, 2018, 02:45:04 pm
I see your point but the program is really down and it may not be fixable in only a year or two.  Chavis should help with what has been a pitiful defense but our staff still has to match wits with the SEC.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 12, 2018, 12:08:53 pm
I'm curious as to how the Hogs team is rated for next year.  Based on our returning players where do we stand and how do others in the know expect we will do based on what we know presently.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Valleysports on January 12, 2018, 02:50:03 pm
Not very well - it's not the coaches, it's the recruiting that has to be done.  It's going to take Morris 3 yrs to recruit the players needed to compete in the SEC West (assuming he can)..  After recreational games,  Arkansas starts the SEC, Auburn - A&M - Bama - (0-3)..  Remember when Arkansas played A&M, back in Sept, and they kept saying Freshman this and Freshman that?  Fisher has a Top 25'ish team to start with. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on January 12, 2018, 03:05:09 pm
Not very well - it's not the coaches, it's the recruiting that has to be done.  It's going to take Morris 3 yrs to recruit the players needed to compete in the SEC West (assuming he can)..  After recreational games,  Arkansas starts the SEC, Auburn - A&M - Bama - (0-3)..  Remember when Arkansas played A&M, back in Sept, and they kept saying Freshman this and Freshman that?  Fisher has a Top 25'ish team to start with.

A&M is going to finish 6-6 or 7-5 next year so we can actually win that game early in the year.... I have no idea why Fisher would ever leave Florida State for Texas A&M. Well we all know why and that has 75 million answers. Besides that Florida State is a much better job. Kirk left early for A&M and he was the big play threat that won them games the last 2 years. Now for Arkansas, they won't be very good either. A very favorable schedule of Vandy and Mizzou from the East along with 4 games against non power 5 schools will help. Arkansas's season will all come down to if they can go to Fort Collins and beat Colorado State. That won't be an easy game early in a season. If they win that they'll go 4-0 in non conference and find a way to get 2 wins between Miss State, Ole Miss, Vandy, Mizzou, and A&M. I think 6-6 will happen year one even with a suspect roster for Arkansas because they'll win a couple close games they need in a soft by SEC standards schedule.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Lionheart88 on January 12, 2018, 05:33:46 pm
Not very well - it's not the coaches, it's the recruiting that has to be done.  It's going to take Morris 3 yrs to recruit the players needed to compete in the SEC West (assuming he can).. After recreational games,  Arkansas starts the SEC, Auburn - A&M - Bama - (0-3)..  Remember when Arkansas played A&M, back in Sept, and they kept saying Freshman this and Freshman that?  Fisher has a Top 25'ish team to start with.
I know it took him 3 years to get SMU bowl eligible, but why do you think itíll take that long here?  None of the last 3 coaches has needed 3 years to get bowl eligible.  Or do you mean compete for a trip to Atlanta?  In that case 3 years is probably optimistic.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on January 12, 2018, 08:39:32 pm
A&M is going to finish 6-6 or 7-5 next year so we can actually win that game early in the year.... I have no idea why Fisher would ever leave Florida State for Texas A&M. Well we all know why and that has 75 million answers. Besides that Florida State is a much better job. Kirk left early for A&M and he was the big play threat that won them games the last 2 years. Now for Arkansas, they won't be very good either. A very favorable schedule of Vandy and Mizzou from the East along with 4 games against non power 5 schools will help. Arkansas's season will all come down to if they can go to Fort Collins and beat Colorado State. That won't be an easy game early in a season. If they win that they'll go 4-0 in non conference and find a way to get 2 wins between Miss State, Ole Miss, Vandy, Mizzou, and A&M. I think 6-6 will happen year one even with a suspect roster for Arkansas because they'll win a couple close games they need in a soft by SEC standards schedule.
I get what youíre saying but in actuality A&M is headed in the right direction. Fisher is an upgrade from Sumlin even though his offenses were fun to watch except against the hogs. I will be very surprised if the aggies go 6-6.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 14, 2018, 01:06:22 am
I know it took him 3 years to get SMU bowl eligible, but why do you think itíll take that long here?  None of the last 3 coaches has needed 3 years to get bowl eligible.  Or do you mean compete for a trip to Atlanta?  In that case 3 years is probably optimistic.

Because the program is a mess, and this is SEC not AAC.  I worry about the players and the staff being good enough to get it done in less than 3.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Valleysports on January 14, 2018, 06:10:32 am
A&M is going to finish 6-6 or 7-5 next year so we can actually win that game early in the year.... I have no idea why Fisher would ever leave Florida State for Texas A&M. Well we all know why and that has 75 million answers. Besides that Florida State is a much better job. Kirk left early for A&M and he was the big play threat that won them games the last 2 years. Now for Arkansas, they won't be very good either. A very favorable schedule of Vandy and Mizzou from the East along with 4 games against non power 5 schools will help. Arkansas's season will all come down to if they can go to Fort Collins and beat Colorado State. That won't be an easy game early in a season. If they win that they'll go 4-0 in non conference and find a way to get 2 wins between Miss State, Ole Miss, Vandy, Mizzou, and A&M. I think 6-6 will happen year one even with a suspect roster for Arkansas because they'll win a couple close games they need in a soft by SEC standards schedule.

Well it's hard to argue with Arkansas possibly winning two SEC games and the non conference schedule being weak. Back in the SEC - A&M beat Arkansas (sixth straight year) without their QB, lost in the first game of the season. They have a team of young SEC Players, Morris tried to recruit to SMU. With schools getting new coaches and restarting their programs, finishing 3rd, 4th, 5th in the SEC West will come down to who rebuilds the fastest.   
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 14, 2018, 02:26:37 pm
Well it's hard to argue with Arkansas possibly winning two SEC games and the non conference schedule being weak. Back in the SEC - A&M beat Arkansas (sixth straight year) without their QB, lost in the first game of the season. They have a team of young SEC Players, Morris tried to recruit to SMU. With schools getting new coaches and restarting their programs, finishing 3rd, 4th, 5th in the SEC West will come down to who rebuilds the fastest.   

Certainly a weak 2018 schedule.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on January 14, 2018, 04:47:11 pm
If we cannot win 6 we have problems.  Well, we do have problems but still we should win 6 or 7 games against that cupcake schedule.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bleudog on January 14, 2018, 09:55:55 pm
Certainly a weak 2018 schedule.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-18/2018-arkansas-razorbacks-football-schedule.php
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 15, 2018, 09:56:18 am
Should have won 6 last season as well
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on January 15, 2018, 10:18:57 am
My hope is that we don't just hit that 7-8 wins a season mark and think we have done something.  The goal I hope, the intent, was to get a guy that would take us to 10 win seasons and a position in the SEC where somebody realistically thought we could win the West, and the Conference and break the top 10-15.   
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 15, 2018, 10:38:18 am
I just want to win the ones we are supposed to win, win a majority of the tough games and once in a while beat a top 10 team.  That would get us to the 10 wins I think. I think it will be a long wait.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 15, 2018, 03:38:17 pm
I donít want teams to want to place us.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 15, 2018, 03:58:09 pm
I donít want teams to want to place us.

I assume you mean play, well everyone wants to play us right now.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on January 15, 2018, 04:43:50 pm
I think UA is trying to find some junior college teams that we can get on that schedule.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Lionheart88 on January 15, 2018, 07:03:36 pm
Because the program is a mess, and this is SEC not AAC.  I worry about the players and the staff being good enough to get it done in less than 3.
We were 4-8 last year.  If it takes the new staff 3 years to get 2 games better, then Morris is a failure and needs to be fired.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 15, 2018, 07:11:33 pm
We were 4-8 last year.  If it takes the new staff 3 years to get 2 games better, then Morris is a failure and needs to be fired.

I'd agree with that.  I think a fair number of people expect us to turn it around pretty quickly. 6-7 games next year and 8 or more the next.  I'm not sure how much chance there is of that but we do have a weak schedule and that should help produce wins.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 15, 2018, 08:54:02 pm
I assume you mean play, well everyone wants to play us right now.
Yeah phone got me. I donít want teams chalking is up for a win or hey we can play arkansas for homecoming.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Lionheart88 on January 16, 2018, 01:44:21 am
I'd agree with that.  I think a fair number of people expect us to turn it around pretty quickly. 6-7 games next year and 8 or more the next.  I'm not sure how much chance there is of that but we do have a weak schedule and that should help produce wins.
I could see 5-7 this year, but they should definitely be bowl eligible in year 2.  One game per year improvement is ok with me as long as itís steady improvement.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 16, 2018, 01:35:49 pm
I could see 5-7 this year, but they should definitely be bowl eligible in year 2.  One game per year improvement is ok with me as long as itís steady improvement.

1 game a year improvement would take a long time to hit 10 wins.  Need to hit at least 6 this coming year to get back on balance.  winning only 5 is not much improvement, we should have won 6 last year but for poor second half play in a lot of games.  I'd say 3 years and we should be bumping the door of 10 wins, if not there real close.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on January 18, 2018, 10:56:54 am
All anyone can do at this point is sit and wait and hope we hired the right guy and that he hires the right guys and they recruit the right guys.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 18, 2018, 11:08:04 am
All anyone can do at this point is sit and wait and hope we hired the right guy and that he hires the right guys and they recruit the right guys.

Been waiting 4 years already, it's time to get it rolling.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 19, 2018, 09:16:38 am
We will not know until the Fall. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: footballfan-tastic on January 19, 2018, 10:51:33 am
We will not know until the Fall. 

I think all in all is was not a spectacular hire and I believe that is what many Hog fans were hoping for, a spectacular hire, and so there is caution concerning how good the Hogs may be and how soon success will come.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on January 19, 2018, 08:19:47 pm
I think all in all is was not a spectacular hire and I believe that is what many Hog fans were hoping for, a spectacular hire, and so there is caution concerning how good the Hogs may be and how soon success will come.
Exactly.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 19, 2018, 09:00:01 pm
Well heís got some high level recruits coming to look at us this weekend or here soon. Some of the guys that keep up with recruiting seem excited about them anyway. So at least we have our hat in on some good recruits. Whether we land them remains to be seen
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on January 22, 2018, 02:55:42 pm
Did I hear correctly that we have lost several recruits that had previously commited since coach Morris was hired?  If true who were they?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 22, 2018, 10:14:38 pm
We had a few decommit. But have picked up more than decommited. Picked up Myles Mason today, flipped him from MSU. Had offers from Bama, Auburn, FSU TN and others. High 3 star safety out of Bama.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 22, 2018, 10:17:49 pm
63rd National Rank, 14th SEC Rank

Offense (5)
QB 4* Connor Noland, 6'3", 205, Greenwood HS, Greenwood, AR (305th Natl)
OT 3* Noah Gatlin, 6'7", 300, Jonesboro HS, Jonesboro, AR (870th Natl)
WR 3* Michael Woods, 6'1", 188, Magnolia HS, Magnolia, TX (581st Natl)
OT 3* Silas Robinson, 6'4", 300, Yoakum HS, Yoakum, TX (NA Natl)
RB 3* Rakeem Boyd, 5'11", 200, Ind CC, Independence, KS (64th Natl)


Defense (8)
ILB 4* Bumper Pool, 6'2", 213, Lovejoy HS, Lucas, TX (264th Natl)
DE 3* Isaiah Nichols, 6'4", 275, Springdale HS, Springdale, AR (816th Natl)
CB 3* LaDarrius Bishop, 6'0", 180, Ashdown HS, Ashdown, AR (557th Natl)
SDE 3* Nick Fulwider, 6'7", 249, Sandy Creek HS, Tyron, GA (728th Natl)
DT 3* Billy Ferrel, 6'3, 331, Fordyce HS, Fordyce, AR (NA Natl)
S 3* Myles Mason, 6'2", 205, Trussville, AL (496 Natl)
WDE 3* Courtre Alexander, 6'4", 260, Owasso HS, Owasso, OK (846th Natl)
ILB 3* Andrew Parker, 6'1", 225, Sophie Wright, New Orleans, LA (NA Natl)
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 22, 2018, 10:23:20 pm
I think what B.B. has commuted was in the 70s or 80s rank wise. But thatís a current list of signees and commits.

Plus heís already offering 2019 and 2020 guys. Most that Iíve read about have good offer lists.

Interested in what he can actually land. We be nice to land some big time recruits for a change
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Cabotfan on January 23, 2018, 01:22:47 pm
Did I hear correctly that we have lost several recruits that had previously commited since coach Morris was hired?  If true who were they?

They lost a DL out of Georgia and an OL out of Pulaski Academy. Not sure how many more.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 23, 2018, 03:34:07 pm
Think there were around 5 total
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on January 23, 2018, 04:29:27 pm
I knew our class was not great, but wow I did not know 63rd overall so far and even behind Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and Missouri. That is just bad....
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 23, 2018, 05:38:19 pm
It was worse.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 23, 2018, 07:57:30 pm
Plus another reason itís so low is we arenít able to sign a full class
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on January 29, 2018, 01:16:39 pm
One guy in the top 100 nationally?  Is that correct?   Boy.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: footballfan-tastic on January 29, 2018, 06:14:57 pm
Going to be a long process I think.  UA's reputation is not going to get it a bunch of 4* recruit right now.  That new staff better be coaching whizzes.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on January 30, 2018, 11:38:09 am
Any truth that one of our QB's is leaving?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on January 30, 2018, 11:54:15 am
Any truth that one of our QB's is leaving?

I don't think we have one QB on this roster even close to capable of running his offense right now...
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: OB11 on January 30, 2018, 12:19:57 pm
It's inevitable that at least one of them leaves IMO.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Almatrackster on January 30, 2018, 04:59:15 pm
This offense is similar to what Ty Storey ran in high school.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 30, 2018, 07:27:14 pm
By what Iíve been reading we are probably over signing and expect more to leave in the spring.

Morris has improved this class and showing that heís not afraid to offer big time recruits. Next year will tell us how good at landing them he is
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on January 31, 2018, 09:33:11 am
By what Iíve been reading we are probably over signing and expect more to leave in the spring.

Morris has improved this class and showing that heís not afraid to offer big time recruits. Next year will tell us how good at landing them he is

Wow!  Not afraid to offer big time recruits!  I hope he's not afraid. If he is we don't need him.    I think we will definitely have a QB or two gone by the season's start.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: footballfan-tastic on January 31, 2018, 09:41:43 am
Real question is like the man said, is he any good at getting the good ones?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on January 31, 2018, 07:33:34 pm
Wow!  Not afraid to offer big time recruits!  I hope he's not afraid. If he is we don't need him.    I think we will definitely have a QB or two gone by the season's start.
Hasnt offered anything below a 4 for 2019 and 2020 that I have seen.

It will come down to getting the fish in the boat and I canít remember any coach of ours going in to big boy territory and going after players
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on February 02, 2018, 03:44:51 pm
Hasnt offered anything below a 4 for 2019 and 2020 that I have seen.

It will come down to getting the fish in the boat and I canít remember any coach of ours going in to big boy territory and going after players

Well I know a little about fishing and to catch the big ones you need the right bait.  Right now that means we need some quality wins and more total wins.   Plus asking and getting are not the same thing.  Time is not on our side.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 03, 2018, 04:51:53 pm
Until then thereís basketball. Oh wait, baseball yeah baseball is what I meant
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: footballfan-tastic on February 03, 2018, 05:31:50 pm
The wait is going to be miserable.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on February 03, 2018, 05:51:36 pm
Until then thereís basketball. Oh wait, baseball yeah baseball is what I meant

Track and gymnastics may be a better bet
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 05, 2018, 06:49:38 am
Track and gymnastics may be a better bet
true
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on February 05, 2018, 12:18:53 pm
I hear a lot of scholarships were offered for 2018.  Wonder how those will shake out because we don't have that many open scholarships. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on February 05, 2018, 07:54:32 pm
I hear a lot of scholarships were offered for 2018.  Wonder how those will shake out because we don't have that many open scholarships.
The good thing is Iím hearing that few if any will transfer but itís still kinda early.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Lionheart88 on February 08, 2018, 12:08:16 am
This offense is similar to what Ty Storey ran in high school.
Similar how?  Seems like anything that could be run at the 3A high school level would be incredibly simple and basic compared to what a supposed offensive whiz kid would be running in the SEC.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 08, 2018, 06:39:46 am
Well Gus runs the same thing he was running in 2A level. It still puts points in the board. Morris also uses some of that same offense. Just tweaks it and uses variations of it.

He puts points in the board. Clemson as the OC and at SMU.

A play doesnít have to be complicated or complex to be effective. Just create the right matchup, be executed well and put players in the right spots to make plays.

I mean the Eagles just uses a mainly zone read and RPO offense to win a super bowl.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on February 08, 2018, 10:48:39 am
Well Gus runs the same thing he was running in 2A level. It still puts points in the board. Morris also uses some of that same offense. Just tweaks it and uses variations of it.

He puts points in the board. Clemson as the OC and at SMU.

A play doesnít have to be complicated or complex to be effective. Just create the right matchup, be executed well and put players in the right spots to make plays.

I mean the Eagles just uses a mainly zone read and RPO offense to win a super bowl.

All that having some truth to it, you still need very good players to keep pace in the SEC, nobodies offense or defense is going to pull wins out of a magic hat without talent.  "If we want it bad enough we will win????"
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 08, 2018, 11:53:10 am
I was more talking the comment made about the simplicity of 3A offenses. The recruiting has changed more to speed and aggressive players from what Iíve seen.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on February 08, 2018, 12:49:40 pm
I'm not sure all 3A offenses are so simple, nor all 7A are more so.  Really, read option and RPO I wouldn't say are necessarily simpler than say I offense where there are no options nor choices to decide on pre or post snap.  Football is about execution and making proper decisions on the move. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on February 08, 2018, 04:24:24 pm
Well Gus runs the same thing he was running in 2A level. It still puts points in the board. Morris also uses some of that same offense. Just tweaks it and uses variations of it.

Oh my God!  It's football, everybody does the same stuff one way or another.  Everybody copies from one another and tweaks it. Been doing that for decades.  Either you got players or you don't.  NO players and it doesn't matter who the head coach is or what system you are running.  Heck, people talk about how good Gus is, how bad the wing T is, that's what the man got his offense from, just put it into a different set from what most people were used to seeing, single back gun but he wasnt the first or the last. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Lionheart88 on February 08, 2018, 11:15:18 pm
At the 3A high school level, staffs are tiny and coach are mostly if not entirely teaching classes all day.  They also have to work around whatever kids live in the district.  An SEC school has a comparatively huge staff, coaches who do nothing but coach all day, and players that are, on the average, tremendously bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter than the average high school.  If they aren't using much larger playbooks and adding wrinkles to the scheme that high schools don't have the time or personnel to implement, they aren't doing their jobs.  Sure, maybe they both run the same basic formation, but that's like saying that a kid that's had Algebra I should be able to pick Differential Equations right up because hey, it's all numbers right?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 09, 2018, 06:03:04 am
Iím sure the Hog offense will have plenty of wrinkles
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 09, 2018, 05:20:35 pm
Picked up Dorian Gerald today. Beat out A&M Florida and Tennessee for him
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on February 09, 2018, 05:59:15 pm
Picked up Dorian Gerald today. Beat out A&M Florida and Tennessee for him

WPS.

Did good with little time and poor outreach by the previous staff.

Build it. And they will come.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 09, 2018, 08:36:58 pm
He is a JUCO 3* but 23 offers. 22 sacks in his first 2 seasons.

So by what I understand we have signed 17 and we had 10 spots by what I know.

Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on February 09, 2018, 11:51:12 pm
Future looks promising to say the least. Iím a bit excited about this new era.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 10, 2018, 07:12:13 am
I know numbers arenít that impressive for the recruiting class this year. I think we still need up in the 50ís ranking wise and bottom of the SEC. Doesnít sound great at all.

The positives. Even with the low numbers this is still the 3rd highest rated, per recruit average we have had in the past 10 years. He did that after being hired later than other coaches. With an early signing period and without a full staff. Then beat out SEC schools for some of these guys after being late to the party.

I am optimistic that Morris may actually be the best recruiter we have had at Arkansas. With a full year to recruit for 2019 and the current offers. It is possible that we may have one of the highest rated classes weíve ever had. Not saying it will happen but just by who heís targeting and could possibly land it could be.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 10, 2018, 07:19:56 am
https://twitter.com/BDunnsports/status/962111773250871296
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on February 10, 2018, 08:49:08 am
I know numbers arenít that impressive for the recruiting class this year. I think we still need up in the 50ís ranking wise and bottom of the SEC. Doesnít sound great at all.

The positives. Even with the low numbers this is still the 3rd highest rated, per recruit average we have had in the past 10 years. He did that after being hired later than other coaches. With an early signing period and without a full staff. Then beat out SEC schools for some of these guys after being late to the party.

I am optimistic that Morris may actually be the best recruiter we have had at Arkansas. With a full year to recruit for 2019 and the current offers. It is possible that we may have one of the highest rated classes weíve ever had. Not saying it will happen but just by who heís targeting and could possibly land it could be.

Need to lock up Treylon and Hudson.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Trojanbird on February 10, 2018, 10:34:07 am
I don't understand how he could sign a full class anyway, he is currently over the roster limit now.  I hate to see new coaches come in and sign a new class only to cull the players that are currently there.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bleudog on February 10, 2018, 10:36:58 am
AW, would you please take the modify option and change that t to an h in the title.  My OCD side is acting up.  ;D

http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=154569.msg3564439#msg3564439
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: cuckoobird on February 10, 2018, 04:15:58 pm
There are several players that need culling
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on February 10, 2018, 04:24:41 pm
There are several players that need culling


I would say about 10-15 players.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on February 10, 2018, 04:41:14 pm
There are several players that need culling

Start with the TE that runs a 5.0 and Bert even tried to hand him the ball in goal line situations  ???
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 11, 2018, 10:33:28 am
Need to lock up Treylon and Hudson.
I know they are all over Burks.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 11, 2018, 02:43:34 pm
On another forum. Seems with transfers and what not we are still 5 schollies over right now.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on February 12, 2018, 07:46:54 pm
Just jerk the worst players scholarships so you can sign the guys you really want.  It would let the guys who loose their scholarships seek an alternative.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Valleysports on February 13, 2018, 04:52:32 pm
Hey that moved Arkansas up from 110 to 49th..  14th (dead last) in the SEC.  I'm not trying to reign on the parade, just throwing out some reality for discussion.  Alabama, Auburn, A&M, LSU, recruited a team one level above Arkansas.  Basically 12-15 Fours Stars vs Arkansas 12-15 Three Stars.  Fact is that won't cut it..  I think Arkansas has hit the jack pot with Morris and Chavis (reason Dorian is coming) and recruiting will improve a ton, but I don't think Arkansas will win 4 SEC games before Dorian graduates.  Arkansas could've used the freshman DE A&M flipped from Bama.  Happy Valentines!  ;)
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on February 13, 2018, 08:15:25 pm
Like I said next year will be the test for Morris. The class is way better than where it was going to be and is last in the SEC because of not being able to sign a full class. It would have been firmly in the middle as usual with a full class.

A&M will be right in the middle as usually until Orgerons coaching finally kicks in.

Just expect us to look like we have played football next year
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Valleysports on February 15, 2018, 08:43:10 pm
So same SEC finish as last year?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on February 15, 2018, 08:50:29 pm
So same SEC finish as last year?

Arkansas will finish 6th in the West.... just ahead of A&M in last in the West.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Valleysports on February 16, 2018, 08:41:39 am
Arkansas will finish 6th in the West.... just ahead of A&M in last in the West.

Good Beach Bum we can have fun with this.  While it might not be saying much, A&M is a better team than last year.  Remember all the comments about having never heard of so many freshman and sophomores playing n the AR vs A&M game?  With their starting freshman QB out they still beat Arkansas for the 6th straight year.  What has changed other than coach upgrade and A&M having a 4 star recruit class vs Arkansas 3 star?  So you're thinking Ole Miss might finish above A&M and Arkansas?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on February 16, 2018, 12:06:14 pm
Arkansas is still at the bottom of the SEC right now and a bunch of 3* will not get us to the top.  I don't think Morris or Chavis is a good enough coach to to that.  So far I'm taking a wait and see attitude on the team and next years season but I'm not going to expect a huge win loss turnaround wit what we have at this point.  I'm concerned about if we cannot win 6 or more next season, how that effects the future of success is what worries me.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on February 22, 2018, 02:03:51 pm
Hog fans should prepare for the worst and hope for the best, the result may be somewhere in between.  To make a big jump Defense is going to have to make huge gains and offense is going to have to have some consistency.   
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Valleysports on March 07, 2018, 08:05:26 am
Beach Bum are you looking at the SEC Recruiting? As ricepig would say - it doesn't matter until the kids show up for the first day of practice, however while Arkansas is somewhat pleased with their 49th ranked, 2018, 3* recruit class, other SEC teams are fired up about their 4-5* 2019 commits.  I think Arkansas made the right head coach choice, but he'd better bring David's sling shot to fight Goliath.     
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: WPWells on March 07, 2018, 09:54:07 am
Hearing Storey has jumped Kelley as QB1
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on March 07, 2018, 06:24:23 pm
Hearing Storey has jumped Kelley as QB1

And that is news because Kelly is too fat to move and got in trouble for DWI.  Storey who?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Ctucker on March 07, 2018, 07:09:00 pm
Hearing Storey has jumped Kelley as QB1
Surely we can find somebody better!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on March 07, 2018, 08:15:33 pm
House full of QB's and not a great one in the mix.  2018 looks bleak I'm afraid.  Oh well BB taught us not to expect too much.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 07, 2018, 10:12:30 pm
Surely we can find somebody better!
Storey may be better who knows. We all know B.B. didnít do very well at putting the correct talent in the field.

I guess some folks are are expecting 10 wins next year. Wonít happen, imo we will be around.500.

As far as recruiting. By what Iíve read Morris has only given offers to 4 and 5 stars so far. Plus he is going in to Bama, GA to try and get these players. Donít know if we get them but we havenít had a staff do that at anytime I can remember to try and get those kinds of players
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on March 08, 2018, 12:14:44 pm
You saying all the signees are 4-5 star recruits?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 08, 2018, 01:59:36 pm
You saying all the signees are 4-5 star recruits?
All the 2019 he has offered are 4 and 5 Star
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on March 09, 2018, 01:36:00 pm
All the 2019 he has offered are 4 and 5 Star

Ok, thanks for the clarification.  I didn't think the current signees were all 4 or 5.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 09, 2018, 02:28:55 pm
Ok, thanks for the clarification.  I didn't think the current signees were all 4 or 5.
Fogot to put the 2019 in there. Iím sure there will be some 3 stars offered though lol
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Valleysports on March 09, 2018, 06:56:43 pm
Seems like Arkansas has one 3 star commit.
   
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 10, 2018, 08:25:55 am
Seems like Arkansas has one 3 star commit.
   
Long way to go before 2019 kids start signing. I havenít seen an Arkansas coach going after recruits like Morris is.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bleudog on March 10, 2018, 10:43:57 pm
http://www.hootens.com/03-10-2018/hogs-morris-evaluation-realistic-after-2nd-scrimmage/6350.html
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Valleysports on March 16, 2018, 02:25:58 pm
Long way to go before 2019 kids start signing. I havenít seen an Arkansas coach going after recruits like Morris is.

Top college football programs are on top of the recruiting years out.  Having commits a year out is the difference in mediocre and not..
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 16, 2018, 06:43:18 pm
Top college football programs are on top of the recruiting years out.  Having commits a year out is the difference in mediocre and not..
We are working on it. I dont know how things will turn out. But Morris is getting after it, Iíll give him that. And heís offered players out to 2020. So he is looking ahead and trying
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Valleysports on March 17, 2018, 08:53:53 am
We are working on it. I dont know how things will turn out. But Morris is getting after it, Iíll give him that. And heís offered players out to 2020. So he is looking ahead and trying

True on Morris getting after it.  I do think Morris is the best man for the job.  Unfortunately he's facing bigger obstacles than possibly any other coach in Arkansas history. Dynamics of the SEC West.     
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on March 17, 2018, 12:26:40 pm
True on Morris getting after it.  I do think Morris is the best man for the job.  Unfortunately he's facing bigger obstacles than possibly any other coach in Arkansas history. Dynamics of the SEC West.   

Can you elaborate on your proposition here. What makes him the best man for the job and how is he facing bigger obstacles than any other coach in UA history?    I admit he wasn't my pick but I don't see why he was the best man for the job.  Obstacles, I guess if you are saying UA is in the worst shape in its history which may be true, I'd agree with that.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Valleysports on March 21, 2018, 01:18:53 pm
Arkansas lost a rung on the ladder when A&M came into the SEC.  Whether Rzfans understand that or not, it is what it is.  A&M being the only SEC Team in Texas, having the money, best facilities, recruits, etc, etc...  The SEC is faaaast & big...  I feel Morris will be able to recruit a 1st string of SEC players - but Bama, A&M, LSU have equal 2nd-3rd strings.  4th quarter will always be a problem.  Auburn has Malzahn as well as good recruits.  Malzahn understands trying to gain every advantage possible.  Why the heck would you play straight up Old School with Bama! This is why Morris is the best coach for Arkansas - he's not straight up stupid.  He's a Malzahn understudy.  If the opponent is bigger, stronger, faster he'll run to their weakness, some sort of disguising misdirection, wildcat, whatever.  If he can bring SMU back from the Death Penalty, 30 yrs later, he should be able to help Arkansas.  Arkansas, Miss St, Ole Miss......
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on March 22, 2018, 12:03:02 am
Not sure Morris brought SMU back from the death penalty.  June Jones won two divisional titles, Had 4 winning seasons in a row and 3 of 4 bowl appearances while the first HC at SMU after the death penalty.  I'd say he's the guy that revived the program. He did leave the program after a bad season but then Morris was only there 3 years so there is no guarantee that he would have continued to win or to improve the record.  For this reason I think he's a bit of a gamble for UA.  Hopefully he will turn them around as quickly as some are predicting.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on March 22, 2018, 06:02:14 am
True on Morris getting after it.  I do think Morris is the best man for the job.  Unfortunately he's facing bigger obstacles than possibly any other coach in Arkansas history. Dynamics of the SEC West.   
Im not sure itís bigger obstacles. Sure itís tough. But for the most part recent Hog coaches havenít ventured in to Texas as much or recruited it as hard.

We have made the list for several highly regarded recruits here lately. I canít remember that happening here recently either.

Also while we only have a few commits that are 3 stars. Morris has offered the highest percentage of 4 and 5 Star recruits ever for Arkansas.

Again that shows he is working the recruiting trail harder than any other Hog coach Iíve heard of. If he starts landing some of these kids things could get interesting.

Is he the right man for the job. Who knows. We will know in 4 or 5 years probably.

Also we have been competitive in years with less talent and a worse coach than all the schools you mentioned. A few game changers can have a big effect and we will see what Morris can do. If he doesnít get it done then next man up.

Thatís why Jimbo is at A&M right
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: cuckoobird on March 22, 2018, 10:24:15 am
Jones wasnít the first HC after the death penalty. Forrest Gregg was
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bleudog on March 22, 2018, 11:14:28 am
Not sure Morris brought SMU back from the death penalty.  June Jones won two divisional titles, Had 4 winning seasons in a row and 3 of 4 bowl appearances while the first HC at SMU after the death penalty.  I'd say he's the guy that revived the program. He did leave the program after a bad season but then Morris was only there 3 years so there is no guarantee that he would have continued to win or to improve the record.  For this reason I think he's a bit of a gamble for UA.  Hopefully he will turn them around as quickly as some are predicting.

Jones wasnít the first HC after the death penalty. Forrest Gregg was

"In 1987, SMU football became the first, and currently only, football program in collegiate athletic history to receive the "death penalty" for repeat violation of NCAA rules, that is, having a sports program fully terminated for a determined amount of time. SMU's football program was terminated for the 1987 season because the University was making approximately $61,000 in booster payments from 1985 to 1986. It later emerged that a slush fund had been used to pay players as early as the mid-1970s, and athletic officials had known about it as early as 1981."

Dave Smith           1973Ė1975        16-15-2
Ron Meyer             1976Ė1981        34-32-1
Bobby Collins         1982Ė1986        43-14-1

Forrest Gregg        1989Ė1990          3-19-0
Tom Rossley          1991Ė1996        15-48-3
Mike Cavan            1997Ė2001        22Ė34
Phil Bennett           2002Ė2007        18Ė52
June Jones             2008Ė2014        36Ė52
Tom Mason (Interim)       2014            1Ė9
Chad Morris            2015Ė2017        14-22
Sonny Dykes           2017-Present       0-1
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on March 22, 2018, 12:36:33 pm
Ok, so I miss spoke.  The first guy to have a serious winning streak in 30 years after the "death penalty"  4 of his 6 years and all 4 in a row.  I would say Jones did the most for the resurrection of the program.  IMO.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bleudog on March 22, 2018, 01:09:35 pm
Ok, so I miss spoke.  The first guy to have a serious winning streak in 30 years after the "death penalty"  4 of his 6 years and all 4 in a row.  I would say Jones did the most for the resurrection of the program.  IMO.

I'd agree.

SMU Mustangs - June Jones
2008 SMU    1Ė11                   0Ė8       6th (West)   
2009 SMU    8Ė5                     6Ė2       TĖ1st (West)     W Hawaii   
2010 SMU    7Ė7                     6Ė2       TĖ1st (West)     L Armed Forces   
2011 SMU    8Ė5                     5Ė3       3rd (West)        W BBVA Compass   
2012 SMU    7Ė6                     5Ė3       2nd (West)       W Hawaii 
2013 SMU    5Ė7                     4Ė4       5th   
2014 SMU    0Ė2 (resigned)     0Ė0       10th

Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on March 22, 2018, 02:09:41 pm
I just wish I had more confidence in the new staff and recruiting.  I keep hearing rumors of us not progressing as fast as the staff would hope and that maybe the talent really isn't there.
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Post by: gameoflife on March 22, 2018, 04:21:04 pm
Seems some of the shine is gone since the hiring.  I guess that is normal though, waiting for fall ball to start.
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Post by: Valleysports on March 23, 2018, 06:17:20 am
Also we have been competitive in years with less talent and a worse coach than all the schools you mentioned. A few game changers can have a big effect and we will see what Morris can do. If he doesnít get it done then next man up.

Thatís why Jimbo is at A&M right

Maybe you didn't have as bad of coach as you thought you did when you were competitive with less talent.  Yes Jimbo and his staff is a major upgrade for A&M. Got to beat A&M this year....   
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Post by: cuckoobird on March 23, 2018, 09:11:57 am
Competative? Thatís debatable
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Post by: bdubyab60 on March 27, 2018, 06:51:34 am
Competative? Thatís debatable
In certain games lol
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Post by: gameoflife on March 29, 2018, 01:12:34 pm
The last time I heard anything about the spring practices it was said that the offense seemed to be having quite a bit of trouble with the new offense.  Is that still the case?  I'm not sure we have the right QB for this offense just yet and recruiting will be so important at that position if we are going to be successful. How do Hog QB's look right now?
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Post by: RZback on April 04, 2018, 04:53:18 pm
Offense has a long way yet to go.
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Post by: beach bum on April 04, 2018, 08:42:41 pm
Offense has a long way yet to go.

The two QB's we have competing for the starting job tells me all I need know.... They are not even close to SEC caliber starters for a top level SEC program.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on April 05, 2018, 09:34:59 pm
This may be more of a chore than thought. Morris seems les than impressed when talking about some players.

Possibly some softness left from the old regime
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Post by: gameoflife on April 06, 2018, 08:39:37 pm
This may be more of a chore than thought. Morris seems les than impressed when talking about some players.

Possibly some softness left from the old regime

UA didn't get as bad as they are just because of bad coaching.  Poor talent compared to the SEC made serious win record not possible. 
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Post by: AirWarren on April 07, 2018, 11:08:57 am
Sleeting in central Arkansas.
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Post by: RZback on April 07, 2018, 04:44:24 pm
UA didn't get as bad as they are just because of bad coaching.  Poor talent compared to the SEC made serious win record not possible.

I don't think Morris and the new staff had any idea it was as bad as it is. 
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Post by: bleudog on April 07, 2018, 05:40:37 pm
How'd the Spring Game go?
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Post by: AirWarren on April 07, 2018, 07:22:14 pm
I don't think Morris and the new staff had any idea it was as bad as it is. 

Agreed. 6-7 wins. But thatís top. Add a bowl win in for a 7-8 win season, and I would call it magical.

Couple of points.

Ty Storey. Not SEC material.
Dalton Hyatt. May be a Gem of a QB.
Cole Kelly, he has the size and arm, but still looks erratic.
Offensive line....who knows at this point.
CJ Ogrady still looks the part.
Running backs....Williams and Whaley looked good. Hayden and Hammonds.....eh.
Pettway and freshman Woods looked like the best WR. Lots of drops by Stewart.

Defense looked quicker and more aware than the offense.
Secondary has a chance to be GOOD. Making plays at the ball. In position.
Linebackers looked like they wanted to play.
Our front 4 were aggressive. Randy Ramsey may have a break out year.
Special teams. Hot hot hot garbage.

Quarterbacks. B-
Running backs. B-
WR. C.
TE. B
OL. C by default until proven otherwise.

DL. B.
LB. B-
CB. B+
S. A-

Special teams.
Special teams, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever seen. At no point in your rambling, incoherent play were you even close to anything that could be considered a decent play. Everyone in Arkansas is now dumber for having seeing to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Post by: beach bum on April 07, 2018, 07:54:04 pm
Agreed. 6-7 wins. But thatís top. Add a bowl win in for a 7-8 win season, and I would call it magical.

Couple of points.

Ty Storey. Not SEC material.
Dalton Hyatt. May be a Gem of a QB.
Cole Kelly, he has the size and arm, but still looks erratic.
Offensive line....who knows at this point.
CJ Ogrady still looks the part.
Running backs....Williams and Whaley looked good. Hayden and Hammonds.....eh.
Pettway and freshman Woods looked like the best WR. Lots of drops by Stewart.

Defense looked quicker and more aware than the offense.
Secondary has a chance to be GOOD. Making plays at the ball. In position.
Linebackers looked like they wanted to play.
Our front 4 were aggressive. Randy Ramsey may have a break out year.
Special teams. Hot hot hot garbage.

Quarterbacks. B-
Running backs. B-
WR. C.
TE. B
OL. C by default until proven otherwise.

DL. B.
LB. B-
CB. B+
S. A-

Special teams.
Special teams, what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever seen. At no point in your rambling, incoherent play were you even close to anything that could be considered a decent play. Everyone in Arkansas is now dumber for having seeing to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Got to say you are spot on here too and might be one of the few rational brains posting right now about the Hogs in the revenue generating sports. I think the best case scenario is we get some confidence by winning all 4 non conference games. Easier said than done cause Colorado State and Tulsa we should win, but who knows? Then try to get a few more between getting 2 of 3 from Ole Miss, Mizzou, Vandy.... and possibly grab one more from A&M or Miss State. I agree too spot on about our QB's. That is where I am very worried. I think Storey has the brightest mind and probably grasps this offense better. I know everyone here locally loves the kid cause he is from Charleston, but at some point they have to accept the reality that he is not SEC material. Sometimes we have to think with our mind and not our hearts to see that. Again, I think you have been spot on.
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Post by: beach bum on April 07, 2018, 08:01:07 pm
-3 wins would be disaster scenario of losing almost every game that ends up being a tight one
-7 wins would be high end of winning pretty much every close game we get in
-we probably end up with 5 or 6 in reality, 3-1 in non conference and 3-5 in SEC is what I predict & we finish 6-6
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Post by: sportsguy80 on April 08, 2018, 09:55:03 pm
You guys are spot on with what I saw. Our qb situation will make or break a ďdecentĒ season. The defense looked liked a SEC defense that wants to win. Time will tell...
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Post by: RZback on April 10, 2018, 09:56:32 pm
You guys are spot on with what I saw. Our qb situation will make or break a ďdecentĒ season. The defense looked liked a SEC defense that wants to win. Time will tell...

QB's are not B material at this point.  I'd say a C at best and the Defense is still unproven because of the offense they were playing against.  I'm hoping they can win 5 but that will be a subpar season.  I just think things are worse than most had believed including the new staff.  Chavez may get the D up to snuff but right now they will struggle in conference.  Offense still doesn't have a grasp on it yet and Im not sure any are really ready for SEC.
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Post by: Mulerider4Life on April 12, 2018, 07:38:49 am
I'm feeling a 6-6 year, followed by a 7-5 year.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on April 12, 2018, 09:24:42 am
Thereís a complete culture change going on. It seems B.B. was either a poor evaluator as far as QB goes. Hopefully one of those guys steps up. Took BA 3 years but the Allens did take a beating.
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Post by: RZback on April 12, 2018, 11:04:38 am
I'd say we are a long way from having the pieces in place to challenge in the SEC.   Hopefully the staff can develop some talent in the players they currently have.  I'm sure lots of Hogs would think 6-6 was a good year but being satisfied with that is the type of thinking that has gotten us to the place we are at.  7-5 would be a nice opening year for Morris.  It would show we had the right guy in place and are situated to move forward quickly. 
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Post by: bdubyab60 on April 13, 2018, 07:09:08 pm
I wouldnít be satisfied with 6-6 just think itís more of a realistic expectation this year.

If look like we have actually played football before it would be nice
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Post by: Mulerider4Life on April 16, 2018, 08:36:19 am
I wouldnít be satisfied with 6-6 just think itís more of a realistic expectation this year.

If look like we have actually played football before it would be nice

Exactly. I would feel good if it was a 6-6 season with all of them being close games except Alabama.
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on April 19, 2018, 10:17:44 am
I've heard so many mixed opinions on how the spring went and what we will look like come fall that it is hard to know what is ahead.  Guess we will see when we see.
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Post by: cuckoobird on April 19, 2018, 10:34:45 am
When have you ever known what was ahead? Everyone is always serving koolaid
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Post by: Valleysports on April 19, 2018, 06:07:48 pm
I've heard so many mixed opinions on how the spring went and what we will look like come fall that it is hard to know what is ahead.  Guess we will see when we see.

You haven't heard many mixed opinions from people who actually attended the Spring Game, wasn't but 3 fans there. 
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Post by: AirWarren on April 24, 2018, 07:47:55 am
Another spot freed up.

Korey Hernandez, CB out of Atlanta area, has decided to transfer.
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Post by: gameoflife on April 25, 2018, 04:56:43 pm
You haven't heard many mixed opinions from people who actually attended the Spring Game, wasn't but 3 fans there. 

Funny!  So little interest?
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on April 25, 2018, 06:23:07 pm
Don't be surprised if we only win 4 games.
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Post by: Valleysports on May 02, 2018, 08:11:21 pm
Another spot freed up.

Korey Hernandez, CB out of Atlanta area, has decided to transfer.

AirWarren I'm fascinated with A&M again lol (thought I posted this last week).  Commitments are what they are, but holy wow they've got a top class on speed dial. 
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Post by: AirWarren on May 02, 2018, 09:13:04 pm
AirWarren I'm fascinated with A&M again lol (thought I posted this last week).  Commitments are what they are, but holy wow they've got a top class on speed dial. 

It's a Texas SEC school. No reason not to be a top ten recruiting class year in and year out.
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Post by: Trojanbird on May 02, 2018, 11:48:27 pm
IMO!! Only.  From what I have observed over the years since we joined the SEC, I just don't feel that the U of A has made the total commitment to be what is required to be continders for championships!  Yes, it has been done in the past. Finally got one in ladies golf I think!  We have to have SMART people hiring better/smarter coaches!  Right now we are buried in debt paying off bad hires, in the real world it is bankruptcy!  Blame AW for my rant, just tired of the BS on the hill!   What do you think??
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Post by: gameoflife on May 03, 2018, 10:03:49 am
UA is like the poor cousin who shows up at the family reunion wearing a $1000 dollar suit and driving a Mercedes Benz, rented, he lives in a huge house that is almost empty on the inside because he cant afford anything in it.  It's all for show.  Wants to impress but doesn't really have it all together to get it done. Middle of the road program that keeps trying to hire middle of the pack coaches in hopes of getting lucky with one of those "home run" hires.    Hopefully this one will pay off but I'm thinking still middle of the pack.  In the position we seem to be in we need that big name that will attract athletes like flies to honey.
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Post by: AirWarren on May 03, 2018, 11:54:05 am
UA is like the poor cousin who shows up at the family reunion wearing a $1000 dollar suit and driving a Mercedes Benz, rented, he lives in a huge house that is almost empty on the inside because he cant afford anything in it.  It's all for show.  Wants to impress but doesn't really have it all together to get it done. Middle of the road program that keeps trying to hire middle of the pack coaches in hopes of getting lucky with one of those "home run" hires.    Hopefully this one will pay off but I'm thinking still middle of the pack.  In the position we seem to be in we need that big name that will attract athletes like flies to honey.

LoL.

YOU SHOULD GO ON HOGVILLE AND POST THIS.
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Post by: Valleysports on May 06, 2018, 02:35:07 am
It's a Texas SEC school. No reason not to be a top ten recruiting class year in and year out.
   How about Top 5?
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Post by: Mulerider4Life on May 09, 2018, 07:43:39 am
LoL.

YOU SHOULD GO ON HOGVILLE AND POST THIS.

I don't think anyone could have set it better.
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Post by: AirWarren on May 18, 2018, 01:18:21 pm
https://247sports.com/Article/Quarterback-Kenneth-KJ-Jefferson-commits-to-Arkansas-Razorbacks-118335350

Big commit.
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Post by: Valleysports on May 20, 2018, 07:34:09 pm
Arkansas is sitting at #49 - next years recruits - better get in the game.
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Post by: Mulerider4Life on May 21, 2018, 12:08:15 pm
https://247sports.com/Article/Quarterback-Kenneth-KJ-Jefferson-commits-to-Arkansas-Razorbacks-118335350

Big commit.

I just hope he focuses on his football IQ. He looks like he has some great stats, but he will definitely have to prove himself. 
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Post by: gameoflife on May 25, 2018, 02:42:30 pm
Arkansas is sitting at #49 - next years recruits - better get in the game.


How did Arkansas rank among SEC teams?
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Post by: Valleysports on May 25, 2018, 09:17:06 pm
How did Arkansas rank among SEC teams?

Jump 37 spots to 12th in the SEC and all the to 7th in the SEC West....   8)
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on May 29, 2018, 11:02:11 am
Boy it just doesn't look good for next season at this point.  I know people and coaches are trying to talk up a good future but so far it just looks like a long way to go to get there.
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Post by: AirWarren on May 29, 2018, 11:10:09 am
Boy it just doesn't look good for next season at this point.  I know people and coaches are trying to talk up a good future but so far it just looks like a long way to go to get there.

But hey, we are going back to grass at UAF stadium.
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on May 29, 2018, 12:26:48 pm
To that I say, Why?
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Post by: AirWarren on May 29, 2018, 12:49:16 pm
To that I say, Why?

Scuttlebutt says, coach Morris is a grass guy.

He coached on grass at Clemson and at the high school level.
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Post by: bleudog on May 29, 2018, 02:28:40 pm
But hey, we are going back to grass at UAF stadium.

Then a fleet of these might come in handy.

(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33610119_10212014828306058_2424801749203156992_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=93516f6dca25b5479f450eeaa131e545&oe=5BBA3CA7)


And we all know whoever put the meme together could have used any school.  ;D


I really thought his one was funnier:

(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33160526_1857655004299353_3958619941669699584_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=e6a913f2c8caa0aa3ea23bf62bd0e678&oe=5B83F998)
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on May 29, 2018, 05:35:16 pm
So if Morris is not successful and 5 or so years from now we hire a turf guy we will have to put in turf?
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Post by: AirWarren on May 29, 2018, 06:07:21 pm
So if Morris is not successful and 5 or so years from now we hire a turf guy we will have to put in turf?

It is setting up the blame patrol perfectly. If he isnít successful, itís because we play on grass now.

Remember. Itís been a motorcycle, Pepsi, etc for our lack of success.
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Post by: beach bum on May 29, 2018, 10:31:40 pm
Huh? So we are seriously ripping up the turf? I am a natural grass guy, but this is so strange if true. Any of you guys have another example of this happening at any other big school where they get turf only to go back natural? If we have the turf might as well keep it.
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Post by: Trojanbird on May 29, 2018, 10:42:21 pm
From what I understand, the turf is about to hit it's 10 year life cycle and will need to be replaced anyway due to being worn down/out.  This is something that I hope all of the high schools with turf have budgeted!
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Post by: Cabotfan on May 30, 2018, 08:06:34 am
From what I understand, the turf is about to hit it's 10 year life cycle and will need to be replaced anyway due to being worn down/out.  This is something that I hope all of the high schools with turf have budgeted!

So all of that $$ that you are supposed to be saving on maintenance for the turf field, you better be saving to replace that turf every 10 years or so.
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Post by: AirWarren on May 30, 2018, 08:32:21 am
So all of that $$ that you are supposed to be saving on maintenance for the turf field, you better be saving to replace that turf every 10 years or so.

Bingo. Look at war memorials turf. It looks bad.


Most high schools have to replace that turf every 10 years.
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Post by: gameoflife on May 30, 2018, 10:31:52 am
Isn't it odd, for years all you heard was that turf would pay for itself over time: less maintenance, higher use without fear of hurting field.  Now we hear it cost more to keep it than just going grass to begin with.  Somebody wasn't honest.  Best thing about grass is it is not as hot on the field during games. 
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Post by: AirWarren on May 30, 2018, 11:49:02 am
Isn't it odd, for years all you heard was that turf would pay for itself over time: less maintenance, higher use without fear of hurting field.  Now we hear it cost more to keep it than just going grass to begin with.  Somebody wasn't honest.  Best thing about grass is it is not as hot on the field during games. 


I think this is 95% coach preference.

I imagine money is no issue for them up there.....turf or Bermuda. The SEC network promised that.
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Post by: Valleysports on May 30, 2018, 01:30:48 pm
Take a turf break and RECRUIT!  ::)
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Post by: AirWarren on May 30, 2018, 02:44:01 pm
Take a turf break and RECRUIT!  ::)

Amen.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on May 30, 2018, 08:57:56 pm
LOL!  Turf or grass?  How many games is that going to be the deciding factor?
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Post by: Valleysports on June 06, 2018, 11:43:43 pm
So y'all going to play football after 2018?  Arkansas #53 while Alabama and A&M are at 1 and 2.  Like other teams have 13-14, 4/5 star comitts. Hogs 4, 3 stars. This has to change.
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Post by: Valleysports on June 17, 2018, 12:03:28 pm
Arkansas moves up to #52, 2019 recruits. Alabama, A&M, LSU top 5. Auburn & Ole Miss top 15.  Go Hogs!
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Post by: Valleysports on July 18, 2018, 10:56:21 pm
One of the questions Morris was asked on media day was whos Arkansas Rival. He spoked some filler for a moment then made a great save "Arkansas'rival is ourselves". There is more truth to that than he knows!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: footballfan-tastic on July 19, 2018, 09:41:38 am
One of the questions Morris was asked on media day was whos Arkansas Rival. He spoked some filler for a moment then made a great save "Arkansas'rival is ourselves". There is more truth to that than he knows!

A friend told me he struggled with that question, "who's Arkansas Rival".. Really?  He didn't go in with a prepped answer?   Sounds like he should have done a little more prep before media day.    Key for Morris is recruiting right now. I think most would agree to that.  Next is coaching.  You win with talent and he better get some top level guys.  Coaching, well without talent it doesn't matter much but from what I've seen they are doing what lots of teams are doing, nothing new in the football world just new to Arkansas.
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Post by: bulldoghistorian on July 20, 2018, 01:58:14 pm
My game by game predictions:
Vs Eastern Illinois (W)
At Colorado State (W)
Vs North Texas (W)
At Auburn (L)
Vs Texas A&M at Dallas (L)
Vs Alabama (L)
Vs Ole Miss at Little Rock (W)
Vs Tulsa (W)
Vs Vanderbilt (W)
Vs LSU (L)
At Mississippi State (L)
At Missouri (L)
2-6 in the SEC, but 6-6 over all and a bowl game.
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Post by: gameoflife on July 21, 2018, 10:10:56 am
My game by game predictions:
Vs Eastern Illinois (W)
At Colorado State (W)
Vs North Texas (W)
At Auburn (L)
Vs Texas A&M at Dallas (L)
Vs Alabama (L)
Vs Ole Miss at Little Rock (W)
Vs Tulsa (W)
Vs Vanderbilt (W)
Vs LSU (L)
At Mississippi State (L)
At Missouri (L)
2-6 in the SEC, but 6-6 over all and a bowl game.

Certainly wouldn't say Ole Miss or Vanderbilt are a lock.  Predictions are Vandy is a 50/50 game and Vandy can't play in a bowl game so all they have is play for a better season and to be a spoiler.  Who is easier to spoil than Arkansas?  If we drop one of those its 5 wins and if, heaven forbid, we lose one of the opening 3 its a disaster!!! Bowl game at 6-6 is silly and always has been but that's how the NCAA works.
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Post by: beach bum on July 21, 2018, 11:17:46 am
How about LSU playing a murderers row of a schedule? They have to play Georgia and Florida from the East who are probably going to finish 1 and 2 respectively over in that division. Then throw in a week 1 game against Miami, and playing the 6 other West opponents. Since we are their rival, if we place merely a decent team on the field we should play them competitively at least. If we do field an ok team then you can say LSU does not have one single conference game where you can check mark them a win in. I would think 9-3 is the ceiling for them and 6-6 would not be that far fetched. Look at our East opponents compared to their two East opponents. If we had their schedule we would be staring at a 3-9 season or 4-8 at best. That is why I want to see the SEC go to a 9 game non conference schedule like the other conferences have. Throw out one of those garbage non conference games for a third cross divisional game. A third cross divisional game decreases the likelihood of an imbalanced schedule too as we are consistently seeing now.
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Post by: beach bum on July 21, 2018, 11:18:56 am
I think LSU's schedule is why the media has them picked 5th in the West.... With easier East opponents I think the media would have had them 3rd or 4th instead of 5th.
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Post by: bulldoghistorian on July 21, 2018, 03:47:21 pm
How about LSU playing a murderers row of a schedule? They have to play Georgia and Florida from the East who are probably going to finish 1 and 2 respectively over in that division. Then throw in a week 1 game against Miami, and playing the 6 other West opponents. Since we are their rival, if we place merely a decent team on the field we should play them competitively at least. If we do field an ok team then you can say LSU does not have one single conference game where you can check mark them a win in. I would think 9-3 is the ceiling for them and 6-6 would not be that far fetched. Look at our East opponents compared to their two East opponents. If we had their schedule we would be staring at a 3-9 season or 4-8 at best. That is why I want to see the SEC go to a 9 game non conference schedule like the other conferences have. Throw out one of those garbage non conference games for a third cross divisional game. A third cross divisional game decreases the likelihood of an imbalanced schedule too as we are consistently seeing now.
I think LSU's schedule is why the media has them picked 5th in the West.... With easier East opponents I think the media would have had them 3rd or 4th instead of 5th.
So true, and less than 6 wins is a possibility for them too. I canít imagine what their fans would be like if they didnít go bowling.
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Post by: bleudog on July 21, 2018, 03:54:58 pm
My game by game predictions:
Vs Eastern Illinois (W)
At Colorado State (W)
Vs North Texas (W)
At Auburn (L)
Vs Texas A&M at Dallas (L)
Vs Alabama (L)
Vs Ole Miss at Little Rock (W)
Vs Tulsa (W)
Vs Vanderbilt (W)
Vs LSU (L)
At Mississippi State (L)
At Missouri (L)
2-6 in the SEC, but 6-6 over all and a bowl game.


E Illinois        99 %     44   10
Colorado St   57 %      38   35   
North Texas   78 %     42   32
Auburn          4 %      17   41   
Texas A&M    31 %     34   41   
Alabama         2 %     14   42   
Mississippi     41 %     35   38   
Tulsa              68 %     37   31   
Vanderbilt      54 %     34   31
LSU              18 %     21   34   
Mississippi St  14 %     24   38   
Missouri         34 %     35   41   

https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=300937
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Post by: bulldoghistorian on July 21, 2018, 04:12:14 pm

E Illinois        99 %     44   10
Colorado St   57 %      38   35   
North Texas   78 %     42   32
Auburn          4 %      17   41   
Texas A&M    31 %     34   41   
Alabama         2 %     14   42   
Mississippi     41 %     35   38   
Tulsa              68 %     37   31   
Vanderbilt      54 %     34   31
LSU              18 %     21   34   
Mississippi St  14 %     24   38   
Missouri         34 %     35   41   

https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=300937

Interesting.
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Post by: HorseFeathers on July 21, 2018, 05:11:00 pm
Yeah I'm thinking Colorado State isn't the gimme everyone is thinking it will be....Not very often does an SEC school(of any caliber) make a road trip to a Group of 5 school...so it'll be like a Super Bowl for them....
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Post by: bleudog on July 21, 2018, 05:32:23 pm
Yeah I'm thinking Colorado State isn't the gimme everyone is thinking it will be....Not very often does an SEC school(of any caliber) make a road trip to a Group of 5 school...so it'll be like a Super Bowl for them....

Any chance this becomes a factor?

Fayetteville - 1,400 ft above sea level.
Fort Collins - 5,000 ft above sea level.
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Post by: beach bum on July 21, 2018, 06:38:26 pm
Any chance this becomes a factor?

Fayetteville - 1,400 ft above sea level.
Fort Collins - 5,000 ft above sea level.


I went jogging earlier in the month between 5,400 and 8,800 ft for about a week and a half.... and for the first couple days my throat was a little tingly and my upper chest was tight from the lower level of oxygen. I came from 1,200 ft before that. I think the lineman will feel it especially. The ratio I have seen before is someone will run about 10-12 seconds slower per mile at 5,000 ft compared to sea level. I know that is distance running so kind of apples to oranges a bit, but I am sure the big guys on defense will feel that if Colorado State goes up tempo on offense.
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Post by: beach bum on July 21, 2018, 06:41:13 pm
Yeah I'm thinking Colorado State isn't the gimme everyone is thinking it will be....Not very often does an SEC school(of any caliber) make a road trip to a Group of 5 school...so it'll be like a Super Bowl for them....

I think you are right they are going to be fired up there to play an SEC school. They can score points too. Defense is a little suspect, but that game is worrisome.
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Post by: bleudog on July 21, 2018, 07:00:21 pm

I went jogging earlier in the month between 5,400 and 8,800 ft for about a week and a half.... and for the first couple days my throat was a little tingly and my upper chest was tight from the lower level of oxygen. I came from 1,200 ft before that. I think the lineman will feel it especially. The ratio I have seen before is someone will run about 10-12 seconds slower per mile at 5,000 ft compared to sea level. I know that is distance running so kind of apples to oranges a bit, but I am sure the big guys on defense will feel that if Colorado State goes up tempo on offense.

I watch most of my live college games in north Louisiana.   Always a strategic advantage to host a northern team on Labor Day weekend when near I-20 it could still be 90 degrees / 90% humidity at 9:00 p.m.   8)
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Post by: Valleysports on July 22, 2018, 12:01:57 pm
How about LSU playing a murderers row of a schedule? They have to play Georgia and Florida from the East who are probably going to finish 1 and 2 respectively over in that division.

A&M plays Clemson and Alabama, week 1 & 3, who are probably going to finish 1 and 2 respectively in college football.  I could see A&M beat up and having Posttraumatic stress disorder coming into the Arkansas Game..
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Post by: beach bum on July 22, 2018, 08:32:22 pm
I watch most of my live games in north Louisiana.   Always a strategic advantage to host a northern team on Labor Day weekend when it could still be 90 degrees / 90% humidity at 9:00 pm. near I-20.   8)

Makes me think of those late August or early September high school games when you start seeing the kids drop like flies from cramping.....
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Post by: beach bum on July 22, 2018, 08:33:36 pm
A&M plays Clemson and Alabama, week 1 & 3, who are probably going to finish 1 and 2 respectively in college football.  I could see A&M beat up and having Posttraumatic stress disorder coming into the Arkansas Game..


Sports talk was making fun of A&M the other day and I was thinking "come on guys we might want to beat them once in a decade before we start talking smack".... I'll believe it when I see it of Arkansas beating A&M
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on July 23, 2018, 06:56:35 pm
This may be the most important season in a long time that is coming up. 
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Post by: sportsguy80 on July 24, 2018, 07:53:17 pm
This may be the most important season in a long time that is coming up.
You may be right but Iím not expecting anything more than what will happen. The biggest difference I see this season that few are taking about is how hard the players will play for Morris. Most quit on Coach B before the season even started last year.
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Post by: beach bum on July 24, 2018, 08:13:40 pm
I'll be brave enough to take a stab at what's ahead.....

EAST
1. Georgia 6-2 (I actually see them disappointing upon what people expect is an 11-1 or 12-0 season ahead)
2.Florida 5-3
3.South Carolina 5-3
4.Kentucky 3-5
5.Missouri 3-5
6.Vanderbilt 2-6
7.Tennessee 1-7

WEST
1.Alabama 8-0
2.Auburn 6-2
3.Miss State 5-3
4.Texas A&M 4-4
5.LSU 4-4
6.Ole Miss 3-5
7.Arkansas 1-7
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Post by: HorseFeathers on July 24, 2018, 09:11:10 pm
Clay Travis will have his readers rioting again if Tennessee finishes last in the east
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on July 26, 2018, 07:35:43 pm
You may be right but Iím not expecting anything more than what will happen. The biggest difference I see this season that few are taking about is how hard the players will play for Morris. Most quit on Coach B before the season even started last year.

There is something to be said about having players who will play hard for their coach.  I think the majority of athletes at almost every school do this.  So, no real advantage to UA there.  This is more true when you consider the quality of the athletes we will take the field with.  All you have to do is look at the SEC preseason picks for all conference.  We are low man on the pole.
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Post by: AirWarren on July 26, 2018, 09:56:13 pm
Big pickup tonight. Collin Clay. 4* 6í5 255 DL
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Post by: bulldoghistorian on July 28, 2018, 01:24:53 pm
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/back-to-back-arkansas-lands-another-saturday-commitment-from-texas-db-myles-brooks/
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Post by: AirWarren on July 28, 2018, 03:29:11 pm
Marcus miller. Warren.

Committed!!!!
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Post by: AirWarren on July 28, 2018, 03:30:51 pm
According to rivals.

26th in nation.
13th by star composite.
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Post by: Valleysports on July 29, 2018, 12:14:34 am
According to rivals.

26th in nation.
13th by star composite.

Great to see some recruiting wins.  I was beginning to think y'all were going to phase out football.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on July 29, 2018, 08:40:57 am
Been a dead period here. However I told you Morris was chasing some highly rated players. Just about every other team was full of commitments.

But as of now Morris is on the average with some room to spare. Hope the commits keep coming.

As for this year we are picked dead last. Coaching and philosophy change with players recruited and built for whatever we were doing, was hard to tell sometimes the past couple years, to what Morris is going to run is a big change
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Post by: AirWarren on July 29, 2018, 01:34:47 pm
Great to see some recruiting wins.  I was beginning to think y'all were going to phase out football.

Itís an improvement, for sure.
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Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on July 29, 2018, 06:55:50 pm
Itís an improvement, for sure.
Improvement for sure. Let's keep um coming
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Post by: Romeo on July 31, 2018, 03:19:19 pm
I know I'm going to sound like a negative nancy, but the recruiting now isn't much different than the recruiting the last several years. We usually finish within the mid to late twenties in recruiting rankings. The key ranking to look for is conference ranking. In another conference, we'll probably be within the top five, but in the SEC, were 10th out of 14. Realistically, any coach that comes to Arkansas will have to do more with less.
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Post by: beach bum on July 31, 2018, 03:26:42 pm
I know I'm going to sound like a negative nancy, but the recruiting now isn't much different than the recruiting the last several years. We usually finish within the mid to late twenties in recruiting rankings. The key ranking to look for is conference ranking. In another conference, we'll probably be within the top five, but in the SEC, were 10th out of 14. Realistically, any coach that comes to Arkansas will have to do more with less.


That is exactly what I said when people were saying Morris is already out recruiting BB..... Bret actually recruited just fine by Arkansas standards which is what made the end of his tenure look even worse in my opinion. Recruiting rankings aren't perfect, but people kept saying the last few years we have not had any players when he actually recruited just fine. Burks is the obvious guy jumping off the charts and he deserves every ounce of praise he is getting. All the other players are good, solid pick ups we tend to get and par for the course. Warren keeps pumping them out and the U of A in Fayetteville keeps saying thank you!! The state is so lucky to have that program in SE Arkansas.
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Post by: beach bum on July 31, 2018, 03:33:01 pm
Now one thing I am sure the new staff will be better at is development.... I am not sure that will be too hard to top the last staff though!!
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Post by: AirWarren on August 01, 2018, 03:05:33 pm
Sealed the deal with another 4 star today.

Adonis Otey, CB out of Murfreesboro, TN. Had offers from Tennessee and Louisville.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on August 01, 2018, 08:25:40 pm
The one thing that is different is that Morris has reached the average we usually see. However the class isnít full yet.
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Post by: Valleysports on August 04, 2018, 02:13:03 pm
Romeo, Beach Bum, without re-posting what y'all said above I agree.  I've wondered what the ceiling, for Arkansas, in these modern times is.  If money were no object could Arkansas hire a $75 million coach, build the biggest stadium in the Nation, recruit Top 5 classes, and win a Championship?  Obviously I compare UofA to A&M because the two schools have similarities, turning things around with new coaches.  UofA fans are thinking that in a few years, with the imagination of this coach, we'll have some winning seasons possibly winning the SEC West.  A&M fans & coaches are thinking National Championship or Bust!   
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Post by: Valleysports on August 12, 2018, 08:06:15 pm
Can't we get this college football season started already?
 
We also need a Buckeye thread.  Learned a lot on that thread, like what a Buckeye is, there's a t in tOHS, and about the PAC 12 teams.  Helps to hear outside perspective concerning SEC also.

Let's go!
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Post by: bulldoghistorian on August 13, 2018, 02:59:37 pm
Another injury
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/report-jeremy-patton-leaves-arkansas-practice-injured-and-returns-in-walking-boot-to-be-further-evaluated/
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Post by: AirWarren on August 13, 2018, 03:31:11 pm
Another injury
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/report-jeremy-patton-leaves-arkansas-practice-injured-and-returns-in-walking-boot-to-be-further-evaluated/

Sadly, we have some quality depth there.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on August 14, 2018, 10:02:08 pm
Patton has a bruise according to Morris. Will be back in a week or so.

We have had several injuries on the line though by what Iíve read
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Post by: RZback on August 20, 2018, 01:35:17 pm
The reports coming out of practice this fall don't do much to ease the fears of another bad season.  Seems the head man and the coordinators are cautiously un-optimistic.  The talent level is not there yet and the jury is out on all elements of the new program.
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Post by: beach bum on August 20, 2018, 02:35:10 pm
The reports coming out of practice this fall don't do much to ease the fears of another bad season.  Seems the head man and the coordinators are cautiously un-optimistic.  The talent level is not there yet and the jury is out on all elements of the new program.

I am hearing we may be starting 2 redshirt freshmen on the OL and that is not a good sign for me. The OL and QB play are huge questions. I think the RB and WR position is good enough for this conference, but they need blocking and a guy to get them the ball which is stating the obvious but that is worrisome.
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Post by: cuckoobird on August 21, 2018, 03:17:06 pm
I am hearing we may be starting 2 redshirt freshmen on the OL and that is not a good sign for me. The OL and QB play are huge questions. I think the RB and WR position is good enough for this conference, but they need blocking and a guy to get them the ball which is stating the obvious but that is worrisome.
please please say one of them is replacing froholt or whatever his name is. They should put red headed step child on his back because he gets beat like one...
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Post by: bdubyab60 on August 22, 2018, 10:20:12 pm
Froholdt is starting center
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Post by: bdubyab60 on August 22, 2018, 10:30:33 pm
I havenít seen Morris with much praise for anyone during his pressers. There a few this guy did a good job todayís but not many. Morris has said the same thing in just about every practice. So itís really hard to get a read on what is going on.

Is he just that much of a perfectionist. He certainly isnít pumping the sunshine like BB did. Doesnít tip his hand much as to what is really going on. So unless you have been in one of the practices or scrimmages and seen it with your own eyes we then we are just guessing.

I have read that there are 4 OL out. 3 season ending. So where we were already thin we are thinner and have moved another DL to the OL. This one did at least play some OL in HS.

I havenít had my hopes up 6-6 is where Iím still at for the season. Looking like we have actually played football before will be an improvement as well.

Good news is football season is here
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Post by: cuckoobird on August 23, 2018, 02:05:48 pm
Froholdt is starting center
That's terrible news
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Post by: AirWarren on August 23, 2018, 04:30:17 pm
That's terrible news

Give him a chance. Remember, that worthless pile of dung Kurt Anderson is gone.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on August 23, 2018, 08:12:01 pm
For whatís itís worth Morris said Froholdt is doing better than any of them
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Post by: cuckoobird on August 24, 2018, 09:50:53 am
For whatís itís worth Morris said Froholdt is doing better than any of them
unless he's improved tremendously that's even worse news. I see more sacks than a grocery store check out coming this season
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Post by: beach bum on August 24, 2018, 11:46:24 am
unless he's improved tremendously that's even worse news. I see more sacks than a grocery store check out coming this season


LMBO... Yea when we are plucking starting SEC lineman from Nordic nations that's not a good sign of where the offensive line unit sits in its overall picture.
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Post by: cuckoobird on August 24, 2018, 12:21:35 pm

LMBO... Yea when we are plucking starting SEC lineman from Nordic nations that's not a good sign of where the offensive line unit sits in its overall picture.
not to mention he wasn't recruited for OL. Bert moved him there from the DL
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Post by: AirWarren on August 24, 2018, 12:44:56 pm

LMBO... Yea when we are plucking starting SEC lineman from Nordic nations that's not a good sign of where the offensive line unit sits in its overall picture.

I'll argue that point with you my friend. Interesting article came out a couple of years ago in relation to Bielema's failures at Arkansas and with recruiting adequate size in the SEC. Alvarez said about the Wisconsin area:

ďWhen I took the job I looked at the state of Wisconsin and you have some of the biggest people in the world there,Ē Alvarez said. ďYou look at our nationalities and theyíre German, theyíre Scandanavian, they are big people. You have a camp and you have guys that are 6-6, you have more 300 pounders than you can shake a stick at. Now, not a lot of speed there, not a lot of speed in our state."

http://hitthatline.com/alvarez-subtly-points-out-problems-bielema-long-have/


Hjalte Froholdt is a 6-5 265lbs from Svendborg, Denmark. That is what Alvarez was talking about. Those kinds of players are everywhere in Wisconsin...of Scandinavian decent. The names on the back of the offensive linemen at Wisconsin is like looking at a soccer team or a hockey team. I think Bielema was doing how he was mentored honestly. Problem was....he had no idea how to coach them up and he had a bonehead OL coach.
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Post by: cuckoobird on August 24, 2018, 01:47:52 pm
Note is says big and slow. Thatís why he gets beat like a drum in the big and fast SEC
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Post by: bleudog on August 24, 2018, 01:59:54 pm
I'll argue that point with you my friend. Interesting article came out a couple of years ago in relation to Bielema's failures at Arkansas and with recruiting adequate size in the SEC. Alvarez said about the Wisconsin area:

“When I took the job I looked at the state of Wisconsin and you have some of the biggest people in the world there,” Alvarez said. “You look at our nationalities and they’re German, they’re Scandanavian, they are big people. You have a camp and you have guys that are 6-6, you have more 300 pounders than you can shake a stick at. Now, not a lot of speed there, not a lot of speed in our state."

http://hitthatline.com/alvarez-subtly-points-out-problems-bielema-long-have/


Hjalte Froholdt is a 6-5 265lbs from Svendborg, Denmark. That is what Alvarez was talking about. Those kinds of players are everywhere in Wisconsin...of Scandinavian decent. The names on the back of the offensive linemen at Wisconsin is like looking at a soccer team or a hockey team. I think Bielema was doing how he was mentored honestly. Problem was....he had no idea how to coach them up and he had a bonehead OL coach.


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Post by: Redwolves8526 on August 27, 2018, 11:29:59 am
Really enjoyed the video on twitter/facebook yesterday of the 3 walk-ons earning scholarships and how Morris did it. I recognized one of the names, Devon McClure. Was that the freak athlete from Jacksonville that was ridiculously good at baseball too or am I way off base with that?
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on August 27, 2018, 12:01:23 pm
Maybe Morris is a snake oil salesman but it doesn't sound good and unfortunately from what I understand and see, it doesn't look good to too many people either.  Please at least make the guy earn his paycheck before giving him an extension like we did the last guy. 
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Post by: HorseFeathers on August 27, 2018, 01:51:57 pm
Already preaching gloom and doom before the first game.... Sounds like you've already wrote him off and ready to move on to the next potential coach?
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Post by: bleudog on August 27, 2018, 02:21:00 pm
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/arkansas-football-cole-kelley-wins-starting-job-but-competition-continues/
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Post by: gameoflife on August 30, 2018, 08:36:19 pm
And in two days the saga continues.  I think a big win is expected and should be pretty easy to achieve, I don't think this game tells us much about what will happen in conference play but it should show whether or not we can play without many mistakes and with some intensity.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on August 31, 2018, 10:26:49 am
All three of the first three games are must wins if Arkansas wants any chance of a successful season and possible bowl game. 
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Post by: AirWarren on August 31, 2018, 10:35:35 am
All three of the first three games are must wins if Arkansas wants any chance of a successful season and possible bowl game. 

If Arkansas loses the first three. Itís time to shut down the university and move everything out of NW Arkansas.
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Post by: Valleysports on August 31, 2018, 11:10:26 am
If Arkansas loses the first three. Itís time to shut down the university and move everything out of NW Arkansas.

LIKE
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Post by: cuckoobird on August 31, 2018, 07:15:35 pm
Agree AW
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Post by: RZback on September 01, 2018, 06:43:05 pm
Got the win but lots to work on.  I hate to think what our slow QB's are going to look like trying to run an offense and stay out of the hands of an SEC defense. We got a win, scored a lot and that's important but we struggled at times.
One question, Why white uni's?
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on September 01, 2018, 07:08:56 pm
Got the win but lots to work on.  I hate to think what our slow QB's are going to look like trying to run an offense and stay out of the hands of an SEC defense. We got a win, scored a lot and that's important but we struggled at times.
One question, Why white uni's?

Watched the game with some friends and this sounds like our conversation.
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Post by: bulldoghistorian on September 01, 2018, 07:20:08 pm
I know it was E Illinois, but did Storey win the starting job today? I think he made a strong case!
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on September 01, 2018, 07:23:35 pm
He did have a good showing in this game but as you said it was E. Illinois.  But it was the same team Kelly was playing against.  I do agree with the perception that our QB's are slow afoot. SEC lineman are licking theirs lips right now.
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Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on September 01, 2018, 11:04:43 pm
All three of the first three games are must wins if Arkansas wants any chance of a successful season and possible bowl game.
They should win all three
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Post by: bigworm on September 02, 2018, 01:09:32 am
Im a lil spooked after watchin what bama did to Petrinos high powered louisville O. 😐
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Post by: WPWells on September 02, 2018, 08:10:55 am
Im a lil spooked after watchin what bama did to Petrinos high powered louisville O. 😐

Except that literally no one expects us to beat Bama...
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 02, 2018, 09:03:00 am
Hopefully we improve instead of stay flat like the pst fee years. Running game is going to have to pick up. We looked more aggressive and physical on defense. Caused what 5 turnovers, thatís half of what we caused all last year.

Was it the greatest performance no but not the worst either. I thought we should have hung 70 on them.

Once Storey came in it was a different offense. He made the quick decisions and the right ones. Kelley didnít seem able to do that today. It may have been the separation Morris was looking for. Another game like that and Storey would definitely be our starter.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 02, 2018, 04:00:56 pm
I don't know if Storey will be the starter after another game or not but I do know we are slow at that position and that is scary when you look at conference play.  Yes, the run game needs work. But then, a win is a win.
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Post by: beach bum on September 02, 2018, 05:26:25 pm
Well there is one more positive.... Colorado State seems to have fallen off the map. They have been a decent non power 5 of late but seem to be horrendous this year. If we can not beat a team the was just destroyed by Colorado thats not good
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 02, 2018, 07:08:15 pm
We open at 12.5 favorite. We should expect some improvement in the next game. Iím not as worried about the WB if one of the two plays like Storey did. I am concerned about the run game. EIU coach said the plan was to make one of our QBs beat them and stop the run. Even so with the backs we have we should have been able to get more than 83 yards in e would think. I know Morris didnít pull out all the stops and sometimes you use short passes as the running game but we have to be able to run the ball.

Need to get Greenlaw back hopefully his injury isnít to serious.
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Post by: RZback on September 05, 2018, 07:14:43 am
Colorado should be a win for sure looking at how they have played.  I'm concerned about North Texas who beat SMU pretty good on Saturday 46-23.  Score was 39-7 with 1:41 left in game.  When the subs got in it got ugly quick.
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Post by: Valleysports on September 05, 2018, 11:34:26 am
I'm going to give it to you straight.  Ya got problems (serious problems) in the Trenches.  If your offensive line can't dominate an NAIA team, how the heck are you going to keep SEC defenses from pouring through like water?  Third & Fourth quarters, tongue hanging, QB's running for their lives, football coming in SEC play.  Sorry.
   
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Post by: RZback on September 05, 2018, 12:01:44 pm
I'm going to give it to you straight.  Ya got problems (serious problems) in the Trenches.  If your offensive line can't dominate an NAIA team, how the heck are you going to keep SEC defenses from pouring through like water?  Third & Fourth quarters, tongue hanging, QB's running for their lives, football coming in SEC play.  Sorry.
   

This is also a concern of mine.  If we are struggling now its going to get really bad in a few weeks.  I just don't think we have the talent level we need as this point to compete on the SEC level.  As slow as our QB's look we need a great OL to protect them in the passing game and lord knows our run game was bad.
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Post by: Cabotfan on September 05, 2018, 01:06:00 pm
One question, Why white uni's?

Heard Morris say it was to keep the players cooler with the heat of the afternoon game and nothing else.   
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Post by: sportsguy80 on September 08, 2018, 07:05:34 pm
Well the running game looks much better so far.
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Post by: bulldoghistorian on September 08, 2018, 07:29:55 pm
Well the running game looks much better so far.
Agreed!!!
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 08, 2018, 08:12:59 pm
As good as he played last week he has stunk it up this week. Making poor decisions and bad throws.

Should be up by 20 and should have 5 INTS.

Defense is playing well. Running the ball better but that slow developing stuff isnít going to cut it here in a few weeks. Backs are tip toeing to the line instead hitting the hole.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 08, 2018, 09:35:43 pm
Should have went for it a mid field
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Post by: bulldoghistorian on September 08, 2018, 09:43:19 pm
Should have went for it a mid field
Yep, May come back to haunt us!
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Post by: Valleysports on September 08, 2018, 09:46:15 pm
 ;) 
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 08, 2018, 10:03:21 pm
Absolutely horrible play calling. Horrible decisions by our QBs all night. We deserve to lose this game.

Iím finding a hard time finding another game we win this year
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 08, 2018, 10:04:36 pm
And why Iím the world is the only darn receiver they have not double covered
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Post by: beach bum on September 08, 2018, 10:08:01 pm
I guess Coach Morris drove us in the right lane of the highway all the way to Fort Collins?
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Post by: sportsguy80 on September 08, 2018, 10:10:58 pm
Gonna be a LONG season folks
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Post by: beach bum on September 08, 2018, 10:14:25 pm
This is the same team that lost to Hawaii and got blasted by Colorado....
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 08, 2018, 10:16:57 pm
Hate to say it but I think we are the worst team in the SEC and it ainít even close. All I heard was what a genius Morris is as an offensive mind. What I saw wasnít better than what we had. Horrible play calling and no guts. Neither QB can make a decision.

Absolutely sick right now. I can handle a loss but I am sick and tired of giving dang games away.
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Post by: Romeo on September 08, 2018, 10:20:28 pm
You gotta love the message boards after a loss, especially Hogville.
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Post by: beach bum on September 08, 2018, 10:23:15 pm
If some of these class of 2019 and 2020 guys were smart they would decommit now and run away as fast as they can....
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Post by: sportsguy80 on September 08, 2018, 10:30:08 pm
If some of these class of 2019 and 2020 guys were smart they would decommit now and run away as fast as they can....
If things donít get better, some will flip
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Post by: beach bum on September 08, 2018, 10:32:50 pm
If things donít get better, some will flip


My comment may anger some, but I want to see our local high school kids succeed at the next level even if that means going somewhere besides Fayetteville to do what's best for them at the next level.
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Post by: bulldoghistorian on September 08, 2018, 10:38:48 pm
Should have went for it a mid field
Yep, May come back to haunt us!
And it did indeed!!
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Post by: sportsguy80 on September 08, 2018, 10:47:31 pm
Weíre really about to see what this team and coaching staff are made of. How will we handle this loss? North Texas wonít have any sympathy and appears a much better team than Colorado St.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 08, 2018, 10:49:39 pm
Look I didnít expect an instant turn around. I figured between 4-6 wins.

Some horrible and conservative play calling cost us this game. Again poor decisions by our QBs, poor throws and wrong reads. One canít even make the decision to throw the ball.

Defense played solid for 3 quarters. Then started playing soft and making mistakes.

I hate giving games away.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 08, 2018, 10:51:23 pm

My comment may anger some, but I want to see our local high school kids succeed at the next level even if that means going somewhere besides Fayetteville to do what's best for them at the next level.
We need the best we can get to turn this thing around
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Post by: gameoflife on September 09, 2018, 03:44:42 pm
So here's a good explanation of why we lost.
"We were better than that team, hands down.  They know that, we know that.  But we lost the game.  We beat ourselves today. Colorado State sis not beat us.  We beat ourselves."  Cole Kelley.

"We thought we had it finished and wrapped up, but Colorado State came out and made the plays,  It's a horrible loss." T.J. Hammonds.

"We felt the longer we let them hang around and the more momentum they picked up, the more confidence they got, so I give them credit,"  Chad Morris.

So first the better team yesterday won.  Good teams don't beat themselves.  I'm pretty sure Colorado feels it earned that victory by outplaying the Hogs through 4 quarters.  Finish, is one of Morris's watch words. The 4th quarter, which is part of the game, was a disaster for Arkansas.  Thinking you had it wrapped up is what's been wrong with the Hogs for a while now.  Nobody gives you nothing, you have to earn it all in this game.  A special note, teaching moment.  At the goal line do not hit a running back in the back and drive him towards the end zone.

As for letting them hang around. Well, we had poor playing calling and the decision to get away from the running game late was a coaching error. As coaches you are supposed to steer the ship and keep the pedal to the metal, you know in the left lane kind of thing.  BTW you didn't give them credit, they earned it.
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Post by: Valleysports on September 09, 2018, 07:11:43 pm
If some of these class of 2019 and 2020 guys were smart they would decommit now and run away as fast as they can....

Other SEC Schools have full 2019 rosters filled with 4 and 5 star commits. Where are Arkansas 3 stars going to go?  The reality is that a turnaround at Arkansas will take time, a lot of time (years), and a lot of upgrade recruiting.  Arkansas hired Morris to rebuild this program, all Fans can do is wait and see.  Besides that,  it is early in the season....           
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Post by: bigworm on September 09, 2018, 07:48:16 pm
Im disappointed by this loss, but like Marcus Elliot said...tgese are the same players that werent very good last year under a new not mastered system. Should we ever lose to colo st? No! But the same kids that let their foot off the pedal over the last couple years are the same kids playin now. Im certain the coaches take 100 percent pf the blame but at the emd of the day the players have to play.
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 09, 2018, 09:38:51 pm
It was a really bad loss and hi-lighted our lack of talent and I'm afraid a not so good coaching staff judging from some of the game decisions.  North Texas is scary.  They destroyed SMU, Morris' former team.  If we lose to NT what changes are there to win another game. Tulsa played Texas to one score, North Texas bested SMU, Vandy and Ole Miss are 2-0.  If we lose to NT we will be 1-5 when we get to Ole Miss.  I think its is very doubtful that we wind up with anything resembling a winning season without some near miracle turnaround.   
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Post by: bleudog on September 09, 2018, 10:05:43 pm
https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=300937




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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 09, 2018, 10:09:35 pm
So NT and Tulsa they think we will win.  I'd say NT is iffy right now.
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Post by: GettingStarted on September 10, 2018, 12:13:00 pm
I hope the staff and team are having a good evaluation of what needs to be done to turn us around.  North Texas and Tulsa could be the only wins if we don't get on tract.  Maybe no more wins if we don't. 
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Post by: gameoflife on September 10, 2018, 03:58:57 pm
Our new head coach has a real task ahead.  Unproven head coach at the collegiate level has to find a way to turn this around before the roof collapses.
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Post by: beach bum on September 10, 2018, 04:41:41 pm
Our new head coach has a real task ahead. Unproven head coach at the collegiate level has to find a way to turn this around before the roof collapses.


Oh he is proven at the collegiate level, well maybe in the wrong way but.... 14-22 at a non power 5 and that somehow landed him an SEC job.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 10, 2018, 08:13:29 pm

Oh he is proven at the collegiate level, well maybe in the wrong way but.... 14-22 at a non power 5 and that somehow landed him an SEC job.
Sure were some shaky decisions made and not just the 4th down.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 10, 2018, 08:44:57 pm
Think back about how the hiring took place.  We seemed to wait a long time to get busy on an active hire, we passed up or could not land coaches with more experience and better records, we hired an AD that seemed to coordinate with the Texas coach we hired.  The guy on our staff with the most experience is the DC. 
All this doesn't mean Morris may not pan out, but it did not seem to be a well thought out hire.  A program that was in the ditch on the side of the road needed a big time name that would instantly add power to recruiting.  Honestly BB had a better track record and we fired him.
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Post by: bigworm on September 10, 2018, 10:17:57 pm
The old heads are convinced we have to have a solid in road to texas recruits to have success. Old heads made the hire. Morris was that in road. I guess time will tell. This season is gonna be terrible. But maybe in the next 20 years we wilp compete for the west again. 😂🤣😭
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Post by: cuckoobird on September 11, 2018, 11:02:35 am
Morris may pan out so this isnít really directed toward him. The administration and big time boosters have made so many poor decisions in the past decade it makes me wonder about their knowledge of anything
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Post by: AirWarren on September 11, 2018, 11:22:14 am
Morris may pan out so this isnít really directed toward him. The administration and big time boosters have made so many poor decisions in the past decade it makes me wonder about their knowledge of anything


Letís add seats to an already empty stadium.


Oh I forgot. ďDemandĒ.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 11, 2018, 02:49:46 pm
Take a look at SMU and you see the direction we are headed.  I think Morris was 13-22 in 3 seasons.  What type talent did he bring to a Texas school.  Right now SMU doesn't look so good after losing to North Texas 23-46.  Was that with 3 years of Texas boys?   I don't care where the players come from as long as they come.  How many big name players jumped up to beg for a scholarship after we hired Coach Morris?
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Post by: AirWarren on September 11, 2018, 03:50:10 pm
Take a look at SMU and you see the direction we are headed.  I think Morris was 13-22 in 3 seasons.  What type talent did he bring to a Texas school.  Right now SMU doesn't look so good after losing to North Texas 23-46.  Was that with 3 years of Texas boys?   I don't care where the players come from as long as they come.  How many big name players jumped up to beg for a scholarship after we hired Coach Morris?

No offense. But itís smu. Look what it took to get Baylor where they are. A crook.

Smu never recovered from the death penalty.
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Post by: cuckoobird on September 11, 2018, 03:55:12 pm
SMU has a much higher admission standard as well ever since the death penalty
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Post by: RZback on September 11, 2018, 04:24:52 pm
Think they are as high as Vandy?  I don't think we beat them if we played them last Saturday.  Wonder how SMU entrance standards compare with say Stanford?   The problem is players, you have to find a way to get the good ones. Ones better than who you play because if you look at the coaches in the SEC we ain't there at the top.
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Post by: Trojanbird on September 11, 2018, 09:31:52 pm
Right now I would say that we are the worst team in the SEC!  Hard to say that, but Kentucky and Vandy, the former door mats have surpassed us.  We are the door mat and will be for the next couple of years!  Bad hires, arrogant attitudes, money, bonuses for loosing and the good ole boy attitude did us in!  How many of us would love to have Nutt back at this point?  We have to give Morris and his staff a fair opportunity to build his program.  At least he is getting some 4 stars committed where as before it was 2s with a 3 now and then and sometimes a 4.  If we are only winning 3 SEC games after 3 years then we should consider someone else.  However for some reason I think that this guy will turn the program around!
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Post by: gameoflife on September 11, 2018, 10:20:02 pm
I'm hopeful but doubtful.  I just didn't understand the hire to begin with.  3 years as a head college coach and one winning year.  I don't think that says enough to hire him as the HC at a SEC school.  I look at where SMU is now and it doesn't look like they were left in a good place.  I don't blame Morris for grabbing  multi-million dollar job but I think at this point he is overpaid. I may have to eat my words in 3-4 years but if so, fine.  I wasn't hoping for a multi year rebuild with just a few wins a year against really poor teams.  If he really is getting 4 star guys it will show up pretty quickly.
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Post by: cuckoobird on September 11, 2018, 10:49:08 pm
Kirby smart never had a head gig heís doing pretty good. Gus only had one year at AState, heís doing pretty good.
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Post by: AirWarren on September 12, 2018, 05:46:17 am
Kirby smart never had a head gig heís doing pretty good. Gus only had one year at AState, heís doing pretty good.

Look at where Kirby is coaching and look where Gus is coaching. The heart of top notch recruiting grounds. Plus they have real tradition.

Fayetteville is no manís land and has 1964 tradition.
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Post by: RZback on September 12, 2018, 08:06:29 pm
Look at the record.  Secret to a good finish is a good start.  Things right now are now getting off to a good start.  In a couple of days maybe we see that last week was just a bad day.  The first 3 games were set up to get big, easy wins.
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Post by: bulldoghistorian on September 12, 2018, 11:22:07 pm
Both Bruce and Bazz are picking us to lose Saturday.
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Post by: Trojanbird on September 13, 2018, 02:21:57 am
Fayetteville is a very recruitable area, I don't buy the crap that no one wants to go there!  It is going to be the largest populated part of this state!  Walmart,Tyson, Hunt as well as others.  I just don't understand why people say that no one wants to go there!  We have to have coaches that can coach as well as SELL Fayetteville/Walmart,Tyson and others to recruits.
We all thought that biellma was the answer,  not only did he not win, he left us with NO players for the SEC!  Maybe 1or2 but they are overwhelmed!
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Post by: AirWarren on September 13, 2018, 08:15:02 am
Fayetteville is a very recruitable area, I don't buy the crap that no one wants to go there!  It is going to be the largest populated part of this state!  Walmart,Tyson, Hunt as well as others.  I just don't understand why people say that no one wants to go there!  We have to have coaches that can coach as well as SELL Fayetteville/Walmart,Tyson and others to recruits.
We all thought that biellma was the answer,  not only did he not win, he left us with NO players for the SEC!  Maybe 1or2 but they are overwhelmed!

An 18 year old kid doesnít give a crap about Tyson and Walmart.
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Post by: Mulerider4Life on September 13, 2018, 08:49:27 am
Fayetteville is a very recruitable area, I don't buy the crap that no one wants to go there!  It is going to be the largest populated part of this state!  Walmart,Tyson, Hunt as well as others.  I just don't understand why people say that no one wants to go there!  We have to have coaches that can coach as well as SELL Fayetteville/Walmart,Tyson and others to recruits.
We all thought that biellma was the answer,  not only did he not win, he left us with NO players for the SEC!  Maybe 1or2 but they are overwhelmed!

Why does it matter that Walmart or Hunt or Tyson is up there?
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Post by: AirWarren on September 13, 2018, 09:34:55 am
Why does it matter that Walmart or Hunt or Tyson is up there?

NOTHING.
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Post by: Trojanbird on September 13, 2018, 09:44:39 am
NOTHING.
Yes it does.  It's called big business/money.  Being able to help, the ones that want it, start a career.  The job market is definitely in that area of the state.  I can assure you that there are more opportunities in NW Arkansas than there will ever be in Warren.
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Post by: AirWarren on September 13, 2018, 09:48:27 am
Yes it does.  It's called big business/money.  Being able to help, the ones that want it, start a career.  The job market is definitely in that area of the state.  I can assure you that there are more opportunities in NW Arkansas than there will ever be in Warren.

How is that correlating to the topic at hand? Football and competing in the SEC?

Blue chips care about winning. Not fayettechill shirts, chacos, and canoes. Or close to Harrison. We will never be UGA, BAMA, ETC of the SEC.
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Post by: Valleysports on September 13, 2018, 12:16:08 pm
Recruit & Development
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 13, 2018, 03:39:30 pm
A non P5 being picked by 8 on the road at an SEC school. If we had won last week it wouldnít bother me near as much.

Iíve read a lot of talk about they havenít played anyone. But they won those games easily and we have kind of struggled even in the win at points.
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Post by: AirWarren on September 13, 2018, 03:45:04 pm
A non P5 being picked by 8 on the road at an SEC school. If we had won last week it wouldnít bother me near as much.

Iíve read a lot of talk about they havenít played anyone. But they won those games easily and we have kind of struggled even in the win at points.

This senior class has lost leads and games 6 times in their careers in Arkansas. I believe that is what I heard on the radio today.

Itís time to weed out the weak and push forward. He has a job in front of him. Let him get his kids in and then we need to worry.

As far as everyone picking NorthTexas, just win. Picks and predictions are about as impressive as global warming to me.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 13, 2018, 04:55:15 pm
Fayetteville is a nice little town.  Its a nice college town.  It's not a football SEC power town.  Football players want to go where they know they will win.  No stud wants to go struggle for 2-3 years before they start winning.  Yeah, lots of Arkansas kids want to go to Arkansas but to win we need kids from lots of other state, Texas, Florida and the like.  Those 4 and 5 stars kids aren't putting UA very high on their list if they have other offers.  To know that we are now favored to lose at home by 8 to a non P5 is a real problem.
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Post by: bleudog on September 13, 2018, 06:28:58 pm
Fayetteville is a very recruitable area, I don't buy the crap that no one wants to go there!  It is going to be the largest populated part of this state!  Walmart,Tyson, Hunt as well as others.  I just don't understand why people say that no one wants to go there!  We have to have coaches that can coach as well as SELL Fayetteville/Walmart,Tyson and others to recruits.
We all thought that biellma was the answer,  not only did he not win, he left us with NO players for the SEC!  Maybe 1or2 but they are overwhelmed!

How is that correlating to the topic at hand? Football and competing in the SEC?

Blue chips care about winning. Not fayettechill shirts, chacos, and canoes. Or close to Harrison. We will never be UGA, BAMA, ETC of the SEC.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/fayettevillecityarkansas/IPE120217
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 13, 2018, 08:46:10 pm
This senior class has lost leads and games 6 times in their careers in Arkansas. I believe that is what I heard on the radio today.

Itís time to weed out the weak and push forward. He has a job in front of him. Let him get his kids in and then we need to worry.

As far as everyone picking NorthTexas, just win. Picks and predictions are about as impressive as global warming to me.
I know itís gonna take time. Iíd rather get beat though than blow games. It just feels different losing that way.

My main gripe right now is this is supposed to be hammerdown and then some of the offensive calls last week were far from that imo.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 13, 2018, 09:23:07 pm
So my question is:  Is Chad Morris going down to Texas for the high school game on Friday? 
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Post by: bigworm on September 13, 2018, 09:36:23 pm
If kids will go to starkville they will go to fayetteville. Winnin cures lots of problems.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 13, 2018, 09:59:38 pm
Well how many times has the SEC title wound up in Starkville?
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Post by: cuckoobird on September 13, 2018, 11:07:30 pm
He should go watch his kid play. Itís the right thing to do as a father, itís UNCOUNTED recruiting trips to see players, and there is nothing he can do Friday night to make them win Saturday
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Post by: bigworm on September 13, 2018, 11:40:10 pm
Well how many times has the SEC title wound up in Starkville?

Point taken.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 14, 2018, 01:10:35 pm
He should go watch his kid play. Itís the right thing to do as a father, itís UNCOUNTED recruiting trips to see players, and there is nothing he can do Friday night to make them win Saturday

I can understand the sentiment, however when you coach big time college football and and are paid $$$millions of dollars to create a winning team and you just got embarrassed last week you better thing about your job.  Sort of like a doctor on call, you need to save lives or in this case administer CPR to a dying program. 

If his team was on firm footing and winning, then you look at things diferently.  I think he can stream the game or watch the tape at this point.  If he goes to Texas and we lose tomorrow folks should question his committment.  Working folks who make way less than 3 million a year sacrifice seeing their kids play ball every friday night. 
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Post by: WPWells on September 14, 2018, 01:35:02 pm
I can understand the sentiment, however when you coach big time college football and and are paid $$$millions of dollars to create a winning team and you just got embarrassed last week you better thing about your job.  Sort of like a doctor on call, you need to save lives or in this case administer CPR to a dying program. 

If his team was on firm footing and winning, then you look at things diferently.  I think he can stream the game or watch the tape at this point.  If he goes to Texas and we lose tomorrow folks should question his committment.  Working folks who make way less than 3 million a year sacrifice seeing their kids play ball every friday night.

I think you're being completely unreasonable and frankly sound like a jerk.

THIS IS RECRUITING. HIS KID IS A BIG-TIME PROSPECT WHO PLAYS FOR A BIG-TIME SCHOOL THAT WILL LIKELY PRODUCE OTHER BIG-TIME PROSPECTS
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Post by: cuckoobird on September 14, 2018, 08:46:53 pm
I guess if he went to a springdale vs fayetville game to watch that would be ok? Come on man youíre talking crazy. No matter how much someone makes, they have time off and what they do then is no ones business
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Post by: Valleysports on September 14, 2018, 09:31:42 pm
College Coaches are in serious 11th hour preparation the night before the game.  He has a job to do...   
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Post by: cuckoobird on September 14, 2018, 09:48:35 pm
I donít believe that. Not everyone waits until the last minute to prepare for things. Unless he has a spy who all of a sudden gave some super secret revelation, heís had time to prepare a game plan in 5 days
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Post by: Valleysports on September 15, 2018, 10:02:54 am
It's not last minute - it's pregame, the team meal, speeches to the team, wrapping up with different position coaches, next morning breakfast. They've been studying film, practicing, getting players ready all week, coaches are rehearsing and anticipating different scenarios, there are decision to make.  It's a busy night, unless things have changed in the last 30 years.  This isn't Friday Night Lights, at Pine Bluff, it's DI College Football.  Anyway -     
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Post by: Valleysports on September 15, 2018, 10:05:55 am
Chavez...  A&M's defense was very good and physical last week against Clemson.  An impressive turnaround from last year.  Same players, new DC.   :o
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Post by: sportsguy80 on September 15, 2018, 03:40:52 pm
Terrible start...
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 15, 2018, 03:43:23 pm
Pitiful.

But at least the defense showed a little guys on the short field.

I expect is to lose this game. But I see zero improvement so far in any area. NONE
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Post by: Valleysports on September 15, 2018, 04:42:38 pm
Interesting watching SEC (Auburn vs LSU) on one TV, Conference USA (Hogs vs Scrappy the Eagle) on the other.  Go to church tomorrow and pray for the safety of Hog QB's - pray for the safety of the Hog team - even the team trainers.
 
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 15, 2018, 05:11:08 pm
Someone set the over/under on offensive TDS scored in SEC play. I say 8
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Post by: HorseFeathers on September 15, 2018, 06:46:29 pm
Budbya...that's probably about right....with 4 of those against Ole Miss(they're defense looked horrible against S Illinois, but they'll drop 80 on us)
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Post by: bleudog on September 15, 2018, 07:15:14 pm
Tulsa is playing stAte on CBS Sports if anybody is interested in seeing what Tulsa has.  It's 10-7 stAte with 4:33 left in the half.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 15, 2018, 07:30:19 pm
Budbya...that's probably about right....with 4 of those against Ole Miss(they're defense looked horrible against S Illinois, but they'll drop 80 on us)
I think we will be 14 point digs in every SEC contest but Vandy
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Post by: High Voltage on September 15, 2018, 11:21:07 pm
I think we will be 14 point digs in every SEC contest but Vandy
Vandy played Notre Dame within 5 today.
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Post by: bulldoghistorian on September 15, 2018, 11:33:51 pm
Vandy played Notre Dame within 5 today.
And had a chance to win at the end!
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 16, 2018, 09:35:25 am
Vandy played Notre Dame within 5 today.
Saw that so 14 in every SEC game. We are bad and showing no improvement. And now there are talks of our OL purposefully missing blocks when the freshman QBs came in
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Post by: gameoflife on September 16, 2018, 11:39:41 am
Wow!!!   How bad can it get?   
I was busy typing  a pretty big scathing evaluation of the UA program this morning and at the last moment I decided to withhold most of my comments.  I will leave it at this for right now.
We are looking at a 1-11 season with maybe a 4-11 if we can turn things around.

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Post by: bleudog on September 16, 2018, 12:08:41 pm
Wow!!!   How bad can it get?  
I was busy typing  a pretty big scathing evaluation of the UA program this morning and at the last moment I decided to withhold most of my comments.  I will leave it at this for right now.
We are looking at a 1-11 season with maybe a 4-11 if we can turn things around.



Need to beat Tulsa or there will be a loss on the record to a team that got beat by stAte 29-20.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 16, 2018, 12:54:38 pm
tulsa lost to Texas and A State by a score.  That's not looking good right now
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Post by: RZback on September 16, 2018, 02:01:41 pm
There a lots of holes in the ship, so many that rats are jumping out.  I will say that Morris's statement in defense of his going to Texas was lame.   I'm paraphrasing, "there was nothing else I could do on Friday night to prepare for the game, If we were not already ready then I hadn't done my job all week",.  Judging from the past two weeks he hasn't been doing his job during the week.

If he wants to see his son play, fine, but be aware that if you are losing it will draw lots of attention. 

After seeing his post game interview he looked and sounded a little shell shocked. 
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Post by: bigworm on September 16, 2018, 03:04:46 pm
Arkansas fan base (generaly speaking) should he ashamed. Booing a razorback player. Really? I can undersramd  booing the coach. But a player no matter how he is playing is a pathetic thing to do. Shame on all of them. Why would any kid want to go there. I hope all of them are ready to stay in the cellar because thats what is coming with crap like that. Do they really think that cole isnt givin it all he has. Hes not my favorite for sure but i dont care if he throw 100 more pics i will never boo him. Carry on razorback nation. And if i were Morris i would go watch my son and wouldnt worry one bit about it. I think anyone with any common sense wouldnt have a problem with that. That had 0 to do with anything. Failure took place lomg before friday night.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 16, 2018, 05:00:39 pm
Its the bad impression that he has to worry about.  He is losing, and losing in embarrassing fashion to teams that should be easy wins.  As a matter of fact I remember reading numerous accounts of how we were going to win 6 or 7 games with Morris this year and the first 3 were givens.   So, I would say how important is your 3million dollar job?  Maybe he was sold on the assumption that UA would beat Colorado state no doubt, and that the first 3 games were definite wins. Well now he knows better.  Lots of people have jobs that keep them from going to see kids do things so I don't feel sorry for a guy making 3+ million if he has to stay home and take care of business and soothe the fragile emotions of fans who help pay his exorbitant salary while we get drilled.
I just think its the nature of his job and the pressure and the money.   
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 16, 2018, 05:36:17 pm
Arkansas fan base (generaly speaking) should he ashamed. Booing a razorback player. Really? I can undersramd  booing the coach. But a player no matter how he is playing is a pathetic thing to do. Shame on all of them. Why would any kid want to go there. I hope all of them are ready to stay in the cellar because thats what is coming with crap like that. Do they really think that cole isnt givin it all he has. Hes not my favorite for sure but i dont care if he throw 100 more pics i will never boo him. Carry on razorback nation. And if i were Morris i would go watch my son and wouldnt worry one bit about it. I think anyone with any common sense wouldnt have a problem with that. That had 0 to do with anything. Failure took place lomg before friday night.
who knows who they were booing. Probably the decision to send out a QB that had played like hot mess and makes horrible decisions. On top of that he was hurt.

Itís all opinion on whi anyone was booing.

When CK came in last year I was all for it. But heís not progressing at all and should have been pulled for some of the throws he made. Just throwing the ball in th air for anyone to get.

As far as Morris we can only hope he turns this around. But Iíll be honest I donít see it. Weíve have gotten worse since the start of the season.

I think all of should be prepared for a decade of being the new Vanderbilt of the SEC.

B.B. and Long destroyed this program in their time here and it will be that long or longer before we are even middle of the pack. And thatís unacceptable
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 16, 2018, 05:38:47 pm
Its the bad impression that he has to worry about.  He is losing, and losing in embarrassing fashion to teams that should be easy wins.  As a matter of fact I remember reading numerous accounts of how we were going to win 6 or 7 games with Morris this year and the first 3 were givens.   So, I would say how important is your 3million dollar job?  Maybe he was sold on the assumption that UA would beat Colorado state no doubt, and that the first 3 games were definite wins. Well now he knows better.  Lots of people have jobs that keep them from going to see kids do things so I don't feel sorry for a guy making 3+ million if he has to stay home and take care of business and soothe the fragile emotions of fans who help pay his exorbitant salary while we get drilled.
I just think its the nature of his job and the pressure and the money.
We all might have a different feeling if the team had shown improvement. As is now heís already lost this team it seems. And the stink of Beiliema hangs over this team so bad.

Extremely hard to watch
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on September 16, 2018, 06:30:33 pm
Saw an interviewer ask Morris if the rebuild was harder than he originally thought.  His answer was something like, I'm sure the team and the seniors don't see this as a rebuild.  If not its a new construction.
I couldn't believe he left Kelley in the game all that time in the 1st half and then started him in the second.  Then went to freshman.  Looks like he had given up on any chance of getting a win yesterday.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 16, 2018, 10:07:15 pm
I doubt the fans were booing Kelley directly.  More likely the coaching decision to send him back out after the way he played when you have another QB who has started a game. Frankly I don't understand several decisions Morris has made.
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Post by: Trojanbird on September 16, 2018, 10:46:12 pm
It would be hard for Nick Saban to win with this team.  Personally, I don't lay it all on the coaches.  We just don't have SEC type players at the U of A and we can thank BB for that!
I think I will go watch ASU for the next couple of years.  They may not lose another game this year while the hogs may not win another game.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 17, 2018, 06:16:40 am
We have the players to at least be competitive with NT and CSU.

Again no improvement in this team at all since game one.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 17, 2018, 06:17:33 am
One good thing about Morris if you can call it that. Is he seems to take ownership of it
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Post by: AirWarren on September 17, 2018, 08:19:42 am
One good thing about Morris if you can call it that. Is he seems to take ownership of it

We made Good Morning America this morning with the punt play.

Hey, even George Crapinopalpus is laughing at us.

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Post by: AirWarren on September 17, 2018, 08:28:33 am
David Bazzell is speaking truth this morning.

The music sucks by the band. Hey Jude, playing over and over. If youíre going to play ďWilliam tellĒ, go back to the SW conference. Bazzell also said that the band was playing Mickey Mouse at halftime.

Last time I was at a game up there, they were playing ďletís goĒ by lil Jon. That was only two years ago. We are so behind as a program. The entire money backers and program is living in the 60s.

Itís fairly embarrassing.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 17, 2018, 08:49:38 am
We made Good Morning America this morning with the punt play.

Hey, even George Crapinopalpus is laughing at us.
That play will be on for a while. All over those New Yearís Eve shows and top tens for years
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 17, 2018, 12:01:23 pm
It is a shame what the program has come too. 
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Post by: bulldoghistorian on September 17, 2018, 01:03:41 pm
Just saw that Ty Storey will get the start Saturday night at Auburn, read it on Saturday Down South.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 17, 2018, 01:37:36 pm
Saw it earlier. Hopefully one of these guys can run some sort of offense. Cause Auburnís defense is stout
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Post by: AirWarren on September 17, 2018, 03:15:22 pm
It's really time to move on from Devwah Whaley as well. He has been fairly disappointing in a hog uniform.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 17, 2018, 03:52:23 pm
Was listening to Bo Mattingly and the callers, sounds bad on the radio.  I'm not sure I heard anything new from callers, sort of sounded like Fearless has been.  Not sure about our coaches, not high on our players as far as talent or effort, one guy ripped into players for complaining about fans.  Some callers saying they think Morris is in over his head already.  It's going south in a hurry.
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Post by: AirWarren on September 17, 2018, 03:57:55 pm
Was listening to Bo Mattingly and the callers, sounds bad on the radio.  I'm not sure I heard anything new from callers, sort of sounded like Fearless has been.  Not sure about our coaches, not high on our players as far as talent or effort, one guy ripped into players for complaining about fans.  Some callers saying they think Morris is in over his head already.  It's going south in a hurry.

This senior class has lost 6 games in the fourth while playing for the hogs. That is a huge issue. I don't know if they have the fight to play SEC football.

Personally, wish we would cut ties and head to the Big 12. Fits us better geographically. And evidently talent wise....North Texas looked like the SEC school, not us.
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Post by: bleudog on September 17, 2018, 04:06:07 pm
If it's any consolation:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-day-louisiana-monroe-beat-alabama-and-nick-saban/

Timing is everything.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 17, 2018, 06:04:03 pm
If we could see some improvement as the year goes it might change my perception. In some respects there have been slight improvements in the defense but the offense sure isn't helping them out any. I'm not asking win games now but just show some good improvements. No matter how bad the talent is as some say, you should still be able to get some improvement out of the team.

If there is a rift in the locker room as some are saying as well. Then put them on the pine, make an example of them and that it will not be tolerated. Need to have a CTJ with them and let them know they can get out of the way and make room for the next guy.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 17, 2018, 06:06:53 pm
If it's any consolation:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-day-louisiana-monroe-beat-alabama-and-nick-saban/

Timing is everything.
But here was progression/improvement as that year went along.
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Post by: beach bum on September 17, 2018, 06:34:10 pm
If we could see some improvement as the year goes it might change my perception. In some respects there have been slight improvements in the defense but the offense sure isn't helping them out any. I'm not asking win games now but just show some good improvements. No matter how bad the talent is as some say, you should still be able to get some improvement out of the team.

If there is a rift in the locker room as some are saying as well. Then put them on the pine, make an example of them and that it will not be tolerated. Need to have a CTJ with them and let them know they can get out of the way and make room for the next guy.


Maybe if we start 1-9 and then beat Miss State and Mizzou to finish 3-9 to end the year the new AD will give Morris a long extension and big buy out ;D Ö... He learned that technique from the old AD
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 17, 2018, 08:56:26 pm

Maybe if we start 1-9 and then beat Miss State and Mizzou to finish 3-9 to end the year the new AD will give Morris a long extension and big buy out ;D Ö... He learned that technique from the old AD
Im just talking about whether the guy can coach or not. Right now my opinion is he canít.

And hopefully the higher ups have learned a lesson on extensions. But I doubt that as well
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 17, 2018, 08:59:29 pm
Also we may be the only team ever to get faked out by a fake punt return. For safety of the layers supposedly is reviewing the play and considering a rule change.

According to reports. NT had thoroughly scouted our coverage teams and decided we were for sure their patsy. Basically saying that they saw holes and how lax we were in coverage
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Post by: bigworm on September 17, 2018, 09:32:12 pm
Im not completely believeing that we dont have enough talent to compete in the SEC. Im not saying we have bama, lsu type talent but if you look back since 1999 we had one class ranked #9. That was in 2001. Every other class has been in the #22 range. We were competetive until petrino got caught. Im also, not saying that Morris cant get it done. Im simply saying that i believe we have enough talent to be much much better than we are. If it doesnt improve before season is over ill say morris cant get it done. There is no reason we shouldnt be at least middle of the road SEC right now.
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Post by: bleudog on September 17, 2018, 09:38:13 pm
https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=300937
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Post by: RZback on September 17, 2018, 10:30:06 pm
Im not completely believeing that we dont have enough talent to compete in the SEC. Im not saying we have bama, lsu type talent but if you look back since 1999 we had one class ranked #9. That was in 2001. Every other class has been in the #22 range. We were competetive until petrino got caught. Im also, not saying that Morris cant get it done. Im simply saying that i believe we have enough talent to be much much better than we are. If it doesnt improve before season is over ill say morris cant get it done. There is no reason we shouldnt be at least middle of the road SEC right now.

No way we are middle of the road SEC, more like road kill. 
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Post by: Valleysports on September 17, 2018, 10:41:41 pm
Im not completely believeing that we dont have enough talent to compete in the SEC. Im not saying we have bama, lsu type talent but if you look back since 1999 we had one class ranked #9. That was in 2001. Every other class has been in the #22 range. We were competetive until petrino got caught. Im also, not saying that Morris cant get it done. Im simply saying that i believe we have enough talent to be much much better than we are. If it doesnt improve before season is over ill say morris cant get it done. There is no reason we shouldnt be at least middle of the road SEC right now.

The SEC West has changed, in the last 7 years, and on the verge of a major upgrade.  A&M joining the SEC.  A&M is dominating 2019 class, 25 (50% 4-5 stars) already committed.  Alabama, Auburn, LSU, A&M, Miss St - that leaves Ole Miss & Arkansas in the west.  Go out and get another #22 class, see if it gets you back to middle of the road SEC. 
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 18, 2018, 06:07:18 am
The SEC West has changed, in the last 7 years, and on the verge of a major upgrade.  A&M joining the SEC.  A&M is dominating 2019 class, 25 (50% 4-5 stars) already committed.  Alabama, Auburn, LSU, A&M, Miss St - that leaves Ole Miss & Arkansas in the west.  Go out and get another #22 class, see if it gets you back to middle of the road SEC.
It should have been enough not to get smoked by NT. Recruiting has to get a little better. Even if itís in the 20s it needs to at least have some explosive players. Seems we have none right now. And some darn O-Linemen.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 18, 2018, 09:21:33 am
What is the reasonable expectation for the Auburn game?  I don't see any chance of a win and I'm not expecting us to look very good.   
With Storey starting, the expectations and pressure on him are going to be great.  Is it possible to meet these?  Maybe we should be sitting back and waiting until Ole Miss, Tulsa, Vandy to see if we have any improvement?
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Post by: AirWarren on September 18, 2018, 10:34:21 am
What is the reasonable expectation for the Auburn game?  I don't see any chance of a win and I'm not expecting us to look very good.   
With Storey starting, the expectations and pressure on him are going to be great.  Is it possible to meet these?  Maybe we should be sitting back and waiting until Ole Miss, Tulsa, Vandy to see if we have any improvement?

I just want us to get into the endzone. That would be an vast improvement.

Remotely, just be able to run the dang ball.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 18, 2018, 10:43:08 am
Well we've been in the endzone.  I'm not sure how well we will run the ball against Auburn.  I thought the original problem was centered around QB play, slow, not good decisions.  Then the OL was exposed and defense against NT.  Also our ability to finish. 
I think the whole thing has been worse than suspected from day one. Even with some improvement, the caliber of opponents is getting much better.
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Post by: AirWarren on September 18, 2018, 10:49:53 am
Well we've been in the endzone.  I'm not sure how well we will run the ball against Auburn.  I thought the original problem was centered around QB play, slow, not good decisions.  Then the OL was exposed and defense against NT.  Also our ability to finish. 
I think the whole thing has been worse than suspected from day one. Even with some improvement, the caliber of opponents is getting much better.

Maybe see some fire in some of our kids.

I started rewatching the game yesterday. I saw a lot of trash talking and mouthing by what we are supposed to see as "senior leaders". If you are getting your Arse slapped around by North Texas, you need to shut up and just play the game. There is some bad seeds on this team.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 18, 2018, 10:55:38 am
Keeping it within 60.

As far as any other game. Until we show improvement I wouldnít come close to counting any one of them as win
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Post by: AirWarren on September 18, 2018, 11:31:28 am
Clint Stoerner telling it like it is on the radio.

Instead of crying about the boos at the press conference, you need to be crying about the fact that North Texas skull drug you.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 18, 2018, 12:18:49 pm
Clint Stoerner telling it like it is on the radio.

Instead of crying about the boos at the press conference, you need to be crying about the fact that North Texas skull drug you.
Bingo
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Post by: gameoflife on September 18, 2018, 12:48:02 pm
Maybe see some fire in some of our kids.

I started rewatching the game yesterday. I saw a lot of trash talking and mouthing by what we are supposed to see as "senior leaders". If you are getting your Arse slapped around by North Texas, you need to shut up and just play the game. There is some bad seeds on this team.

I heard other people saying the same about players trash talking while getting drummed.  That's a sure sign of trouble with the character of the team.  To get better you have to recognize where the problem lies.  We are stuck with some lower level talent for a couple of years, but they could put more into it.  Its going to take some hard work and not settling for poor effort by coaches.
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Post by: sportsguy80 on September 18, 2018, 05:39:19 pm
Iím hearing from so many fans and sports analysts that the possibility of winning another game this season is slim to none. While I think we have a chance at beating Tulsa and maybe another team (Ole Miss or Vandy) depends on how much we improve week to week starting with a really good Auburn team. The coaches have got to put our players in better position for an effective offense which helps at times a solid defense. I would even play some of the younger guys just to see if it brings a spark. We are so slow at almost every position on offense which isnít helping the ďfast laneĒ at all. If we donít fix things in a timely manner, I wouldnít wanna see how our attendance will be for the rest of our home games.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 18, 2018, 07:59:06 pm
Well look at it like this. For those who think we may have a slight chance against Ole miss. We play them the game after Bama, how healthy are we gonna be after that game. Then itís Tulsa after chasin OMs receivers. So not much of a break for a bad team.

Iím mean Auburn, A&M and Bama all in a row. I imagine our confidence will be through the roof when we finally get to Tulsa. Who by the way played two teams that are probably as good as NT pretty tough.

Miracles happen though
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Post by: gameoflife on September 18, 2018, 08:50:09 pm
This has been a bad deal from the start.  We waited too long to hire a coach. We lack talent, our recruiting is lacking at this point, we have some committments but not blue chip signees.  I heard Coach Morris say his message to recruits was the same as to the team.  How do you face adversity?  Problem is the current team players are in the fire, they helped create it.  A recruit is not in the fire and I'm pretty sure they tell you to run away from fire not into it.  Why would top level recruits come to us if things are as bad as they seem to be? 
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Post by: bleudog on September 18, 2018, 09:32:19 pm
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/watch-clay-travis-says-arkansas-should-be-kicked-out-of-the-sec-after-embarrassing-north-texas-loss/
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Post by: bigworm on September 18, 2018, 11:37:51 pm
That guy is a moron. There have been plenty of terrible losses by sec teams.

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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 19, 2018, 06:17:57 am
Yeah but most of the time itís an upset. Like Toledo against us, bama losing to ULM and so on. But not two in a row and getting you butt handed to you at home basically 44-10, minus the last minute run when scrubs were in.

Clay says some bold things all the time.

We looked horrible Saturday and if your arenít or werenít embarrassed by it then you donít care imo. Iím much less worried about what folks are saying now because most of them arenít wrong.

We have a long way to go
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 19, 2018, 06:24:23 am
This has been a bad deal from the start.  We waited too long to hire a coach. We lack talent, our recruiting is lacking at this point, we have some committments but not blue chip signees.  I heard Coach Morris say his message to recruits was the same as to the team.  How do you face adversity?  Problem is the current team players are in the fire, they helped create it.  A recruit is not in the fire and I'm pretty sure they tell you to run away from fire not into it.  Why would top level recruits come to us if things are as bad as they seem to be?
Yes we waited to long because they wanted Gus. Instead of just offering the guy they guy played.

We are currently at 16-17 in recruiting ranking with 19 commits. Expect us to oversign to 25 or more if the recruits are there. Also still some highly rated guys we are on. Need a few more OL in the class. So expect some guys to transfer or be told to transfer. Dead weight and trouble makers will be cut to keep the boat afloat and should be.

Firemen run in to fires. Thatís the kind of guys we need. We need guys that say I can go there and play now and I can turn that thing around.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 19, 2018, 11:24:28 am
Yes we waited to long because they wanted Gus. Instead of just offering the guy they guy played.

We are currently at 16-17 in recruiting ranking with 19 commits. Expect us to oversign to 25 or more if the recruits are there. Also still some highly rated guys we are on. Need a few more OL in the class. So expect some guys to transfer or be told to transfer. Dead weight and trouble makers will be cut to keep the boat afloat and should be.

Firemen run in to fires. Thatís the kind of guys we need. We need guys that say I can go there and play now and I can turn that thing around.

I don't think any or our recruits are trained fire fighters.  A good player may come in to get a shot to play here because he will not get a starting shot at a better place.   You cannot expect a lot of blue chippers to come into a dumpster fire.  Also I heard on the radio sportsshow that we have some committments and show signees.  Our rank of 17 is based mostly on commits not signees.  I'm pretty sure of what I heard.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 19, 2018, 11:27:25 am
The problems we find ourselves in include:
Wrong hires for several years. Petrino had issues.  Bielema was not a good fit for SEC.  Morris has little experience at this level or as a HC.
Poor recruiting results. Petrino didn't leave us well off, Bielima obviously didn't leave us in great shape, Morris was not able to bring in guys to help immediately.
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Post by: RZback on September 19, 2018, 12:10:32 pm
Interesting note.
According to rankings last year, there were at least 4 coaches on the UA search list that ranked higher than Morris.  Malzahn was of course the top pick (wish) and Mike Norvel, Dave Doeren, Mike Leach, all ranked higher.  So why? 
Is this the problem.  Leach seemed like a good pick according to an article I read, he had done rebuilds a Texas Tech and Washington.  Washington is on the way to its 4 winning season in a row with Leach.  In contrast Washington had one winning season in the last 15 years and a long history of losing prior.

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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 19, 2018, 02:25:29 pm
I don't think any or our recruits are trained fire fighters.  A good player may come in to get a shot to play here because he will not get a starting shot at a better place.   You cannot expect a lot of blue chippers to come into a dumpster fire.  Also I heard on the radio sportsshow that we have some committments and show signees.  Our rank of 17 is based mostly on commits not signees.  I'm pretty sure of what I heard.
No one has any signees until December. Yeah you wonít get many but maybe itís enough to start building on. Vandy was one of the worst programs in the nation until Franklin got there. He made them somewhat respectable.

Itís gonna take tome for sure unless we wanna go the route of Ole Miss
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 19, 2018, 02:27:15 pm
The problems we find ourselves in include:
Wrong hires for several years. Petrino had issues.  Bielema was not a good fit for SEC.  Morris has little experience at this level or as a HC.
Poor recruiting results. Petrino didn't leave us well off, Bielima obviously didn't leave us in great shape, Morris was not able to bring in guys to help immediately.
Well BP didnít leave of his own accord but mostly his own doing. Many are still bad at Jeff Long about that
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 19, 2018, 02:29:16 pm
Interesting note.
According to rankings last year, there were at least 4 coaches on the UA search list that ranked higher than Morris.  Malzahn was of course the top pick (wish) and Mike Norvel, Dave Doeren, Mike Leach, all ranked higher.  So why? 
Is this the problem.  Leach seemed like a good pick according to an article I read, he had done rebuilds a Texas Tech and Washington.  Washington is on the way to its 4 winning season in a row with Leach.  In contrast Washington had one winning season in the last 15 years and a long history of losing prior.
Not to mention Kiffen
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Post by: gameoflife on September 19, 2018, 02:33:22 pm
I think the problem was we wanted a Gus clone.
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Post by: AirWarren on September 19, 2018, 03:37:55 pm
I think the problem was we wanted a Gus clone.

I personally wanted to throw the money at Bob Stoops. Or Mike Leach.
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Post by: gameoflife on September 19, 2018, 03:56:23 pm
I thought Leach or Norvel were good.  I know Norvell didn't have lots of HC experience but he had been an OC for a while and had some nice records. Plus his Memphis record was outstanding.
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Post by: sportsguy80 on September 19, 2018, 04:18:17 pm
I personally wanted to throw the money at Bob Stoops. Or Mike Leach.
I was wanting Stoops after he announced he was leaving. Just to see all of these OU faithfuls facial expressions would have been priceless.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 19, 2018, 06:55:37 pm
I didnít want Gus, heís a good coach. Just something about him I canít put my finger on.

I was down with Kiffen or Leach. Except throwing a kid in a shed Leach has won everywhere he has been. And I thought Kiffen would be able to recruit anywhere.

Morris was said to be a great recruiter, right now Iíd say itís a B grade. As far as coaching itís and F right now. Not just from the product on the field but great and good coaches can galvanize a team and get that effort out of his players.

Iíve seen a lot statements here and there saying this team wants to win. I have not seen that effort in the field. Just like JC calling out the fans for booing and saying CK is his brother. It rings hollow to me when you are a senior and have caught like two passes in three games and been pulled from returning punts for poor fielding of them. Play for your brothers, prove the folks that booed wrong.

Morris get control of the team. Improve it and build on it.
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Post by: Valleysports on September 19, 2018, 08:53:37 pm
We are currently at 16-17 in recruiting ranking with 19 commits. Expect us to over sign to 25 or more if the recruits are there.

Arkansas - Ranked 23,  Total: 19  5*:0,  4*:4, 3*:15

Actually I'm surprised, our 2019 class is now ranked 7th in the SEC West.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 19, 2018, 09:27:12 pm
Arkansas - Ranked 23,  Total: 19  5*:0,  4*:4, 3*:15

Actually I'm surprised, our 2019 class is now ranked 7th in the SEC West.
All depends on which rankings you look at. Some have us with 7 4*.

And even then these will change as the season goes. At one time it would have been 8 but supposedly one player didnít go to camps so he dropped.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 19, 2018, 09:31:58 pm
Arkansas - Ranked 23,  Total: 19  5*:0,  4*:4, 3*:15

Actually I'm surprised, our 2019 class is now ranked 7th in the SEC West.
And it is crazy that you can have such a good class and be middle and lower in the SEC. just shows where kids want to play
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 19, 2018, 09:41:06 pm
Also saw another statistic about impact players or something like that for the SEC. so basically 4/5* recruits. This is from 2015-2018. Hogs had 13-15 depending on the site which put them 10th or 11th. Something like that.

BAMA had 62, just to show the gap
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Post by: gameoflife on September 20, 2018, 10:20:41 am
Also saw another statistic about impact players or something like that for the SEC. so basically 4/5* recruits. This is from 2015-2018. Hogs had 13-15 depending on the site which put them 10th or 11th. Something like that.

BAMA had 62, just to show the gap

This is what we lack in, recruiting.  Arkansans don't seem to understand that UA is not a hot spot for top recruits.  If you live here you probably love Arkansas.  If you don't live in Arkansas you likely don't care a thing in the world about Arkansas or finding out. The low number of D1 major recruits is not enough to get us where we want to be.  We have to get all those from Arkansas and many more from outside. Where are the top players in the country coming from?  Look at the rosters of top SEC teams, where do they get their recruits?
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Post by: beach bum on September 20, 2018, 10:48:01 am
It amazes me we are to the point as a program where we paid North Texas 1 million dollars to come whoop up on us.
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Post by: AirWarren on September 20, 2018, 10:58:06 am
It amazes me we are to the point as a program where we paid North Texas 1 million dollars to come whoop up on us.

No senior leaders. Or any leaders for that matter.
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Post by: bleudog on September 20, 2018, 11:13:36 am
Wonder what these folks thought?

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2018/sep/13/hogs-host-unofficial-visitors-north-texas/
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Post by: bigworm on September 20, 2018, 01:22:36 pm
This is what we lack in, recruiting.  Arkansans don't seem to understand that UA is not a hot spot for top recruits.  If you live here you probably love Arkansas.  If you don't live in Arkansas you likely don't care a thing in the world about Arkansas or finding out. The low number of D1 major recruits is not enough to get us where we want to be.  We have to get all those from Arkansas and many more from outside. Where are the top players in the country coming from?  Look at the rosters of top SEC teams, where do they get their recruits?

Exactly.   Morris has already plucked a couple of kids from other sec states with offers from everywhere. That was before he had ever coached a single game. If he can show signs of improvement i honestly think he can get it done recruitong.
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 20, 2018, 08:02:12 pm
Exactly.   Morris has already plucked a couple of kids from other sec states with offers from everywhere. That was before he had ever coached a single game. If he can show signs of improvement i honestly think he can get it done recruitong.

What level recruits were they?
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Post by: bigworm on September 20, 2018, 09:08:39 pm
https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Collin-Clay-104520/RecruitInterests/


https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Mataio-Soli-112983/RecruitInterests/

https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Shamar-Nash-103683/RecruitInterests/

Open the pages and click on "complete offer list". These guys have offers from everywhere. That dont mean they can play but in my opinion its a great start considering none of them are from here. Just gotta keep em committed and sign em.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on September 21, 2018, 08:58:28 am
The big reveal is how many 3* are on our list currently.  I notice Alabama didn't have a lot of names, but looked like most all were 4* and 5*.  So there is where the bar is set if we want to contend for a SEC title and beyond.   
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Post by: Valleysports on September 21, 2018, 04:09:30 pm
The big reveal is how many 3* are on our list currently.  I notice Alabama didn't have a lot of names, but looked like most all were 4* and 5*.  So there is where the bar is set if we want to contend for a SEC title and beyond.

Alabama has 20 - 4*
A&M has 14 - 4*

A&M just moved ahead of Bama as #2, behind Georgia.  All 3 are neck-n-neck 1, 2, 3...
 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bleudog on September 21, 2018, 04:45:00 pm
Thru three games, the 'backs are averaging 9 more plays a game than last year.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/plays-per-game
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on September 21, 2018, 05:57:05 pm
Some good news. Still #1 on sportscenter not top 10
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bigworm on September 22, 2018, 12:20:45 pm
The big reveal is how many 3* are on our list currently.  I notice Alabama didn't have a lot of names, but looked like most all were 4* and 5*.  So there is where the bar is set if we want to contend for a SEC title and beyond.

It will take some winning and freat recruiting but i dont see why in the world we couldn't do it. I mean Clemson has been built to what they are. They arent the hostorical powerhouse. Dabo made em what they are.
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Post by: RZback on September 22, 2018, 02:06:49 pm
It will take some winning and freat recruiting but i dont see why in the world we couldn't do it. I mean Clemson has been built to what they are. They arent the hostorical powerhouse. Dabo made em what they are.

Clemsom had only had 1 losing season in 15 years before Dabo took over for Bowden.  They were not in the same kind of shape UA is currently in.  Mostly winning program for decades.  Its like saying both programs were in a hole.  Ours unfortunately looks like a bottomless pit in comparison.  We have so much work to do and this year is going to make it even harder if something doesn't change.
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Post by: Valleysports on September 29, 2018, 06:57:45 am
What's the transfer situation with Arkansas?  I read last year's leading receiver, Nance, has had enough.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bigworm on September 29, 2018, 08:14:13 am
He is beilemas boy. If saban had been hired as the new coach it would be no different. There would be a few that couldn't play for him. Just the nature of a coaching change.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 29, 2018, 08:27:55 am
What's the transfer situation with Arkansas?  I read last year's leading receiver, Nance, has had enough.
Expect more. Roster needs turned over. Leading receiver who has caught maybe 5 passes all year. I wish him luck wherever he goes but it looks like we need this turnover.

Many are saying Hogs will sign need to sign close to 29 this year from what Iíve been reading. The new transfer rule is gonna help the players and Higs are in complete reboot anyway
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 29, 2018, 09:01:48 am
Iím just wondering if itís to early to start drinking for this game
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Post by: Ctucker on September 29, 2018, 10:03:35 am
Iím just wondering if itís to early to start drinking for this game
Never too early this year!
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 29, 2018, 10:20:01 am
Crown reserve on the rocks today
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Post by: RZback on September 29, 2018, 11:02:38 am
What's the latest line?  I last saw about 17 pts favoring A&M.
I'm afraid it will be more like 30.
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Post by: RZback on September 29, 2018, 11:04:35 am
Oh, my.   Let's go hire a special team coach.  And a Head Coach too.

two guys with shots and played it badly
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 29, 2018, 11:05:42 am
Horrible lane coverage
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Post by: RZback on September 29, 2018, 11:16:49 am
We play like a bad high school team.  Scrap what we have and start over this evening and I mean scrap it all.
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Post by: RZback on September 29, 2018, 11:26:31 am
Why run it out from 2 yards deep in end zone.  Poorly coached.  Even the commentator are already talking about poor decisions and trying to run an offense too complicated for them. 
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Post by: RZback on September 29, 2018, 01:23:57 pm
Defense doing better and keeping us in it.  John Chavis best coach we have.
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Post by: WPWells on September 29, 2018, 04:59:47 pm
Where did the ďwoe is meĒ crowd go? No we didnít win, but we got close! Thatís clear and obvious improvement. Some of you are just desperate for Morris to fail. He still may, but itís way too early to judge.
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Post by: RZback on September 29, 2018, 05:17:58 pm
You are mistaken, not anxious for failure, just think we went the wrong road and don't think 1 decent showing against a team trying to rebuild is a sign of progress.  In the end its still a loss.  How many close ones did BB drop? Got a long way to go yet before I think we are headed to a turnaround.  I'm tired of bad football and think fans deserve better from the program. Just saying we did have a better day but next week is Bama.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 29, 2018, 06:34:16 pm
I want everyone we have to succeed. But the first few games were unacceptable. I thought Morris had lost this team. The last two weeks the effort has been there and we look like we have played at least a little football.

Both teams today had some what ifs. But man we canít afford to have stupid penalties at such crucial times. Think we have had a hand to the face penalty each game. This time it kept two scoring drives alive for them, at least one.

Wish list for recruiting. A kicker that can kick it through the end zone on kick offs, OL are a must.

Really glad to see improvement. And whiskey helps take the edge off of the mistakes lol
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Post by: bigworm on September 30, 2018, 02:12:02 am
Hogs fought. I feel like this team doesnt look at improvement as their goal. Their goal is to win. But the only way to win is to improve. No doubt there is improvement.
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 30, 2018, 02:04:06 pm
Really isn't much to be happy with if you want a winner to watch, but all there is at this point is to watch and wait til the end. I just would like us to look well coached and disciplined and we just don't seem to be at that point.
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Post by: bigworm on September 30, 2018, 03:17:04 pm
Well, considering i saw us get destroyed at home by north texas a couple weeks ago, i am much happier with the last 2 performances. Not satisfied, but i can guarantee you that the staff nor the players are either. At this point they have to take positives away from these games and build on them. Thats exactly what i think they are doing.
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Post by: HorseFeathers on September 30, 2018, 03:23:31 pm
I think a lot of the fans/posters keep moving the goals and/or were the guys calling into the radio shows with the less than 10 wins is a disappointment for this year even with the train wreck that's been the razorback football team for the last 5 years 🤷
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on September 30, 2018, 03:57:06 pm
I think the fans have been waiting a long time for a program they could be happy with and nobody should ask that they settle for less. 
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Post by: bdubyab60 on September 30, 2018, 05:14:37 pm
I want us to win just like all of us fans do. I figured between 4-6 wins was reasonable. I did not figure in what looks like internal mess between the team. I thought the mess was on BB losing the team. Which now looks like he lost half of it and that other half that wanted him was pushing back in Morris. It now seems Morris has put his foot down, hence the transfers.

Iíve also said that losing is one thing but when it seems like every time we lose itís something embarrassing that happens during the loss. Yes P5 teams lose to lesser opponents all the time. Just not usually two in a row with blowing a lead and a complete domination.

However this made me temper the expectations and truest realize how damaged this FB team was. I feel we had a coach and an AD who truly did not care if we win or lost and could care less about where the program was headed.

As far as the rest of this season. Itís important to continue to see the fight in this team. Continue to see improvement, knowing there are games to where we may not show huge strides. Then hope Morris who is gonna be here at least a few years starts to rebuild this program
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Post by: Ctucker on September 30, 2018, 05:58:22 pm
Bama is going to beat us as bad as they wonít too!
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Post by: bigworm on September 30, 2018, 07:25:53 pm
Bama is going to beat us as bad as they wonít too!

Like pretty much every other team on their schedule.
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Post by: Ctucker on September 30, 2018, 07:42:42 pm
Like pretty much every other team on their schedule.
That is true! I feel sorry for Storey already!
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Post by: High Voltage on October 01, 2018, 07:30:24 am
So how many games can we win going forward?

Here is how I see it.

Alabama - LOSS and badly. Hope our team makes it out injury free.
Ole Miss - Loss, but we could pull it being at home.
Tulsa - Win, but we could lose as well, lol.
Vandy - Win, but we could lose as well!
LSU- Loss, but this game always close.
MSU - Loss
Mizzou - Loss, but we might win!
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Post by: beach bum on October 01, 2018, 09:39:44 am
So how many games can we win going forward?

Here is how I see it.

Alabama - LOSS and badly. Hope our team makes it out injury free.
Ole Miss - Loss, but we could pull it being at home.
Tulsa - Win, but we could lose as well, lol.
Vandy - Win, but we could lose as well!
LSU- Loss, but this game always close.
MSU - Loss
Mizzou - Loss, but we might win!


The last two weeks have at least given a glimmer of hope. Now, honestly I would say only two games left are check marked as losses in Alabama and LSU.

-Bama and LSU are the for sure losses

-Tulsa like you said is a should win, but we could easily lose that too

-Now Vandy and Ole Miss look like we are only the slightest of underdogs which is improvement. We could pull these out if we play well

-Miss State is having horrible problems on offense and we could pull that out unbelievably in a low scoring game and Mizzou will be tough but not out of the question

*** 2-10 or 3-9 is the most likely thing to happen but 4 wins could also happen
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Post by: bleudog on October 01, 2018, 09:46:53 am
https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=300937
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Post by: gameoflife on October 01, 2018, 11:46:30 am
I think its a stretch to say BB didn't care if we won or lost.
I don't see all the games other than Bama and LSU as strong possibilities.  But, you do play and thus anything could happen, the odds are low for all of those.  Tulsa being the most likely shot at a win.
If we were to win the rest of the games except Bama and LSU, I would say that is a nice recovery of a terrible start. That would bet us to 6-6 but I seriously doubt that will happen. 
As for playing better, yes somewhat, but also Auburn and A&M are both struggling a bit offensively so I'm not clear if it's them or us.
So like I read in some post, we have to sit and watch what happens. 
I'm just disappointed in how the hire went to begin with and I believe we could have done better, not just with the HC but the staff.  I don't think we got the experience needed to turn this thing as quickly as possible.  That said, all you can do is hope it gets straightened out and not in 3-5 years.
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Post by: bleudog on October 01, 2018, 12:04:09 pm
Where did the ďwoe is meĒ crowd go? No we didnít win, but we got close! Thatís clear and obvious improvement. Some of you are just desperate for Morris to fail. He still may, but itís way too early to judge.

(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/42888280_2167321673506101_8131961202730336256_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&oh=110544616d30f395c920de0548c00d07&oe=5C23D4B2)

(http://buddythree.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Outside-Stadium.jpg)
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Post by: WPWells on October 01, 2018, 12:05:02 pm
I believe we could have done better, not just with the HC but the staff.

Who would you suggest?
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Post by: gameoflife on October 01, 2018, 12:14:56 pm
I think we could have broadened our search but for starters, I think Leach would have been a good pick.  You can look at the rankings of coaches we looked at and see how they were rated.  http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/list/college-football-coach-rankings-2018-nick-saban-dabo-swinney-urban-meyer-kirby-smart-jim-harbaugh/pw0dkzocij0ozd5nodvbnlj8/slide/4
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Post by: WPWells on October 01, 2018, 12:16:08 pm
I think we could have broadened our search but for starters, I think Leach would have been a good pick.  You can look at the rankings of coaches we looked at and see how they were rated.  http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/list/college-football-coach-rankings-2018-nick-saban-dabo-swinney-urban-meyer-kirby-smart-jim-harbaugh/pw0dkzocij0ozd5nodvbnlj8/slide/4

I would've loved Leach, but how do we know that he didn't turn the job down?
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Post by: gameoflife on October 01, 2018, 12:27:40 pm
I suppose it is possible he turned it down, but I never heard that or saw that in any reports of our search for a coach.  The only things I heard about Leach was he was interested. 
I think one of our problems was we were too interested on a Texas guy, and were starry eyed over the prospect of a Gus type high school guy. 
Arkansas IMO deserves a bigger name coach to aid with recruiting.
I've seen our signees, and our commitments for the next class.  I point out they are commitments and may not stick. Not real impressive at this point.
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Post by: WPWells on October 01, 2018, 01:13:40 pm
I suppose it is possible he turned it down, but I never heard that or saw that in any reports of our search for a coach.  The only things I heard about Leach was he was interested. 
I think one of our problems was we were too interested on a Texas guy, and were starry eyed over the prospect of a Gus type high school guy. 
Arkansas IMO deserves a bigger name coach to aid with recruiting.
I've seen our signees, and our commitments for the next class.  I point out they are commitments and may not stick. Not real impressive at this point.

The last line isn't true. This is the most four-star recruits we've ever had in the modern ranking system. Better than any class that Bobby or Bret brought in (based on rankings, obviously not output). We got a commitment from the #53 overall recruit today. Guess he wasn't scared off by the 1-4 record...
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Post by: High Voltage on October 01, 2018, 02:09:22 pm
https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=300937
Bleu, how accurate is Massey?
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Post by: bleudog on October 01, 2018, 02:24:48 pm
Bleu, how accurate is Massey?

I didn't find a percentage correct reference, but here's his FAQ page:  https://www.masseyratings.com/faq.php


On another board I had posted a picture of their La Tech pre-season predictions.  Here's how they are compared to actual scores:
Tech 28      S Alabama 21       (Tech won 30-26)
Tech 48      Southern  13        (Tech won 54-17, Tech's last TD was with the 3rd string QB on the last play)
Tech 13      LSU 35                (Tech lost 21-38)
Tech 37      N Texas 34          (Tech won 29-27)
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 01, 2018, 04:23:04 pm
The last line isn't true. This is the most four-star recruits we've ever had in the modern ranking system. Better than any class that Bobby or Bret brought in (based on rankings, obviously not output). We got a commitment from the #53 overall recruit today. Guess he wasn't scared off by the 1-4 record...

Do you have a link for UA signees for next season.  Which class are you saying is the best ever?  I'd like to look at those.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 01, 2018, 04:31:30 pm
https://247sports.com/college/arkansas/Season/2019-Football/Commits/

Heres 2019, commits not signees.  5 - 4* recruits
Looks like rank is 10th in SEC if I understand the chart
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Post by: Romeo on October 01, 2018, 05:04:04 pm
This is by far Arkansas's best class in the modern recruiting era. It's the first time we've been in the top 15 in any recruiting website.
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Post by: beach bum on October 01, 2018, 05:23:52 pm
https://247sports.com/college/arkansas/Season/2019-Football/Commits/

Heres 2019, commits not signees.  5 - 4* recruits
Looks like rank is 10th in SEC if I understand the chart


And we have people thumping their chest like we won the national title over a 10th ranked class in our own league. I can only guess the 4 teams we out rank are Vandy, Mizzou, Kentucky as three for sure then the 4th team is one of these three teams in Ole Miss, South Carolina, or Miss State? Maybe Tennessee? That means 3 out of those 4 schools are even out recruiting us.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 01, 2018, 07:17:20 pm
Some good news we picked up Trey Knox today. 4* wide receiver out of TN.

And yeah it sucks that being anywhere from 17-25 in the country has us in the lower end of the SEC.

Just shows how tough this conference is
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Post by: High Voltage on October 02, 2018, 08:44:53 am
My question is, we have all of these WR's now who is going to get them the ball? And if we do find a QB that can get them the ball who is going to protect the QB?
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 02, 2018, 02:45:41 pm
There are 3 lineman committed, still on the radar of a few more. KJ Jefferson is committed at QB, who knows if any of the freshman we have will compete with a year of development. Rumors of us going after Bryant who is transferring from Clemson, who knows though.

Even if we land all these guys, we still need more, it will still need to develop unless they are real studs.

There is no quick fix here.
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Post by: Valleysports on October 02, 2018, 05:22:28 pm
https://247sports.com/college/arkansas/Season/2019-Football/Commits/

Heres 2019, commits not signees.  5 - 4* recruits
Looks like rank is 10th in SEC if I understand the chart
    A&M, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St are the only teams, in the SEC West, with higher ranked 2019 recruits. 
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Post by: HorseFeathers on October 02, 2018, 06:10:47 pm
ONLY 5 of the other 6 l
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 02, 2018, 07:12:27 pm
All we can do is continue to close the gap. And star power isnít the end all be all in this.

We have beaten these higher rated classes with our lower rated ones. Is Morris the guy to do that once he gets everything in place, who knows.

Overall itís a decent class but I would like to see some OL for sure. Maybe we can flip some who knows
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Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on October 02, 2018, 10:15:01 pm
Some good news we picked up Trey Knox today. 4* wide receiver out of TN.

And yeah it sucks that being anywhere from 17-25 in the country has us in the lower end of the SEC.

Just shows how tough this conference is
Best conference in the land no doubt
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Post by: RZback on October 05, 2018, 12:07:17 pm
ONLY 5 of the other 6 l
    A&M, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St are the only teams, in the SEC West, with higher ranked 2019 recruits.

That's 6 of 6 , puts us last.  Whoo Pig!.
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Post by: Valleysports on October 06, 2018, 10:12:44 am
With Georgia decommitment, A&M now holds No. 1 class in 2019.
 
"We'll end up being one or two," Fisher told CBS Sports in February. "I'm talking about 10 guys that are right [there]. I'm talking about first-, second-round draft pick guys. There's some phenomenal players." 

That premonition has now become reality -- even if it is only temporary. The Aggies have 25 commits in the 2019 class and only have room for three more commits this cycle. Alabama has 21 commits, while Georgia has 18. Rounding out the top five in the rankings are Oregon (21 commits) and Clemson (24 commits), and Oklahoma, which has 18 commits, is sitting at No. 6.


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Post by: gameoflife on October 06, 2018, 11:21:12 am
Well, same start as every other game.
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Post by: gameoflife on October 06, 2018, 11:25:02 am
Lots of empty seats.
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Post by: bleudog on October 06, 2018, 11:29:18 am
Well, same start as every other game.

Well somebody's in the left lane with the hammer down.  :o
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Post by: gameoflife on October 06, 2018, 11:32:21 am
yeah and Morris is broke down on the side of the road. 
21-0 with 5 minutes in the 1st left
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Post by: HorseFeathers on October 06, 2018, 11:36:40 am
It's Alabama....theyve done the same thing to 5 other teams this year 🙄
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Post by: gameoflife on October 06, 2018, 11:40:43 am
yeah and Morris is broke down on the side of the road. 
21-0 with 5 minutes in the 1st left
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Post by: gameoflife on October 06, 2018, 11:41:48 am
That's a good drive, nice use of the rub against the defense not playing it aggressively.  I bet Saban chews some booty.
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Post by: gameoflife on October 06, 2018, 11:55:35 am
That's a good drive, nice use of the rub against the defense not playing it aggressively.  I bet Saban chews some booty.
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Post by: gameoflife on October 06, 2018, 11:55:52 am
Well, we just can't stand success.
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Post by: gameoflife on October 06, 2018, 11:57:50 am
This game is a bit sloppy on both sides.
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Post by: sportsguy80 on October 06, 2018, 12:02:22 pm
Why are we running Ty and weíre that close to scoring?? Just isnít smart at all
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Post by: HorseFeathers on October 06, 2018, 12:07:39 pm
If he doesn't fumble you don't question it at all.... But Boyd should be carrying it that close...
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 06, 2018, 12:08:53 pm
Heís got to hold on to the ball. And Bama is just freaking good
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on October 06, 2018, 12:09:22 pm
Refs have already messed up at least 3 calls... But there are some questionable decisions on offense that aren't helping either
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Post by: sportsguy80 on October 06, 2018, 12:14:41 pm
Refs have already messed up at least 3 calls... But there are some questionable decisions on offense that aren't helping either
Exactly but that last play call was right on time. Nice pass from Cole.
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on October 06, 2018, 12:17:17 pm
Jump pass with limited jumping because he's 6'7... CJ is balling out today
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Post by: WPWells on October 06, 2018, 12:37:33 pm
So weíre improved and have had more success than anyone against Bama, but gameoflife is still finding a reason to gripe. Itís sad how badly you want Arkansas to fail.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 06, 2018, 12:41:50 pm
We are moving the ball finally. Against the best team in the country. No one and I mean no one is stopping this bama offense.

2 turnovers have really cost us. One for sure cost us points.
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Post by: gameoflife on October 06, 2018, 12:46:29 pm
LOL, I guess you haven't noticed the halftime score or the stats for Bama vs their seasonal averages.  No we haven't done better than anybody.  Yes, we had some good drives ended by bad plays, good teams don't destroy themselves.  And I gave credit when we did good.  I'm looking at big picture and its real blurry for the future.  You just want to find a reason to think we are better than we are.
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on October 06, 2018, 12:50:50 pm
Even Trey Biddy commented on how bad the officiating is. And I like how no commentator ever mentioned the hold on Again while continuously praising the play
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Post by: HorseFeathers on October 06, 2018, 12:51:07 pm
Noones saying we are better than we are....we were 35 point underdogs for a reason..

On Wp's point--
Alabama scored 9 points less in a half than their season average...

If you thought this game was gonna go any other way, go get help cause you arent living in reality...Vegas was delusional too with only a 35 point line 🤷
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Post by: WPWells on October 06, 2018, 12:53:13 pm
Bama had given up 20 first half points this season. We just scored 14. Iím not trying to make us better than we are. Iím just saying itís obvious weíre improving every week and youíre still on here trying to crucify Morris because for some reason you have in your head that he was a bad hire.
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Post by: gameoflife on October 06, 2018, 12:56:11 pm
I agree with that statement, you got me pegged.  I do think he was the wrong hire.  IMO!  However I'm not just riding him because I didn't like the hire, I don't like the result.
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Post by: WPWells on October 06, 2018, 12:58:10 pm
What coach would be having better results this season?
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Post by: gameoflife on October 06, 2018, 01:06:45 pm
They have 461 yds of offense and 41 pts.  Yeah, we are doing a better job against them.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 06, 2018, 01:09:24 pm
Yeah because everyone is stopping bama

That 4th down call is a head scratcher
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Post by: gameoflife on October 06, 2018, 01:10:14 pm
Well that's just subjective and nobody can be sure.  I'm looking at what we are doing, losing, and playing badly.  Morris has little HC at college level experience, his years as OC are good but he was at programs already good before he got there, meaning he didn't rebuild those programs.  SMU was a loosing record for 3 years.  So I'm thinking a proven coach with head coach experience rebuilding a program.  My guy would have been Leach of the ones we supposedly looked at. But of course everyone has an opinion.
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Post by: Valleysports on October 06, 2018, 03:08:20 pm
Arkansas certainly exceeded expectations against Bama and A&M and Auburn.  Looking forward to seeing what a Morris recruited team can do.
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Post by: HorseFeathers on October 06, 2018, 03:15:36 pm
Morris took a program with high academic requirements(higher than Vanderbilt I believe) that went 5-7 & 1-11 the two years before he got there, and had them at 7-5 in year 3... And they've collapsed without him this year... Now he's got a bigger challenge with Arkansas who's never sustained the success the fans say they are entitled to in the SEC...
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 06, 2018, 03:25:50 pm
I didnít expect us to stop bama. No one is really gonna.

Offense surprised me. Again seeing some improvement. Gives a little hope that we can be in some games
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Post by: gameoflife on October 06, 2018, 05:03:20 pm
Program had been on rebuild since its resurection after the death penalty.  June Jones arrived in 2008 to rebuild.
2008-1-11
2009-8-5
2010-7-7
2011-8-5
2012-7-6
2013-5-7
2014 -02  Jones resigned saying personal issues, they finished 1-11
during that time he won the conference 2, and won 3/4 bowl games.  the first bowl games in 20 years

Morris took over two years later, and went
2-10
5-7
7-6 losing a bowl game
SMU is currently 2-3 I guess he didn't recruit very well leaving the cupboard bare.
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Post by: gameoflife on October 06, 2018, 05:05:05 pm
I'll give you that the offense showed a little more but our defense also gave up the most points Bama has scored.  We will see how it goes.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 06, 2018, 07:40:47 pm
Va tech. They know how to open a game. That place was rocking.


Arkansas needs to take notes.
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Post by: RZback on October 06, 2018, 08:04:39 pm
Morris took a program with high academic requirements(higher than Vanderbilt I believe) that went 5-7 & 1-11 the two years before he got there, and had them at 7-5 in year 3... And they've collapsed without him this year... Now he's got a bigger challenge with Arkansas who's never sustained the success the fans say they are entitled to in the SEC...

Admission to Vandy, 3.8 gpa and a 1530 SAT.
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Post by: HorseFeathers on October 06, 2018, 08:07:48 pm
That's what I get for not doing my own research
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Post by: RZback on October 06, 2018, 08:11:34 pm
Don't know if Morris is the right or wrong guy but whatever improvement we may be making is slight and until it gets us to the win column it really doesn't mean much. We may have scored more points than other games but we certainly gave up a bunch and to be honest how hard did Bama play us all game long.  They are just good, I can see them winning it all barring something coming up. 
I watched the game and maybe its me but Morris just looks shell shocked as things are going wrong.  I don't know him so maybe that's just his look.
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Post by: beach bum on October 06, 2018, 08:14:07 pm
The major question is can we beat Ole Miss?
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Post by: RZback on October 06, 2018, 08:19:30 pm
The major question is can we beat Ole Miss?

Hard to say, Ole Miss has a couple of 70 pt games and has put up good numbers against weaker teams, we would fall into the weaker team category I think.  But we did show better against Bama than Ole Miss.  Defense will be huge.
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Post by: beach bum on October 06, 2018, 08:20:53 pm
Hard to say, Ole Miss has a couple of 70 pt games and has put up good numbers against weaker teams, we would fall into the weaker team category I think.  But we did show better against Bama than Ole Miss.  Defense will be huge.

I think you are right on.... I think if we can hold them to 35-38 points we are giving ourselves at least a chance in a shootout. Ole Miss is particularly awful at stopping the run although their pass defense is not much better.
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Post by: RZback on October 06, 2018, 08:44:10 pm
We can't afford another bad start to the game like we tend to do. 
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Post by: Valleysports on October 07, 2018, 05:07:54 am
Well Morris is the coach!  It's kinda like getting a president, every 4 yrs, once election night is over we might as well stop flapping our gums.   Investigating his record, back to high school, isn't going to lead to impeachment.  Truth is Arkansas doesn't stack up athletically, however it does appear that for the first time in a while thanks to the new coach, SEC talent could be coming.  Right tools for the right job.     
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Post by: gameoflife on October 07, 2018, 11:04:36 pm
For sure Morris is the coach so I reckon he'll get the credit or the blame.  This coming week against Ole Miss really needs to be a win if we want to get to 3-4 wins.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 07, 2018, 11:25:26 pm
Added another 4* DE today.

Dante Walker out of GA.

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Post by: WPWells on October 08, 2018, 07:15:23 am
The new recruit vaulted us up to #13 nationally and #4 in the SEC West.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 08, 2018, 10:12:46 am
The new recruit vaulted us up to #13 nationally and #4 in the SEC West.

The man has been on the job since January. Keep pushing coach Morris!

Great job!
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 08, 2018, 02:26:26 pm
A couple OL would be nice. With the way the TE spot has been used here lately it should look appealing to Henry as well.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 08, 2018, 02:50:17 pm
A couple OL would be nice. With the way the TE spot has been used here lately it should look appealing to Henry as well.

We have 3 or 4 committed. Along with some redshirt freshmen that were rated well. Just not ready for the SEC. We will be fine.
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Post by: WPWells on October 08, 2018, 02:54:09 pm
I saw something this morning that projects us to finish with the #9 class. Our first top 10 class ever. Makes you wonder what Chad will be able to do in a season where we win 7-9 games instead of 1-3.
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Post by: RZback on October 08, 2018, 03:24:51 pm
I saw something this morning that projects us to finish with the #9 class. Our first top 10 class ever. Makes you wonder what Chad will be able to do in a season where we win 7-9 games instead of 1-3.

Makes not a lick of sense.
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Post by: gameoflife on October 08, 2018, 08:28:12 pm
I saw something this morning that projects us to finish with the #9 class. Our first top 10 class ever. Makes you wonder what Chad will be able to do in a season where we win 7-9 games instead of 1-3.

Are you trying to say he will win 7-9 games with the #9 recruiting class instead of winning 1-3 like we are headed towards with this group?  Is that #9 in the nation or SEC?  I suspect you mean nation. 
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Post by: WPWells on October 08, 2018, 08:37:33 pm
Are you trying to say he will win 7-9 games with the #9 recruiting class instead of winning 1-3 like we are headed towards with this group?  Is that #9 in the nation or SEC?  I suspect you mean nation.

Correct, and that we might end up pushing for top 5 classes once we start getting more wins. If he can pull in the #9 class nationally after a season where we win 1-3 games, imagine what sort of class he can pull in after a season where we win 7-9 games.

Sorry, I just reread my post and it was definitely confusing.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 08, 2018, 08:59:54 pm
We have 3 or 4 committed. Along with some redshirt freshmen that were rated well. Just not ready for the SEC. We will be fine.
Still technically thin at that position. But Henry and Catalon would be nice additions.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 08, 2018, 09:17:37 pm
Still technically thin at that position. But Henry and Catalon would be nice additions.

Thin yes. But you have to start somewhere.
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 09, 2018, 10:44:13 am
So our committments are looking up, we just have to get that name on the dotted line as they say.   I do want to note that we still have a ways to go with getting into a competitive position and even with some good recruits, remember playing with a lot of freshman takes a while to get there. Likely to be 3 years away yet.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 09, 2018, 12:10:05 pm
So our committments are looking up, we just have to get that name on the dotted line as they say.   I do want to note that we still have a ways to go with getting into a competitive position and even with some good recruits, remember playing with a lot of freshman takes a while to get there. Likely to be 3 years away yet.

Look what Stoops has done at Kentucky. I think it can be done. Takes some time.
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on October 09, 2018, 01:25:02 pm
Hudson Henry's commitment date is this Thursday... Coincidence that it's the same week of the WMS game or a week after his Stanford OV? Hope he comes here especially with what Morris is showing with O'Grady, which is probably for him...
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Post by: Valleysports on October 10, 2018, 05:50:13 am
Look what Stoops has done at Kentucky. I think it can be done. Takes some time.
Kentucky just got beat by a team in total rebuild, first year coach and staff. 
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Post by: AirWarren on October 10, 2018, 08:02:48 am
Kentucky just got beat by a team in total rebuild, first year coach and staff. 

It's the SEC. It happens.
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Post by: RZback on October 11, 2018, 10:32:57 am
What are the odds for a win this week?
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Post by: WPWells on October 11, 2018, 11:17:47 am
What are the odds for a win this week?

I'd go 50/50.
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on October 11, 2018, 11:26:37 am
If the defense from the A&M game and offense from the Bama game show up then I think we would have a great chance to win.
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Post by: beach bum on October 11, 2018, 11:29:41 am
I'd go 50/50.

I think so too... Ole Miss can score in bunches on a bunch of lowly non conference opponents, but they become pretty ordinary when they get in the SEC offensively. Good, but nothing special when they get into conference play. I am not going to lie. I used to not really ever believe in your hometown Charleston brethen, Ty Story. But his attitude and professionalism has made me a believer in him. All I needed was to see him get some starts to finally see his demeanor on the field was starting QB worthy. I don't want to get on here and make this a Cole Kelley bash fest cause he is still just a young man, but Ty Storey just has the whole package between his ears cause he is so much more composed out there and that intelligence is just invaluable at the QB position. I think his improved play will take us to a narrow win this week on top of the defense being better than Ole Miss's.
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Post by: sportsguy80 on October 11, 2018, 11:34:02 am
Iím in agreement about this game too. Should be the first somewhat colder game with a bit of rain in the forecast. Hopefully, we can pull it out on Saturday.
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Post by: WPWells on October 11, 2018, 12:11:26 pm
HUDSON HENRY WOOO PIG
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Post by: AirWarren on October 11, 2018, 12:22:46 pm
HUDSON HENRY WOOO PIG

Morris is killing it.
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Post by: bleudog on October 11, 2018, 12:33:44 pm
What are the odds for a win this week?

https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=300937
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Post by: beach bum on October 11, 2018, 12:36:48 pm
https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=300937

I know we still are not a good football team, but just a 20% chance against Ole Miss plus a 29% chance against Vanderbilt seems a little off. I'd bump those to 40% for Ole Miss and 49% for Vandy of our chance to win.
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on October 11, 2018, 12:39:40 pm
Can't say the man ain't recruiting for his system... Bielema would just throw out offers to guys that were "good enough" for his system but ended up failing the majority of the time.
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Post by: Romeo on October 11, 2018, 01:20:11 pm
Today is one of those have your cake and eat it too days. Henry is committed and Kelly Bryant is reportedly visiting Arkansas.
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Post by: WPWells on October 11, 2018, 01:20:33 pm
Kelly Bryant has set an official visit to Arkansas.
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Post by: WPWells on October 11, 2018, 01:21:06 pm
Whoops - looks like Romeo beat me to it.
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Post by: Romeo on October 11, 2018, 01:22:22 pm
Arkansas is number 12 on rivals. Never thought I would see Arkansas ranked this high.
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Post by: beach bum on October 11, 2018, 01:37:18 pm
Kelly Bryant has set an official visit to Arkansas.


It would be incredible if some students were out there showing him some love if he is out and about.... Arkansas has a real chance at him.
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Post by: sportsguy80 on October 11, 2018, 01:41:48 pm

It would be incredible if some students were out there showing him some love if he is out and about.... Arkansas has a real chance at him.
Exactly...word is that Morris recruiting and a high possibility of him playing is helping a lot. We may have a chance at a top 10 class after all!
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 11, 2018, 01:46:05 pm
Another huge pick up. The Bryant visit is a good thing too. Will be interesting to see how it goes
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Post by: AirWarren on October 11, 2018, 02:05:50 pm
Kelly Bryant has set an official visit to Arkansas.


Wow.
When Romeo?
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Post by: WPWells on October 11, 2018, 02:39:22 pm

Wow.
When Romeo?

October 20. Tulsa
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on October 11, 2018, 02:40:32 pm
Maybe since it's Tulsa we'll be able to open it up and show him what's to come
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Post by: beach bum on October 11, 2018, 03:06:04 pm
October 20. Tulsa


Perfect time.... Hope people shower the guy with some praise and cheers as loud as they can.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 11, 2018, 03:22:46 pm
12 4 Star recruits committed.

And the man has only been on the job since January.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 11, 2018, 04:03:37 pm
https://www.kark.com/sports/pig-trail-nation/war-memorial-razorback-game-nearing-sellout/1517216413


Bring it Little Rock. We will be there
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Post by: bleudog on October 11, 2018, 04:15:19 pm
https://www.kark.com/sports/pig-trail-nation/war-memorial-razorback-game-nearing-sellout/1517216413


Bring it Little Rock. We will be there

I heard there were a lot of empty seats in Fayetteville for the Alabama game.  What was the turnstile count?  Any chance there will be more people at WMS than were actually at Reynolds?
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Post by: AirWarren on October 11, 2018, 04:16:47 pm
I heard there were a lot of empty seats in Fayetteville for the Alabama game.  What was the turnstile count?  Any chance there will be more people at WMS than were actually at Reynolds?

49k at last game.
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Post by: RZback on October 11, 2018, 06:00:33 pm
49k at last game.

That ain't good.  But that's about all WMS holds, 54,000.  I'm undecided about how our chances are, I'm not sure the showing against Bama is an appropriate measure.  Bama comes in #1 playing a terrible opponent, jumps out to a 21-0 lead.  I just don't think they gave us their best all game.  Ole Miss on the other hand needs a win, like we do, so I expect a more concentrated effort by them and hopefully by us. I'm not sure they can score 70  on us but I'm not sure they cant.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 12, 2018, 08:19:58 am
The stupid high rain chance that just popped up overnight sure is lovely. I swear.
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 12, 2018, 09:55:37 am
Well at least both teams have to play in the same conditions. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: cuckoobird on October 12, 2018, 10:56:29 am
I think heís referring to the way rain will effect the crowd
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: WPWells on October 12, 2018, 10:57:24 am
I know it'll hurt the crowd, but Ole Miss's rushing attack is nonexistent. They rely more on deeper passing routes while we throw short and run more. This could definitely work in our favor.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 12, 2018, 01:38:09 pm
Ole Miss stats show they are about 50/50 run pass, roughly 34/34 run/pass plays per game.  2085 yards passing, 1160 yards rushing.
346/197 passing/rushing per game, about 540 avg

Arkansas stats, almost 50/50 run pass, about 36/33 pass/run per game, 211 passing,  146 rushing per game. 358 yards per game
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 12, 2018, 03:24:24 pm
Letís go Central Arkansas!!! Letís show up for these boys!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on October 12, 2018, 04:59:42 pm
Ole Miss stats show they are about 50/50 run pass, roughly 34/34 run/pass plays per game.  2085 yards passing, 1160 yards rushing.
346/197 passing/rushing per game, about 540 avg

Arkansas stats, almost 50/50 run pass, about 36/33 pass/run per game, 211 passing,  146 rushing per game. 358 yards per game
I know it'll hurt the crowd, but Ole Miss's rushing attack is nonexistent. They rely more on deeper passing routes while we throw short and run more. This could definitely work in our favor.

The tale of the tape is in OM favor it seems. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: WPWells on October 12, 2018, 10:55:26 pm
The tale of the tape is in OM favor it seems.

Tale of the tape is that they have twice as many pass yards as rush yards this season.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on October 13, 2018, 01:40:28 pm
Tale of the tape is that they have twice as many pass yards as rush yards this season.

Seems they have more rushing yards than Arkansas and way more passing yards.  So I'd say the tape is in their favor either way.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 01:53:44 pm
They have better offensive numbers for sure. However that offense hasnít put up those numbers against the better teams they have played. Iím hoping our output last week wasnít a fluke.

Donít know if we win but this is a game we can be in I believe.

Meanwhile tenner is completely outplaying Auburn
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on October 13, 2018, 02:05:48 pm
Got to hope Tenn keeps it up.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 02:11:03 pm
Unless something weird happens Tenner has got this.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on October 13, 2018, 03:33:33 pm
Gus better pick it up or Auburn is going to ask for its money back.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 03:40:29 pm
39 million dollar buy out this year...Gus has some time 😂😂
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 03:43:32 pm
39 million dollar buy out this year...Gus has some time 😂😂


Auburn signed the wrong prenup for sure..... he got it all right though!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on October 13, 2018, 05:01:31 pm
Georgia better get it together or theyíre going down today too...
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 05:35:37 pm
That should do it for Georgia.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on October 13, 2018, 05:37:26 pm

Auburn signed the wrong prenup for sure..... he got it all right though!

Auburn was nuts to sign for that money, Gus wasn't going to leave.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on October 13, 2018, 06:23:46 pm
Game time hogs! Seems like we havenít played a night game in forever.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 06:38:24 pm
The weather looks absolutely awful on the TV screen down there in central AR....
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:00:46 pm
Maybe they can blame the weather for the Clock issues?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 07:02:15 pm
So far the D has come to play. Long pass play they hit was OPI. Offense need to get in sync.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 07:06:41 pm
Maybe they can blame the weather for the Clock issues?


Lol.... the TV audio on SEC Network was messed up for a split second which tends to happen when at WMS. Last time it lasted a while if I remember right.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:07:57 pm
I'm watching on Sec Network on slingtv....I write off stuff like that to being slings fault

In other news it looks like there is still a whole bunch of people in line at the gates
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 07:09:13 pm
That TD pass is why Storey is the QB for this team. His football IQ is very high. The way he stayed composed and shifted in the pocket was sweet. If he had a little more natural arm strength and zip he would be unreal cause he has all the mental intangibles.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 07:11:42 pm
You mean the way he hit a wide open receiver, matched up on a DE?   What defense matches up DE's on TE for coverages.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:12:53 pm
Pulley!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 07:13:14 pm
You mean the way he hit a wide open receiver, matched up on a DE?   What defense matches up DE's on TE for coverages.


He would have been sacked had he not did that though cause he was being rushed badly cause our usual suspect OLineÖ. So it was bad play all around with our OLINE and their pass coverage.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 07:15:17 pm
Ole Miss's run defense  :-X Ö.. It's awful. At least we don't have those type of issues.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:15:27 pm
Touchdown Razorbacks!!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 07:15:57 pm
Ole Miss looks pretty bad.  Maybe this is the Hogs day!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:18:27 pm
Boyd with 140 all purpose yds that quarter...Love It
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on October 13, 2018, 07:19:55 pm
Despite the weather conditions pretty nice crowd.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 07:21:24 pm
Anybody see LSU take GA to the woodshed?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 07:22:10 pm
Ainít over yet. But playing fairly well
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:23:45 pm
Guess those no call Pass Interferences don't go our way 🤷
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 07:25:15 pm
Have to win this to get to 3 or maybe 4 wins.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 07:26:09 pm
Was glad to see Tennessee beat Auburn.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 07:27:20 pm
Whoa,  that didn't look good by  the secondary tacklers.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:30:26 pm
Hopefully Boyd keeps it going
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 07:31:53 pm
You mean the way he hit a wide open receiver, matched up on a DE?   What defense matches up DE's on TE for coverages.


That DE just sold out so bad on that read option where Storey just scampered for 22.... Storey did not even put it in the RB's gut and that DE went running straight for the RB..... He is having a bad night to say the least.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:32:55 pm
Ole miss wanting to fight... Get em out of here!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 07:34:07 pm
Ole miss wanting to fight... Get em out of here!


That guy that came in late on the hit needs out for targeting.... What an idiot. Storey was already being brought down and he comes in and helmet to helmets him.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 07:35:00 pm
Ref busted out the notepad  ;D Ö. I thought for a second there I was watching Premier League soccer where the ref books a player for a yellow card and puts his number down in the book.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:38:10 pm
😂😂. Think that's the first I've seen that happen lol
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on October 13, 2018, 07:38:56 pm
Storey just took a huge shot again
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:39:30 pm
Take a head to head shot...then leave him out to dry like that....come on guys
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 07:40:15 pm
Storey just took a huge shot again


I hope he is just roughed up and not really injured.... He's been so solid.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Valleysports on October 13, 2018, 07:41:18 pm
Kelly is AWESOME!!!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 07:41:19 pm
I hope that wasn't designed to go to Storey, if it was it was dumb.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on October 13, 2018, 07:41:33 pm

I hope he is just roughed up and not really injured.... He's been so solid.
Great answer Cole!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 07:41:50 pm
What a crazy game.... Now Kelley first play TD... Rarely does a football game keep me engaged completely non stop. I usually watch off and on, but this one is wild.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 07:42:04 pm
Then Kelley comes in and does that
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 07:42:19 pm
I hope that wasn't designed to go to Storey, if it was it was dumb.

My thoughts as well.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 07:42:26 pm
Good for Hogs, another terrible job of coverage by OM. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on October 13, 2018, 07:43:46 pm
This may be a good game, both teams making good and bad plays.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 07:44:22 pm
Kelly is AWESOME!!!


At least he was for that one play!! I'll take it.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on October 13, 2018, 07:45:20 pm
Ole Miss needs some help with coverage scheme or coaching or something.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:45:40 pm
Ole Miss defense has been awful all season
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 07:47:37 pm
I hope that wasn't designed to go to Storey, if it was it was dumb.
RB was held in the play or heís wide open. Storey was the outlet and the OL missed the block
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 07:49:47 pm
Still was dumb if he was designed to be the guy, don't really need to loose him.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:50:38 pm
Id bet Storey was the last option on the play
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:51:21 pm
Why can't SEC schools get reliable kickers?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 07:53:17 pm
I guess the same reason some cannot get reliable lineman.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:55:21 pm
Hey those were recruited by a self proclaimed guru 🤷
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 07:57:34 pm
Iím guessing Boyd may be more dinged up than we thought
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 07:59:28 pm
Ole Miss needs to reem that kid.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 07:59:47 pm
Think I'll just add this extra shove on the qb, that ref standing over us won't see it.... Ole Miss staff needs to get em under control
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 08:02:34 pm
Our kicker is 2-2....hope I don't jinx him
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on October 13, 2018, 08:04:29 pm
Some problems with attitudes are apparent.  Seen the same things out of a few of our guys in the past.  Can't win with that much of that stuff.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 08:38:29 pm
So far So good!  Now let's see if we can play an entire game.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on October 13, 2018, 08:39:28 pm
Offense has been very efficient, and OL is giving lanes. Also doing a good job of keeping Ole Miss off the field
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 08:41:53 pm
Is it just me or does Ole Miss look soft.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 08:44:28 pm
I know our OL ain't that good, so OM DL must stink.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on October 13, 2018, 08:46:39 pm
Commentator made nice point about OL staying on the double teams. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 08:48:56 pm
Need to start getting TDS in these drives. Donít think FGs are gonna cut it. Iím assuming Boyd is done for the night.

This snapping issue has got to get fixed
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 08:53:09 pm
Cannot give that up on an obvious passing down
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 09:01:35 pm
Boyd is done for the night per social media....he's not even in pads now
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 09:06:48 pm
Saw that and another darn high snap basically kills another drive at the 20. We cannot trade FGs with their TDs
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 09:06:52 pm
Gotta finish those drives l
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 09:21:58 pm
Thank you to OM kicker.  Two misses.  Nice..
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 09:22:43 pm
I'll take a miss...still a 2 possession lead
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 09:26:06 pm
I admire the guts there but he just needs to run out of bounds
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 09:27:36 pm
There's guts and then there's dumb.   That's dumb.  I will say he hasn't had that many snaps in the SEC and almost none until this season, he hasn't learned to know when its a good thing and when it isn't.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 09:31:19 pm
Hayden is to timid
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 09:31:48 pm
We still do dumb stuff, 44!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 09:32:26 pm
So why Kelley and not Noland.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: The Future on October 13, 2018, 09:33:10 pm
Nice flop lol
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 09:49:08 pm
Playbto the dang whistle
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 09:49:26 pm
We better move the chains once or twice or this will not end well 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 09:51:13 pm
Welp I think we are about give this one away.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 10:02:01 pm
Wow... Need a miracle now
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 10:02:23 pm
Told you
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: VHSCoach2 on October 13, 2018, 10:04:22 pm
Razorback Football... always snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 10:04:49 pm
Oh Boy!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 10:05:21 pm
If you are OM you have to keep the ball in play.  Arkansas has to work the boundary.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 10:06:23 pm
Really #54  ???
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 10:07:02 pm
Typical
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on October 13, 2018, 10:07:20 pm
Wow
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 10:07:54 pm
Wide open and he throws it 20 yards over everything
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 10:08:05 pm
And we know why Kelley ain't the QB.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 10:08:44 pm
If he ws throwing to #8 that was a horrible attempt. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 10:08:57 pm
Now pulley is ejected and out for next game
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on October 13, 2018, 10:09:02 pm
Kelly's eyes have to be bad or something....every INT he's thrown this year has been like that one...
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 10:09:28 pm
This is more BS by our guys, shut the heck up.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 10:10:04 pm
Why we can't pull this game out, no discipline.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: The Future on October 13, 2018, 10:10:12 pm
And thereís the Arkansas team we all know.

I swear if football was a 3 quarter game weíd be undefeated save bama
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Romeo on October 13, 2018, 10:11:36 pm
Lol...it's like Cole Kelley litterally looked for an Ole Miss defensive back to throw to.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 10:12:48 pm
Why Cole Kelley in the game, Noland takes the 2nd team snaps,  but then you go with Mr. INT in the clutch. This is poor decision making. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 10:13:09 pm
I think AirWarren may have been at that game in person?? If you were we all feel for you having to witness that in person!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on October 13, 2018, 10:14:03 pm
I typically don't make the excuses, but we win that game by 6-10 points if Storey does not get knocked out.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: The Future on October 13, 2018, 10:18:14 pm
I typically don't make the excuses, but we win that game by 6-10 points if Storey does not get knocked out.

Also you canít expect to trade 4 tds for field goals. Had we scored on just one of them drives, we possibly win the game by a possession.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Romeo on October 13, 2018, 10:20:33 pm
You also have to wonder what the outcome of the game would have been if Storey goes out of bounds.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 10:24:03 pm
And if Boud and Whaley donít go out. This high snap issue has got to get fixed as well. 4 drives completed stopped due to poor timing from bad snaps.

Absolutely should never go in to prevent defense again. Eveytime we do itís a quick score for the other team. 97 yards in just over a minute is unacceptable

I hate giving games away and it seems like we still cannot get out of our own way. Dumb penalties and horrible decisions by players and coaches continue to plague us
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 10:24:48 pm
Also you canít expect to trade 4 tds for field goals. Had we scored on just one of them drives, we possibly win the game by a possession.

their kicker missed two FG's, it was about even in screw ups.  Neither team is really good.
I'm just wondering about our decision making, you make Noland the #2 and then play Kelley.  You must not believe in what you do all week.  Look at the first 4 games with the constant changing QB's.  Same thing with Boyd, they hardly played him until Whaley got hurt.  Sort like they don't have a grasp of who should play.  So frustrating, .
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 13, 2018, 10:26:33 pm
Also you canít expect to trade 4 tds for field goals. Had we scored on just one of them drives, we possibly win the game by a possession.
Not one shot st the end zone when we got in close. Bad snaps and conservative play calling
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 13, 2018, 10:29:00 pm
I think we have run the gambit on musical players, and perhaps we need to be demanding a higher level of play, discipline and self control from some of these guys.  All that talk of loving the players, and being positive all the time, well its like haveing kids, you love them but you make them meet standards and hold them responsible for being stupid.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 13, 2018, 11:03:28 pm
Amazing crowd. Great game. I had a great time.

We will get there.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Lumberjackfan1978 on October 13, 2018, 11:23:17 pm
It was a great crowd and a good game. Go Hogs
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: High Voltage on October 14, 2018, 09:05:49 am
CCM is a recruiter for sure, but some of his in game decisions just baffle me. Why do you put in Cole Kelly when Noland has been getting the #2 snaps all week? That's just stupid and not showing any confidence in the kid. Also putting Storey in harms way all night. I wonder about Morris sometimes. ::)
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Valleysports on October 14, 2018, 09:47:52 am
I typically don't make the excuses, but we win that game by 6-10 points if Storey does not get knocked out.

OR the defense doesn't give up 613 yards (387 passing / 226 rushing) and 37 points.  Ole Miss acted like the Hog Defense was the practice squad in that last quarter. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 14, 2018, 01:15:14 pm
It was such as an amazing time. The crowd was fun, the team played their tails off.

Get on hogville and see just hate and garbage. That website is horrible. Kind of glad I got a month vacation. Kind of good to be naive from the crap people out there and just enjoy the experience.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Romeo on October 14, 2018, 01:27:02 pm
It was such as an amazing time. The crowd was fun, the team played their tails off.

Get on hogville and see just hate and garbage. That website is horrible. Kind of glad I got a month vacation. Kind of good to be naive from the crap people out there and just enjoy the experience.

Nearly every fanbase has a lunatic fringe and MMQB on Hogville represents about 85% of ours.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 14, 2018, 03:36:07 pm
Amazing crowd. Great game. I had a great time.

We will get there.

I'm pretty sure lots of people said that with BB!  All depends on where there is!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on October 14, 2018, 05:11:10 pm
Had some better performances last night but just not good enough yet to get it done.  Yeah injuries hurt but that is always part of football.  Depth and keeping composure during adverse conditions is part of getting to a winning place.  Some coach needs to teach Storey that if you run the ball in the SEC you are going to get hammered and we cannot afford to go back to Kelley.  Storey tries hard, doesn't have a great arm but the gameplan seems to be organized around what he does well, we need to keep him in the game.  All season coaches have talked about need for better protection and then you hang your QB out to dry a couple of plays and haven't coached him to get down apparently.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 14, 2018, 10:06:28 pm
51,438. In wet, cold, ďterrible placeĒ conditions....


Largest crowd the hogs have played in front of all year.


Way to show up LR/central ARK/south ark and the fans that traveled from the north. 
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Post by: RZback on October 15, 2018, 08:41:55 pm
So are we still favored to beat Tulsa? 66% last I saw.
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on October 15, 2018, 09:11:52 pm
So are we still favored to beat Tulsa? 66% last I saw.
Pretty sad odds when you're an SEC team playing at home in October against a 1 win AAC team
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Post by: bleudog on October 15, 2018, 09:50:34 pm
So are we still favored to beat Tulsa? 66% last I saw.

57%

https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=300937
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 16, 2018, 01:10:30 pm
Pretty sad odds when you're an SEC team playing at home in October against a 1 win AAC team

So looks like just slightly in our favor at home.  Boy, that is a bummer.
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Post by: bleudog on October 16, 2018, 01:28:15 pm
Pretty sad odds when you're an SEC team playing at home in October against a 1 win AAC team

Well one team is going to chalk up win number two.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on October 16, 2018, 04:55:14 pm
Want to know what one of our problems in Arkansas football is.  Listening to Bo Mattingly while taking care of a business call this afternoon.  Arkansas call in fans are just plain ignorant.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 16, 2018, 05:26:55 pm
Want to know what one of our problems in Arkansas football is.  Listening to Bo Mattingly while taking care of a business call this afternoon.  Arkansas call in fans are just plain ignorant.

Yup. Slap full of uneducated morons.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: cuckoobird on October 16, 2018, 06:04:35 pm
And if you listen to mattingly you is one...
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 17, 2018, 08:04:13 am
And if you listen to mattingly you is one...

Arkansasí favorite pencil neck.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Redwolves8526 on October 17, 2018, 12:43:11 pm
Arkansasí favorite pencil neck.

Haha, got a good laugh out of this one.

Who will start if Storey cannot go? Im rooting for Noland. If he plays in this game, will he still be able to redshirt?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: cuckoobird on October 17, 2018, 12:56:35 pm
I wouldnít waist a year of playing time on this year but I would love to see morris do it
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Post by: Redwolves8526 on October 17, 2018, 01:25:20 pm
I wouldnít waist a year of playing time on this year but I would love to see morris do it

Absolutely not, but with the new redshirt rule, I wasn't sure if he could play in this game and still have the ability to redshirt.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 17, 2018, 03:17:17 pm
If Arkansas can win this game they better do whatever it takes to get the W. If it means Noland plays then he plays whether he losses a year or not.  To be honest, with the recruits we think we are getting none of the current guys may have much playing time in their future unless they improve greatly.  Go get this win, whatever it takes.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 17, 2018, 04:12:03 pm
Kelly Bryant coming to Fayetteville this weekend. He says he is excited to see what Arkansas has to offer.

Surely the fans can show him more than 42k in a half empty stadium that can hold 76k.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 17, 2018, 04:32:44 pm
I'm curious as to the planing behind recruitinf KB.  If he comes I would think he would be the starter, otherwise why leave where he is and why come here or anywhere else unless he's sure he is starting.  So, he comes in and has 1 season, what about the other recruits at the QB spot?  Do they stay, or leave, do the other incoming recruits at QB come or opt for some other school rather than wait?
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Post by: bleudog on October 17, 2018, 05:05:27 pm
I'm curious as to the planing behind recruitinf KB.  If he comes I would think he would be the starter, otherwise why leave where he is and why come here or anywhere else unless he's sure he is starting.  So, he comes in and has 1 season, what about the other recruits at the QB spot?  Do they stay, or leave, do the other incoming recruits at QB come or opt for some other school rather than wait?

Recruiting long term OBs might be iffy until Morris' son decides what he wants to do.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/chad-morris-son-2020-qb-recruit-chandler-morris-lands-offer-clemson/



Back to Bryant: 

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/kelly-bryant-says-hes-looking-forward-to-seeing-what-arkansas-has-to-offer/
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bigworm on October 17, 2018, 09:51:40 pm
If Arkansas can win this game they better do whatever it takes to get the W. If it means Noland plays then he plays whether he losses a year or not.  To be honest, with the recruits we think we are getting none of the current guys may have much playing time in their future unless they improve greatly.  Go get this win, whatever it takes.

The way i undestand it, they can play 4 games. He has only played in one didmt he?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on October 19, 2018, 05:04:16 pm
Ty Storey out against Tulsa. Hopefully Noland will start since it's against a team like them and can show us what someone more built for Morris's offense than Kelley or Story can do
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 19, 2018, 06:27:04 pm
I wouldnít get your hopes up. Iím putting my money on kelley.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bigworm on October 19, 2018, 06:29:28 pm
Ty Storey out against Tulsa. Hopefully Noland will start since it's against a team like them and can show us what someone more built for Morris's offense than Kelley or Story can do

How is Connor more built for morris offense than story? Id go along with him being more built than kelly for sure though.

Thats a question. Not a slap.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 19, 2018, 06:35:35 pm
How is Connor more built for morris offense than story? Id go along with him being more built than kelly for sure though.

Thats a question. Not a slap.

Storey has earned my respect big time. Kid may like to get his bell rung, be he is one tough guy and he has had zero problem showing his team that he is our best QB.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 20, 2018, 10:27:17 am
Just got a picture of the crowd up there. 30 min before kickoff.

Sad.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: JacketFan on October 20, 2018, 10:51:45 am
I often wonder what Hog football would have been if Pearl Harbor never happened.  To explain, arguably the greatest college coach of all time, Bear Bryant was born in Moro Bottom Arkansas, was a great high school player, played college ball at Alabama, and started coaching after that.  Long story short, Bryant was offered the head coaching job at Arkansas, but turned it down to join the Navy to serve his country, and we all know the rest of the story.  So yes, the greatest coach of all time was a Arkansas boy, and we missed out on him because of war.  The first of many bad breaks for the Hogs.  Sorry for the long post, Go Hogs.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 10:57:23 am
Hog walk was empty. Stands are empty. Storey is out Noland to start. Whaley out. Then you find out last week Morris left Williams off the roster to bring a supposedly injured Hammonds.

I question some of the decision making by this staff especially being conservative when trying to win games.

Not sure how to read this staff at all
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 11:01:40 am
A few more fans have rushed in.

Just get a win
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 20, 2018, 11:09:51 am
A few more fans have rushed in.

Just get a win

My buddy says maybe 40k.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 11:15:21 am
My buddy says maybe 40k.
What it looks like now. They are in to the game though.

What is it with kickers these days.

Good job by the defense to hold on the short field.

Does anyone else think that Cornelius has checked out
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 11:18:24 am
What a spot
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 20, 2018, 11:21:15 am
Not impressed by what I see out of the QB.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 20, 2018, 11:22:31 am
So I thought Kelley was the announced starter? Has he already been replaced or did Noland start.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 20, 2018, 11:28:30 am
So I thought Kelley was the announced starter? Has he already been replaced or did Noland start.
Noland started.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 11:33:29 am
So I thought Kelley was the announced starter? Has he already been replaced or did Noland start.
Even last week Noland had been getting more reps than  Kelley
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 20, 2018, 11:35:09 am
A smart move.  Kelley needs to stay on the sideline.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 11:35:36 am
Not impressed by what I see out of the QB.
Getting a little better. A lot of confusion on the line on some of these run plays as well. They are gonna make us pass as much as they can so Noland is gonna have to make good decisions
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on October 20, 2018, 11:37:57 am
Yeah Iím here and the crowd looks a little better but not like it should. Glad weíre on the board with that kick.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 11:38:20 am
Another conservative play call.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 11:39:19 am
Yeah Iím here and the crowd looks a little better but not like it should. Glad weíre on the board with that kick.
Id like to see is take a shot at the EZ
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 20, 2018, 11:40:53 am
My Gosh.  Somebody tell KB the bill on a cap goes in front.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 20, 2018, 11:42:55 am
Tulsa QB is having problems hitting open receivers.  Another help to us. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 11:49:19 am
Smooth move 13
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Post by: AirWarren on October 20, 2018, 11:50:09 am
This is so sad.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 11:52:33 am
Where he needs to be right now
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 20, 2018, 11:54:02 am
Hey, Morris sent the dumb kid to the locker room?  I got to give him some credit for that move.  You cant' keep doing stupid things on field and getting away with it.  You hurting your team. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 20, 2018, 11:56:11 am
We should thank the lord that Tulsa is pretty bad.  I can almost smell a win.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 20, 2018, 11:57:34 am
Hey, Morris sent the dumb kid to the locker room?  I got to give him some credit for that move.  You cant' keep doing stupid things on field and getting away with it.  You hurting your team. 

Yup. We have to keep culling these terrible attitudes.


Saw TJ on crutches.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 20, 2018, 12:32:39 pm
I donít see Kelly Bryant choosing Arkansas.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 01:00:16 pm
Having to check scores on my phone whyís Kelley throwing lol
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 01:02:34 pm
I donít see Kelly Bryant choosing Arkansas.
I donít either. But we could sure use him
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 20, 2018, 01:09:07 pm
Maleek Williams. He does exist!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 01:18:47 pm
Right should be our second option. IMO
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 20, 2018, 01:20:41 pm
Right should be our second option. IMO

Chase dances too much.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 01:30:46 pm
Chase dances too much.
Yes he does. Would be a good guy to maybe put in the slot
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on October 20, 2018, 01:31:06 pm
Coleís pass to CJ earlier looked like a catch to me but I am on the opposite side so...
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 01:49:50 pm
Is Boud injured. Noticed no carries in a while
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Post by: sportsguy80 on October 20, 2018, 02:06:30 pm
Is Boud injured. Noticed no carries in a while
Heís walking around so he may be ok.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 02:33:03 pm
Game in hand so probably just resting him
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 20, 2018, 03:02:15 pm
Better keep him healthy, he's the run game right now.
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Post by: sportsguy80 on October 20, 2018, 03:31:00 pm
May not seem like much but that win meant a lot. Hopefully we will build off of it for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 20, 2018, 08:22:32 pm
Will take everyone we can get. Well deserved. Hopefully it gets these guys to where they can finish a few more of these games out
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 20, 2018, 08:59:45 pm
Vandy is the next best chance to get another win.  We will see how that goes, I think we will need to play better than today and hopefully we get TS back for that game. 
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Post by: RZback on October 21, 2018, 01:24:39 pm
Vandy is looking more like a possible win than it did several weeks ago.  Vandy has struggled the last several weeks and although still favored by a very small margin, it certainly could be win #3.  After Vandy it will be much more difficult to seen us win.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 21, 2018, 03:32:25 pm
Missouri is a horrible matchup for us. LSUs defense is stout we probably donít have enough offense to channel get them. Vandy and MSU are struggling we should be able to be in these games to the end.

We have got to quit being so conservative though.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 22, 2018, 04:26:59 pm
Vandy I can see but the other 3 I think are doubtful.  LSU is just about an impossible win. Missouri and Mississippi are pretty long shots.
 So we could be anything from 2-10, 3-9, 4-8 when the season plays out.  If we wind up 4-8 that would be a statement of CCM getting a little better hand on the program than he started with.  A good sign for next year.  If we don't win another game it just says we beat the worse team on the schedule, not necessarily got better but just got a worse opponent.  So we will see how it goes.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 22, 2018, 07:12:57 pm
Nate Dalton will not be participating in team activities or practices this week.
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Post by: bleudog on October 22, 2018, 08:02:50 pm
Vandy I can see but the other 3 I think are doubtful.  LSU is just about an impossible win. Missouri and Mississippi are pretty long shots.
 So we could be anything from 2-10, 3-9, 4-8 when the season plays out.  If we wind up 4-8 that would be a statement of CCM getting a little better hand on the program than he started with.  A good sign for next year.  If we don't win another game it just says we beat the worse team on the schedule, not necessarily got better but just got a worse opponent.  So we will see how it goes.

https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=300937
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on October 23, 2018, 09:39:01 am
It hasn't been very widely circulated, but JUCO OL Josh Donovan committed Sunday night. He's from College Station, but didn't have any major offers. This coaching staff seems to have adapted to the level of players we have, and the line has done pretty good on not allowing sacks, but QB hits are a big issue. Right now it's all about getting more depth on it, and having 4 commits and potentially two more could be nice
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Post by: RZback on October 23, 2018, 03:35:24 pm
How are we doing on OL/DL recruits. I see more skilled player information than guys in the trenches.  All the skill players will not be enough without OL.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 23, 2018, 04:12:49 pm
When does Arkansas expect to hear from Kelley Bryant on his decision? I understand he will come in in January if he comes?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 23, 2018, 06:52:37 pm
When does Arkansas expect to hear from Kelley Bryant on his decision? I understand he will come in in January if he comes?

Visiting mizzou soon.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 23, 2018, 07:15:19 pm
How are we doing on OL/DL recruits. I see more skilled player information than guys in the trenches.  All the skill players will not be enough without OL.
DL has been pretty good
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Post by: AirWarren on October 23, 2018, 07:47:34 pm
DL has been pretty good

And honestly, coach Fry has done a heck of a job with what we got. Itís been a while since our quarterback has been on his back near death especially in SEC play. We have a way to go, but man I think it looks tons better than it did. We just had to align the right guys in the right spot.  With a few more additions and a full year to recruit(not just a few months), he will get us some linemen.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 23, 2018, 07:52:48 pm
We have a way to go, but man I think it looks tons better than it did. We just had to align the right guys in the right spot.

Agreed, but doesn't it seem like it took an awfully long time to get the right guys on the field?
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Post by: AirWarren on October 23, 2018, 08:01:08 pm
Agreed, but doesn't it seem like it took an awfully long time to get the right guys on the field?

Thatís because our last offensive line coach was a grade A clown. I donít think Iíve seen a more worse hire in my 33 years on earth than that guy. I donít even remember his name Iíve blocked him out so much.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 23, 2018, 08:04:32 pm
Thatís because our last offensive line coach was a grade A clown. I donít think Iíve seen a more worse hire in my 33 years on watch than that guy. I donít even remember his name Iíve blocked him out so much.

What does the last coach have to do with getting the right players on the field this year? 
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Post by: AirWarren on October 23, 2018, 08:19:49 pm
What does the last coach have to do with getting the right players on the field this year? 

My point is. We had the players. Just didnít have the coach last year to get aligned.

Froholt was a preseason center for whatever reason. And he is no center. It took a decent coach to come in and see what he had, shift and finally get it right. Trial by error. Trial by fire.
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on October 23, 2018, 10:31:25 pm
Yeah so that was the point, we had to go trial and error instead of spring ball and  preseason practice to get the guys we needed on the field.  Seems it took a little long.  Anyway, I hope we have the ones we need now for Saturday.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 24, 2018, 09:37:19 am
All about offensive scheme and quick plays. This line obviously better suited for pass pro rather than downhill cloud of dust. Just needed to get in shape and learn their assignments. That stuff doesnít happen overnight no matter how fast a fan thinks it should.


http://forums.hogville.net/index.php?topic=670671.0
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 24, 2018, 08:00:01 pm
Taurean Carter on board. DL with a very good offer list
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on October 24, 2018, 08:15:57 pm
Ok so I'm curious.  Some folks talking about how much improvement we have made.???  We won a game that  beginning last Spring by almost all predictions was a for sure win.  One of the for 4-6 sure wins we would get.  Have we improved?  Well lets hope so, we have practiced spring , preseason and 8 games, I hope so.  Have the teams we have played improved, very likely.  This is what worries me.  We have made some improvement but so have the teams we are playing, so where does that leave us.   It's likely we are going to need another season or possibly 2 to get to a truly competitive point.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 24, 2018, 08:27:20 pm
I would expect us to be more competitive next year. NT and Bama are really the only two teams that have handed us our butts.

We gave away two more games this year. Those are the ones that really bother me. I truly believe itís hold over from Beliema.

We have a long ways to go still. IMO it will take another two years to see what this offense will truly look like.

The defensive recruiting looks to be some of the best we have ever had.

OL and developing a QB will be absolutely crucial. Really hoping KJ is the real deal and takes the reigns after a RS year
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Post by: RZback on October 25, 2018, 11:47:28 am
Ok so I'm curious.  Some folks talking about how much improvement we have made.???  We won a game that  beginning last Spring by almost all predictions was a for sure win.  One of the for 4-6 sure wins we would get.  Have we improved?  Well lets hope so, we have practiced spring , preseason and 8 games, I hope so.  Have the teams we have played improved, very likely.  This is what worries me.  We have made some improvement but so have the teams we are playing, so where does that leave us.   It's likely we are going to need another season or possibly 2 to get to a truly competitive point.

Some truth here and I also think it's going to be a slower process than some fans seem to believe.  Playing a bunch of fresh recruits is not usually a quick fix to a program that is trying to get out of the dumpster.  Those young players are going to have to play against lots of junior and senior filled football teams, that will take a bit of time to get up to par.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 26, 2018, 10:56:15 am
Some truth here and I also think it's going to be a slower process than some fans seem to believe.  Playing a bunch of fresh recruits is not usually a quick fix to a program that is trying to get out of the dumpster.  Those young players are going to have to play against lots of junior and senior filled football teams, that will take a bit of time to get up to par.

Very probable scenario here, that playing lots of young underclassmen may take time to get the desired results.  Most people usually acknowledge that youth means more mistakes.  Couple of years away from getting into the upper portion of the conference.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on October 27, 2018, 10:46:11 am
Ty is back! Letís go hogs!!!
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 27, 2018, 11:08:40 am
Good opening drive
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 27, 2018, 11:12:54 am
May be the best looking scoring drive of the season
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Post by: sportsguy80 on October 27, 2018, 11:17:28 am
Yup...now we need to figure out how to stop their running game.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 27, 2018, 11:19:48 am
Terrible angles. Arm tackles. Santos....just bad.

Gotta clean that up.


Just got a picture of the crowd, horrible.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 27, 2018, 11:20:14 am
If we donít it looks like a shootout. Hope Greenlaw can get back in there
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 27, 2018, 11:21:30 am
Terrible angles. Arm tackles. Santos....just bad.

Gotta clean that up.


Just got a picture of the crowd, horrible.
Maybe one day we can get off these 11am starts
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Post by: WPWells on October 27, 2018, 11:21:36 am
I think weíd have the advantage in a shootout
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 27, 2018, 11:28:08 am
If we could line up correctly
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 27, 2018, 11:31:41 am
Gotta catch that
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 27, 2018, 11:39:23 am
Should have never thrown that one
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: sportsguy80 on October 27, 2018, 12:03:19 pm
Nice run blocking
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on October 27, 2018, 12:40:26 pm
Gotta play some defense.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on October 27, 2018, 12:57:25 pm
I question trying a FG you have no shot at making. Either throw the Hail Mary or kneel it.

Got to quit giving up scores late in quarters. Seems like we relax in those situations
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Post by: sportsguy80 on October 27, 2018, 01:08:51 pm
Last second 55 yarder
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 27, 2018, 01:10:13 pm
Which is about his range. 5 yards is a mile for a kicker
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Post by: AirWarren on October 27, 2018, 01:22:16 pm
Defense is sad.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 27, 2018, 01:34:04 pm
Guess Greenlaw is out again.
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on October 27, 2018, 01:43:43 pm
Definitely can't say the run D is one of the nation's best... And it's Vanderbilt. Not sure I wanna see how LSU will hand it to them playing like this
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Post by: AirWarren on October 27, 2018, 01:51:13 pm
Get one stop guys.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 27, 2018, 02:01:26 pm
No heart. No pride.


Hoping for at least 10-15 more transfers.
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Post by: gameoflife on October 27, 2018, 02:38:26 pm
I think weíd have the advantage in a shootout

Apparently not.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 27, 2018, 03:49:59 pm
Apparently not.

Nope. Huge talent disparity + lack of heart = pathetic season.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 27, 2018, 04:28:47 pm
We canít use the talent disparity as an excuse. We have out recruited Vandy for the most part.

But this second half collapse stuff is left over from the beliema regime. I believe until this roster is completely turned over it will continue to happen.

I didnít get to watch the second half, not sure if I want to.

Fairly certain we will be 2-10 this year and next wonít be much better with the turnover we need.

Never thought we would be the worst program in the SEC and now probably one of the worst in the country.

Just got  took to the woodshed by Vanderbilt. VANDERBILT.
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Post by: bigworm on October 27, 2018, 09:04:37 pm
😢

But help is on the way.
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Post by: gameoflife on October 27, 2018, 09:21:56 pm
Does anyone think at least some of the blame for the way we play lies with the current coaching staff?
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Post by: beach bum on October 27, 2018, 09:23:59 pm
I have already moved over to basketball mode.... Ready to see some Gafford dunks and him blocking shots into the stands.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 27, 2018, 09:40:31 pm
Does anyone think at least some of the blame for the way we play lies with the current coaching staff?
Yes it does. Losing to an SEC opponent is one thing, it happens. An upset happens every once in a while as well.

But this is looking 2-10 with losses to CDU and NT. And not just losses. But debacles.

While the recruiting seems to be good. And there have been minor improvements. This staff hasnít shown it can get it done.

System change and all know other team has struggled like this.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 27, 2018, 09:56:11 pm
Yes it does. Losing to an SEC opponent is one thing, it happens. An upset happens every once in a while as well.

But this is looking 2-10 with losses to CDU and NT. And not just losses. But debacles.

While the recruiting seems to be good. And there have been minor improvements. This staff hasnít shown it can get it done.

System change and all know other team has struggled like this.

What does the staff have to do with Ty Storey throwing pass after pass thatís batted down at the LOS?

What does the coaching staff have to do with ty Storey overthrowing a wide open Jordan Jones?

What does the coach staff have to do with our defensive line getting manhandled?

What does the coaching staff have to do with as soon as greenlaw goes out, the wheels fall off the defense?

What does the coaching staff have to do with Santos Ramirez taking bad angle after bad angle and ripping the ball instead of tackling?

Some of you people are unbelievable. Get used to it, find another team, or get behind this man. Youíre delusional perception of Arkansas being this magical destination job that should be able to attract anyone is dung. We had our chance. No Malzahn. No Norvell. No Gundy. No Kiffen. No Bob Stoops. And look what we landed. Arkansas is a mid level program that will always be mid level. Iím 33 and this is the revolving door of my life as a hog fan. Nothing new. Nothing changed.

Oh wait 1964. Big whoop. That was in a day when your offense line was slap full of 5í11 guys. Those days are over and are a joke compared to todayís landscape.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 27, 2018, 11:12:26 pm
What does the staff have to do with Ty Storey throwing pass after pass thatís batted down at the LOS?

What does the coaching staff have to do with ty Storey overthrowing a wide open Jordan Jones?

What does the coach staff have to do with our defensive line getting manhandled?

What does the coaching staff have to do with as soon as greenlaw goes out, the wheels fall off the defense?

What does the coaching staff have to do with Santos Ramirez taking bad angle after bad angle and ripping the ball instead of tackling?

Some of you people are unbelievable. Get used to it, find another team, or get behind this man. Youíre delusional perception of Arkansas being this magical destination job that should be able to attract anyone is dung. We had our chance. No Malzahn. No Norvell. No Gundy. No Kiffen. No Bob Stoops. And look what we landed. Arkansas is a mid level program that will always be mid level. Iím 33 and this is the revolving door of my life as a hog fan. Nothing new. Nothing changed.

Oh wait 1964. Big whoop. That was in a day when your offense line was slap full of 5í11 guys. Those days are over and are a joke compared to todayís landscape.
Im all Hog. But itís bad right now and we have never seen it this bad. Is it all on the staff? No. Players have to make plays. But the staff has to help put them in the positions to make those plays.

Poor tackling and angles. That is due to bad practice and habits. Last staff or this one has been able to correct them.

We arenít even performing mid level as you are saying we are.

Morris will get his chance and he will turn it around or he wonít.

It is just hard to watch. Which I do every week, and sometimes be able to make my one or two games a year in person. And see what has been done to this program while middling but being competitive reduced to a doormat in just a few years.

This program is and should be better than we are.

This is more on the previous staff and admin than the present regime. We all know this.

However some blame is in the current staff. And this may be just me. But Morris came in and said hammer down. We have seen nothing to the sort as of yet. Understand there are some limitations but so far the staff is very conservative. Seeming afraid to lose while losing. Iíd rather see some chances taken, what do we have to lose.

Iíll always root for our Hogs. But doesnít mean I canít have an opinion when things look like they do right now. Donít care who the coach is. But this program is better than bottom of the barrel
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Post by: AirWarren on October 27, 2018, 11:47:43 pm
Im all Hog. But itís bad right now and we have never seen it this bad. Is it all on the staff? No. Players have to make plays. But the staff has to help put them in the positions to make those plays.

Poor tackling and angles. That is due to bad practice and habits. Last staff or this one has been able to correct them.

We arenít even performing mid level as you are saying we are.

Morris will get his chance and he will turn it around or he wonít.

It is just hard to watch. Which I do every week, and sometimes be able to make my one or two games a year in person. And see what has been done to this program while middling but being competitive reduced to a doormat in just a few years.

This program is and should be better than we are.

This is more on the previous staff and admin than the present regime. We all know this.

However some blame is in the current staff. And this may be just me. But Morris came in and said hammer down. We have seen nothing to the sort as of yet. Understand there are some limitations but so far the staff is very conservative. Seeming afraid to lose while losing. Iíd rather see some chances taken, what do we have to lose.

Iíll always root for our Hogs. But doesnít mean I canít have an opinion when things look like they do right now. Donít care who the coach is. But this program is better than bottom of the barrel

Again. Chances were taken.

OíGrady made plays down the field. Mike woods had a great long catch. Boyd and chase both had great games. You canít throw the ball all over the place when you have two or 3 consistent mediocre WRís.

Overthrow of jones.

And at least 5 passes batted down at the LOS that were at least 10-15 yard pass routes down the field.

The team just sucks. Storey is not sec.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 28, 2018, 08:52:17 am
Again. Chances were taken.

OíGrady made plays down the field. Mike woods had a great long catch. Boyd and chase both had great games. You canít throw the ball all over the place when you have two or 3 consistent mediocre WRís.

Overthrow of jones.

And at least 5 passes batted down at the LOS that were at least 10-15 yard pass routes down the field.

The team just sucks. Storey is not sec.
See my comment about limitations. But if you watch the presser the game plan was going to be more conservative than what happened. Morris specifically says we HAD to throw the ball 36 times. We arenít going to win like that.

I completely understand we donít have an SEC quarterback on the roster. Much less one for this system it seems.

Another 4th down and trying to hold with your defense getting gashed the entire second half. Morris himself, plan was to pin them deep and get a hold. What evidence is there that the D would hold. We hadnít stopped them since the first series of the half had we.

Again probably 90% of this is on the past staff. Itís not a talent thing. It could be a speed thing, which we lack overall speed. And itís a mental thing. And Moroís pretty much calls it out in his presser saying we are going to do what we do. Not going to change our culture of the way we do things around here. We got a few that arenít doing what they need to do.

This late in the season. If we still have players that arenít buying in and giving their all. Those players SHOULD NOT BE PLAYING. And if they are that is on this staff to get it straightened out no matter the limitations.

I want guys to give their all for their teammates and if you donít have that these are the results.

Still hoping we can steal one more game
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Post by: DerekOxford on October 28, 2018, 09:05:18 am
Two things can be true:

1) that Chad Morris and his staff were not ready for the rigors of coaching at this level (most of them have been at either high schools or at small D1s) and that is why you are seeing some of the stuff you have seen this season.

2) that Chad Morris may be a master chef but right now he is working with Hamburger Helper and until he gets some actual cuisine to work with (recruits) it's going to be pretty bland and not taste very good.

The defensive talent has to get better. No excuse to let Vandy run the ball at will on you and screen you to death. I think John Chavis is still a great defensive coordinator but he's got to have players.
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Post by: Valleysports on October 28, 2018, 10:33:56 am
2) that Chad Morris may be a master chef but right now he is working with Hamburger Helper and until he gets some actual cuisine to work with (recruits) it's going to be pretty bland and not taste very good.

I think John Chavis is still a great defensive coordinator but he's got to have players.

Lets go with #2.  You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear! 
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 28, 2018, 03:32:42 pm
What does the staff have to do with Ty Storey throwing pass after pass thatís batted down at the LOS?

What does the coaching staff have to do with ty Storey overthrowing a wide open Jordan Jones?

What does the coach staff have to do with our defensive line getting manhandled?

What does the coaching staff have to do with as soon as greenlaw goes out, the wheels fall off the defense?

What does the coaching staff have to do with Santos Ramirez taking bad angle after bad angle and ripping the ball instead of tackling?

Some of you people are unbelievable. Get used to it, find another team, or get behind this man. Youíre delusional perception of Arkansas being this magical destination job that should be able to attract anyone is dung. We had our chance. No Malzahn. No Norvell. No Gundy. No Kiffen. No Bob Stoops. And look what we landed. Arkansas is a mid level program that will always be mid level. Iím 33 and this is the revolving door of my life as a hog fan. Nothing new. Nothing changed.

Oh wait 1964. Big whoop. That was in a day when your offense line was slap full of 5í11 guys. Those days are over and are a joke compared to todayís landscape.

If coaches have nothing to do with a player or a team that plays badly, then exactly what does a coach do during practice and developmental time for a player.  Coaches, coach, teach, develop and correct bad play.  I'm not seeing a lot of that.

 I've heard a few claims that our recruiting classes were not as bad as some of our opponents, I think that's probably correct and so we shouldn't lose to teams we have better talent than even with a new coaching staff.  I think we should have won at least 4 by now based on what I know and what I have seen in the past.  I blame players for a lot of it but I don't think we are getting great preparation either.
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Post by: HorseFeathers on October 28, 2018, 03:58:35 pm
Morris sure has had a real big hand in developing those last 4 recruiting classes that are currently on the field... 🤦 I won't argue preparation though...
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Post by: sportsguy80 on October 28, 2018, 04:12:49 pm
Iíll add that I too think the SEC was more than Morris expected. Hate going back to him attending his sonís game in Dallas instead of preparing (coaches have to prepare too on last minute adjustments). You can just look at his facial expressions after games and during press conferences that heís a bit shocked on the work that needs to be done. Recruiting is looking very bright probably the only thing that is at this time but the development of current players and coaching staff has got to improve drastically in order to move forward.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 28, 2018, 04:17:40 pm
If coaches have nothing to do with a player or a team that plays badly, then exactly what does a coach do during practice and developmental time for a player.  Coaches, coach, teach, develop and correct bad play.  I'm not seeing a lot of that.

 I've heard a few claims that our recruiting classes were not as bad as some of our opponents, I think that's probably correct and so we shouldn't lose to teams we have better talent than even with a new coaching staff.  I think we should have won at least 4 by now based on what I know and what I have seen in the past.  I blame players for a lot of it but I don't think we are getting great preparation either.

You can tell santos Ramirez and coach him every single day 24/7 to take better angles and get into better position but he is not talented enough to cover the field east to west north to south. Itís evident.

Coaching cannot fix that. I donít care how much preparation goes into it.
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Post by: beach bum on October 28, 2018, 06:52:04 pm
I don't blame the mediocre coach we have... i blame the university big wigs for being dumb enough to hire him and not even give Mike Leach a call.  I am sorry but these next two years will be the easiest schedules we have for maybe another 10-15 years. A good coach would beat the four non power 5's we played plus win two SEC games out of Vandy, Ole Miss, and Mizzou. Not getting to 6-6 with this schedule shows you how this guy can't manage a game combined with the lack of talent. I can not believe we are worse than programs like Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Kansas,  Duke, and Syracuse this season.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 28, 2018, 07:04:53 pm
I don't blame the mediocre coach we have... i blame the university big wigs for being dumb enough to hire him and not even give Mike Leach a call.  I am sorry but these next two years will be the easiest schedules we have for maybe another 10-15 years. A good coach would beat the four non power 5's we played plus win two SEC games out of Vandy, Ole Miss, and Mizzou. Not getting to 6-6 with this schedule shows you how this guy can't manage a game combined with the lack of talent. I can not believe we are worse than programs like Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Kansas,  Duke, and Syracuse this season.

We will never hire another big time coach that will ďpass frankís legacyĒ in wins.

Frank family and his group that is still around is one of the biggest issues with Arkansas football.
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Post by: Valleysports on October 28, 2018, 08:09:56 pm
You can tell santos Ramirez and coach him every single day 24/7 to take better angles and get into better position but he is not talented enough to cover the field east to west north to south. Itís evident.

Coaching cannot fix that. I donít care how much preparation goes into it.

I think Morris IS coaching these players up.  They've out performed my expectations.  He needs to be on "Americas Worst Jobs". 
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Post by: HorseFeathers on October 28, 2018, 09:19:11 pm
I think folks forget how bad these guys played in the system they supposedly fit last year..
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Post by: AirWarren on October 28, 2018, 10:41:30 pm
I think Morris IS coaching these players up.  They've out performed my expectations.  He needs to be on "Americas Worst Jobs". 

Thatís the thing. He is coaching them. But they are not sec level talent.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 28, 2018, 10:42:15 pm
I think folks forget how bad these guys played in the system they supposedly fit last year..

Yup. This is a horrid roster. Belichek couldnít fix this.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 28, 2018, 11:42:31 pm
I might be giving the man too much blame but some of you guys are giving him way too little.  He's in charge and how we play is largely on him, as well as improvement we make or don't make.  I agree with some posts I've seen about his being a bit lost at how things are going and what to do to fix it.  I'd say that most likely applies to the staff as well.  You simply cannot say he has no fault in the abysmal showing of the team this season. 
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 28, 2018, 11:44:24 pm
On another note, CCM's statement to players that we were "the better team"  is really another sign of where we are in terms of leadership and recognizing where we are.  We clearly were not the better team and proof is in the score, again.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 29, 2018, 12:30:45 am
I think folks forget how bad these guys played in the system they supposedly fit last year..

Don't forget they won 4 games last year with that coach that you guys think sucked.  And don't give me the they don't fit this system, then adapt to what you have and tweak what you can.  If CM is a better coach than what we had then I expect results at least as good as the previous coach, you know since we have the petal down and in the left lane and all. 
At some point you look at the coaching and preparation, the rest of the staff. Maybe its youthful inexperience?
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Post by: AirWarren on October 29, 2018, 08:05:46 am
Don't forget they won 4 games last year with that coach that you guys think sucked.  And don't give me the they don't fit this system, then adapt to what you have and tweak what you can.  If CM is a better coach than what we had then I expect results at least as good as the previous coach, you know since we have the petal down and in the left lane and all. 
At some point you look at the coaching and preparation, the rest of the staff. Maybe its youthful inexperience?

We also had a quarterback last year, sadly. As bad as Austin was, he and Brandon were light years ahead of any of the quarterbacks we have on the roster.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 29, 2018, 09:50:36 am
It's called "coaching em up".  If your QB isn't as good as you would like then don't throw 36 times and run less.  Tweak the game plan to do things your players can handle and work on that execution even if it means not being able to run what you did somewhere else.  Name of the game is find a way to win. 
This is about results, the sooner the better.  From the looks of things we need better players, better coached players and better coaches and strategy.  IMO!    If this is the guy to lead that then he needs to reevaluate whats happening right now and do something to fix it.  If he has players on the field than can't or won't do what he and his staff are trying to teach, change players, play some of the young guys and get the dead wood off the field. 
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Post by: AirWarren on October 29, 2018, 09:54:54 am
It's called "coaching em up".  If your QB isn't as good as you would like then don't throw 36 times and run less.  Tweak the game plan to do things your players can handle and work on that execution even if it means not being able to run what you did somewhere else.  Name of the game is find a way to win. 
This is about results, the sooner the better.  From the looks of things we need better players, better coached players and better coaches and strategy.  IMO!    If this is the guy to lead that then he needs to reevaluate whats happening right now and do something to fix it.  If he has players on the field than can't or won't do what he and his staff are trying to teach, change players, play some of the young guys and get the dead wood off the field. 

Lol.

Run more? Boyd is exhausted. He is not in sec shape yet. And he is still a threat! And the backups, are nowhere near his talent. We saw what happened when Boyd left the ole miss game. Running game went south. The game plan has been tweaked already. Look at how much CJ is touching the ball. TE play was nonexistent at the beginning of the year. Screens, non existent. Problem is our bone head qb canít throw over sec defenses and the running backs canít catch out of the backfield. Players are being overthrown on deep routes. Players dropping passes. Passes being thrown behind the WR on cross patterns over and over. But coach em up....fix it overnight. Ty has been in a sec system for 4 years now. There is no coaching this up. This is a talent deficiency.

If you canít see that these kids arenít sec material then I canít help you. You can only ďcoach em upĒ so much.

If it quacks like a duck. Itís a duck. And these players are lame ducks.


I love how some of you think coaching em up better is the magic fixer. There is a reason these big name coaches stayed away from this program and roster. Give the man more than 10 months before ridiculous claims of no coaching is being thrown out. This program is a dumpster fire joke right now with half the roster praying for the season to end.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 29, 2018, 10:34:47 am
Look at the offensive line. Coach fry is COACHING EM UP and itís evident. They have played better at o line than they have for the past two years. Run blocking is good and pass pro looks better until Ty holds the ball too long(WR canít get open) and he gets sacked.

Why is it better with ďcoach em upĒ? Because we actually have some offensive linemen that have quality talent AND the coach knew how to position his line up. Coachin em up is a two way street.  If your coaching The Little Giants, it doesnít make a squat how good the coaching is. It took a few games, but the offensive line had looked leap years ahead of what it has looked.

People complain about o line depth, but Iíve been saying all along that what we have is going to do well in this system. They have possibly been the best unit on this team besides rakeem Boyd.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 29, 2018, 11:47:17 am
There was enough talent left here to win the OOC games. Period.

Morris coaching decisions have cost us 2 games. CSU and OM. Did the same thing the last guy did.

Quit trying to not lose and go win the darn game.

And if Santos canít accept the coaching or do what needs to be done. Then someone else needs to be in. Thatís a coaching decision.

Morris will get his chance but heís got some things to work on to
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Post by: bleudog on October 29, 2018, 02:08:17 pm
I was watching the LA Tech @ FAU game Friday night and Rafe Peavey was the starter due to Lane Kiffin's regular starter being banged up.

They mentioned Peavey came to FAU from Arkansas by way of SMU. 

I assume Morris had something to do with Peavey's choice of going to then leaving SMU.

Kind of a small world, ain't it?
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 29, 2018, 04:33:41 pm
Coaching is what they do!  And your explanation makes no logical sense.  You say the QB cannot throw over the defense, but you say Boyd is tired but he can't run more even thought he's the best thing in the offense.  We cannot run any more than we are doing, we cannot pass, we even pass too much,   Well what does that leave when we have the ball?  Somebody has to run it or throw it.   Well svengalli what is your solution.  You keep defending losing and poor performance, what is your answer.  Not get better talent through recruiting, that can't happen between now and the next 3 games.  What's the solution to get us better to give us a chance to win with what we have.  That is what CM and his staff were hired to do.   Make us better, we are not better, we are still losing games that a large portion of fans and so called experts predicted to be wins.  We are losing when we have leads, we are losing to teams that are not better physically.  We are bad from top to bottom and I want a coach to fix the issues so on game day we have a win at the end of the game.  Morris is lost.  Poor game plans and poor execution, and from the looks of it no answers.  Oh, but it's ok because he doesn't have anything to work with.   Well that's when real coaching has to get done.  Anybody can win with great talent and you don't always have it, and you don't always have better talent than who you play.   So what happens for the rest of CM's tenure?  Every time we are not clearly the superior physically blessed team we should expect to lose?   
I said before, I may be too harsh in my criticism but you give the guy a 3.5million dollar pass.
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Post by: High Voltage on October 29, 2018, 05:35:08 pm
Bottom line to this point is, we have been sold a bill of goods. What choices did we have last year? Nobody on here knows but common sense at some point has to set in. Lane Kiffin, if you people think he would rather be at FAU than at an SEC school you are nuts and need medical attention. Mike Leach said publicly that he would like to try his system in the SEC when the Arkansas and Tennessee jobs were open. Let's face it, We hired a high school football coach. If we were gonna do that then hire Rick Jones or Kevin Kelly. This job was a dumpster fire when CCM took it. No doubt, can't question that but he still has 3 and 4 star players. It IS the coaches job to develop players.When you walk in here and run your mouth about how the vehicle will be in the left lane with the hammer down then you better deliver. 4th and short when your team is losing games and has no chance at a bowl game and not going for it is not hammer down. CCM is in a 1969 VW Bug broke down on the shoulder. Just tell us the truth about your system! Take some chances. If he would take chances and have the hammer down, win or lose I am on board. He has made some terrible in game decisions. Saying our QB sucks and we only have one RB is total crap. Ty was a 4 star, he just hasn't had a good coach and it will take time. He has made progress as have the O-line. Recruiting is going great but I don't care if you have a team of 5 Stars if you can't coach during the game then it won't matter.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 29, 2018, 06:58:10 pm
Coaching is what they do!  And your explanation makes no logical sense.  You say the QB cannot throw over the defense, but you say Boyd is tired but he can't run more even thought he's the best thing in the offense.  We cannot run any more than we are doing, we cannot pass, we even pass too much,   Well what does that leave when we have the ball?  Somebody has to run it or throw it.   Well svengalli what is your solution.  You keep defending losing and poor performance, what is your answer.  Not get better talent through recruiting, that can't happen between now and the next 3 games.  What's the solution to get us better to give us a chance to win with what we have.  That is what CM and his staff were hired to do.   Make us better, we are not better, we are still losing games that a large portion of fans and so called experts predicted to be wins.  We are losing when we have leads, we are losing to teams that are not better physically.  We are bad from top to bottom and I want a coach to fix the issues so on game day we have a win at the end of the game.  Morris is lost.  Poor game plans and poor execution, and from the looks of it no answers.  Oh, but it's ok because he doesn't have anything to work with.   Well that's when real coaching has to get done.  Anybody can win with great talent and you don't always have it, and you don't always have better talent than who you play.   So what happens for the rest of CM's tenure?  Every time we are not clearly the superior physically blessed team we should expect to lose?   
I said before, I may be too harsh in my criticism but you give the guy a 3.5million dollar pass.

Dude. We have been mediocre bull crap for 28 years of the 33 Iíve been on earth.

Nothing is going to change it.

Iím not defending Morris or the kids. Both suck bad If ask me. But you donít turn a 4 win jelly sandwich eating machine into a 9-10 win team in 10 months. Especially in the SEC.

Give the man some time. If he sucks. He sucks. We will fire him and hire the next Derek Dooley. We will be spoon fed the same BS that we have the location, facilities etc etc to HIRE ANY COACH IN AMERICA.....yet we had our chance and look where we are....a no name.

The revolving door of mediocrity continues to spin.

The good news is this great recruiting class he has assembled in 10 months is better than goof ball ever did while he was here. So evidently he has some clout as a coach if he is hauling in 4* players back to back to back. The players must not think anything of the ďhigh school coachĒ crap.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 29, 2018, 08:17:19 pm
Dude. We have been mediocre bull crap for 28 years of the 33 Iíve been on earth.

Nothing is going to change it.

Iím not defending Morris or the kids. Both suck bad If ask me. But you donít turn a 4 win jelly sandwich eating machine into a 9-10 win team in 10 months. Especially in the SEC.

Give the man some time. If he sucks. He sucks. We will fire him and hire the next Derek Dooley. We will be spoon fed the same BS that we have the location, facilities etc etc to HIRE ANY COACH IN AMERICA.....yet we had our chance and look where we are....a no name.

The revolving door of mediocrity continues to spin.

The good news is this great recruiting class he has assembled in 10 months is better than goof ball ever did while he was here. So evidently he has some clout as a coach if he is hauling in 4* players back to back to back. The players must not think anything of the ďhigh school coachĒ crap.

You should go back and reread some of your posts.  You definitely sound like the mans press agent most of the time.

No doubt this program has been bad for a long time, but that happens when you are not careful about who you hire to run the program. Like a lot of schools we talk prime rib and eat bologna.  You may get lucky with a wildcard hire but not very often.  UA should have gone after a proven commodity and put the money together to get them.. 
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Post by: AirWarren on October 29, 2018, 08:31:58 pm
You should go back and reread some of your posts.  You definitely sound like the mans press agent most of the time.

No doubt this program has been bad for a long time, but that happens when you are not careful about who you hire to run the program. Like a lot of schools we talk prime rib and eat bologna.  You may get lucky with a wildcard hire but not very often.  UA should have gone after a proven commodity and put the money together to get them.. 

Who were these proven commodities that were knocking down doors to get here?


***Cueing the "We have the money to throw to bring the best of the best in here if we wanted to"**


I wanted Bob Stoops or Mike Leach...both of which were pipe dreams.
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Post by: bigworm on October 29, 2018, 09:24:40 pm
Bring back Houston!!! 🤣😂  i just want to go in games and at least think we have a shot. Im not giving up on Morris at all. Im pretty sure in most of cases like ours it gets worse before it gets better.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 29, 2018, 09:34:56 pm
Who were these proven commodities that were knocking down doors to get here?


***Cueing the "We have the money to throw to bring the best of the best in here if we wanted to"**


I wanted Bob Stoops or Mike Leach...both of which were pipe dreams.


Leach made it known he wanted into the SEC, there were a couple other lesser names but with more HC experience and/or better record, Norvell at Memphis and Kiffen of course, also Charlie Strong, and Dave Doeren at NC were all in consideration, there were a few others not worth mentioning like Gus, because they were never going to come here.  But the others were condsidered pretty good possibilities.  I do know that among the ones consdidered, Morris had the worst ranking among current HC's in college ball .
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Post by: AirWarren on October 29, 2018, 10:28:35 pm
Leach wanted to come to the sec YET he chose to stay at Washington state. Washington state over Arkansas.

All speculation. If kiffen, Norvell wanted to come here they would be here. Kiffen opted to stay at some garbage Florida school over us. What does that tell you? Norvell at Memphis. Same thing.

Charlie strong sucks too. He couldnít win at Texas. TEXAS.

We got the one that wanted to come here. Might as well get behind him or get off the bus. Or be like me, apathetic to it all and just watch with zero investment emotionally.

Please provide the links to these coaches saying they wanted to come here or showed interest. The link canít be some Bo Mattingly or trey biddy/Danny west BS either.
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Post by: HorseFeathers on October 29, 2018, 10:34:32 pm
Apathetic.... The point where you go well that sucked(or a win)...but you realize it's not worth letting it wreck/make your week like a lot of call-in show fans...and/or social media fans.

I hit that point after I blew up on a co-worker who was only happy when the hogs lost lol...
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Post by: AirWarren on October 29, 2018, 10:42:28 pm
Apathetic.... The point where you go well that sucked(or a win)...but you realize it's not worth letting it wreck/make your week like a lot of call-in show fans...and/or social media fans.

I hit that point after I blew up on a co-worker who was only happy when the hogs lost lol...

Life is too short to get furious over a team that hangs its tradition on a ďtitleĒ from 1964.

I love the hogs. But they are what they are. And our fan base is delusional. Always can and should be doing better with coaching/winning...but still mediocre.

heck, most of our idiot fans want to run mike Anderson off. Look at his win record. And we want to run him off? Oh wait, Bill Self wants to be here.

Give me a break.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 30, 2018, 06:40:42 am
Well right now we arenít even mediocre. Letís at least get back to that.

This program is better than last in the SEC.

These last few years as a HOG fan have been tough ones. The only thing I had was I work with a bunch of Ole Miss fans. Even they ask me what is wrong with Arkansas when them and Vandy beat us.

The pros about Morris are his recruiting. Usually our best football comes when we recruited Texas good and have some good recruits in state. This is that year to pull those guys in. Itís still two years before those guys make any real impact one would think.

Until then Iíll b!$@? About the losses and take every win we can get. WPS
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 30, 2018, 11:04:49 am
LOL.  I'd love to give you all the links to anybody UA may have mentioned but to be honest I'm not going searching for all that.  It is my recollection that these guys were named in articles in the Democrat Gazette, (if I find that I'll post), but to say that they stayed at a worse school, well look at the records they have at those schools.   Those schools are currently doing better.  Yeah, UA is potentially a better job but why do you think people steer clear?  It's got issues.  Now, I don't know why they would not come or why UA would not offer the job, maybe money, maybe couldn't get what they wanted.  I know Leach is on a $4 million contract.  Did we not want to go that high, (don't think that would be it) but you never know.  We are in dept to BB. 
Bottom line is our selection is not looking good, it didn't look good when we made it.  Is Arkansas viewed by coaches as that bad a job?  Well judging from this season maybe. 
I know from talking to lots of folks, most are not impressed with the hire compared to coaches mentioned, and not impressed with the product at this point.  Right now enthusiam is way down and fixing it seems iffy.   
All hinges on getting some really great recruits, getting them on campus and developing them.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 30, 2018, 11:09:58 am
Here's an article with a few names believed to be in consideration.    Not the article I was looking for but work calls, I''ll look later.
   https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/new-arkansas-ad-expected-target-4-coaches-head-coaching-job/
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Post by: AirWarren on October 30, 2018, 11:12:51 am
YAHOO!, lol. What a source.

But hey.....Bill Self was coming here......as was Calipari.......then a 100  years ago it was Paul Bear Bryant that was in the running.....

The cycle continues of "we can land the big names" over and over.
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Post by: High Voltage on October 30, 2018, 11:15:05 am
Dude. We have been mediocre bull crap for 28 years of the 33 Iíve been on earth.

Nothing is going to change it.

Iím not defending Morris or the kids. Both suck bad If ask me. But you donít turn a 4 win jelly sandwich eating machine into a 9-10 win team in 10 months. Especially in the SEC.

Give the man some time. If he sucks. He sucks. We will fire him and hire the next Derek Dooley. We will be spoon fed the same BS that we have the location, facilities etc etc to HIRE ANY COACH IN AMERICA.....yet we had our chance and look where we are....a no name.

The revolving door of mediocrity continues to spin.

The good news is this great recruiting class he has assembled in 10 months is better than goof ball ever did while he was here. So evidently he has some clout as a coach if he is hauling in 4* players back to back to back. The players must not think anything of the ďhigh school coachĒ crap.
We have not been mediocre for the last 28 seasons. Petrino had us top 5 two years while he was here. Nutt took us to the SEC championship. Now, with Danny Ford we were totally mediocre.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 30, 2018, 11:18:03 am
Here is another with a good list of folks that were believed to be good fits.
 I know this only means somebody thought they were possibilities but this is where searches begin and also the media usually digs into sources for their story.  Another factor here is where Morris is listed on this list.

https://www.arkansasfight.com/2017/11/26/16699700/which-coaching-candidates-fit-the-arkansas-job
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Post by: AirWarren on October 30, 2018, 11:39:22 am
1985- 10-2
1986- 9-3
1987- 9-4
1988- 10-2
1989-10-2

^Frank Broyles and his minion's found a way to run this guy off. I was 4 when he left.

1990- 3-8
1991- 6-6
1992- 3-7-1
1993- 6-4-1
1994- 4-7
1995- 8-5
1996- 4-7
1997- 4-7
1998- 9-3
1999- 8-4
2000-6-6
2001- 7-5
2002- 9-5
2003- 9-4
2004- 5-6
2005- 4-7
2006- 10-4
2007- 8-4
2008- 5-7
2009- 8-5
2010- 10-3
2011- 11-2
2012- 4-8
2013- 3-9
2014- 7-6
2015- 8-5
2016- 7-6
2017- 4-8
2018- 2-7

Total-

221-178 with an AVG 7-5 record in the 33 years I've been on this earth. Average....mediocre...whatever you want to call it....that IS Arkansas Football.

Now, if you want to say we have had more than 5 good seasons in 33 years.....above average for us is 8 wins+ and that comes out to 16 seasons exceeding that.

Man, that just screams non mediocre. That doesn't even begin to get into the let down's that I have witnessed....SEC title games....watching Bret Bielema whack us in person in 2007 at the Capital one bowl....VA tech.....etc etc etc etc.
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Post by: High Voltage on October 30, 2018, 12:02:32 pm
1985- 10-2
1986- 9-3
1987- 9-4
1988- 10-2
1989-10-2

^Frank Broyles and his minion's found a way to run this guy off. I was 4 when he left.

1990- 3-8
1991- 6-6
1992- 3-7-1
1993- 6-4-1
1994- 4-7
1995- 8-5
1996- 4-7
1997- 4-7
1998- 9-3
1999- 8-4
2000-6-6
2001- 7-5
2002- 9-5
2003- 9-4
2004- 5-6
2005- 4-7
2006- 10-4
2007- 8-4
2008- 5-7
2009- 8-5
2010- 10-3
2011- 11-2
2012- 4-8
2013- 3-9
2014- 7-6
2015- 8-5
2016- 7-6
2017- 4-8
2018- 2-7

Total-

221-178 with an AVG 7-5 record in the 33 years I've been on this earth. Average....mediocre...whatever you want to call it....that IS Arkansas Football.

Now, if you want to say we have had more than 5 good seasons in 33 years.....above average for us is 8 wins+ and that comes out to 16 seasons exceeding that.

Man, that just screams non mediocre. That doesn't even begin to get into the let down's that I have witnessed....SEC title games....watching Bret Bielema whack us in person in 2007 at the Capital one bowl....VA tech.....etc etc etc etc.

Having those very good seasons means we CAN be good. So if you don't like Arkansas football find another team. I'm sure nobody on the hill cares what you think anyway so your whining and griping is doing no good!
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Post by: HorseFeathers on October 30, 2018, 12:03:44 pm
Shouldn't you be saying that about the people who are actually whining and calling for Morris to be fired? AW is just arguing the entitled attitude this fanbase has?
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Post by: High Voltage on October 30, 2018, 12:06:29 pm
Shouldn't you be saying that about the people who are actually whining and calling for Morris to be fired? AW is just arguing the entitled attitude this fanbase has?
Shouldn't you be saying that about the people who are actually whining and calling for Morris to be fired? AW is just arguing the entitled attitude this fanbase has?
Shouldn't you be saying that about the people who are actually whining and calling for Morris to be fired? AW is just arguing the entitled attitude this fanbase has?
No not really, he has griped about the coach as well.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 30, 2018, 01:02:18 pm
Shouldn't you be saying that about the people who are actually whining and calling for Morris to be fired? AW is just arguing the entitled attitude this fanbase has?

Thatís what they do. You bring facts to the table and they want to take their ball and run to the hill. And tell you to go find another team and tell you to stop griping. Thatís the entitled fan base mentality. I could care less what the hill thinks of me or my opinion. I just laid out 33 years of stats of mediocrity. They got bigger problems that a seark boy living in central Arkansas.

Iím probably one of the very few that hopes CM makes it. 
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Post by: AirWarren on October 30, 2018, 01:03:10 pm
No not really, he has griped about the coach as well.

Personally I like this coach. I think he is killing it in recruiting. Thatís the first step.


But by God I have to be careful saying it. Then youíll be labeled his personal press secretary.

Canít win with some of you.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 30, 2018, 01:18:32 pm
In the 124 years of our football history, the hogs have an average win total of around 6-4-3.


That is killing it let me tell you.
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Post by: High Voltage on October 30, 2018, 01:33:03 pm
Personally I like this coach. I think he is killing it in recruiting. Thatís the first step.


But by God I have to be careful saying it. Then youíll be labeled his personal press secretary.

Canít win with some of you.
Yeah, I can tell!
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Post by: bdubyab60 on October 30, 2018, 05:04:04 pm
Some think that being critical of the coach or even the play on the field means we are not behind the team. Itís just griping.

Only coach I really didnít care if he was too successful was JLS. He was just supposed to keep the ship afloat for a year. Well, smile.

I want Morris to succeed but if you donít think heís made some mistakes this season yiu are crazy. Heís done some good things and some bad things.

At the end of the day Morris can recruit his tail off all he wants. It has to to lead to success on the field. Thatís bottom line.

I think that any clear thinking person knows that this is going to take a few years. Two full recruiting cycles to turn over the roster. Then guys have to develop.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 30, 2018, 06:53:00 pm
Personally I like this coach. I think he is killing it in recruiting. Thatís the first step.


But by God I have to be careful saying it. Then youíll be labeled his personal press secretary.

Canít win with some of you.

LOL.  Hey dude, I was just trying to help you out.  I think the standard cut for the press secretary is 10%, that would earn you about $350,000.  And that's all the thanks I get. 
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Post by: gameoflife on October 30, 2018, 07:17:23 pm
One thing for sure, the UA hasn't ever been really good and may never be.  Mediocre is what it averages, in between the occassional good year and the often bad ones.  That 1964 title is 54 years ago, long time to cling to it.  Of course we got that after the season vote and we were not the national champs.  That team lost its bowl game and then in the popular vote after bowl games there was a 3 way tie.  some title. 

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Post by: beach bum on October 30, 2018, 07:44:16 pm
Here's an article with a few names believed to be in consideration.    Not the article I was looking for but work calls, I''ll look later.
   https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/new-arkansas-ad-expected-target-4-coaches-head-coaching-job/


All three were better choses than the guy we got.... Too much used car salesmen in Chad Morris for me to ever like the guy. I don't know how he is getting all these recruits cause I can read right through his used car salesman stuff. I swear in the Vandy game when Derek Mason talked it sounded like a human being with real emotions and you can tell by the way his players love him. Our coach sounds like he is just spewing off what he practiced saying in the mirror for 2 straight days.
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Post by: gameoflife on October 30, 2018, 07:55:43 pm
Used care salesman, funny.  But you are kinda correct in how he comes off.
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Post by: beach bum on October 30, 2018, 08:00:04 pm
Used care salesman, funny.  But you are kinda correct in how he comes off.


I am not sure what to pinpoint, but he seems so robotic and not genuine. I'd rather have a guy who shows the emotion when its going good or bad. A guy like Mike Leach does not really show emotion, but he is genuine and speaks his mind, maybe even to a fault.
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Post by: gameoflife on October 30, 2018, 08:17:53 pm

I am not sure what to pinpoint, but he seems so robotic and not genuine. I'd rather have a guy who shows the emotion when its going good or bad. A guy like Mike Leach does not really show emotion, but he is genuine and speaks his mind, maybe even to a fault.

Yeah, theres a genuineness that you don't seem to get.  Rather have that guy that speaks his mind even if a bit too much, I know a few guys like that and I always appreciate the honesty.
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Post by: AirWarren on October 30, 2018, 08:47:14 pm
LOL.  Hey dude, I was just trying to help you out.  I think the standard cut for the press secretary is 10%, that would earn you about $350,000.  And that's all the thanks I get. 

Couldnít pay me to be anyoneís press secretary lol
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on October 31, 2018, 01:32:55 pm
Heard some more of the media saying we have a shot at winning 1-3 of the games left.  Man I need some of that koolaid for my Halloween party, won't need costumes because with that stuff to drink we will all being seeing all kinds of wild things.
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Post by: RZback on October 31, 2018, 02:46:31 pm
For Arkansas to beat any of the next 3 they will have to make a remarkable turnaround.  Can't see it muself but if it does turn it will not be LSU, too much defense.  State or Missouri seem to be struggling a bit at this point and would be the more likely upset win for the hogs, but odds are still against us.

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Post by: AirWarren on October 31, 2018, 03:33:50 pm
Coach Morris said he ďintendsĒ on playing more Freshman.

Some of you may get what you want. Time to prepare for the future, while getting their teeth kicked in during the process.
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Post by: bleudog on October 31, 2018, 04:11:06 pm
Coach Morris said he ďintendsĒ on playing more Freshman.

Some of you may get what you want. Time to prepare for the future, while getting their teeth kicked in during the process.

Three games left. Twenty or greater point dogs in those games.  Let'um play.  With the new NCAA rules, it's like they never touched the field.
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Post by: RZback on October 31, 2018, 04:55:48 pm
Coach Morris said he ďintendsĒ on playing more Freshman.

Some of you may get what you want. Time to prepare for the future, while getting their teeth kicked in during the process.

Odds are the Hogs lose those games by a bunch, so letting the Freshmen play only means maybe we see better effort and somebody who acts like they give a hoot.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 01, 2018, 11:21:32 am
Morris needs to talk honestly to the fan base about the shape of the program.  Where we are, what we can expect and what he plans to do about fixing the problems.  The left lane, pedal down might have sounded great in getting him hired but its been a disaster as a PR campaign. 
If he intends to play freshman, which is almost always a bad way to win games, could be a positive if he communicates it well as a plan for the future.  He isn't a very good communicator.
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on November 01, 2018, 12:09:08 pm
So what happens if Hogs lose the next 3?  I know we are not changing coaches, so I'm not talking about that.  Morris comes out with a list of recruits, then on signing day we see where we stand.  Spring ball and we see how much improvement, then opening of fall practice and how much improvement.  Consequently the real test will be next season.   How many games will we win and how many will be considered a real improvement. 4,5,6,7?  How many should we win next year?  How many will not be enough?
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 01, 2018, 01:07:13 pm
If we lose the next 3 which I predict we will, it will be the worst of worst situations at UA. Worse record since 1932 I believe. I'm thinking next season we have to find a way to get to 6-6 and bowl eligible to look like we are really making progress.  Only Danny Ford had a worse record in their second year since about 1950.
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Post by: AirWarren on November 01, 2018, 01:29:11 pm
So what happens if Hogs lose the next 3?  I know we are not changing coaches, so I'm not talking about that.  Morris comes out with a list of recruits, then on signing day we see where we stand.  Spring ball and we see how much improvement, then opening of fall practice and how much improvement.  Consequently the real test will be next season.   How many games will we win and how many will be considered a real improvement. 4,5,6,7?  How many should we win next year?  How many will not be enough?

Historically we average out to be a 6-4-3(W-L-T) team in our 124 years playing football. 

Might as well shoot and expect for somewhere around those numbers. Itís just the way it is.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 01, 2018, 02:42:15 pm
Historically we average out to be a 6-4-3(W-L-T) team in our 124 years playing football. 

Might as well shoot and expect for somewhere around those numbers. Itís just the way it is.

Nothing to write home about is it.
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Post by: bleudog on November 01, 2018, 02:44:25 pm
At least there's a proceedure to play out ties these days.
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Post by: RZback on November 01, 2018, 03:07:15 pm
Just get this season over and see where we can go from here.  Been a real downer.
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Post by: AirWarren on November 01, 2018, 03:20:24 pm
Just get this season over and see where we can go from here.  Been a real downer.

This, lol.
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Post by: DerekOxford on November 01, 2018, 03:27:19 pm
2020 will be the first chance at significant improvement on both lines, which is how you win in this league.

2-10 this year, 3-9 or 4-8 next year.

Maybe 6-6 or 7-5 in 2020 if theyíre lucky, but that includes Notre Dame on the schedule and the SEC West doesnít look like itís getting worse any time soon.
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Post by: bleudog on November 01, 2018, 03:47:19 pm
ďAnd itís an agonizing reappraisal, said Dusty Rhodes, and heís the American Dream.Ē - Sea Level - "That's Your Secret"  (1977)  8)
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 02, 2018, 09:54:58 am
Nothing to write home about is it.
But we would take it right now
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Post by: bleudog on November 02, 2018, 07:20:41 pm
Can history repeat itself?

http://www.rockcitytimes.com/arkansas-razorbacks-stunned-51-14-loss-bye-week/
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Post by: bigworm on November 03, 2018, 01:09:01 am
Can history repeat itself?

http://www.rockcitytimes.com/arkansas-razorbacks-stunned-51-14-loss-bye-week/

Surely we wont have 6 ints. I just hope we can keep it respectable. 🤣😂
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Post by: RZback on November 03, 2018, 03:34:28 pm
I'm really worried about trick plays on special teams. 
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Post by: GettingStarted on November 03, 2018, 08:14:54 pm
If kids will go to starkville they will go to fayetteville. Winnin cures lots of problems.

Not sure Starkville is the measuring stick you want if you are Arkansas.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Valleysports on November 04, 2018, 10:51:46 am
Morris needs to talk honestly to the fan base about the shape of the program.  Where we are, what we can expect and what he plans to do about fixing the problems.  The left lane, pedal down might have sounded great in getting him hired but its been a disaster as a PR campaign. 
If he intends to play freshman, which is almost always a bad way to win games, could be a positive if he communicates it well as a plan for the future.  He isn't a very good communicator.

Dear Footballfan-tastic, where to begin? The program is not SEC competitive and we don't have many SEC Caliber players.  I'm going to do my best, but it certainly isn't going to happen in a year or two.  My gosh how could y'all let this program get in such bad shape.

Dear 5 star recruit, Arkansas is awesome.  We are sitting on the edge of being an SEC Championship Contender.  Don't go to Alabama, LSU, A&M, Auburn, Georgia, come to Fayetteville and play for a quality program on the rise.         
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Post by: RZback on November 04, 2018, 11:03:56 am
Dear Footballfan-tastic, where to begin? The program is not SEC competitive and we don't have many SEC Caliber players.  I'm going to do my best, but it certainly isn't going to happen in a year or two.  My gosh how could y'all let this program get in such bad shape.

Dear 5 star recruit, Arkansas is awesome.  We are sitting on the edge of being an SEC Championship Contender.  Don't go to Alabama, LSU, A&M, Auburn, Georgia, come to Fayetteville and play for a quality program on the rise.         

LOL!!  Thats really funny stuff right there.  I'm sure the phones are ringing off the hook now with recruits at those schools decommitting and calling CM.
You got the we are not a SEC caliber program right in your first paragraph but sitting on the edge of an SEC Championship Contender, well keep stirring the Kool Aid.
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Post by: AirWarren on November 04, 2018, 06:52:20 pm
Dear Footballfan-tastic, where to begin? The program is not SEC competitive and we don't have many SEC Caliber players.  I'm going to do my best, but it certainly isn't going to happen in a year or two.  My gosh how could y'all let this program get in such bad shape.

Dear 5 star recruit, Arkansas is awesome.  We are sitting on the edge of being an SEC Championship Contender.  Don't go to Alabama, LSU, A&M, Auburn, Georgia, come to Fayetteville and play for a quality program on the rise.         

ďCome to Fayetteville, we can get you season passes to silver dollar city...Ē
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Post by: RZback on November 05, 2018, 08:49:06 pm
Come to Fayetteville, you can ride in the left lane with the pedal down as the wrecker hauls you to the garage.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on November 05, 2018, 10:23:40 pm
Come to Fayetteville, you can ride in the left lane with the pedal down as the wrecker hauls you to the garage.

Since 1964.....
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on November 09, 2018, 11:58:09 am
What is the prediction for tomorrow night?  LSU defense is very stiff.
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Post by: AirWarren on November 09, 2018, 01:16:33 pm
What is the prediction for tomorrow night?  LSU defense is very stiff.

Hopefully stiff as in frozen to death. I think the letdown/beatdown from last week will play into our favor some. We HAVE TO stop the run and get to Burrows. IF we can remotely keep it close, we will have a chance. Small chance.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 09, 2018, 01:32:40 pm
Hopefully stiff as in frozen to death. I think the letdown/beatdown from last week will play into our favor some. We HAVE TO stop the run and get to Burrows. IF we can remotely keep it close, we will have a chance. Small chance.
Judging from how we have played, is there any real chance of getting this done.  Yes, I know it's football and anything is possible, but really what are the chances of a win. I just don't see our offense able to move the ball much on LSU.
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Post by: HorseFeathers on November 10, 2018, 07:12:44 pm
Why'd you tell me that Bdub, I had an excuse to not watch the game 😂
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 10, 2018, 07:15:53 pm
Sorry man. Iím a glutton for punishment as well
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 10, 2018, 07:17:07 pm
If the offense will do something this might be a game
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 10, 2018, 07:34:44 pm
Why why why why why do we continue to do such stupid penalties. Was about to be third and long and now a first down. So stupid
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 10, 2018, 07:53:09 pm
That play there just sums up this year
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Post by: HorseFeathers on November 10, 2018, 08:11:34 pm
If we had even an average offense we'd be a 6-8 win team I think....
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 10, 2018, 08:18:41 pm
Yep.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 10, 2018, 08:22:56 pm
Itís very inconsistent. Itís one thing though for the defense to make a play and stop you. But we literally stop ourselves with the stupidest plays. Even to the point of tackling our own players
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Post by: HorseFeathers on November 10, 2018, 08:33:24 pm
Maybe it's the Bielema effect....maybe it's this coaching staff....It's helped me that I considered this a lost season anyway
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 10, 2018, 08:37:41 pm
Iím just sitting here like meh now. I will keep my hopes in check next year as well
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Post by: bigworm on November 10, 2018, 08:55:04 pm
This crap is so not entertaining. Makes me want to puke. But for some reason i cant turn the channel.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: DerekOxford on November 10, 2018, 09:02:20 pm
Going to take at least 2-3 recruiting classes to even get competitive again.

If Chad Morris ever wins 7 regular season games here, I'll be shocked. I don't think he'll be given a fourth year if it's 2-10, 3-9, 5-7.

And that's not me taking shots at Chad Morris. I think he's a fine coach and man. Just the situation he and the program is in.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: HorseFeathers on November 11, 2018, 08:29:35 am
So what happened? I fell asleep it was 24-3, and I see we lost 24-17?
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 11, 2018, 08:43:33 am
I did the same thing HF. It just goes to inconsistency of this team and staff.

And look guys itís one thing to be bad. But comically bad is another thing. We now have plays 1 and 2 on worst plays of the year. Announcers making fun of us. Thatís what stings worse than a loss.

I would applaud the effort to stay in this game. But it really sounds like LSU let up or was fine with running clock. And the reason Iím not gonna is their first two scores. Especially the second, just go back and watch our DBs or even the entire team on that play.

And Iím in the same boat with DO but I think Morris will get 5-6 years if the wins are going up. Unless we continue to have these boneheaded plays. Cause I can just about guarantee that crap happens in practice as well.
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Post by: HorseFeathers on November 11, 2018, 09:01:30 am
There's always next year....oh crap
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Post by: Valleysports on November 11, 2018, 10:02:22 am
Morris is driving a mini-van in the Daytona 500..  I see considerable improvement, but also see the serious limitations.  It takes athletes to run the pedal down, left lane, creative offensive plays some of you are looking for.  If Morris can actually upgrade this team to 4 star, over the next couple years, positive things could happen.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 11, 2018, 10:21:46 am
Yiu donít have to have superstars to not tackle each other in the backfield and to look like a prepared football team.

Right now Iíd take that. Just a fairly clean game where we look like we have played footballs before
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on November 11, 2018, 10:54:55 am
Another bad game with bad offense and defense.  91 Total yards through 3 quarters.   Obvously LSU let the foot off the gas and moved over to the right lane in the 4th.  Anybody who doesn't think they could have scored at the end to make it 31 is kidding themselves.  Look at LSU's last drive, the RB isn't tackled, he is going down with little resistance.  I think it was LSU running out the clock, they didn't even take a last play from the 1 when they clearly had time.  They were satisfied with the win.
16 rushing yards on 19 attempts, no running game and except for a few late game heroics not enough offense for any good team. 
 Morris clearly has no control of the behavior of the players,  stupid penalties game after game and penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct because we scored and have to show out with endzone . Celebrations because we scored, losing but "look at Me"., We want to talk trash to other teams as if we are doing something in the game but we are getting killed.  I don't care much for trash talk but doing it when you are getting beaten is just ugly.
You cannot fix a team as bad as UA if you cannot control the conduct of the players.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Valleysports on November 11, 2018, 11:24:04 am
Discipline is easier when you have backup players.  Bench a few show-boats and you'll really be whining about the Hog Coach's inability to coach and recruit.  Hard to balance between whiny fans, attracting recruits, and actually putting an SEC Team on the field.  Do you see anything positive bduby60?  Anything since the North Texas game?  Next year should be a bit cleaner with some players having a year of Morris play calling, however hopefully there will be freshmen all over the field.   

Missouri is better than Vanderbilt - lol.
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Post by: RZback on November 11, 2018, 11:25:01 am
Another bad game with bad offense and defense.  91 Total yards through 3 quarters.   Obvously LSU let the foot off the gas and moved over to the right lane in the 4th.  Anybody who doesn't think they could have scored at the end to make it 31 is kidding themselves.  Look at LSU's last drive, the RB isn't tackled, he is going down with little resistance.  I think it was LSU running out the clock, they didn't even take a last play from the 1 when they clearly had time.  They were satisfied with the win.
16 rushing yards on 19 attempts, no running game and except for a few late game heroics not enough offense for any good team. 
 Morris clearly has no control of the behavior of the players,  stupid penalties game after game and penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct because we scored and have to show out with endzone . Celebrations because we scored, losing but "look at Me"., We want to talk trash to other teams as if we are doing something in the game but we are getting killed.  I don't care much for trash talk but doing it when you are getting beaten is just ugly.
You cannot fix a team as bad as UA if you cannot control the conduct of the players.

Sadly this is largely true. 
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Post by: gameoflife on November 11, 2018, 12:14:39 pm
Sadly this is largely true. 

Like they say, "you can't make this stuff up".
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 11, 2018, 12:53:06 pm
Discipline is easier when you have backup players.  Bench a few show-boats and you'll really be whining about the Hog Coach's inability to coach and recruit.  Hard to balance between whiny fans, attracting recruits, and actually putting an SEC Team on the field.  Do you see anything positive bduby60?  Anything since the North Texas game?  Next year should be a bit cleaner with some players having a year of Morris play calling, however hopefully there will be freshmen all over the field.   

Missouri is better than Vanderbilt - lol.
Of course there have been some positives. Very few though and I think that just about every time we do something positive we do something doubly ridiculous to over shadow the positive. To the point of laughable at times.

We will be 2-10 at years end. Worst season I can remember and itís not just wins and losses. It looked bad.

Now the recruiting is looking up. Does that help next year. Maybe a little but by and large the best players we will have will be freshman. Iím still not sold on the staff. I understand the limitations offensively. But coaching decisions cost us two games easily.

I expect the next two games to be blowouts. MSU is pretty good defensively and they have enough offense to shrewd us to bits. Missouri I wouldnít be surprised to see 300 to 400 yards of passing against us.

Iíll still watch though. Thatís what fans do right
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 11, 2018, 03:33:17 pm
At my mothers for Sunday dinner. She sees the play where we tackled each other in the backfield. She said did this really happen. I said yes. Her reply, thatís like something you would see pee wee kids do.
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Post by: Valleysports on November 11, 2018, 04:38:29 pm
haha and it was perfect - bam - like a 3 stooges skit.  Both fell backwards in sync..  Can't believe it's not #1 on highlights yet.  ;D 
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on November 11, 2018, 07:42:00 pm
Have to have control of how the players conduct themselves during the game as well as how they execute their offensive or defensive responsibility.  At this point we seem to have a lot of players that cannot do one or the other or both.  I think that part is a coaching issue.  If they don't do what they are taught then why are they on the field?
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Post by: AirWarren on November 11, 2018, 08:07:54 pm
Turned it off at half. Had a great day in the woods to come home to that game. 

We are now #10 in Nation in recruiting though.
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Post by: bleudog on November 11, 2018, 09:27:33 pm
At my mothers for Sunday dinner. She sees the play where we tackled each other in the backfield. She said did this really happen. I said yes. Her reply, thatís like something you would see pee wee kids do.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1061435952164429825
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 12, 2018, 06:29:12 am
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1061435952164429825
Oh thanks as if itís not scorched in to our minds lol
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 12, 2018, 06:32:00 am
haha and it was perfect - bam - like a 3 stooges skit.  Both fell backwards in sync..  Can't believe it's not #1 on highlights yet.  ;D
I kind of just shook my head as if like yiu cant make this ish up. Then that giggle folks do when things are just piling on.

Then just go so bored I fell asleep.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 12, 2018, 06:33:24 am
Turned it off at half. Had a great day in the woods to come home to that game. 

We are now #10 in Nation in recruiting though.
Ine of the few positives this year. Hopefully some real difference makers in this group and hopefully we get them to campus
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Post by: Valleysports on November 12, 2018, 12:00:23 pm
We are now #10 in Nation in recruiting though.

Are you kidding me - Hogs got Devin Bush!!!  How is this Morris guy landing this kind of talent?  I don't know who Devin Bush is other than being a 4 star corner back other schools wanted..  Congratulations
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Post by: AirWarren on November 12, 2018, 12:42:53 pm
Are you kidding me - Hogs got Devin Bush!!!  How is this Morris guy landing this kind of talent?  I don't know who Devin Bush is other than being a 4 star corner back other schools wanted..  Congratulations


Our current class commits are really helping to sell the program along with the staff.
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Post by: Trojanbird on November 12, 2018, 01:31:31 pm
If Morris can put together a couple of back to back classes like this, we will be back sooner than later!
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on November 14, 2018, 09:54:13 am
What class are all these commits?  I know he has been offering for future classes and not just 2019.  One thing for sure, if he can get them signed and in school, we will find out whether his critics are correct about his level of coaching ability. 
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 14, 2018, 02:40:16 pm
The commits are 2019.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 14, 2018, 07:57:33 pm
So up to a #10 recruiting class. Pretty good. Playing with a bunch of freshmen may not be as good as some will expect, may take a few classes like that to get in the hunt.
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Post by: DerekOxford on November 14, 2018, 10:50:32 pm
There is no guarantee that top 10 recruiting classes ensure that a team will become nationally relevant.

For example, in 2014, Tennessee had the No. 5 class in America and Texas A&M No. 6. Both coaches ended up being fired at the end of the 2017 season. That means those classes, as seniors, got their coach fired.

In Tennessee's case, it was just like Morris. His first full class after a year on the job. And Butch Jones had more of a track record than Morris has.
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Post by: High Voltage on November 15, 2018, 07:37:44 am
There is no guarantee that top 10 recruiting classes ensure that a team will become nationally relevant.

For example, in 2014, Tennessee had the No. 5 class in America and Texas A&M No. 6. Both coaches ended up being fired at the end of the 2017 season. That means those classes, as seniors, got their coach fired.

In Tennessee's case, it was just like Morris. His first full class after a year on the job. And Butch Jones had more of a track record than Morris has.
+1
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Post by: gameoflife on November 15, 2018, 02:51:28 pm
If the players are as good as touted and the team is terrible and the coach gets fired, that's the coaches fault or the players fault.  If he got talent and then didn't coach em well enough isn't that on him.  If he coaches hard and they are lazy, bad attitude, do nothings isn't that still on him for the bad evaluation of the players he recruitied?  Seems it falls on the coach at some level. 
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Post by: bigworm on November 15, 2018, 09:23:02 pm
If the players are as good as touted and the team is terrible and the coach gets fired, that's the coaches fault or the players fault.  If he got talent and then didn't coach em well enough isn't that on him.  If he coaches hard and they are lazy, bad attitude, do nothings isn't that still on him for the bad evaluation of the players he recruitied?  Seems it falls on the coach at some level.

Agreed
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 17, 2018, 09:41:46 am
What are the odds on a win in today's game? I believe they are the 6th best ranked defense in the nation.  What is the outlook for our offense? 
To save any chance of looking like the program is improving we need to win the last two games.  I don't see it happening and I think we are in for 3 years of struggle before we really begin to be competitive. 
Anybody think we will make quicker progress.
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Post by: bleudog on November 17, 2018, 10:45:57 am
What are the odds on a win in today's game? I believe they are the 6th best ranked defense in the nation.  What is the outlook for our offense? 
To save any chance of looking like the program is improving we need to win the last two games.  I don't see it happening and I think we are in for 3 years of struggle before we really begin to be competitive. 
Anybody think we will make quicker progress.

https://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=316&s=300937
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 17, 2018, 11:56:58 am
7% and now about .00000000.0000001. Next week 9% until KO
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on November 17, 2018, 12:07:57 pm
The thing that upsets me the most about this season is the fact that we'll acknowledge the fact that we should try new options, yet do nothing that contributes to the development of the team
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 17, 2018, 12:57:34 pm
Pettway makes that good play then costs us a TD right after
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 17, 2018, 01:29:01 pm
I swear I could get open on our secondary. No clue who to cover
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Post by: The Future on November 17, 2018, 01:47:30 pm
I swear. Being a hog fan, you hurt to the point where you laugh at how bad we are, and then that makes you hurt again.
You then swear youíre done with it all.
Then the next weekend, there you are watching the game.

You can say what you want about the Hogs. But the fans are loyal to the point of being gluttons for punishment it seems.
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Post by: beach bum on November 17, 2018, 02:19:24 pm
Well at least we're improving as the season goes along  8) Ö.. And we're making lots of adjustments for the 2nd half to always look so good.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 17, 2018, 02:19:44 pm
Yep
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Post by: RZback on November 17, 2018, 06:07:19 pm
Oh guys. please tell me you are just joking.  Fans attending games is pitiful, about half what the stadium holds.  And I sure hope you were joking about making adjustments and getting better.
There is bad, worse, more worse and then somewhere way beyond that is Arkansas. 
The only hope we have is Morris is a miracle recruiter and all these kids show up and can really play and he can really coach, because right now it doesn't look too good. 
Another bad showing and dumb moves.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 17, 2018, 06:10:20 pm
Iíll watch again next week. Itís what fans do.

We will probably get blown out again and drop like our 5th or 6th straight against Missouri.

But Iíll watch and complain. WPS we are so bad
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Post by: beach bum on November 17, 2018, 06:45:41 pm
Oh yea I am totally joking..... And when people keep talking about our recruits I keep thinking in my mind well Florida, Georgia, Miss State, Auburn, LSU, Texas A&M, and Alabama are recruiting just as good or better so it does not assure anything really and they will maintain that level so we better do it on a year to year basis or we have no shot.


As for next year if he does not win 6 games that is pretty sad. It will be the second year in his system and the schedule is soft as tissue for one more year before it gets much harder in 2020. We play four non power 5's again for the last time. If he can't sweep Portland State, Colorado State, San Jose State, and Western Kentucky all being played in Fayetteville that is just awful. I never thought I would say this, but that is even easier than this years non conference. Throw in there is no way Kentucky will be that good again which is who we draw along with Mizzou from the East. The schedule is quite weird next year all together. Ole Miss and Kentucky are early in the year. If we can't be sitting at 4-2 or 5-2 early on its going to be ugly again. The second half of the year it gets tough. It may be an odd year where you don't really even no the true ability of the team until about after 8 games cause the odd schedule set up.

We may go 6-6 next year and I can already see people saying  "oh look we improved so much and might win 9 in 2020..... No way, we are still at least until 2021 until you can think about 8 or 9 wins. Anything less than 7-5 next year is not good enough with how easy a schedule we have in the non conference. So if we win 6 games should we all be excited about winning 2 out of 8 games against real competition? Of course we shouldn't....5-7 or 4-8 and CCM is showing his true colors already even just after 2 years.
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Post by: Valleysports on November 17, 2018, 07:25:27 pm
Is there a reason Arkansas should not be at the bottom of the SEC West?  An entitlement or participation award we haven't heard about.  Year after year of having bottom of the SEC West ranked recruit classes.  Arkansas is exactly what it recruited, about 3 star at this time.

A reference was made to Tenn, A&M, LSU, having higher ranked recruits yet their coaches were fired.  Those higher ranked classes (programs) left a foundation for the new coaches to work with.  What's A&M 7-4 in Jim Bob's first year?  LSU 9-2.  And these new coaches have the highest ranked teams, in all the land, for next year and there after. 

What has happened to make Hog Fans believe Arkansas should be an SEC West contender? 
   
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Post by: RZback on November 17, 2018, 09:36:06 pm
I saw a little of the Morris presser and it was again sad.  Man looks completely dumbfounded. 
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2018, 10:18:35 am
Is there a reason Arkansas should not be at the bottom of the SEC West?  An entitlement or participation award we haven't heard about.  Year after year of having bottom of the SEC West ranked recruit classes.  Arkansas is exactly what it recruited, about 3 star at this time.

A reference was made to Tenn, A&M, LSU, having higher ranked recruits yet their coaches were fired.  Those higher ranked classes (programs) left a foundation for the new coaches to work with.  What's A&M 7-4 in Jim Bob's first year?  LSU 9-2.  And these new coaches have the highest ranked teams, in all the land, for next year and there after. 

What has happened to make Hog Fans believe Arkansas should be an SEC West contender? 
   
Who in the heck has said contender? Heck we werenít this bad with the last guy. Shouldnít be getting blown out by non P5 schools.

Quit your dad gum A&M trolling. We know you have good recruiting classes Jeeesh.

We want to be better and not get freaking embarrassed every dang week. No matter the recruiting class you can give effort. You should see the video of one of our OL not even getting out of his stance until the QB is sacked. The. Just walks around. You donít have to be a highly ranked recruit to give effort and look like yiu have played football before. Heck I could have gotten open and caught a TD against our secondary yesterday.

Again no one here is expecting us to win every game. But it should not be this bad. 2 and freaking 10 with zero effort given. This program is better than that
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2018, 10:36:58 am
Oh yea I am totally joking..... And when people keep talking about our recruits I keep thinking in my mind well Florida, Georgia, Miss State, Auburn, LSU, Texas A&M, and Alabama are recruiting just as good or better so it does not assure anything really and they will maintain that level so we better do it on a year to year basis or we have no shot.


As for next year if he does not win 6 games that is pretty sad. It will be the second year in his system and the schedule is soft as tissue for one more year before it gets much harder in 2020. We play four non power 5's again for the last time. If he can't sweep Portland State, Colorado State, San Jose State, and Western Kentucky all being played in Fayetteville that is just awful. I never thought I would say this, but that is even easier than this years non conference. Throw in there is no way Kentucky will be that good again which is who we draw along with Mizzou from the East. The schedule is quite weird next year all together. Ole Miss and Kentucky are early in the year. If we can't be sitting at 4-2 or 5-2 early on its going to be ugly again. The second half of the year it gets tough. It may be an odd year where you don't really even no the true ability of the team until about after 8 games cause the odd schedule set up.

We may go 6-6 next year and I can already see people saying  "oh look we improved so much and might win 9 in 2020..... No way, we are still at least until 2021 until you can think about 8 or 9 wins. Anything less than 7-5 next year is not good enough with how easy a schedule we have in the non conference. So if we win 6 games should we all be excited about winning 2 out of 8 games against real competition? Of course we shouldn't....5-7 or 4-8 and CCM is showing his true colors already even just after 2 years.
I donít think we win 6 next year. After yesterday this team has quit for sure. I think Morris will recruit fine, had done better than we usually do. I just donít think he can coach. Any improvement has been completely washed away the past two weeks.

Effort requires heart and motivation. Morris has failed to push the right buttons. He keeps saying it week after week. But yet no changes made. When I see an OL just stand there and let the QB get killed. Not whiff but just stand there and he stays in the game thatís on the coach
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Trojanbird on November 18, 2018, 12:19:28 pm
Sometimes you just can't coach lazy!  If he has nothing better to put in the game, then he is just stuck.  I wonder how many scholarships won't get renewed?
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: game on on November 18, 2018, 12:48:00 pm
Program is really in bad shape. The talent level is obviously down but more than that there is not much motivation and the new staff has struggled to get the team to show improvement and do get them to play in a disciplined manner.  The likelihood of a 2-10 season is daunting and now the question must be answered, is the new head coach and staff capable of turning Arkansas football around?  I think the fan base is split right now with whether or not we have the right coach in place.  It's a given that Coach Morris stepped into a mess but right now it appears the problems are getting worse and he is having difficulty getting any improvement to stick. The program was bad when he took over but it appears to have gotten worse.  The improvement we need to see is in wins and losses. Next season his new recruits will have a huge task coming in and getting some real improvement made.  Last year Arkansas won 4 games under a guy we fired, we will probably win only 2 under the guy hired to fix it.  Next season we need a big jump in not just wins but some wins against a few more of the quality teams on this list.  Portland State,  Colorado State, San Jose State,  all should be easy home victories to give the home crowd, (which has to be revived after this season and the terrible attendance) at least 3 wins and some encouragement.  Ole Miss in game two will be an opportunity for a road win, not easy but possible.  Hog fans could see  4 wins before the schedule begins to toughen up.  At that point we might possibly suffer 5 straight losses, A&M, KY, Auburn, Alabama, Miss ST., followed by Western KY that should be another victory.  Close out the season with LSU and Missouri may be two losses but certainly depends on how much real progress the team can make.  Should be 4 wins if we don't get a win over Ole Miss,  5 victories if we beat Ole Miss.  So with competent play and coaching and a few breaks we need to come up with one more win to get bowl eligible. 
The number grows to 6 if we can beat KY which is sort of one dimensional and not likely to be as strong next season.
Date   Opponent
Aug. 31   Portland State
Sept. 7   at Ole Miss
Sept. 14   Colorado State
Sept. 21   San Jose State
Sept. 28   vs. Texas A&M (Arlington)
Oct. 12   at Kentucky
Oct. 19   Auburn
Oct. 26   at Alabama
Nov. 2   Mississippi State
Nov. 9   Western Kentucky
Nov. 23   at LSU
Nov. 30   Missouri (Little Rock)
Next season looks to be much like this season.  With another year of some soft opponents at home there will be opportunities for improvement that translate into wins.  We should be better in the new coaches second season and with new players signed we should see some more wins.  I'd say anything less than 4 is an absolute disaster with 4 being sort of a minimum.  Getting to 6 wins would be a big boost for fans because of the opportunity to get to a bowl game.  More wins and that would be a mark of improvement for sure and an indication that Morris is on the right road.  Maybe not the fast lane but at least pulling onto the hi-way.  Less than 6 wins and it will be better than this year but a disappointment none the less. 
 
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Post by: DerekOxford on November 18, 2018, 01:48:46 pm
Program is really in bad shape. The talent level is obviously down but more than that there is not much motivation and the new staff has struggled to get the team to show improvement and do get them to play in a disciplined manner.  The likelihood of a 2-10 season is daunting and now the question must be answered, is the new head coach and staff capable of turning Arkansas football around?  I think the fan base is split right now with whether or not we have the right coach in place.  It's a given that Coach Morris stepped into a mess but right now it appears the problems are getting worse and he is having difficulty getting any improvement to stick. The program was bad when he took over but it appears to have gotten worse.  The improvement we need to see is in wins and losses. Next season his new recruits will have a huge task coming in and getting some real improvement made.  Last year Arkansas won 4 games under a guy we fired, we will probably win only 2 under the guy hired to fix it.  Next season we need a big jump in not just wins but some wins against a few more of the quality teams on this list.  Portland State,  Colorado State, San Jose State,  all should be easy home victories to give the home crowd, (which has to be revived after this season and the terrible attendance) at least 3 wins and some encouragement.  Ole Miss in game two will be an opportunity for a road win, not easy but possible.  Hog fans could see  4 wins before the schedule begins to toughen up.  At that point we might possibly suffer 5 straight losses, A&M, KY, Auburn, Alabama, Miss ST., followed by Western KY that should be another victory.  Close out the season with LSU and Missouri may be two losses but certainly depends on how much real progress the team can make.  Should be 4 wins if we don't get a win over Ole Miss,  5 victories if we beat Ole Miss.  So with competent play and coaching and a few breaks we need to come up with one more win to get bowl eligible. 
The number grows to 6 if we can beat KY which is sort of one dimensional and not likely to be as strong next season.
Date   Opponent
Aug. 31   Portland State
Sept. 7   at Ole Miss
Sept. 14   Colorado State
Sept. 21   San Jose State
Sept. 28   vs. Texas A&M (Arlington)
Oct. 12   at Kentucky
Oct. 19   Auburn
Oct. 26   at Alabama
Nov. 2   Mississippi State
Nov. 9   Western Kentucky
Nov. 23   at LSU
Nov. 30   Missouri (Little Rock)
Next season looks to be much like this season.  With another year of some soft opponents at home there will be opportunities for improvement that translate into wins.  We should be better in the new coaches second season and with new players signed we should see some more wins.  I'd say anything less than 4 is an absolute disaster with 4 being sort of a minimum.  Getting to 6 wins would be a big boost for fans because of the opportunity to get to a bowl game.  More wins and that would be a mark of improvement for sure and an indication that Morris is on the right road.  Maybe not the fast lane but at least pulling onto the hi-way.  Less than 6 wins and it will be better than this year but a disappointment none the less.

3-9 very possible with that schedule next year. 4-8 more likely. 6-18 after two years isn't going to make anyone happy. 2020 will be even more difficult.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2018, 03:29:31 pm
Sometimes you just can't coach lazy!  If he has nothing better to put in the game, then he is just stuck.  I wonder how many scholarships won't get renewed?
Anything is better than a kid that doesnít even try.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: bdubyab60 on November 18, 2018, 03:32:13 pm
The one area we arenít getting better recruits in is OL. And the line we have now is not very good. Sure I like the highly rated class. But if this thing is gonna turn around the OL recruiting has got to improve along with the develope meant.

Took 10 games before we could snap the ball on a consistent basis.
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Post by: game on on November 18, 2018, 05:38:33 pm
If we only win 3 or 4 games that is, to quote a famous football coach, "unacceptable in every phase of the game, unacceptable coaching, unacceptable play, unacceptable effort". 
if we at 6-18 or worse after two seasons, we better punt.  I know some will defend Morris because of the caliber of players he inherited, but at some point he has to be responsible for their on the field performance and behavior.  Right now he is not getting favorable results.
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Post by: AirWarren on November 18, 2018, 05:51:53 pm
Opted to clean my gutters and burn leaves instead of watch them.

Turned out the leaf soot and gutter muck was better than the garbage the Razorbacks produced. 

Iím personally ready for football season to be over. Warren got outed this week. When Treylon went out, warren has been like a wounded deer running through the woods waiting to be finished. And they had their necks cut real quick Friday night. It was kind of a relief. Same with the hogs. Will just be nice to see it end.

Onward with hog hoops and soccer lol
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Post by: beach bum on November 18, 2018, 06:04:50 pm
Opted to clean my gutters and burn leaves instead of watch them.

Turned out the leaf soot and gutter muck was better than the garbage the Razorbacks produced.

LOL now that is funny...
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: beach bum on November 18, 2018, 06:06:53 pm
Program is really in bad shape. The talent level is obviously down but more than that there is not much motivation and the new staff has struggled to get the team to show improvement and do get them to play in a disciplined manner.  The likelihood of a 2-10 season is daunting and now the question must be answered, is the new head coach and staff capable of turning Arkansas football around?  I think the fan base is split right now with whether or not we have the right coach in place.  It's a given that Coach Morris stepped into a mess but right now it appears the problems are getting worse and he is having difficulty getting any improvement to stick. The program was bad when he took over but it appears to have gotten worse.  The improvement we need to see is in wins and losses. Next season his new recruits will have a huge task coming in and getting some real improvement made.  Last year Arkansas won 4 games under a guy we fired, we will probably win only 2 under the guy hired to fix it.  Next season we need a big jump in not just wins but some wins against a few more of the quality teams on this list.  Portland State,  Colorado State, San Jose State,  all should be easy home victories to give the home crowd, (which has to be revived after this season and the terrible attendance) at least 3 wins and some encouragement.  Ole Miss in game two will be an opportunity for a road win, not easy but possible.  Hog fans could see  4 wins before the schedule begins to toughen up.  At that point we might possibly suffer 5 straight losses, A&M, KY, Auburn, Alabama, Miss ST., followed by Western KY that should be another victory.  Close out the season with LSU and Missouri may be two losses but certainly depends on how much real progress the team can make.  Should be 4 wins if we don't get a win over Ole Miss,  5 victories if we beat Ole Miss.  So with competent play and coaching and a few breaks we need to come up with one more win to get bowl eligible. 
The number grows to 6 if we can beat KY which is sort of one dimensional and not likely to be as strong next season.
Date   Opponent
Aug. 31   Portland State
Sept. 7   at Ole Miss
Sept. 14   Colorado State
Sept. 21   San Jose State
Sept. 28   vs. Texas A&M (Arlington)
Oct. 12   at Kentucky
Oct. 19   Auburn
Oct. 26   at Alabama
Nov. 2   Mississippi State
Nov. 9   Western Kentucky
Nov. 23   at LSU
Nov. 30   Missouri (Little Rock)
Next season looks to be much like this season.  With another year of some soft opponents at home there will be opportunities for improvement that translate into wins.  We should be better in the new coaches second season and with new players signed we should see some more wins.  I'd say anything less than 4 is an absolute disaster with 4 being sort of a minimum.  Getting to 6 wins would be a big boost for fans because of the opportunity to get to a bowl game.  More wins and that would be a mark of improvement for sure and an indication that Morris is on the right road.  Maybe not the fast lane but at least pulling onto the hi-way.  Less than 6 wins and it will be better than this year but a disappointment none the less.

Really good assessment for sure overall..... And everyone in general making good points.
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Post by: AirWarren on November 18, 2018, 06:09:05 pm
LOL now that is funny...

Added to the post ha.
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Post by: Valleysports on November 18, 2018, 08:19:12 pm
Quit your dad gum A&M trolling. We know you have good recruiting classes Jeeesh.

Chill your radical butt out bubba!  You know I love the SEC, players, and programs of all teams.  It's hard not to be fascinated with A&M because they're in the same boat as Arkansas, 1st year coach and all, yet everything is so positive there.  What's the difference?  I asked (meant) what has Arkansas done, as a program in the last decade, to make them SEC worthy?
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Post by: High Voltage on November 19, 2018, 07:35:31 am
CCM can recruit, no doubt. But his in game decisions has me scratching my head at times. I just think he is in over his head.
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Post by: RZback on November 19, 2018, 03:52:02 pm
CCM can recruit, no doubt. But his in game decisions has me scratching my head at times. I just think he is in over his head.

He still has to get those recruits on campus and they have yet to sign on the dotted line.  Even if he gets them here, as of now he nor his staff is showing a lot in the way of coaching.  Something more than just talent seems to be wrong.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 19, 2018, 06:34:39 pm
Chill your radical butt out bubba!  You know I love the SEC, players, and programs of all teams.  It's hard not to be fascinated with A&M because they're in the same boat as Arkansas, 1st year coach and all, yet everything is so positive there.  What's the difference?  I asked (meant) what has Arkansas done, as a program in the last decade, to make them SEC worthy?
Well one guy proved it could be done. Heck even BB showed promise and then just gave up it seems. Which we see has passed on to this team. To Morris credit he took what was going to be an 80-100 rated class and got it in the 40s. A&M isnít in the same boat, especially over the last 2 years. Sumlin just could never get over the hump with his highly rated classes.

Even as bad as we have been we have pulled off some wins, but we looked liked we had played football before. These last three years we have looked like a bad high school team.

Most of us right now would settle for looking like a college team. And really worthy has nothing to do with it. This is the conference we are in. And Iím to the point to where if Ole Miss basically gets a slap on the wrist for what they did then the Hogs might as well go ahead and buy in too. Iím almost there.

I mean wouldnít a one year bowl ban be worth beating Bama twice in a row and what 20 something wins before Freeze got outed. And would still be there if not for using his work phone.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 19, 2018, 06:40:50 pm
He still has to get those recruits on campus and they have yet to sign on the dotted line.  Even if he gets them here, as of now he nor his staff is showing a lot in the way of coaching.  Something more than just talent seems to be wrong.
If you saw that video of the OL yiu would know whatís wrong. All the upperclassmen have checked out. Or at least most of them.

And that falls on him to keep them involve or bench them. I donít care if he has to put a RB at OL as long as the kid gives 100%.

If itís UNACCEPTABLE as he states in his presser, and heís said this several times. Then why have there been no changes. He has to know who is giving max effort. If he doesnít then he for sure is t the man for the job. He gets to see better film than we do.
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Post by: game on on November 19, 2018, 07:43:36 pm
Because its obviously not unacceptable.  They have been accepting it all season.  Bad play, dumb penalties, trash talk and celebration when you are getting beaten.   I still remember the speech CM gave about how they got to love on the kids to build them up.  Yeah, that worked.  More like they needed a foot in the rear.  Guys who quit do not need to be on the field at all, for any reason.   That type play causes injuries just as easy as a young player who is outmanned.  It's unacceptable that we are going to be 2-10 with a guy who is supposed to be driving down the fast lane.. Well he forgot to put gas in the car.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 19, 2018, 09:13:16 pm
Well he suspended two players for talking to cheerleaders during warm ups. Now will he bench the OL that didnít come out of his stance for 5 minutes.

And I agree. Morris needs to back his talk up. Completely different in presser than he was in the sideline Saturday
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Post by: Trojanbird on November 19, 2018, 09:24:43 pm
I'm still wondering how many scholarships will not be renewed after this year?  What do you think?
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Post by: JacketFan on November 19, 2018, 09:39:00 pm
I hears fans ask, what would Saban do to the two idiots trying to get numbers from chicks before the game.  Thats easy, players on Sabans team would never even think of doing stupid crap like that.  He creates a atmosphere of only accepting excellence on and off the field, anything less and there is consequences.  Ark players have no consequences, I applaud Morris for suspending them, but he would be further along in changing the players behavior if he done it on his first day.  These players have been lazy since BB was coaching.  There is zero discipline on that team, he needs to bench the entire team, and play all freshmen.  They will at least show some effort, our dang lineman have been standing there and watching our QB get killed all year long.  I for one am sickened by the state of the whole program.  This is the only time in 35 years of cheering on the Hogs that I am embarassed of calling them my team.  Heads need to roll, and consequences need to be laid out to all the slackers.  Clean the house please, fans will love you for it. 
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Post by: JacketFan on November 19, 2018, 09:40:47 pm
I'm still wondering how many scholarships will not be renewed after this year?  What do you think?
Keep Storey, dude earned his scholly by taking a beating all year, clear the rest of them out.
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Post by: game on on November 19, 2018, 11:08:34 pm
Storey is a back up next year most likely.  Nothing against him but we need a better playmaker.  As for CM, he has been way to soft and nice to guys that have not acted like they cared enough to get it done.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 20, 2018, 05:27:16 am
Any player that still wants to be here will be here. We only need a couple more to transfer to be able to reach the 29 number that they want to sign. We have had 4 already.

This could be an addition by subtraction thing. If the players donít want to be here then let them go. We need players that want to make this program better again.

As for the two suspended. They should have been focused on the game instead of pleasure time. If they do that and we win itís probably not noticed. Since we got skull drug it pretty much shows what their focus was on.

I am however more concerned about the OL just letting guys through on what seems like a really shady play. I donít know if he did it on purpose but it doesnít look good. And if it was done on purpose his scholarship should be pulled immediately. If it wasnít then some other measure should be taken, possibly suspension of playing time.
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Post by: Valleysports on November 20, 2018, 06:11:54 am
So let's say Arkansas gives you the keys Bubba, you're the new coach.  Now you have to direct the future instead of hindsite. What's your plan?  Tell us how you're going to turn the Hogs into a competitive SEC team?  Not trying to tip you over, just curious to see how different you'd be from Morris.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 20, 2018, 08:48:32 am
Seems pretty clear to me that there is a lack of discipline in the Razorback program.   You asked Valley how you fix Razorback football, you start with establishing discipline, until you have that you have nothing.   From the get go Morris has been too easy on the players int he program.  He should have established his position as the Big Boss and anybody who didn't toe the line was gonna be off the field or out the door.  This did not happen and I know it didn't because the same players have been cited over and over again for failing to follow rules, give effort and maintain self discipline during games.  When you tell you kids to be home by midnight and they come home at 3 in the morning and you say "Gee, I wish you hadn't done that, please don't do it again".   Well, we all know what happens next Friday night. 
It's taken Morris 11 games to appear to get angry at how his team, his coaches and even himself have conducted business.  I just don't think he has a clue as how to deal with it, certainly coming in he was lost.
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Post by: game on on November 20, 2018, 03:43:55 pm
What Morris should be and I imagine is, would be embarrassed.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 20, 2018, 04:45:11 pm
So let's say Arkansas gives you the keys Bubba, you're the new coach.  Now you have to direct the future instead of hindsite. What's your plan?  Tell us how you're going to turn the Hogs into a competitive SEC team?  Not trying to tip you over, just curious to see how different you'd be from Morris.
I would have won the CSU game. The numbers said punt. My eyes said our defense was folding I had no doubt once we punted that game was lost. Also wouldnt have brought 10 QBs to the ole Miss Game but all my healthy players that could help, we brought 4 RBs. 2 got hurt and one was already hurt.

With that said all these soft players from BB have to go. Looks like Morris has his eye on that. And maybe hes gonna cut some guys loose. Yes recruiting has to be better and consistent not just one good class. After watching Craddock yesterday in presser he needs to go. Guy has no confidence in what he is doing. Lazy playing, id rather get crushed with a freshman learning than an upperclassmen giving half rear effort.

Team needs to be built from the inside out. 2020 needs to be concentrated on stud OL. You cant do anything else on offense without.

1. Get rid of dead weight
2. Build from the inside out. On both sides. Walk ons and Jucos aren't going to turn the OL around. They are just a stop gap and maybe you hit on a guy. Its rare though.
3. Then speed, speed and more of it. We may be the slowest team in the SEC overall.
4. Show you can keep a QB upright and you can land a good one.
5. In handling any situation with players you need to be as fair and as consistent as you can be. But lets be real if you have a Tua that kid is gonna get some rope to swing on. We don't have a Tua so it should be easy to do. But I guarantee you we wouldn't be soft and not giving any effort.

There is no quick fix to this. We all know that.

Again Morris is gonna get his chance. I want him to succeed. If they can him I want the next guy to succeed. But I think with just about anyone else coaching this year even BB this team wins 4 games.

I tell you right now Id be the head coach for what I'm making now and travel expanses and what not. Wouldn't bother me a bit. Don't need a buyout either. Id get the best recruiters and coordinators I could get to come and they could have the millions. Then go from there.
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Post by: Valleysports on November 20, 2018, 05:24:17 pm
Oh good you have the same game plan a Morris..
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Post by: beach bum on November 20, 2018, 05:53:37 pm
Oh good you have the same game plan a Morris..


Morris's game plan will have him a 16-32 record after 4 years of coaching at the college level....
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 20, 2018, 06:17:11 pm
Oh good you have the same game plan a Morris..
Morris started in the outside. Iím starting inside. And if I say Iím going fast we are going fast.

Nobody knows what Morris is doing. And right now he hasnít shown that he even knows. Except on getting some good recruits

And my pressers would be epic. I like this site but we have to tone it down. Better have that 5 second delay beep on stand by.
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Post by: sportsguy80 on November 21, 2018, 09:24:50 am
Just had a moment to think back when we were competing at the highest level. I came up with the 2011 season (11-2, 6-2) under who...you guessed it Bobby P. I remembered when we hired him, I was thinking man weíre gonna look like a totally different program due to his coaching philosophy which mostly consisted of (outscoring opponents with a high octane offense). On paper Long hired BP but we all knew who had to make it official. With that, Petrino requested to things his way (which included other things outside of football that came to light) to make things work. The bonus for us was that we had pretty solid defenses during that time. Iíll even add that his style of offense helped influence Saban to switch things up too.

I also remember hearing the complaints that came from various people including parents, players, and some fans about how harsh he was. Fast forwarding to now, Iíll admit that Petrino didnít inherit a mess like Morris has but he still had some work to do. I just think they went about it in different directions. For example, Petrino wouldnít even thought about going to his sonís game the day before game day because he was that focused on winning his way. On the other hand, Morris is definitely more of a people person and family man (recruiting supports this too) but the big question is he and his coaching philosophy the answer for the state of our football program. Iím really hoping so. Only time will tell.
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Post by: beach bum on November 21, 2018, 12:33:00 pm
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Post by: Jacketman65 on November 21, 2018, 01:39:28 pm
Where has T.J. Hammonds gone?
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Post by: sportsguy80 on November 21, 2018, 01:54:07 pm
Where has T.J. Hammonds gone?
I was wondering the same thing along with the kid from Cabot which I donít remember playing any this year.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 21, 2018, 05:41:49 pm
I had read TJ was hurt and is probably transferring. Other than that Iíve heard nothing about him. Think heís just been in the sidelines. Donít even know if heís played the 4 games so RS. Who knows
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Post by: game on on November 22, 2018, 01:16:32 pm
Are there any players on our roster that are going to help us win games?  I suspect we need lots of new blood and I agree with some who think some of the new blood is going to hve to be in the coaching staff.   I really believe Morris is a little over his right now and the difficulties he is facing he hasn't faced before.  He's been in good programs and was in good high schools, now its' all different and he is trying to tread water. 
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Post by: game on on November 22, 2018, 01:26:20 pm
Morris made some early mistakes and they are haunting him now.  He either listened to the wrong people when he took the job or he grossly over evaluated the talent when he got here, or both.  He also brought with him a staff that was ill equipped to handle what they found. I can appreciated his loyalty to the guys he hired but at this level of football he needs the very best he can get and guys that know how to deal with problems. 
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Post by: gameoflife on November 23, 2018, 02:11:32 pm
Panic throw. 
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Post by: gameoflife on November 23, 2018, 02:26:47 pm
21-0. Looking like another embarrassing game. So just 9 1/2 months until next season.
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on November 23, 2018, 02:31:02 pm
Thank the Lord that we seem decent at basketball and baseball...
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 23, 2018, 02:38:06 pm
So hard to watch
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Post by: beach bum on November 23, 2018, 04:09:49 pm
131 yards of offense through 3 quarters Ö..
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Post by: gameoflife on November 23, 2018, 04:19:49 pm
2-10, worst record in history of the school.  I doubt that most fans thought this would be the case when we hired Morris. We actually have gotten worse over the course of the year.
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Post by: gameoflife on November 23, 2018, 04:23:44 pm
All you can say is "unacceptable".
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Post by: beach bum on November 23, 2018, 04:36:44 pm
2-10, worst record in history of the school.  I doubt that most fans thought this would be the case when we hired Morris. We actually have gotten worse over the course of the year.

Maybe I was being completely naÔve..... And in hindsight I was, but I thought we would go 6-6 or 7-5 this season. I thought we would get all the non conference games, Vandy/Ole Miss at home, then possibly find a way to win another one in there. Boy was I wrong.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 23, 2018, 04:37:32 pm
About to be shutout. The good news is itís almost over
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on November 23, 2018, 04:39:47 pm
Now it's all about the next 9 months of "improving". It's sad to say that 4 wins next season will be a major improvement but it appears to be that way
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 23, 2018, 04:43:10 pm
Maybe I was being completely naÔve..... And in hindsight I was, but I thought we would go 6-6 or 7-5 this season. I thought we would get all the non conference games, Vandy/Ole Miss at home, then possibly find a way to win another one in there. Boy was I wrong.
I figured around 6. And Iíll agree there is a talent deficiency but itís nit 2-10 bad. Especially two losses to non P5 schools.

The more I sit here. Watching this game, Morris on the sideline an just all th little things that we donít do right leads me to believe this ainít the guy. But heís here and Iíll hope he proves me wrong.

Iíll hope for 4 wins next year
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 23, 2018, 05:27:32 pm
And a lot of folks still thinking Bryant is gonna come in a make this a bowl team. With the OL the way it is. Good luck with that.

Morris should be looking for on OL coaxh and possibly an OC
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 23, 2018, 06:12:14 pm
Program is really in bad shape. The talent level is obviously down but more than that there is not much motivation and the new staff has struggled to get the team to show improvement and do get them to play in a disciplined manner.  The likelihood of a 2-10 season is daunting and now the question must be answered, is the new head coach and staff capable of turning Arkansas football around?  I think the fan base is split right now with whether or not we have the right coach in place.  It's a given that Coach Morris stepped into a mess but right now it appears the problems are getting worse and he is having difficulty getting any improvement to stick. The program was bad when he took over but it appears to have gotten worse.  The improvement we need to see is in wins and losses. Next season his new recruits will have a huge task coming in and getting some real improvement made.  Last year Arkansas won 4 games under a guy we fired, we will probably win only 2 under the guy hired to fix it.  Next season we need a big jump in not just wins but some wins against a few more of the quality teams on this list.  Portland State,  Colorado State, San Jose State,  all should be easy home victories to give the home crowd, (which has to be revived after this season and the terrible attendance) at least 3 wins and some encouragement.  Ole Miss in game two will be an opportunity for a road win, not easy but possible.  Hog fans could see  4 wins before the schedule begins to toughen up.  At that point we might possibly suffer 5 straight losses, A&M, KY, Auburn, Alabama, Miss ST., followed by Western KY that should be another victory.  Close out the season with LSU and Missouri may be two losses but certainly depends on how much real progress the team can make.  Should be 4 wins if we don't get a win over Ole Miss,  5 victories if we beat Ole Miss.  So with competent play and coaching and a few breaks we need to come up with one more win to get bowl eligible. 
The number grows to 6 if we can beat KY which is sort of one dimensional and not likely to be as strong next season.
Date   Opponent
Aug. 31   Portland State
Sept. 7   at Ole Miss
Sept. 14   Colorado State
Sept. 21   San Jose State
Sept. 28   vs. Texas A&M (Arlington)
Oct. 12   at Kentucky
Oct. 19   Auburn
Oct. 26   at Alabama
Nov. 2   Mississippi State
Nov. 9   Western Kentucky
Nov. 23   at LSU
Nov. 30   Missouri (Little Rock)
Next season looks to be much like this season.  With another year of some soft opponents at home there will be opportunities for improvement that translate into wins.  We should be better in the new coaches second season and with new players signed we should see some more wins.  I'd say anything less than 4 is an absolute disaster with 4 being sort of a minimum.  Getting to 6 wins would be a big boost for fans because of the opportunity to get to a bowl game.  More wins and that would be a mark of improvement for sure and an indication that Morris is on the right road.  Maybe not the fast lane but at least pulling onto the hi-way.  Less than 6 wins and it will be better than this year but a disappointment none the less. 
 
I don't think we were 2-10 bad as far as talent.  Lots of things go into wins, talent, scheme, effort, coaching, motivation, and more.  I saw the deer in the headlight look in Morris' eyes a few too many times during the season to think things are going along fine.  I'm sure he will be here next year and maybe even for at least two years.  I think he needs some help on his staff.
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on November 23, 2018, 06:46:39 pm
I think bringing Craddock in instantly was a bad idea... He's only been coaching for like 3 years in the American and throwing him into the SEC with the players that are there doesn't help. I think he should have stayed at SMU until Morris gets more of his guys in
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Post by: RZback on November 24, 2018, 03:24:51 pm
I think bringing Craddock in instantly was a bad idea... He's only been coaching for like 3 years in the American and throwing him into the SEC with the players that are there doesn't help. I think he should have stayed at SMU until Morris gets more of his guys in

Agreed, at least as the OC.  Surely he would have come to be a receiver coach for a while.  Of course, Morris only has 3 years HC experience in college ball and that was at SMU.  I think he brought several of his staff from there.
When you look at the staff, very young and not much experience as on the field position coaches at the college level particularly on the offensive side of the ball.  More age and experience on defense, maybe because Chavis brought some of his picks with him. 
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Post by: game on on November 24, 2018, 04:40:07 pm
Recruiting talent will help but I agree youth and inexperience may be part of the problem at the competitive level they are now playing.
With a large part of the key position coaches on offense with little coaching experience there is a serious lack of college experience, and coaching experience for an SEC school.
I saw some posts questioning decision making by Morris, I think this is just another case of poor decisions
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Post by: game on on November 25, 2018, 03:11:34 pm
So here we go again.  Another fresh start.
Lot of things to watch closely in the next few months.  Recruiting of course is huge, also transfers both in and out.  The more that leave the more we can bring in and that is critical.  I'd also say will there be any changes in staff.  We got worse not better with time.  Will the discipline in the team improve.  That may not show up for a while, maybe not until next fall before we know for sure.
I think its also important to have high expectations and not to settle for moral victories or "playing better"  we need to see wins.  Winning fixes most things.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 25, 2018, 04:31:37 pm
No matter how many leave. 29 is the number we can bring in. 25 to count to this year and 4 to count back to last year.

63 returning players so 22 open spots. So we have a few still to go to free up those 7 slots. Not sure how many we have already announce that they are transferring and not sure how some of the retirements and medical stuff counts against that number.
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Post by: Valleysports on November 26, 2018, 10:08:01 am
Arkansas got a whole lot of positive recognition in the LSU - A&M game.  Until that game Arkansas had been in the first and second highest scoring games? And won.. Lol
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Post by: game on on November 26, 2018, 12:10:49 pm
I don't think anyone is looking at Arkansas' offense and thinking it was having a good year, in fact they got worse.  I will give you a point of two, in that every team makes a few positive plays along the way.  What really matters is the ability to put a game together and Hogs were not able to do that. 
For Arkansas to get good people are going to have to expect much better and hold the team and coaches accountable for delivering a much better product.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 26, 2018, 01:26:56 pm
Arkansas got a whole lot of positive recognition in the LSU - A&M game.  Until that game Arkansas had been in the first and second highest scoring games? And won.. Lol
Iíve now watched 3 of the 5 longest games in NCAA history. The two Hogs games and this one. Some great games but Iím not sure how positive it was. Basically just some dates and names on the tv.

Only positive that may come is Morris landing this class I guess. Other than that itís on to basketball
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Post by: game on on November 26, 2018, 03:05:33 pm
This class is an improvement but we have to get signees. I'm sure most if not all will sign.  However, we still sit at #16 nationally and #7 in SEC so getting to the top may not happen for a while if at all
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 26, 2018, 08:13:26 pm
There isnít a lot of difference between say 5 and 20 in rankings. If itís done a a consistent basis.

Have to get a few good ones in a row, hope most of them hit and or develop. Once that depth is built up then of course itís coaching. And no matter how good you are you gotta have some breaks.

You know like. Instead of a game ending interception your QB was actual down and then your able to extend the game
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Post by: Valleysports on November 28, 2018, 12:57:37 pm
This class is an improvement but we have to get signees. I'm sure most if not all will sign.  However, we still sit at #16 nationally and #7 in SEC so getting to the top may not happen for a while if at all

It's crazy that all seven SEC West teams are ranked Top 20, 2019 recruit  class.  And 3 are in the Top 5.  The SEC is the preferred conference of college recruits.  Why?  When is the SEC National Championship anyway? 
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Post by: game on on November 28, 2018, 01:18:26 pm
SEC is the best conference in America and you can largely thank Alabama for that.  We have to win the games we should, the 4 weak sister non conference games, and at least 2 or 3 games against the weaker conference members, and then upset a couple of upper tier teams in conference.  That gets us to 8 or 9 a year.  That's harder than it seems but thats the only way to get it done.  We are a long way before getting there.
My concern as I have stated before is did we get the right HC, did he hire the best staff he could and how good of coaches are they as a group.
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Post by: Valleysports on November 28, 2018, 01:47:10 pm
Well I went to looking at the recruiting and saw something about the  team I use as a future measuring tool.  lol  Red shirts!  I was wondering how this 4 game rule was going to workout.  13 of the 2018 class, including all 4 offensive linemen.  How did Arkansas make out on this new rule?  Maybe Morris held out Play Makers to go with his recruits?
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Post by: game on on November 28, 2018, 01:57:16 pm
If he did we need to fire him today.  Having to endure the season we just did should not happen because he would rather lose so he could build for a possibility to do better next year.
I'm looking to signing day and see how we stand.  In particular I'm looking for a QB.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on November 28, 2018, 03:53:32 pm
If he did we need to fire him today.  Having to endure the season we just did should not happen because he would rather lose so he could build for a possibility to do better next year.
I'm looking to signing day and see how we stand.  In particular I'm looking for a QB.

I don't think he had any Play Makers to hold out.
Anybody know why Cole Kelly didn't make the last couple of games?  Is he planning on leaving?
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on November 28, 2018, 04:18:25 pm
I don't think he had any Play Makers to hold out.
Anybody know why Cole Kelly didn't make the last couple of games?  Is he planning on leaving?
I heard Kelley and Hyatt plan on leaving but don't wanna make a big hubub by putting it out publicly
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Post by: AirWarren on November 28, 2018, 04:56:57 pm
Need about 9 to leave.
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Post by: game on on November 28, 2018, 10:27:15 pm
I heard Kelley and Hyatt plan on leaving but don't wanna make a big hubub by putting it out publicly

If true they knew they were done as far as playing time.  Kelley not a great loss, I think he burned his bridges all season long.  Don't really know much about Hyatt except he wasn't going to play either.
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on November 29, 2018, 08:15:57 pm
And now it's official that Maleek Williams is transferring. Shame because I saw a lot in him but probably best for him because he would stay buried on the depth chart
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Post by: bdubyab60 on November 29, 2018, 09:03:19 pm
Read he had blocking issues. But still a shocker he didnít get more carries with the injuries we had
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Post by: beach bum on December 04, 2018, 06:58:38 pm
Kelley Bryant to Mizzou Ö.. Honesty if his goal was to get to the NFL he made the right choice.
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Post by: game on on December 04, 2018, 08:20:06 pm
It's really not surprising.  Mizzou is in better shape than UA for next year and I'm sure he is looking at the best season he can get.  Besides that you are seeing UA players leave and from the outside that may be alarming if you are thinking about coming in. 
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Post by: beach bum on December 04, 2018, 09:38:46 pm
I got on the Pig Trail Nation social media page and went to the post about Bryant.... I must say I now have a great appreciation honestly for the people who post on this site. As much as we banter back and forth sometimes I have to say at least 95% of the people on here have a functioning brain and some smarts. The people on that page and their comments will make you question if we have the most ignorant fan base in the country. It was appalling the ignorant things being said on there and the obvious lack of knowing anything about football. At least here I am talking to civilized human beings.
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Post by: game on on December 05, 2018, 11:20:44 am
I got on the Pig Trail Nation social media page and went to the post about Bryant.... I must say I now have a great appreciation honestly for the people who post on this site. As much as we banter back and forth sometimes I have to say at least 95% of the people on here have a functioning brain and some smarts. The people on that page and their comments will make you question if we have the most ignorant fan base in the country. It was appalling the ignorant things being said on there and the obvious lack of knowing anything about football. At least here I am talking to civilized human beings.

Maybe this will help a few of those folks? 
 civ∑i∑lize
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verb
past tense: civilized; past participle: civilized
bring (a place or people) to a stage of social, cultural, and moral development considered to be more advanced.
"a civilized society"
synonyms:   enlighten, edify, improve, educate, instruct, refine, cultivate, polish, socialize, humanize
"they were trying to civilize people who strongly resented the intrusion"
polite and well-mannered.
adjective: civilized; adjective: civilised
"such an affront to civilized behavior will no longer be tolerated"
synonyms:   polite, courteous, well mannered, civil, gentlemanly, ladylike, mannerly; More
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Post by: AirWarren on December 05, 2018, 12:20:30 pm
Kelley Bryant to Mizzou Ö.. Honesty if his goal was to get to the NFL he made the right choice.

A blind man with no hearing could have predicted this.
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Post by: game on on December 05, 2018, 01:34:19 pm
So no KB, who is next years likely QB?  This years starter or do you go with youth?  Do you go recruit a juco guy?  We need a guy who can make plays with his arm, his feet and his ability to run the offense.  If we don't have that we need to run some other system.
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Post by: AirWarren on December 05, 2018, 01:41:22 pm
So no KB, who is next years likely QB?  This years starter or do you go with youth?  Do you go recruit a juco guy?  We need a guy who can make plays with his arm, his feet and his ability to run the offense.  If we don't have that we need to run some other system.

1. Try to land a grad transfer.
2. Dramatic and lengthy QB battle between Jefferson, Noland and Storey.

I believe thatís what it comes down to.
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Post by: game on on December 05, 2018, 01:44:58 pm
1. Try to land a grad transfer.
2. Dramatic and lengthy QB battle between Jefferson, Noland and Storey.

I believe thatís what it comes down to.

Right now that is what it is looking like.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 05, 2018, 08:42:32 pm
Will be some more options after bowl season, maybe.

With a decommit and this Iím hoping for an OL, RB or a LB flip from someone else.

Even if KB had come my expectations were still fairly low for next year.
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Post by: RZback on December 06, 2018, 11:13:16 am
I've not noticed any big time OL guys as potential signees.  Have I just missed them?
What is the early signing date and who do we think we are getting then?
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Post by: WPWells on December 06, 2018, 12:13:41 pm
I heard a rumor that Mason Fine from North Texas (who torched us) might be looking to transfer.
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Post by: AirWarren on December 06, 2018, 01:40:15 pm
I heard a rumor that Mason Fine from North Texas (who torched us) might be looking to transfer.

It's been circulated around on HV. So has a kid from Texas, Arizona, the kid at Alabama, a kid at OSU, Fine, and some other kid.

If's its on HV or social media, I easily assume it's a hot garbage rumor. Much like the speculation the few days before that considered Bryant an Arkansas lock because of a social media "post".

Ill believe it the moment it is released as official from the athletic department.
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on December 06, 2018, 04:52:51 pm
Now Chevin Calloway is transferring to be closer to home... His case was unfortunate because he was gonna be a big part of the defense's evolution
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Post by: AirWarren on December 06, 2018, 06:14:42 pm
Now Chevin Calloway is transferring to be closer to home... His case was unfortunate because he was gonna be a big part of the defense's evolution

Yeah, that guy was never rejoining the Razorbacks. I think pretty much everyone saw the writing on the wall.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 06, 2018, 07:58:35 pm
I never expected him back when he stepped away during the season. We need the space Iíd rhey are signing 29. Youíll always have some decommits as well.

I donít know who all is out there but we guys that can come in and be impact players sooner than later. Or this will for sure be another long year coming. May be any
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Post by: Valleysports on December 06, 2018, 09:43:17 pm
I doubt any Arkansas Recruits flip, the big boys are looking to finish off their last few spots with play makers.
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Post by: WPWells on December 07, 2018, 08:02:18 am
Another 4-star receiver is going to be a Hog! That's the fourth 4-star receiver to go along with a 5-star TE. Now if we just have someone who can get them the ball...
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Post by: AirWarren on December 07, 2018, 08:37:06 am
Another 4-star receiver is going to be a Hog! That's the fourth 4-star receiver to go along with a 5-star TE. Now if we just have someone who can get them the ball...

Who is this commit?
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on December 07, 2018, 01:20:31 pm
Who is this commit?
I think he might be talking about TQ Jackson having his rating raised
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 07, 2018, 01:59:18 pm
I doubt any Arkansas Recruits flip, the big boys are looking to finish off their last few spots with play makers.
Im talking Morris flipping someone. Yes doubtful
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Post by: Valleysports on December 07, 2018, 02:20:50 pm
Another 4-star receiver is going to be a Hog! That's the fourth 4-star receiver to go along with a 5-star TE. Now if we just have someone who can get them the ball...

So 5, of the 7 four star recruits, are receivers?  Boy Howdy that ought to do it..  Well we might do just as good with a 4 star receiver, at tackle, as we've been doing with Beilema Recruits..
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Post by: RZback on December 07, 2018, 08:39:56 pm
Sounds like receivers are on board, who will get them the ball?  More importantly who is going to block?   What do the OL recruits look like for next season?
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Post by: beach bum on December 07, 2018, 08:55:40 pm
So 5, of the 7 four star recruits, are receivers?  Boy Howdy that ought to do it..  Well we might do just as good with a 4 star receiver, at tackle, as we've been doing with Beilema Recruits..

Honestly there is some merit to what you are saying that in my opinion sent Arkansas O Line and defense into a spiral starting back to the Petrino days and we never recovered. Does anyone remember when Bobby Petrino started having absurd amounts of WR's on scholarship towards the end of things. Yea we had some unreal WR's in his time here. I am talking special WR's during that stretch who fueled the winning. However, he recruited so many that it left the cupboard empty in the trenches and other positions. There has to be balance in the recruiting and we aren't doing that. Only skill guys on the outside.

The majority of the recruits we are getting are outside skill guys on both sides of the ball. That is not going to do it long term, and makes me question Chad Morris. I think he is so full of himself and his offense that he thinks he is just going to eventually start outscoring people 52-49..... I am sorry it does not work that way in the SEC. This is not the Big 12. He is recruiting as if we play in the Big 12. Is he telling us something we don't know that we are moving there or what? Cause I don't care how many 4 star DB's and WR's we get. SEC games are won in the trenches. Heck, Mississippi State is a flat out average team at most positions the last couple years and won games cause they have depth at D Line to keep them in games. Their QB couldn't  even throw and their line on both sides keeps them in games though.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 08, 2018, 04:01:01 pm
Think I counted 9 DL in this class so far
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Post by: Valleysports on December 10, 2018, 08:12:59 am
Think I counted 9 DL in this class so far

The biggest problem, as far as Arkansas gaining ground in conference, is that the SEC West is just rediculous in recruiting.  When we start getting recruits, other SEC West Teams are interested in, then we'll be in the mix.  Arkansas has quite a few small town stars, makes me nervous..  Big News: y'all do have an OT from my Alumn (Tyler, Lee), might just help me say "We" instead of "Y'all" - LOL.
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Post by: nuttinbuthogs on December 10, 2018, 11:26:25 am
It's not just the number of recruits at OL/DL it's the quality of those recruits.  I hear we aren't getting the quality that we need.
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 10, 2018, 06:08:11 pm
The DL guys are mostly 3* I believe but some are close to 4*. Hopefully some of them are better than their grade. Much need depth though.

The OL that Iíve looked at though truthfully leaves much to be desired. Hopefully next class Morris dedicates to getting some OL
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 10, 2018, 06:09:38 pm
The biggest problem, as far as Arkansas gaining ground in conference, is that the SEC West is just rediculous in recruiting.  When we start getting recruits, other SEC West Teams are interested in, then we'll be in the mix.  Arkansas has quite a few small town stars, makes me nervous..  Big News: y'all do have an OT from my Alumn (Tyler, Lee), might just help me say "We" instead of "Y'all" - LOL.
Its uphill for sure. But hey look at this receiver core coming in
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Post by: RZback on December 10, 2018, 06:19:00 pm
Its uphill for sure. But hey look at this receiver core coming in

That's true.  All we need now is a QB, OL and a defense that can stop the other team.
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Post by: PokeyRedskinStudentScout on December 11, 2018, 06:06:26 pm
Myron Cunningham committed today... Good looking tackle who will start right away. Chibueze Nwanna might be next which would be huge for us next year
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 11, 2018, 09:48:20 pm
Good pick up. Had OU after him hard as well. Get the trenches shored up
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Post by: Valleysports on December 12, 2018, 07:32:25 am
Chibueze Nwanna might be next which would be huge for us next year

My prediction is he won't help the 2018 season one bit AND Arkansas will go 2-10.  This is the Two and TEN thread..  Y'all need like a "Arkansas Razorback Football 2019: The Rebuild" - Thread.
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Post by: footballfan-tastic on December 12, 2018, 09:54:08 am
My prediction is he won't help the 2018 season one bit AND Arkansas will go 2-10.  This is the Two and TEN thread..  Y'all need like a "Arkansas Razorback Football 2019: The Rebuild" - Thread.

Why don't you start that thread Valley.  I agree its needed.
On the topic of the two OL probable signees and other recruits.  According to the HOG recruit list I just looked at not a OL in the bunch is higher than a 3*.   In the SEC we need better.  So unless we picked up some guys that are mis rated we are still in trouble on the OL.  I know this staff seems to love the skill guys but you don't win without the Big Boys.  That is typically the attitude of arrogant coaches.
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Post by: AirWarren on December 12, 2018, 10:10:23 am
Why don't you start that thread Valley.  I agree its needed.
On the topic of the two OL probable signees and other recruits.  According to the HOG recruit list I just looked at not a OL in the bunch is higher than a 3*.   In the SEC we need better.  So unless we picked up some guys that are mis rated we are still in trouble on the OL.  I know this staff seems to love the skill guys but you don't win without the Big Boys.  That is typically the attitude of arrogant coaches.

I've already started it. FYI.

http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=158242.0
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Post by: Valleysports on December 12, 2018, 05:05:23 pm
Haha - Alls I knows is we got some sharp fans right up through here now!   ;D
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Post by: bdubyab60 on December 12, 2018, 06:09:11 pm
Duh
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: gameoflife on December 19, 2018, 09:54:27 am
I think most folks are just waiting for signing day to see where we stand.  Got to get better talent and really have a better plan on the field. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: VHSCoach2 on December 19, 2018, 11:07:06 am
Ongoing list of recruits that have committed to Arkansas on this National Signing Day:

4-Stars:
Mataio Soli, Defensive Lineman, Douglas County HS, Georgia
T.Q. Jackson, Wide Receiver, Jefferson HS, Texas
Ricky Stromberg, Offensive Lineman, Union HS, Oklahoma
Collin Clay, Defensive Lineman, Putnam City HS, Oklahoma
K.J. Jefferson, Quarterback, North Panola HS, Mississippi
Shamar Nash, Wide Receiver, IMG Academy, Florida
Zach Williams, Defensive Lineman, Joe T. Robinson HS, Arkansas
Eric Gregory, Defensive Lineman, IMG Academy, Florida
Zach Zimos, Linebacker, Ft. Bend Travis HS, Texas
Trey Knox, Wide Receiver, Blackman HS, Tennessee

3-Stars:
Myron Cunningham, Offensive Lineman, Iowa Central CC, Iowa
Taurean Carter, Defensive Lineman, Mansfield Legacy HS, Texas
Beaux Limmer, Offensive Lineman, Tyler Lee HS, Texas
Malik Chavis, Defensive Back, Rison HS, Arkansas
Chibueze Nwanna, Offensive Lineman, Lackawanna CC, Pennsylvania
Brady Latham, Offensive Lineman, Jenks HS, Oklahoma
Marcus Miller, Defensive Lineman, Warren HS, Arkansas
Enoch Jackson Jr., Defensive Lineman, Mansfield Legacy HS, Texas
Dylan Rathcke, Offensive Lineman, University Lab HS, Louisiana
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: Romeo on December 19, 2018, 01:56:21 pm
K.J. Jefferson is the cornerstone of this signing class. I used to pay for a premium recruiting subscription until I discovered that Arkansas recruiting was mostly about getting two and three star players and trying to hype them like they're really four and five star players. But this is actually a legit signing class.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on December 19, 2018, 02:49:19 pm
Amazing class we have here Romeo.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: AirWarren on December 19, 2018, 02:57:24 pm
Ongoing list of recruits that have committed to Arkansas on this National Signing Day:

4-Stars:
Mataio Soli, Defensive Lineman, Douglas County HS, Georgia
T.Q. Jackson, Wide Receiver, Jefferson HS, Texas
Ricky Stromberg, Offensive Lineman, Union HS, Oklahoma
Collin Clay, Defensive Lineman, Putnam City HS, Oklahoma
K.J. Jefferson, Quarterback, North Panola HS, Mississippi
Shamar Nash, Wide Receiver, IMG Academy, Florida
Zach Williams, Defensive Lineman, Joe T. Robinson HS, Arkansas
Eric Gregory, Defensive Lineman, IMG Academy, Florida
Zach Zimos, Linebacker, Ft. Bend Travis HS, Texas
Trey Knox, Wide Receiver, Blackman HS, Tennessee

3-Stars:
Myron Cunningham, Offensive Lineman, Iowa Central CC, Iowa
Taurean Carter, Defensive Lineman, Mansfield Legacy HS, Texas
Beaux Limmer, Offensive Lineman, Tyler Lee HS, Texas
Malik Chavis, Defensive Back, Rison HS, Arkansas
Chibueze Nwanna, Offensive Lineman, Lackawanna CC, Pennsylvania
Brady Latham, Offensive Lineman, Jenks HS, Oklahoma
Marcus Miller, Defensive Lineman, Warren HS, Arkansas
Enoch Jackson Jr., Defensive Lineman, Mansfield Legacy HS, Texas
Dylan Rathcke, Offensive Lineman, University Lab HS, Louisiana

11 total 4 star recruits. With the addition to MSU flip Gregory Brooks.

Huge get.
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: game on on December 19, 2018, 03:13:15 pm
So who's rating of our class do we go by.  I saw us at 11 and I saw us at 17.  Also at #7 in the west I think.  Also we have one 4* OL.  That OL recruiting just will not cut it in the SEC. 
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: RZback on December 31, 2018, 09:28:50 am
I'm just ready for spring ball to get going so we can see what we have!
Title: Re: 2018 Outlook: The Frest Start......again.
Post by: game on on January 03, 2019, 04:24:32 pm
Two important dates this year, signing day and first day of spring ball.